(kinda hot) female Governor of Baja California gives birth...in Brawley CA

[Gil Bang 25,898]

Baja California Governor Criticized For Giving Birth in U.S.

Governor Marina del Pilar Avila Olmeda had a child in Brawley, CA recently ensuring birthright citizenship

By Evan Symon, January 18, 2022 11:41 am

Marina del Pilar Avila Olmeda, the Governor of the U.S. bordering Mexican state of Baja California, announced this week that she gave birth at a hospital in California, receiving criticism from Mexicans and Americans alike.

Born in 1985, Avila Olmeda has been one of the rising political stars in Mexico. At the age of 31 in 2018, she was elected to be Deputy of Baja California, the closest equivalent in Mexican Government to being a Congressional Representative in America. There, she served only six months before resigning to run for Municipal President, or Mayor, of Mexicali, which she won in October 2019. She proceeded to serve for two years before running again in 2021, this time for Governor of Baja California. At the age of 35, she won, becoming the first woman and one of the youngest people ever to be Governor of the Mexican state.

However, despite her quick climb, she has also been heavily criticized for many issues, including cancelling numerous public works projects, and the controversial ways she reduced crime during her time as the Municipal President of Mexicali.

One of her biggest controversies has been having children across the border in California. During several of her earlier runs, a big issue was giving birth to her daughter in a Brawley, California hospital in 2016. The process, known as birthright citizenship, has largely been a backdoor for immigration for decades, with many allowed to stay in the U.S. as a result of their baby receiving U.S. citizenship. While in the U.S. the process is often lambasted as an easy way for illegal immigrants to stay once in. However, in Mexico, it’s often seen as an elitist move, with many wealthy Mexicans having a child in the U.S. to give them a leg-up as a citizen, often to make traveling and getting into higher education easier rather than just coming in as a Mexican immigrant.

Criticism from US, Mexico

The confirmation of the birth of her son, Diego Jose Torres Avila, was met with the same criticism this week from citizens of both countries.

“It’s not well regarded in Mexico believe it or not,” said Maria Diaz, an immigration paperwork specialist in Tijuana. “Poorer families do it as a way to get around the paperwork, with a lot of Mexicans tied up for years and waiting, seeing it as cheating the system. It’s desperation for them.”

“But when wealthier people do it, it’s almost entirely for the reason of giving them a head start in life. You don’t need visas to get to good colleges in California with U.S. citizenship, and they can afford the dual taxes. If anything, we see this as benefiting the U.S. because of all the money wealthier Mexicans and their children put back into the U.S. rather than  in Mexico.”

“What Avila Olmeda did, that is seen as ultra-elitist. She can try and claim the hospitals are better or there is less crime in California, but we all know the real reason.”

Americans were similarly outraged about the issue.

“Birthright citizenship for rich people,” said Charles Carpenter, an immigration advocate, to the Globe on Tuesday. “It’s bad enough this still happens in such large numbers, but at least with illegal immigrants they have  valid reasons of wanting to come to California. Some people may not like them, but they are reasons.  Avila Olmeda did this solely so her kids could have dual citizenship. That’s it.”

“Unfortunately she isn’t the first or last powerful Mexican to do this.”

As of Tuesday, Avila Olmeda has not responded to the criticism of her actions. The incident is expected to be a damaging issue on her next run for public office.

[MC Fresh Breath 4,074]

There is nothing remotely hot about child birth.

 

[Zepol87 9,171]

I I used to bang this pregnant chick when I was living in Monterrey, one weekend she went to McAllen and came back not pregnant and with no baby. Almost hits close to home

 

[TwiceHorn 31,283]

Regardless of what else happens with immigration, birthright citizenship is just perverse.  It needs to go away.

[bolverk 29,400]

9 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Regardless of what else happens with immigration, birthright citizenship is just perverse.  It needs to go away.

It's a pretty interesting deal that's largely unique to Western Hemisphere countries - all of which are former colonies comprised of mixed immigrant populations.

Countries by jus soli   Jus soli for persons born in the country   Jus soli with restrictions   Jus soli abolished

Edited January 19, 2022 by bolverk
more recent and accurate map

[Hornius Emeritus 12,420]

I was very nearly born in France. If you think I am insufferable now, can you imagine me as a Frenchman?

[bolverk 29,400]

16 minutes ago, Hornius Emeritus said:

I was very nearly born in France. If you think I am insufferable now, can you imagine me as a Frenchman?

