Things not going well for BLM

[Nivek 16861]

10 minutes ago, Johnny Sack said:

Qanoners and you share beliefs.

Neither election was stolen or rigged.

Still trying to conflate the two different situations and pivoting to a new discussion topic because you were and are, simply wrong.   

Are you seriously losing again?  This isn't even sporting anymore.  I figured eventually you might land one or two points, but this is pathetic.   You have not raised a single cogent argument.   After 3 months you managed to deflect and pivot as the sum of your skillset.   

 

[DalTxHornFan 3085]

49 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

Every citizen of voting age should be immediately and permanently "registered" to vote when they reach 18 and their name should never be removed from rolls, unless they die. Period. Anything else is voter suppression.

Really?  That would seem to invite chaos.  I've heard that people sometimes move to other precincts, districts, states, or even other countries.

[elfenix 34172]

you're right, those are completely unsolvable problems.

[Longhorn_Fan68 33843]

18 minutes ago, DalTxHornFan said:

Really?  That would seem to invite chaos.  I've heard that people sometimes move to other precincts, districts, states, or even other countries.

Please describe the ruckus, I mean chaos. We're living in 2022, not 1822. We have computer databases and the internet. If someone moves, that information moves with this. It really isn't that hard.

On the contrary, the system we have is completely chaotic, subject to nefarious actors, and applied unevenly across the electorate. I challenge you to explain to me why my idea doesn't work. If you need some help, maybe look into a few countries on this list:
https://www.idea.int/data-tools/data/voter-turnout/compulsory-voting

[DalTxHornFan 3085]

6 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

Please describe the ruckus, I mean chaos. We're living in 2022, not 1822. We have computer databases and the internet. If someone moves, that information moves with this. It really isn't that hard.

On the contrary, the system we have is completely chaotic, subject to nefarious actors, and applied unevenly across the electorate. I challenge you to explain to me why my idea doesn't work. If you need some help, maybe look into a few countries on this list:
https://www.idea.int/data-tools/data/voter-turnout/compulsory-voting

Oh, yeah.  The gubmint is so good at that stuff:

Treasury sent more than 1 million coronavirus stimulus payments to dead people, congressional watchdog finds

The checks sent to dead people as of April 30 totaled nearly $1.4 billion, according to the Government Accountability Office

https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-policy/2020/06/25/irs-stimulus-checks-dead-people-gao/

[Longhorn_Fan68 33843]

2 minutes ago, DalTxHornFan said:

Oh, yeah.  The gubmint is so good at that stuff:

Treasury sent more than 1 million coronavirus stimulus payments to dead people, congressional watchdog finds

The checks sent to dead people as of April 30 totaled nearly $1.4 billion, according to the Government Accountability Office

https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-policy/2020/06/25/irs-stimulus-checks-dead-people-gao/

awesome, so non sequitur is all you have? great argument. you sure convinced me!

[DalTxHornFan 3085]

1 minute ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

awesome, so non sequitur is all you have? great argument. you sure convinced me!

And I hold three voter registration cards recently sent to me for three family members that used to live at my address.  Now two are in two different states other than Texas, and another lives in a different county in Texas.  Why shouldn't the voter registration rolls get cleaned up from time to time?

[Johnny Sack 8397]

1 hour ago, Nivek said:

Still trying to conflate the two different situations and pivoting to a new discussion topic because you were and are, simply wrong.   

Are you seriously losing again?  This isn't even sporting anymore.  I figured eventually you might land one or two points, but this is pathetic.   You have not raised a single cogent argument.   After 3 months you managed to deflect and pivot as the sum of your skillset.   

 

Abrams lost by 54,000 votes.  That is a fact.  Nothing Kemp did by following Georgia law changes that fact.

She advocates the big lie despite that vote.  Since she is on your team, you don't care.  

[David Dennison 18661]

4 minutes ago, Johnny Sack said:

Abrams lost by 54,000 votes.  That is a fact.  Nothing Kemp did by following Georgia law changes that fact.

