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Either way with regard to speculation whether it’s Gandalf or not, I don’t like half of these opinions half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of them half as well as they deserve.

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2 minutes ago, Beantown Express 2.0 said:

You may need to step away from PornHub for a little bit.  

Hey man - talk to the Eldar.  You’re not the one who looked in a Palantir and saw Poppy and Durin on that stone table. 

 

 

On a more serious note, the acting has been uniformly excellent. Given the subject matter and some of the lines they have to say, it would be easy for lesser actors to hit the wrong chord. These actors are nailing it. 

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1 minute ago, burntorangebongos said:

The Rings nerd guy thinks it is one of the Blue Wizards from the east. The two Blue Wizards Alatar and Pallando.

Even he ain't giving Radagast no love. But the fact that he is going east does make his case stronger than mine.

I thought Saruman was the first wizard to come to middle earth.   That would be a real twist after a Gandalf fake. 

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As a fan who loves fantasy shit, I really dig this show. GREAT acting, scenery, music, how grand, well produced every shot is. As a fan of Tolkien and what he wrote, yea this show is taking liberties which simply are not needed. 

I too hope it's not Gandalf but they way the writers dropped not so subtle hints after fucking not so subtle hints that Halbrand was Sauron and that we all believed/hoped he wasn't Sauron because the no one is stupid enough to drop way too obvious hints and try poorly to make you think it's not at the same time, they are doing the exact same shit with the wizard. Why even try to hide that it's Gandolf when the writers have the wizard saying exact fucking lines that Gandolf says in later movies.

So that leads me to this, the writers need to quit trying to be cute, quit trying to create new drama within the stories for the sole purpose of creating new drama. It's a great fucking story as is. If they tell the goddamned story as is, the book fans are going to be happy or at least they aren't going to get all pissed. The non-book fans won't know what's cannon and what's not, they'll just enjoy the story. The story is great as is, so why the fuck not just tell the goddamned story instead of making up new shit? Why try to misdirect when they drop beyond obvious hints that the misdirection is complete shit?

I'll keep watching it because in spite of it all, it's an interesting, well acted, and visually stunning series, but I hate when writers outthink themselves and the source material. Just fucking annoying.

Last bitch, so what about the fucking other rings? They were supposed to be created first before the Elven rings? That's pretty important to the lore and what happens later when Sauron attacks Eregion and Celebrimbor. Why didn't the writers/directors even bother showing their creation? The show is called RINGS OF FUCKING POWER, not the Rings of Elven Power. Fuck.

 

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7 hours ago, Gatorubet said:

I thought Saruman was the first wizard to come to middle earth.   That would be a real twist after a Gandalf fake. 

I said it early on that I thought he was Saruman.  If that's right, it really adds something to his internal struggle of whether he is good or bad.

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8 hours ago, burntorangebongos said:

The Rings nerd guy thinks it is one of the Blue Wizards from the east. The two Blue Wizards Alatar and Pallando.

Even he ain't giving Radagast no love. But the fact that he is going east does make his case stronger than mine.

I would like him to be one of the blue wizards and thought the same thing when he was going to the East, but I think gandalf is too obvious, what with the hobbit relationship and as crash said above, the nods to gandalf lines in LOTR. 

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I suppose everyone is right, but I find it hard to believe that with a grandson or great one being involved to protect the work that they would let anyone fuck with Gandalf's story. If that is the case, then they were compelled by how good it was to allow it.  Personally, I think they are flirting with Gandalf to throw everyone off. 

Am I the only one who thinks they are making the elves look better with CGI or something? I was noting how hot Arondir was a while back and I googled the actor and in real life, he does not have a chin dimple, yet he does on the show. Go google Galadriel in real life and the chick has freckles and is not as stunning. Whatever they are doing, it is a great job. 

 

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3 minutes ago, kevwun said:

Cast you back in to the shadows and follow your nose are both Gandalf lines and they’ve setup his affinity for hobbits.  I would be very surprised if it’s not him.

 

With the direct references to Gandalf, they cannot make it another wizard or else it'll be beyond stupid. If it is him, they again fucked with the timeline and contradicted later movies.

They had an awesome opportunity to create a new story about one of the Blue Wizards, create new lore. Instead they look to be going with the safe cliche route.

For some reason I was expecting more from the writers/creators. Ehh, I'll still enjoy it. Just a huge missed opportunity.

 

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22 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

How does it contradict the films?

I don't know that it contradicts the film but it definitely contradicts the canon, as Gandalf specifically stated he never ventured into the East.

The blue wizards, however, did.  That's one of the biggest reason Nerd of the Rings and Emergency Awesome believe he's a blue wizard.

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54 minutes ago, kevwun said:

Cast you back in to the shadows and follow your nose are both Gandalf lines and they’ve setup his affinity for hobbits.  I would be very surprised if it’s not him.

 

45 minutes ago, crash_davis said:

With the direct references to Gandalf, they cannot make it another wizard or else it'll be beyond stupid.