I envision lots of b&w photos of fields of lavender, castle ruins, little men in berets with baguettes under arm, bordello whores, and alpine landscapes.

[Surly Bevo 24,696]

I I used to bang this pregnant chick when I was living in Monterrey, one weekend she went to McAllen and came back not pregnant and with no baby. Almost hits close to home
 

So once more into the breach or nah?

[Surly Bevo 24,696]

I I used to bang this pregnant chick when I was living in Monterrey, one weekend she went to McAllen and came back not pregnant and with no baby. Almost hits close to home
 

So once more into the breach or nah?

[Captainant 27,464]

39 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Regardless of what else happens with immigration, birthright citizenship is just perverse.  It needs to go away.

IMO, in the current political climate I can only imagine the lengths republicans would go to to strip citizenship of black and brown children to further shore up their perversion of democracy. I don't disagree with you in principle because it certainly is abused to hell and back, but fuck man, that won't end nicely.

[TwiceHorn 31,283]

31 minutes ago, Captainant said:

IMO, in the current political climate I can only imagine the lengths republicans would go to to strip citizenship of black and brown children to further shore up their perversion of democracy. I don't disagree with you in principle because it certainly is abused to hell and back, but fuck man, that won't end nicely.

I'm not even necessarily taking the abusive results into account.  

Citizenship simply by being born in the territory is a weird concept.  Maybe not if you're trying to populate a country or something, but it's just strange.

[tx 3 putt 76,395]

1 hour ago, TwiceHorn said:

Regardless of what else happens with immigration, birthright citizenship is just perverse.  It needs to go away.

 

no reason to change it. it would only create a class of non citizens. that's not a good thing 

Edited January 19, 2022 by tx 3 putt

[bluto 4,894]

Plus it would possibly cause us to lose one of my favorite fear porn words… anchor-baby. 

[bolverk 29,400]

22 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

I'm not even necessarily taking the abusive results into account.  

Citizenship simply by being born in the territory is a weird concept.  Maybe not if you're trying to populate a country or something, but it's just strange.

I think you're correct in that it was meant to help populate the Western Hemisphere, but I haven't read fully up on the full history (aside from wanting to ensure former slaves were granted full citizenship in the US).

In the Old World, the concept of citizenship is more tribal through jus sanguinis (right of blood) which implies being a part of the in-group, which would largely be defined by one's ethnicity traditionally. When they say they are French, German, Italian, or Spanish, there's a lot of historical baggage that comes with that claim.

In the New World, it's more "hey, you were born here? Cool, you're one of us!" So, the origins of the two systems carry deep connotations.

Looking at the map above, you can see that the UK and France have a mixed system, but that has more to do with integrating people from former colonies.

It's an interesting topic, both philosophically and politically, to think about but I'm pretty sure we'd have to pass some Constitutional ammendment to alter it here at home so not really all that practical to change. And, boy would it get ugly with accusations of xenophobia and racism, given the uproar of the Trump administration talking about doing away with it.

 

[washparkhorn 9,935]

Brawley is a hellhole. VIPs should be headed to La Jolla. 

[tx 3 putt 76,395]

10 minutes ago, washparkhorn said:

Brawley is a hellhole. VIPs should be headed to La Jolla. 

 

conveniently close to Mexicali !

[washparkhorn 9,935]

Can’t we just annex Baja under eminent domain?

[Blotto 23,434]

This pic will be the source of a lot of conflicting emotions within the GQP.

[tx 3 putt 76,395]

13 minutes ago, washparkhorn said:

Can’t we just annex Baja under eminent domain?

 

the US missed the boat, back in the day, not buying baja

[Gil Bang 25,898]

26 minutes ago, washparkhorn said:

Brawley is a hellhole. VIPs should be headed to La Jolla. 

Meh.  It's a desert farmtown.  Probably looks like a lot of Texas farmtowns.  Got a John Deere dealership, a Ford dealer, some good restaurants, some bad restaurants, and so on.  And it's a stone's throw from the border.  

[956 Worldwide 34,444]

3 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

I'm not even necessarily taking the abusive results into account.  

Citizenship simply by being born in the territory is a weird concept.  Maybe not if you're trying to populate a country or something, but it's just strange.

In the United States the concept is inextricably tied to the legacy of slavery.  It was the only way to realistically extend citizenship to people who had been freed, but to whom Dred Scott expressly denied citizenship when the fourteenth amendment was codified. And birth tourism would have been a befuddling concept unforeseen in the 1860s.  