She advocates the big lie despite that vote.  Since she is on your team, you don't care.  

And you do?

LOL

[Longhorn_Fan68 33843]

8 minutes ago, DalTxHornFan said:

And I hold three voter registration cards recently sent to me for three family members that used to live at my address.  Now two are in two different states other than Texas, and another lives in a different county in Texas.  Why shouldn't the voter registration rolls get cleaned up from time to time?

You do understand the reason the current system is a mess is because it was designed that way, right? The reason shit like that happens is because it's intentional - some in power want to make it as hard as possible to vote. They want to control which citizens can and can't vote and if they can't do that, they want to make it extremely hard for certain people to register. 

I never said the rolls shouldn't get cleaned up from time to time.  I said no one should ever be removed. If I move to Colorado then that simply gets updated when I update my address and drivers license, etc. Again, this really isn't hard. If we wanted voting to work this way it would be quite easy to make it happen. The problem is those in charge don't want it to work well. They want it broken. And right now, they're getting what they want.

I'll ask again in a slightly different way and perhaps I'll get an answer this time - assuming all the administration issues can be resolved, what other reason would you have that this system would not work? I genuinely would like a valid retort. So far I have not gotten one.

Edited May 19, 2022 by Longhorn_Fan68

[DalTxHornFan 3085]

1 minute ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

You do understand the reason the current system is a mess is because it was designed that way, right? The reason shit like that happens is because it's intentional - some in power want to make it as hard as possible to vote. They want to control which citizens can and can't vote and if they can't do that, they want to make it extremely hard for certain people to register. 

I never said the rolls shouldn't get cleaned up from time to time.  I said no one should ever be removed. If I move to Colorado then that simply gets updated when I update my address and drivers license, etc. Again, this really isn't hard. If we wanted voting to work this way it would be quite easy to make it happen. The problem is those in charge don't want it to work well. They want it broken. And right now, they're getting what they want.

I'll ask again in a slightly different and perhaps I'll get an answer this time - assuming all the administration issues can be resolved, what other reason would have that this system would not work? I genuinely would like a valid retort. So far I have not gotten one.

Well, reality is the big reason.  The assumption that administration issues can be resolved is a big one.

I have been in charge of administrating many large national class action settlements.  You can get data from the stock registration companies, then run that against the National Change of Address Database, and then run it against the credit reporting agencies.  There are still a shit-ton of exceptions -- many undeliverable checks and likely many wrongfully delivered checks.  You do what you can.

Active updating of the rolls of active voters seems to make sense and does not seem like an onerous burden for an American citizen to participate in, nor in any way hinder their voting rights.

[Mole 4320]

From the Abrams non-concession speech:

Quote

I acknowledge that former Secretary of State Brian Kemp will be certified as the victor in the 2018 gubernatorial election. 
…

Now, I could certainly bring a new case to keep this one contest alive, but I don’t want to hold public office if I need to scheme my way into the post. Because the title of Governor isn’t nearly as important as our shared title. Voters. 

…

And I will pray for the success of Brian Kemp, that he will indeed be a leader for all Georgians. 
…

 

The entire speech: https://qz.com/1468560/read-stacey-abrams-full-concession-speech/

Equating this with the Trump lies and post election activities is well, just another lie. It’s possible to argue against Stacy Abrams’ position without resorting to dishonesty, but that hasn’t happened here. 

Edited May 19, 2022 by Mole

[Willfully Horn 7916]

24 minutes ago, DalTxHornFan said:

I have been in charge of administrating many large national class action settlements.  You can get data from the stock registration companies, then run that against the National Change of Address Database, and then run it against the credit reporting agencies.  There are still a shit-ton of exceptions -- many undeliverable checks and likely many wrongfully delivered checks.  You do what you can.

So, private entities are not much better than the government at sending checks to large groups of people. I’m not surprised. 

