Better Call Saul: Season 6

[notre dame joe 188]

17 minutes ago, dcbc said:

Kim comes back and he signs the divorce papers in the middle of the BB Pilot 1 or so, right?  Jesse is at Saul's office to talk to him about Emilio.  Presumably, that's the last time he sees her.  When he calls her, he says it's been six years, right?  I know the Nebraska-Texas game in Nippy sets us in 2010.  So maybe he has no idea how long it's been.

Now I'm confused about Saul's debut in BB.  If Lalo&Nacho had recently disappeared then Saul can pretend he doesn't know they are gone to the two masked men.   If it has been four years then he uses different names. 

[shadow_operative 15932]

13 hours ago, Augustus said:

Ya just say "bingo."

Gorlami.

[BigOrange1 6442]

9 hours ago, dcbc said:

Kim comes back and he signs the divorce papers in the middle of the BB Pilot 1 or so, right?  Jesse is at Saul's office to talk to him about Emilio.  Presumably, that's the last time he sees her.  When he calls her, he says it's been six years, right?  I know the Nebraska-Texas game in Nippy sets us in 2010.  So maybe he has no idea how long it's been.

i think saul represented emilio twice.  jesse's meeting with him here is obviously prior to either of those.  so it make sense that kim meeting jesse would predate breaking bad by a year or two.

edit - yep, here is the scene where jesse tells walt that saul had represented emilio twice.  this was just a couple of months into the events of breaking bad:

 

Edited August 11, 2022 by BigOrange1

[dcbc 14487]

37 minutes ago, BigOrange1 said:

i think saul represented emilio twice.  jesse's meeting with him here is obviously prior to either of those.  so it make sense that kim meeting jesse would predate breaking bad by a year or two.

edit - yep, here is the scene where jesse tells walt that saul had represented emilio twice.  this was just a couple of months into the events of breaking bad:

 

Good memory.  I'm rewatching BB right now and completely missed the twice part.  I thought I was doing well just to remember who Emilio was.

Edited August 11, 2022 by dcbc

[UTCzech III 2907]

Jesse is waiting outside while Emilio talks to Saul, as Kim is leaving Francesca calls him in, he's the "I ain't got no papers" guy.  That's the reason Jesse is there, he came with Emilio but is just hanging out.

ETA:  to the timeline point, yeah consensus seems to be that this (Kim signing the divorce papers) is later in 2004, so still a few years away from BB. 

Edited August 11, 2022 by UTCzech III

[Trey3216 15347]

12 minutes ago, UTCzech III said:

Jesse is waiting outside while Emilio talks to Saul, as Kim is leaving Francesca calls him in, he's the "I ain't got no papers" guy.  That's the reason Jesse is there, he came with Emilio but is just hanging out.

ETA:  to the timeline point, yeah consensus seems to be that this (Kim signing the divorce papers) is later in 2004, so still a few years away from BB. 

and 175lb Jesse loses 50 lbs to become BB Jesse  

[Red Five 40862]

 

[UTCzech III 2907]

7 minutes ago, Trey3216 said:

and 175lb Jesse loses 50 lbs to become BB Jesse  

I was gonna say, and his voice got higher too. 

[CooterBrown 18014]

and 175lb Jesse loses 50 lbs to become BB Jesse  

Meth is a hell of a drug.

[Trey3216 15347]

2 hours ago, CooterBrown said:

Meth is a hell of a drug.

so is HGH

[jdhorn92 1552]

23 hours ago, Saint Tacky said:

 

sorry. must disagree.

Mash ending was pretty good too. 

[huge 3793]

10 minutes ago, jdhorn92 said:

Mash ending was pretty good too. 

Justified was another that ended great

[BigOrange1 6442]

the shield too.  in fact, that's probably my favorite ever series finale.

[notre dame joe 188]

10 hours ago, UTCzech III said:

Jesse is waiting outside while Emilio talks to Saul, as Kim is leaving Francesca calls him in, he's the "I ain't got no papers" guy.  That's the reason Jesse is there, he came with Emilio but is just hanging out.

ETA:  to the timeline point, yeah consensus seems to be that this (Kim signing the divorce papers) is later in 2004, so still a few years away from BB. 

It is such a PITA that they makes us piece together the timeline on the internet because it is critically important to understanding what is going on.

 

6 hours ago, jdhorn92 said:

Mash ending was pretty good too. 

The Battlestar Galactica II finale gets a B+, but the resulting fanboy tears wrecked the curve.

Edited August 12, 2022 by notre dame joe

[jdhorn92 1552]

What are we to infer from Kim staring at the young female lawyer fixing her client's tie?  Is that Kim reflecting back on who she used to be (that ambitious, righteous lawyer helping the underserved)?