[Guest]

Don't you have to pay taxes on worldwide income if a U.S. citizen? So if that kid grows up in Mexico, never lives in the United States, he still has to pay U.S. taxes now, right?

[ouflak 60]

30 minutes ago, FirstTimeCaller said:

Don't you have to pay taxes on worldwide income if a U.S. citizen? So if that kid grows up in Mexico, never lives in the United States, he still has to pay U.S. taxes now, right?

Yeah that was mentioned in the article. For the rich, despite that taxation policy (now THAT is a truly awkward policy), it's still worth it.

[Pescado_Rojo 19,331]

36 minutes ago, FirstTimeCaller said:

Don't you have to pay taxes on worldwide income if a U.S. citizen? So if that kid grows up in Mexico, never lives in the United States, he still has to pay U.S. taxes now, right?

I have a buddy with dual citizenship that hasn't lived in the US in 30 years. I asked him about this a while back (maybe 15 years ago) and he said if you can show the IRS that you have no physical property in the US, no money in US financial institutions, and earn no income from US companies, you don't have to pay US taxes. 

 

[956 Worldwide 34,444]

21 minutes ago, Pescado_Rojo said:

I have a buddy with dual citizenship that hasn't lived in the US in 30 years. I asked him about this a while back (maybe 15 years ago) and he said if you can show the IRS that you have no physical property in the US, no money in US financial institutions, and earn no income from US companies, you don't have to pay US taxes. 

 

He is mistaken.  You are taxed worldwide on your income and you are supposed to file. You get a foreign income exclusion of up to about 105K or so, and you can also claim a foreign income tax credit for any tax you pay to a foreign government and there are some other deductions and credits.  

[MaybeACoordinator 8,349]

Uncle Sam taxed my British tax refund check.

[Nice Guy Eddie 13,414]

The US has pretty much turned a blind eye to rich foreigners doing pretty much whatever they want.  They would be viewed as the "good ones" by some.

[Capt. Squints 176]

11 hours ago, Zepol87 said:

I I used to bang this pregnant chick when I was living in Monterrey, one weekend she went to McAllen and came back not pregnant and with no baby. Almost hits close to home

 

I'm not sure that is something I would brag about or be proud of. But that's just like my opinion, man.

[Brisketexan 104,628]

A friend of ours gave premature birth while on a family trip to Cabo.  Big deal, learjet medevac of preemie, the whole deal.  Funny part is that Mexico has birthright citizenship.  So, her blonde blue-eyed son (one of my daughter's peers growing up) was a Mexican by law.  On one of his early birthdays, his family cleared things up, got his US papers all set out etc., so it was a combo birthday party and "you're an American now!" party.  Worth a chuckle.

Also, my dad's mom was a dual citizen.  She made sure that she was in the US (in her hometown) when it came time to give birth to my dad.  I'm sure there were multiple reasons, among them being that the "hospital" in the mexican town they lived in was probably an adobe outbuiliding at the time.

[The Dog 43,807]

11 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

Regardless of what else happens with immigration, birthright citizenship is just perverse.  It needs to go away.

Disagree. The number of people who take advantage of the "law of the soil" like this chick did isn't enough to be a policy concern. And if it didn't exist then you could argue that none of us are US citizens as all of us (other than the Native Americans) trace our roots to somewhere else. I'm obviously taking this to the extreme but having liberal citizenship eligibility has been a major asset to our country. 

Couple of other things about US policy in this matter:

1. The US also recognizes "law of the blood" which means if any parent is eligible for US citizenship then their children are also eligible. 

2. The US also does NOT recognize "dual nationals/dual citizenship". The passport you travel on is your citizenship regardless of whether you carry 2 or however many passports.

Now the most important question - does young Diego have any soccer ambitions and if so can we get him to turn his back on El Tri?

 

[Blotto 23,434]

40 minutes ago, The Dog said:

Disagree. The number of people who take advantage of the "law of the soil" like this chick did isn't enough to be a policy concern. And if it didn't exist then you could argue that none of us are US citizens as all of us (other than the Native Americans) trace our roots to somewhere else. I'm obviously taking this to the extreme but having liberal citizenship eligibility has been a major asset to our country. 

Exactly. Over the history of our country, we have realized more benefit than harm from this policy. I'll wager that her kid is more likely to contribute positively to the US than any of these stupid fucks.