[Nivek 16861]

Abrams lost by 54,000 votes.  That is a fact.  Nothing Kemp did by following Georgia law changes that fact.
She advocates the big lie despite that vote.  Since she is on your team, you don't care.  

Repeating the pivot hasn’t worked yet. Try harder. Try again.

[henrygandorf 29179]

4 hours ago, DalTxHornFan said:

Oh, yeah.  The gubmint is so good at that stuff:

Treasury sent more than 1 million coronavirus stimulus payments to dead people, congressional watchdog finds

The checks sent to dead people as of April 30 totaled nearly $1.4 billion, according to the Government Accountability Office

https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-policy/2020/06/25/irs-stimulus-checks-dead-people-gao/

once-in-a-century pandemic, requiring first ever assistance of this type vs voting, which happens multiple times a year, pretty much every year.

this is a sound argument indeed.

[Brothahorn 10085]

Thread title is misleading.

 

Actually, things are going great for these grifters and their political masters.

 

They grifted millions of dollars, political impact and social influence from soft serves and simps. They will never be held accountable for the thievery. So things are great for Patrice and Hugo.

 

Both of those bitches will be back in 2022/2024 to make more money and scare more simps/soft serves.

 

Now, before the soft serves/simps start crying about that one person/organization they supposedly know..as I specifically said in the original bloodsucker thread(@hugostiglitz.), BLM(Patrice and Hugo) don’t give a damn about black lives. Unless there is money involved. #politics #politics #followthemoney

 

Yeah, yeah, we all know someone who has been working their ass off to solve the problem. But those folks/organizations never get the money/attention that the thieves do. And that is the problem. The organization that got all the money, attention and political influence never gave two fucks about black lives. It was all about politics and money. But that's what the people wanted. Easy, soft serve ice cream shit. Not actual problem solving.

 

Meanwhile 3 young men are dead this year that I mentored or knew. None of you front-running political chickenshits will say their names, march for justice or give a fuck. Because their deaths don’t fit your bullshit politics. 

 

 

 

 

 

[F250 28691]

6 minutes ago, Brothahorn said:

Thread title is misleading.

 

Actually, things are going great for these grifters and their political masters.

 

They grifted millions of dollars, political impact and social influence from soft serves and simps. They will never be held accountable for the thievery. So things are great for Patrice and Hugo.

 

Both of those bitches will be back in 2022/2024 to make more money and scare more simps/soft serves.

 

Now, before the soft serves/simps start crying about that one person/organization they supposedly know..as I specifically said in the original bloodsucker thread(@hugostiglitz.), BLM(Patrice and Hugo) don’t give a damn about black lives. Unless there is money involved. #politics #politics #followthemoney

 

Yeah, yeah, we all know someone who has been working their ass off to solve the problem. But those folks/organizations never get the money/attention that the thieves do. And that is the problem. The organization that got all the money, attention and political influence never gave two fucks about black lives. It was all about politics and money. But that's what the people wanted. Easy, soft serve ice cream shit. Not actual problem solving.

 

Meanwhile 3 young men are dead this year that I mentored or knew. None of you front-running political chickenshits will say their names, march for justice or give a fuck. Because their deaths don’t fit your bullshit politics. 

 

 

 

 

 

Sir, this is a Wendy's drive-thru.

 

[fattyflattie 4636]

7 hours ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

Every citizen of voting age should be immediately and permanently "registered" to vote when they reach 18 and their name should never be removed from rolls, unless they die. Period. Anything else is voter suppression.

I’m sure you’d still feel this way if any felons actually voted R, right? 

[Satchel 6908]

3 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

I’m sure you’d still feel this way if any felons actually voted R, right? 

Republican felons who have paid their debt to society should be allowed to vote.

[fattyflattie 4636]

1 minute ago, Satchel said:

Republican felons who have paid their debt to society should be allowed to vote.

No, they shouldn't. 

[Satchel 6908]

6 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

No, they shouldn't. 

Yes they should.