With one episode to go, I cannot see her coming back to defend Saul, not enough time to build that up and I think she's done with Jimmy/Saul.  I think that is just a reflection of who she was in her past life. 

No way she goes back in to law, right? Howard's wife, while she may not have the stamina to go through a long legal process to fight vs Kim, she certainly wouldn't sit idle as she sees Kim try to get back her law license.

[HouTex 1878]

Not a fan of Howard’s wife.  Last time we saw her with Howard she despised him at worst, and at best had zero respect for him.  There seemed to be no connection at all between them.  Sure, losing an estranged spouse has to be tough but she seems way too hurt considering the nature of their relationship at the end.  

[Texas St. Armadillos 1381]

5 minutes ago, HouTex said:

Not a fan of Howard’s wife.  Last time we saw her with Howard she despised him at worst, and at best had zero respect for him.  There seemed to be no connection at all between them.  Sure, losing an estranged spouse has to be tough but she seems way too hurt considering the nature of their relationship at the end.  

My only explanation for this is that relationships are complicated.

[Lurch 5931]

Not a fan of Howard’s wife.  Last time we saw her with Howard she despised him at worst, and at best had zero respect for him.  There seemed to be no connection at all between them.  Sure, losing an estranged spouse has to be tough but she seems way too hurt considering the nature of their relationship at the end.  

She’s hurt because Kim successfully convinced her that it was her fault he’d fallen into drugs and depression without her noticing

[PilotsError 2294]

13 minutes ago, HouTex said:

Not a fan of Howard’s wife.  Last time we saw her with Howard she despised him at worst, and at best had zero respect for him.  There seemed to be no connection at all between them.  Sure, losing an estranged spouse has to be tough but she seems way too hurt considering the nature of their relationship at the end.  

 

She doesn't care about Howard, she cares about his reputation.  How she's perceived because of him.  The rumors hurt her.  She wants her reputation back.  Doubt she gives two fucks how Howard died. 

[PantsTent 2002]

38 minutes ago, jdhorn92 said:

What are we to infer from Kim staring at the young female lawyer fixing her client's tie?  Is that Kim reflecting back on who she used to be (that ambitious, righteous lawyer helping the underserved)?

Well, yeah, that wasn't a particularly subtle scene. The lady was dressed just like Kim used to, pony tail and all.

[notre dame joe 188]

2 hours ago, jdhorn92 said:

What are we to infer from Kim staring at the young female lawyer fixing her client's tie?  Is that Kim reflecting back on who she used to be (that ambitious, righteous lawyer helping the underserved)?

With one episode to go, I cannot see her coming back to defend Saul, not enough time to build that up and I think she's done with Jimmy/Saul.  I think that is just a reflection of who she was in her past life. 

No way she goes back in to law, right? Howard's wife, while she may not have the stamina to go through a long legal process to fight vs Kim, she certainly wouldn't sit idle as she sees Kim try to get back her law license.

Sandra Holt and Kim turn in Saul in one final con. 

[jdhorn92 1552]

10 minutes ago, notre dame joe said:

Sandra Holt and Kim turn in Saul in one final con. 

I could see it. Is Sandra, Howard's wife?

[Trey3216 15347]

3 hours ago, PilotsError said:

 

She doesn't care about Howard, she cares about his reputation.  How she's perceived because of him.  The rumors hurt her.  She wants her reputation back.  Doubt she gives two fucks how Howard died. 

She wants more $$.  That's it.  Remember, they took Howard's name off the firm.  Could be that she lost out on some contractual founding/limited partner benefits due to that.  She wants that $$.  She wants $$ from Kim just because.  She wants Howard's rep back because that likely includes other $$ (perhaps a retrial of the Sandpiper case, which would get more $$).    Pretty much the nuts and bolts there.  

[notre dame joe 188]

2 hours ago, jdhorn92 said:

I could see it. Is Sandra, Howard's wife?

Yeah, there are a ton of canadians in that show

 

 

[Horn80 6129]

4 hours ago, Trey3216 said:

She wants more $$.  That's it.  Remember, they took Howard's name off the firm.  Could be that she lost out on some contractual founding/limited partner benefits due to that.  She wants that $$.  She wants $$ from Kim just because.  She wants Howard's rep back because that likely includes other $$ (perhaps a retrial of the Sandpiper case, which would get more $$).    Pretty much the nuts and bolts there.  

Hmm…..don’t agree.  Thought Howard’s wife truly believe that Howard didn’t do cocaine and knew in her gut not true and felt deeply obligated to not let his character be slander despite her issues with him.