[Pescado_Rojo 19,331]

1 hour ago, 956 Worldwide said:

He is mistaken.  You are taxed worldwide on your income and you are supposed to file. You get a foreign income exclusion of up to about 105K or so, and you can also claim a foreign income tax credit for any tax you pay to a foreign government and there are some other deductions and credits.  

Not surprising. He's a ner-do-well artist type. He probably pulled that out of his ass because it sounded good when he was stoned. He has dual US / Cayman Islands citizenship because his dad was Caymanian. He travels on his CI passport, and hasn't lived in the US since he graduated high school. I don't think he's even set foot in the US since his mom died in 2002. I don't think he's ever planning on moving back here so he's probably not too worried about it. He's moved around some commonwealth countries over the years...places where his CI citizenship qualifies him for visas or work permits. I seriously doubt he's ever made enough money to owe anything to the IRS. 

[RDCanecutter 26,281]

12 hours ago, Hornius Emeritus said:

I was very nearly born in France. If you think I am insufferable now, can you imagine me as a Frenchman?

Mon Dieu.

[RDCanecutter 26,281]

13 hours ago, Gil Bang said:

Baja California Governor Criticized For Giving Birth in U.S.

Governor Marina del Pilar Avila Olmeda had a child in Brawley, CA recently ensuring birthright citizenship

By Evan Symon, January 18, 2022 11:41 am

Marina del Pilar Avila Olmeda, the Governor of the U.S. bordering Mexican state of Baja California, announced this week that she gave birth at a hospital in California, receiving criticism from Mexicans and Americans alike.

Born in 1985, Avila Olmeda has been one of the rising political stars in Mexico. At the age of 31 in 2018, she was elected to be Deputy of Baja California, the closest equivalent in Mexican Government to being a Congressional Representative in America. There, she served only six months before resigning to run for Municipal President, or Mayor, of Mexicali, which she won in October 2019. She proceeded to serve for two years before running again in 2021, this time for Governor of Baja California. At the age of 35, she won, becoming the first woman and one of the youngest people ever to be Governor of the Mexican state.

However, despite her quick climb, she has also been heavily criticized for many issues, including cancelling numerous public works projects, and the controversial ways she reduced crime during her time as the Municipal President of Mexicali.

One of her biggest controversies has been having children across the border in California. During several of her earlier runs, a big issue was giving birth to her daughter in a Brawley, California hospital in 2016. The process, known as birthright citizenship, has largely been a backdoor for immigration for decades, with many allowed to stay in the U.S. as a result of their baby receiving U.S. citizenship. While in the U.S. the process is often lambasted as an easy way for illegal immigrants to stay once in. However, in Mexico, it’s often seen as an elitist move, with many wealthy Mexicans having a child in the U.S. to give them a leg-up as a citizen, often to make traveling and getting into higher education easier rather than just coming in as a Mexican immigrant.

Criticism from US, Mexico

The confirmation of the birth of her son, Diego Jose Torres Avila, was met with the same criticism this week from citizens of both countries.

“It’s not well regarded in Mexico believe it or not,” said Maria Diaz, an immigration paperwork specialist in Tijuana. “Poorer families do it as a way to get around the paperwork, with a lot of Mexicans tied up for years and waiting, seeing it as cheating the system. It’s desperation for them.”

“But when wealthier people do it, it’s almost entirely for the reason of giving them a head start in life. You don’t need visas to get to good colleges in California with U.S. citizenship, and they can afford the dual taxes. If anything, we see this as benefiting the U.S. because of all the money wealthier Mexicans and their children put back into the U.S. rather than  in Mexico.”

“What Avila Olmeda did, that is seen as ultra-elitist. She can try and claim the hospitals are better or there is less crime in California, but we all know the real reason.”

Americans were similarly outraged about the issue.

“Birthright citizenship for rich people,” said Charles Carpenter, an immigration advocate, to the Globe on Tuesday. “It’s bad enough this still happens in such large numbers, but at least with illegal immigrants they have  valid reasons of wanting to come to California. Some people may not like them, but they are reasons.  Avila Olmeda did this solely so her kids could have dual citizenship. That’s it.”

“Unfortunately she isn’t the first or last powerful Mexican to do this.”

As of Tuesday, Avila Olmeda has not responded to the criticism of her actions. The incident is expected to be a damaging issue on her next run for public office.

Amiga looks like half the upper-class kids I taught in Colima. That crowd would jet all over like telenovela characters*, France, US, Canada. Neither she nor her kid will ever need birthright citizenship to come to the US and live the life of Reilly, they'll just fill out some form and get waved through. As mentioned above, all she did was piss off fellow Mexicans.