I'm not a book or Tolkien nerd, so I'm just going off of what I remember from tLOTR, but didn't Gandalf say that Saruman was his mentor?  I got the impression that maybe he learned those lines and affinity for the Hobbits second hand from Saruman (before he turned Sauron puppet).

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1 hour ago, Augustus said:

I don't know that it contradicts the film but it definitely contradicts the canon, as Gandalf specifically stated he never ventured into the East.

The blue wizards, however, did.  That's one of the biggest reason Nerd of the Rings and Emergency Awesome believe he's a blue wizard.

Right, that part is true.  There's nothing in the films about the order in which the Istari came to Middle Earth though.  I really want him to be a blue wizard, but I just don't see it happening.

1 hour ago, bernorange said:

 

I'm not a book or Tolkien nerd, so I'm just going off of what I remember from tLOTR, but didn't Gandalf say that Saruman was his mentor?  I got the impression that maybe he learned those lines and affinity for the Hobbits second hand from Saruman (before he turned Sauron puppet).

This could be, though Saruman is just the head of the wizard order, not necessarily a mentor.

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6 hours ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Yup. As soon as the witches of Macbeth called the wizard lord Sauron, halbrand started behaving even more sauronish. 

Given  that he had no problem killing orcs and Adar’s human supporters when he was pretending to be the King of the Southlands, he’s always been acting like Sauron. 

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55 minutes ago, NOMAAA said:

Great f’ing show. Can’t wait to see what form he takes next. Also not sold on the stranger being who everyone seems to think he is. Ol white hand wasn’t always bad until he got corrupted. 

If they were going to choose between the wizards we've seen in the films, I can't believe they'd make him Saruman instead of Gandalf, or even Radagast

He's either a blue wizard or Gandalf.

 

6 hours ago, Gatorubet said:

Given  that he had no problem killing orcs and Adar’s human supporters when he was pretending to be the King of the Southlands, he’s always been acting like Sauron. 

Yeah, in retrospect it wasn't much of an effort to make it a plot twist.

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On 10/14/2022 at 2:10 AM, goatsaag said:

I was definitely thinking about this post during at least one scene in the last episode

She's too damn attractive and I'm not going to stand for it. Lesser women have toppled empires. She needs a Burka so I'm not distracted from nerding out over the Harfoots.

On 10/14/2022 at 1:53 PM, Augustus said:

Did everyone else assume that they were mistaken when they hailed him as Sauron at the beginning of the episode?

Yeah I wasn't buying it for a second. Even though it kind of confirmed for me that Halbrand was Sauron which I didn't think was going to happen. 

On 10/14/2022 at 2:53 PM, Pato del Muerto said:

Also this is bugging me so I’ll ask how others saw it.  Elrond or celebrex said they need pure metal for forging the alloy and wanted nimrond’s dagger. But they melted it down in one pot, thereby mixing the gold, silver, and whatever the blade is made of together. 
but somehow end up with 3 ingots that are pure, and different colored?

none of that sequence made any sense to me.  Why is her dagger the only source?  It felt like a clumsy way to get to some sort of closure maybe with her brother and that she is doing these things for her and not for him anymore?

What are you, a fucking metallurgist? 

On 10/14/2022 at 9:48 PM, burntorangebongos said:

I still think the Wizard is Radagast the Brown.

It's definitely Gandalf. They gave him two lines almost verbatim from the films.

On 10/14/2022 at 9:48 PM, burntorangebongos said:

Galadriel proves that she is the real fucking deal. She is passing tests left and right and is the one that comes up with the idea of 3 rings for only elves to balance out the power and keep them right. These 3 rings don't really amount to dick in the later LOTR story...don't factor in at all because the elves won't wear them until the one ring is destroyed. So I don't get why it helps them stay in middle earth?  I don't really know enough Tolkien shit to know what the fuck, so I guess I'll just say that I am very entertained but confused on this ring part. I need to watch it another 2 times to maybe figure it out better. 

I know I've already iterated it but she's an awesome fucking character. Like case-study in film school of how to write for screen good. 

I think the idea in the show is that the rings are what will keep the elves from fading away. The elves all do wear them in LOTR because they aren't corrupted like the other 16. However, in the LOTR movies prologue they say that Sauron gave the rings to the elves. Obviously that isn't what happened in this show and I don't think it's accurate in some of the literature (someone that knows more than I can correct me). 

On 10/14/2022 at 10:42 PM, Beantown Express 2.0 said:

Love the show.  The line about always follow your nose to Nori being the same he said to Merry (I think it was Merry in the Dwarf Mine) in Fellowship means it has to be Gandalf.  

Frodo. 

On 10/15/2022 at 12:11 AM, sidis said:

You’ve really been on fire of late…

Wondered who would call me out on it. Predictable. I was right about the stranger being a known quantity so I'll take batting .500. 

On 10/15/2022 at 9:29 AM, crash_davis said:

With the direct references to Gandalf, they cannot make it another wizard or else it'll be beyond stupid.

Exactly. And just think about it from a producers/writers meeting perspective. The temptation to also tie Gandalf into all of this - the most ubiquitous character throughout The Hobbit and LOTR - is just too much I'd imagine. 