[fattyflattie 4636]

3 minutes ago, Satchel said:

Yes they should.

I’d love to say I could stick to my convictions on the issue if the situations were reversed, but picking up a near 100% voting block might be too much to overcome. 

[wildcat09 29260]

The idea that any large enough group, including felons, is a monolithic voting block is extremely stupid. There are tons of conservative felons. They should be allowed to vote, because they’re still citizens.

[henrygandorf 29179]

30 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

I’m sure you’d still feel this way if any felons actually voted R, right? 

felons or convicted felons?

[henrygandorf 29179]

also it’s bloc. 

[fattyflattie 4636]

53 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

also it’s bloc. 

Thx. A bloc of D voters. 

[Biff Tannen 45499]

I kept seeing this thread near the top and refused to click because I fucking knew that it was going to be some racist dumb shit from the usual suspects.  I finally clicked.  I was right.

[Vegas64 665]

Honestly, yes, an overwhelmingly majority of convicted felons would vote Democrat. That doesn't mean it's not morally or ethically the right thing to do.

Edited May 20, 2022 by Vegas64

[fattyflattie 4636]

2 minutes ago, Vegas64 said:

Honestly, yes, an overwhelmingly majority of convicted felons would vote Democrat. That doesn't mean it's not morally or ethically the right thing to do.

Whatever keeps the power and control in the right hands. 

[Biff Tannen 45499]

2 hours ago, fattyflattie said:

No, they shouldn't. 

Is the stipulation here that "felons" shouldn't ever be allowed to vote again?  My cousin is a very smart guy and did something stupid when he was young.  18 years old, drug related.  His life has been forever ruined.  He turned 40 today.  He is probably among the top quarter or 10% of the population in terms of intelligence.  He basically has no say in the world in which he lives now.  Is that fair?  

[tx 3 putt 76403]

On 5/18/2022 at 10:15 AM, Horn Under a Bad Sign said:

You mean like the two billion dollars that Jared Kushner got from the Saudis after Trump left office?

It's a mystery, isn't it?

his thank you for ok’ing the khashoggi murder 

[tx 3 putt 76403]

8 hours ago, DalTxHornFan said:

 Why shouldn't the voter registration rolls get cleaned up from time to time?

when you purge the rolls in only ‘certain’ districts, you’re on a mission (and it’s not trying to uphold democracy) 

Edited May 20, 2022 by tx 3 putt

[bolverk 29405]

5 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

Is the stipulation here that "felons" shouldn't ever be allowed to vote again?  My cousin is a very smart guy and did something stupid when he was young.  18 years old, drug related.  His life has been forever ruined.  He turned 40 today.  He is probably among the top quarter or 10% of the population in terms of intelligence.  He basically has no say in the world in which he lives now.  Is that fair?  

All residents of the US have certain unalienable rights that are protected by the Constitution regardless of citizenship. If you currently have no voice and have no future hope of ever participating again in the most sacred act of participatory self-governance, are you really still a citizen?

[henrygandorf 29179]

30 minutes ago, Vegas64 said:

Honestly, yes, an overwhelmingly majority of convicted felons would vote Democrat.

well the majority of americans have voted democratic in every presidential election except one in the last 33 years, so…

[Vegas64 665]

29 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

well the majority of americans have voted democratic in every presidential election except one in the last 33 years, so…

True but, also, convicted felons would be a super majority of democratic voters and I don't think that is even debatable by any serious person. The debate is not political with an eye to voter outcome though, the debate is ethical and moral obligation to citizens who have done their time and are free again.

[scottsins 1953]

Whatever keeps the power and control in the right hands. 

Jfc.

Does no one know that convicted felons can already vote in most places?


https://felonvoting.procon.org/state-felon-voting-laws/

[henrygandorf 29179]

1 hour ago, Vegas64 said:

The debate is not political with an eye to voter outcome though, the debate is ethical and moral obligation to citizens who have done their time and are free again.

if felons unable to vote were sure to vote r it would get political and non-ethical real quick. 