[dcbc 14487]

12 hours ago, jdhorn92 said:

What are we to infer from Kim staring at the young female lawyer fixing her client's tie?  Is that Kim reflecting back on who she used to be (that ambitious, righteous lawyer helping the underserved)?

With one episode to go, I cannot see her coming back to defend Saul, not enough time to build that up and I think she's done with Jimmy/Saul.  I think that is just a reflection of who she was in her past life. 

No way she goes back in to law, right? Howard's wife, while she may not have the stamina to go through a long legal process to fight vs Kim, she certainly wouldn't sit idle as she sees Kim try to get back her law license.

She used to borrow Saul's ties for her clients who couldn't afford suits and ties.  Young hustlers have to make as much luck as they can.

[F250 28778]

I'm not a mayonaise person, would it be safe to say that Duke's mayonnaise fans are "yep" men?

 

[dcbc 14487]

10 minutes ago, F250 said:

I'm not a mayonaise person, would it be safe to say that Duke's mayonnaise fans are "yep" men?

 

I'm not so sure.  I've got my Hellman's short throw game down pretty well.

[WBT 20614]

Someone on the internet has to have made a mashup of the Mesa Verde commercial "Yup" and the "yep" guy, right?

[chainsaw 9870]

On 8/10/2022 at 8:24 PM, henrygandorf said:

jesse didn't change anything for kim.  kim changed everything for jesse.  or at least she could have. 

he asked her a question.  if she stared back at him and said, "no, run away, run for your fucking life", then it's possible the later events of breaking bad never even happen.

He's already friends with Emilio at that point.

[henrygandorf 29192]

4 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

He's already friends with Emilio at that point.

right, but he asked if this guy was any good.  some strong words might've steered him away down the line.  not for emilio, and possibly not even for badger.  but it would always be in his head.  if someone said "he will wreck your life" i would remember it for a while.

[chainsaw 9870]

I think Howards' widow kills Saul before the cops can take him. She goes away for life. Credits.

[tx 3 putt 77059]

anyone else damn excited for tomorrow ?

[Bama Chick 28596]

Very excited but it’s going to be bittersweet.

I’m sad that this is likely our last visit to the Breaking Bad universe.

Hard to believe after 15 years that it’s all coming to an end.

[tx 3 putt 77059]

2 minutes ago, Bama Chick said:

Very excited but it’s going to be bittersweet.

I’m sad that this is likely our last visit to the Breaking Bad universe.

Hard to believe after 15 years that it’s all coming to an end.

 

same, it's been a long and wonderful ride 

[Prepuce of Doom 21079]

I'm talking out my ass and have no basis for saying this, but I kind of feel like we might get another spinoff somehow. 

[VirginiaLonghorn 4777]

AMC running mini-marathon of the second half of this final season’s episodes beginning today at 1440EDT.

[Al_4_ISU 12464]

6 hours ago, Bama Chick said:

Very excited but it’s going to be bittersweet.

I’m sad that this is likely our last visit to the Breaking Bad universe.

Hard to believe after 15 years that it’s all coming to an end.

When BB ended, I thought that was the end so I had already dealt with that mentally.  This will be the same way.  Bittersweet for sure, but on the edge of my seat to see if Gilligan can end it as well as he ended BB.

[billfromlaketravis 11515]

I'm not prepared to make a prediction. I'm sure Gilligan/Gould have alluded it to it heavily, we missed it, and we'll all feel like idiots when the showrunners discuss it on the podcast tomorrow. 

[Texas St. Armadillos 1381]

1 hour ago, Prepuce of Doom said:

I'm talking out my ass and have no basis for saying this, but I kind of feel like we might get another spinoff somehow. 

I thought I saw that VG said that he is done with this universe.  Could still be a spinoff, but without his involvement (or Gould's), not sure it would meet the group's approval.

[Nice Guy Eddie 13515]

Sad. I agree it's the end of the BB universe assuming that it's the end of Saul in some form tonight. The BB characters are gone with the end of Saul. Yes Jesse and Skyler were in the middle of the fray but from what we can tell, they're somewhat leading normal lives, forever scarred. 

My prediction is that Jimmy/Saul/Gene dies tonight. Not metaphorically but actually dies. He's the quintessential guy who's only sorry when he's caught. No remorse. Not even some false moral compass that creates an excuse for bad behavior, like with Walt.

I'm not even sure there is a path for Jimmy to finish strong by saving someone. Walt saved Jesse and provided help for Skyler/Flynn. Even if Saul has some money hidden, Kim wouldn't accept it. Howard's wife doesn't need it. They intentionally showed her still living large. The end of Jimmy closes the book.