Couple of other thoughts that no one has covered yet:

I like that they left the Isildur arc completely hanging. I figured the last scene would be some sort of reveal that he's still alive. 

I'm curious as to how Numenor gets destroyed, as Sauron seems to be in Mordor already. Maybe he makes the ring then goes and fucks their shit up?

And just, in general, very good finale. I liked the two Harfoot scenes the best. The Arondir/Bronwyn/Theo stuff is super meh for me so I also liked seeing the chains moved without that. Granted no Durin...

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However, in the LOTR movies prologue they say that Sauron gave the rings to the elves. Obviously that isn't what happened in this show and I don't think it's accurate in some of the literature (someone that knows more than I can correct me). 

One interpretation is that he did "give" them the rings: he suggested alloying mithril, which is how they were able to finally fashion anything out of that chunk of ore at all.  As The Ring confers power over all the other rings, he  lead them to inadvertently submit themselves to his control

I'm a galadrielstan.  she is a babe and a half.

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3 hours ago, ztejas said:

  I'm curious as to how Numenor gets destroyed, as Sauron seems to be in Mordor already. Maybe he makes the ring then goes and fucks their shit up?

 

My guess is that each of the first three seasons is the rings of power for one race getting made. The last two seasons will be the war against Sauron. During one of those he goes to Numenor to trick the humans there to go West instead of East to help the humans, and that leads to their destruction and also helps Sauron not have to fight them. 

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Just now, billfromlaketravis said:

So ROP is based on The Silmarillion? 

Please forgive my ignorance. I'm more of a GOT guy. The Lord of The Rings audiobooks are pretty tough to get through. 

No not really. It's just a loose interpretation of a lot of storylines from various Tolkein works. They've already messed the supposed "timeline" up a bit. 

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On 10/14/2022 at 2:53 PM, Pato del Muerto said:

Also this is bugging me so I’ll ask how others saw it.  Elrond or celebrex said they need pure metal for forging the alloy and wanted nimrond’s dagger. But they melted it down in one pot, thereby mixing the gold, silver, and whatever the blade is made of together. 
but somehow end up with 3 ingots that are pure, and different colored?

none of that sequence made any sense to me.  Why is her dagger the only source?  It felt like a clumsy way to get to some sort of closure maybe with her brother and that she is doing these things for her and not for him anymore?

It looked like the metals separated when he spun them in the bowl.

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5 minutes ago, Augustus said:

Goddamit how simultaneously stubborn/stupid can you be?

 

I apologize. I was being a dickhead. He enters that scene right after having talked to Frodo and then Merry makes a quip and then he responds to Merry. 

Hip hop hoo go aggy. Y'all look really good this season. 7-5 might be in play. 

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On 10/14/2022 at 9:48 PM, burntorangebongos said:

I still think the Wizard is Radagast the Brown. They aren't going to fuck with the canon too much and Gandalf doesn't show up in middle-earth until the TA. So this motherfucker is narrowed down to a good guy who wears brown. 

If you look back at Sauron being Halibrand, that is a twist not quite pulled off well. I don't know but I felt left wanting. What the fuck is his deal to just wander around middle earth? Or did he intend to be on the raft so he could meet Galadriel so she could eventually take him to where Celebrimbor was forging shit? That should have been made more clearer that he was on a mission, otherwise...meh.

 Galadriel proves that she is the real fucking deal. She is passing tests left and right and is the one that comes up with the idea of 3 rings for only elves to balance out the power and keep them right. These 3 rings don't really amount to dick in the later LOTR story...don't factor in at all because the elves won't wear them until the one ring is destroyed. So I don't get why it helps them stay in middle earth?  I don't really know enough Tolkien shit to know what the fuck, so I guess I'll just say that I am very entertained but confused on this ring part. I need to watch it another 2 times to maybe figure it out better. 

 

Galadriel always wore her ring. 

The ring was wielded by Lady Galadriel of Lothlórien, and was not normally visible; while Frodo Baggins could see it by virtue of being a Ring-bearer himself, Sam Gamgee told Galadriel he only "saw a star through [her] fingers."

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On 10/14/2022 at 2:53 PM, Pato del Muerto said:

Also this is bugging me so I’ll ask how others saw it.  Elrond or celebrex said they need pure metal for forging the alloy and wanted nimrond’s dagger. But they melted it down in one pot, thereby mixing the gold, silver, and whatever the blade is made of together. 
but somehow end up with 3 ingots that are pure, and different colored?

none of that sequence made any sense to me.  Why is her dagger the only source?  It felt like a clumsy way to get to some sort of closure maybe with her brother and that she is doing these things for her and not for him anymore?

 

19 hours ago, Duval Street said:

It looked like the metals separated when he spun them in the bowl.

Yeah, that's what I thought: that he separated them out with a centrifuge of sorts. Of course I have no idea if that's physically possible, and I was kinda drunk watching the episode.

 

Very much enjoyed the season though. Galadriel is a good-looking elf lady.

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