[Thatguy 8505]

13 hours ago, DalTxHornFan said:

And I hold three voter registration cards recently sent to me for three family members that used to live at my address.  Now two are in two different states other than Texas, and another lives in a different county in Texas.  Why shouldn't the voter registration rolls get cleaned up from time to time?

   We have porn websites that can deepfake your favorite actress' face onto the body of a porn star for your amusement. Yet you think that there is no way we can employ an electronic voting system that works? Its just more voter suppression. 

  I want the current system gone, not because it doesn't favor my political party, but because it doesn't represent the will of the people. I understand that personal beliefs change based on personal experiences. How we feel about the medical system in our 20's is not how we feel about it in our 60's. At any time we could end up on the other side of the fence. Johnny Sack could lose all his money. You could have a string of medical issues that prevent you from working, lose your insurance, and find yourself getting medical treatment alongside the undesirables. Hell, the political party could even change agendas. Anything can happen to make you want to vote the opposite, and when that happens you want your vote to count just as much then as it does now. Everyone should want a fair voting process. Otherwise whatever political party currently representing the elite will always use voter suppression in an attempt to swing the pendulum in their favor.

[Incredulity 11555]

26 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

We have porn websites that can deepfake your favorite actress' face onto the body of a porn star for your amusement. Yet you think that there is no way we can employ an electronic voting system that works? Its just more voter suppression

 

what the fuck does video editing have to do with voter registration records keeping? 

[Bookman 4611]

5 hours ago, Vegas64 said:

True but, also, convicted felons would be a super majority of democratic voters and I don't think that is even debatable by any serious person.

I'm a serious person, and it may or may not be true, but I don't find this to be at all obvious. Do you have some authority?

[Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand 13547]

16 hours ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

I challenge you to explain to me why my idea doesn't work. If you need some help, maybe look into a few countries on this list:
https://www.idea.int/data-tools/data/voter-turnout/compulsory-voting

The way to Make America Great Again is to be so convinced of what you believe to be a permanent incompetence that you don't dare to even attempt what other countries have achieved. 

[Vegas64 665]

1 hour ago, Bookman said:

I'm a serious person, and it may or may not be true, but I don't find this to be at all obvious. Do you have some authority?

Not sure if this is a Simone de Beauvoir or a Joel and Ethan Cohen bit.

[Johnny Sack 8397]

7 hours ago, henrygandorf said:

well the majority of americans have voted democratic in every presidential election except one in the last 33 years, so…

That is a lie.

[Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand 13547]

14 minutes ago, Johnny Sack said:

That is a lie.

The GOP candidate has lost the popular vote in 7 out of the last 8 presidential elections.

[tx 3 putt 76403]

9 minutes ago, Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand said:

The GOP candidate has lost the popular vote in 7 out of the last 8 presidential elections.

have you heard of voter fraud ?????

Edited May 20, 2022 by tx 3 putt

[tx 3 putt 76403]

The entire Republican voter strategy moving forward >>>>> figure out a way to throw large chunks of the urban vote. That job is much easier if they can’t even vote to start with 

[Johnny Sack 8397]

20 minutes ago, Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand said:

The GOP candidate has lost the popular vote in 7 out of the last 8 presidential elections.

That is a different statement than the one I responded to.

[Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand 13547]

4 minutes ago, Johnny Sack said:

That is a different statement than the one I responded to.

Yes, I know. Just wanted to illustrate that you wouldn't dispute it. Thanks.

[fattyflattie 4636]

6 hours ago, henrygandorf said:

if felons unable to vote were sure to vote r it would get political and non-ethical real quick. 

This is why I hope the Hispanic immigrants get everything they can before the D’s figure out they aren’t the windfall they’re expecting. Immigration going to tighten up quick at that point. 

[David Dennison 18661]

50 minutes ago, Johnny Sack said:

That is a lie.

The majority of voters have voted Democratic in every presidential election except one in the last 33 years, so . . .