 

 

*the rich white ones who own businesses, as in, big businesses where you pick up the phone, yell in it, then people scurry about carrying out your will. My neighbor who owned a small windshield repair business could not snap his fingers and visit the US.

[956 Worldwide 34,444]

23 minutes ago, Pescado_Rojo said:

Not surprising. He's a ner-do-well artist type. He probably pulled that out of his ass because it sounded good when he was stoned. He has dual US / Cayman Islands citizenship because his dad was Caymanian. He travels on his CI passport, and hasn't lived in the US since he graduated high school. I don't think he's even set foot in the US since his mom died in 2002. I don't think he's ever planning on moving back here so he's probably not too worried about it. He's moved around some commonwealth countries over the years...places where his CI citizenship qualifies him for visas or work permits. I seriously doubt he's ever made enough money to owe anything to the IRS. 

He’s probably OK and the worst that would likely happen to him is a bunch of late filing penalties if Uncle Sam got angry at him anyway.  Plenty of times people don’t even know they are dual cits. But if you ever think you might want to spend time here it’s worth it to file. 

[fattyflattie 4,636]

29 minutes ago, Blotto said:

I'll wager that her kid is more likely to contribute positively to the US than any of these stupid fucks.

Well yeah. Pretty much goes without saying for anyone with money and political power in the family, regardless of ethnicity. 

[Johnny Sack 8,397]

7 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

Well yeah. Pretty much goes without saying for anyone with money and political power in the family, regardless of ethnicity. 

Poor kids are just as bright as white kids.

[PenelopeWitherspoon 19,093]

13 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

Well yeah. Pretty much goes without saying for anyone with money and political power in the family, regardless of ethnicity. 

Really?

 

[Patricio Swayze 17,058]

My wife and two daughters are dual US/Brazilian citizens. I fucking hate doing taxes (we have assets there).

As for birthright citizenship, I don’t think it would be a good idea to do away with it. Toothpaste is out of the tube kind of thing. Like someone said, it would create a group of non citizens. We already have plenty of problems with immigration and I don’t see how that would help things.

[Nice Guy Eddie 13,414]

anecdotal but a friend worked in Texas in HR for a large Mexican company. Not hard to guess the company. Anyway, she talked about how the Mexican-born leadership were groomed from Day 1 to be the top leaders based on family connections. While not impossible, it was highly unlikely they would ever personally fail. When they were involved in a failure, it would be the fault of someone else. We like to think that the rich get richer in America, but we don't remotely measure up to the culture of other countries.

[fattyflattie 4,636]

11 minutes ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

Really?

 

Yes, even those two shitheels have likely accomplished more than the two in that pic. 

[Gil Bang 25,898]

23 minutes ago, Johnny Sack said:

Poor kids are just as bright as white kids.

how about poor white kids?

[fattyflattie 4,636]

1 minute ago, Gil Bang said:

how about poor white kids?

It still amazes me people don’t know this is a direct quote of the POTUS. 

Edited January 19, 2022 by fattyflattie

[Johnny Sack 8,397]

2 minutes ago, Gil Bang said:

how about poor white kids?

Is there such a thing when you factor in white privilege?

[Gil Bang 25,898]

Just now, Johnny Sack said:

Is there such a thing when you factor in white privilege?

fuck man...

[RDCanecutter 26,281]

5 minutes ago, Johnny Sack said:

Is there such a thing when you factor in white privilege?

No idea how to factor it in. I have servants for that.

[Johnny Sack 8,397]

15 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

It still amazes me people don’t know this is a direct quote of the POTUS. 

If you don't vote for him, you ain't black and if his ticket loses the GOP about to put you back in chains.

[Gil Bang 25,898]

14 minutes ago, Johnny Sack said:

Is there such a thing when you factor in white privilege?

Coming back to this.  You're a smart guy that's acting like a fucking moron, so I'll dumb it down to the level of your post:

white privilege doesn't mean that anybody has given you anything because you're white...it means that nobody has kept you from getting anything because you're white. 

[Gil Bang 25,898]

16 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

It still amazes me people don’t know this is a direct quote of the POTUS. 

it was a gaffe.  Anybody with any sense knows that and moved on. 

[fattyflattie 4,636]

1 minute ago, Gil Bang said:

it was a gaffe.  Anybody with any sense knows that and moved on. 

Yes. For anyone else, it would have been considered a racist one.  One of several. You could almost call it a pattern. But definitely not this guy, no way.