It wouldn't shock me if there was some final scene of the forever beaten down Francesca finding a lost million of Saul's but that would just be for comedic sake.

[oSuJeff97 3435]

16 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

Sad. I agree it's the end of the BB universe assuming that it's the end of Saul in some form tonight. The BB characters are gone with the end of Saul. Yes Jesse and Skyler were in the middle of the fray but from what we can tell, they're somewhat leading normal lives, forever scarred. 

My prediction is that Jimmy/Saul/Gene dies tonight. Not metaphorically but actually dies. He's the quintessential guy who's only sorry when he's caught. No remorse. Not even some false moral compass that creates an excuse for bad behavior, like with Walt.

I'm not even sure there is a path for Jimmy to finish strong by saving someone. Walt saved Jesse and provided help for Skyler/Flynn. Even if Saul has some money hidden, Kim wouldn't accept it. Howard's wife doesn't need it. They intentionally showed her still living large. The end of Jimmy closes the book.

It wouldn't shock me if there was some final scene of the forever beaten down Francesca finding a lost million of Saul's but that would just be for comedic sake.

I don't know.... Gilligan/Gould are very good at subverting expectations. I would be very surprised if Jimmy/Saul/Gene died just because that's also how Walter ended.

Walter was a murderer whose only atonement could come through sacrificing his life for Jesse.

Saul is con man, not a murderer. He deserves punishment, but not death. And the person he needs to save is Kim. I think he somehow steps forward and gives himself up to the Feds or the Albuquerque DA or whomever to save Kim from going to jail.

 

[CurlyDumps 4476]

I love this show because it marches to the beat of its own drum. It's a little weird and unconventional. Takes its time. Moves at a deliberate pace. I've always had the feeling that the creators, coming off BB, had this supreme confidence to take some risks and do something different. Make this crazy drama/thriller/western that is pretty hard to describe. How often are spinoffs completely different than the material off which they were spun?

That's the energy I'm taking into this finale. I think nobody will accurately predict it, and I think it will be great.

[Native Horn 3504]

I am excite.

[Trey3216 15347]

8 hours ago, Bama Chick said:

Very excited but it’s going to be bittersweet.

I’m sad that this is likely our last visit to the Breaking Bad universe.

Hard to believe after 15 years that it’s all coming to an end.

Yep.  I've gotten to where I only check this thread every other day or so because I don't want to get to the end of the discussion.  Gonna be sad that the BBUniverse is dead and gone.  

[BigDHornfan 6549]

Whatever the ending, someone on here is gonna say it fucking sucks

[oSuJeff97 3435]

11 minutes ago, CurlyDumps said:

I love this show because it marches to the beat of its own drum. It's a little weird and unconventional. Takes its time. Moves at a deliberate pace. I've always had the feeling that the creators, coming off BB, had this supreme confidence to take some risks and do something different. Make this crazy drama/thriller/western that is pretty hard to describe. How often are spinoffs completely different than the material off which they were spun?

That's the energy I'm taking into this finale. I think nobody will accurately predict it, and I think it will be great.

I don't know if I'd call BCS *completely* different... it was much more different in the early seasons for sure... the past few seasons, save for the Gene/Omaha stuff, has been pretty similar to Breaking Bad.

But it's a good question. One that immediately comes to mind is Frasier. While just as funny/great as Cheers, it was a much different show.

[Jerry Callo 8704]

Regardless of how the show ends tonight, this show was so much better than I thought it could be.  Huge kudos to Gilligan and Gould for telling the story without diminishing the BB story.  Odenkirk and Seehorn were great, but all of the other actor giving top level performances as well - Banks, Esposito, Mando, Fabian, Dalton and McKean. 

[Mitch Cumsteen 18550]

I'm going Newhart ending.... where Walt wakes up as a school teacher cancer-free and the whole thing was just a dream.

[Nice Guy Eddie 13515]

13 minutes ago, oSuJeff97 said:

I don't know.... Gilligan/Gould are very good at subverting expectations. I would be very surprised if Jimmy/Saul/Gene died just because that's also how Walter ended.

Walter was a murderer whose only atonement could come through sacrificing his life for Jesse.

Saul is con man, not a murderer. He deserves punishment, but not death. And the person he needs to save is Kim. I think he somehow steps forward and gives himself up to the Feds or the Albuquerque DA or whomever to save Kim from going to jail.

 

Good point about the punishment fitting the crime. Jimmy helped lead Chuck and Howard to their deaths but in both cases that wasn't his motivation and he definitely didn't pull the trigger.

I don't think Kim really wants atonement so I don't know how Jimmy can save her. She might want jail to free her from Florida. Maybe he can point her back to being a lawyer but that seems unlikely now that she's confessing to the DA.