Better Call Saul: Season 6

[Deej 76,755]

Derka: "That sucked! It makes no sense!"

[LonghornSean 3,989]

1 minute ago, Horn80 said:

Oh, shit.  Thought it was 7

That’s what it was before he came clean in the courtroom.

[SizzleChest 8,283]

1 minute ago, Horn80 said:

Oh, shit.  Thought it was 7

He negotiated it down to 7, but once he realized Kim confessed, he did a 180 and chose 1) the complete truth and 2) to max out his own penance.

[billfromlaketravis 11,448]

Things I liked : 

- The final shot. Brilliant.

- Bringing Chuck back. The Time Machine was a nice touch. 

- The smoke with Kim.

- Bring Walt back and reminding of us of just how big an asshole he was. His disdain for Saul and Saul reacting to it felt very real. 

 

Things I didn’t like: 

- The dumb ass chant on the bus. Uh what? 

- No sane person is going to take 86 years when 7 is on the table. 

- ADX Montrose = ADX Florence. The Alcatraz of the Rockies. Prisoners there are locked down 23 hours and a day and get to work out in metal, outdoor cage for 1 hour. There’s no working in the kitchen or playing basketball bullshit.  Prisoners never interact with one another. If I know this, the writers do as well.

Edited August 16, 2022 by billfromlaketravis

[Trey3216 15,345]

19 minutes ago, billfromlaketravis said:

Things I liked : 

- The final shot. Brilliant.

- Bringing Chuck back. The Time Machine was a nice touch. 

- The smoke with Kim.

- Bring Walt back and reminding of us of just how big an asshole he was. His disdain for Saul and Saul reacting to it felt very real. 

 

Things I didn’t like: 

- The dumb ass chant on the bus. Uh what? 

- No sane person is going to take 86 years when 7 is on the table. 

- ADX Montrose = ADX Florence. The Alcatraz of the Rockies. Prisoners there are locked down 23 hours and a day and get to work out in metal, outdoor cage for 1 hour. There’s no working in the kitchen or playing basketball bullshit.  Prisoners never interact with one another. If I know this, the writers do as well.

The “dumbass” chant on the bus was because Saul had probably got half their friends/families out of harsher sentencing.  He was a hero to criminals.   So they treated him like a king.  His “lawyer buddy” asked him from the jump “where do you expect to get with all the evidence against you” and Saul said “on top where I belong”.   Saul came clean, as much mentally as in reality, and freed his mind.  Then he’s on the bus going to Federal Pound me in the ass Prison and the inmates treat him like a god.  He still went out on top.   

[DanTheHorn 4,917]

7 to 86 was not in Jimmy's  nature regardless of how much he loves Kim.

Edited August 16, 2022 by DanTheHorn

[Bama Chick 28,596]

Very first episode and very last episode -

[DanTheHorn 4,917]

54 minutes ago, kevwun said:

Vince Gilligan has nailed 2 series endings.  In fact this one was even better than Breaking Bad which is amazing.  He's the Michael Jordan of television shows.

AMC has nailed there finales. I have already said what I did not like but I loved the just one line. That scene was great.

[billfromlaketravis 11,448]

7 years in a federal prison isn’t easy. I didn’t buy that plea as some bastardization of the US Legal System. Saul didn’t plan, or participate in any of the murders. 7 years for some RICO predicates, drug trafficking, and money laundering sounds about right. Saul didn’t have any prior convictions, and he wasn’t a member of an organized crime group. 

[WBT 20,561]

That was really good.  I'm not sure I buy that Jimmy's conscience would win out in the end but combined with Kim's influence I can maybe see it.

I did not have the return of Marie on my bingo card. 

When and where was the scene with Walt supposed to be?  I've never rewatched Breaking Bad and it's been awhile.  In any case, it was fun seeing Walt be a general asshole again for no particular reason.  And his line about how Saul has always been this way really summed up the character.

I didn't see Chuck coming back either although I didn't really take a whole lot from that scene.  Jimmy bringing up Chuck in his confession and then the shot panning to go through the buzzing exit sign was a fun touch even if it was a little ham fisted.

Jimmy's final confession also really deked me.  He started out repeating his spiel from the pretrial meeting and I thought his ego just wanted to get it out in front of the judge and open court even though the plea was already secured.  When it turned into a confession I only gradually caught on as I was waiting for the twist to kick in.

[hornian 5,210]

13 hours ago, oSuJeff97 said:

I don't know.... Gilligan/Gould are very good at subverting expectations. I would be very surprised if Jimmy/Saul/Gene died just because that's also how Walter ended.

Walter was a murderer whose only atonement could come through sacrificing his life for Jesse.

Saul is con man, not a murderer. He deserves punishment, but not death. And the person he needs to save is Kim. I think he somehow steps forward and gives himself up to the Feds or the Albuquerque DA or whomever to save Kim from going to jail.

 

Nailed it. 

[billfromlaketravis 11,448]

10 minutes ago, WBT said:

That was really good.  I'm not sure I buy that Jimmy's conscience would win out in the end but combined with Kim's influence I can maybe see it.

I did not have the return of Marie on my bingo card. 

When and where was the scene with Walt supposed to be?  I've never rewatched Breaking Bad and it's been awhile.  In any case, it was fun seeing Walt be a general asshole again for no particular reason.  And his line about how Saul has always been this way really summed up the character.

I didn't see Chuck coming back either although I didn't really take a whole lot from that scene.  Jimmy bringing up Chuck in his confession and then the shot panning to go through the buzzing exit sign was a fun touch even if it was a little ham fisted.

Jimmy's final confession also really deked me.  He started out repeating his spiel from the pretrial meeting and I thought his ego just wanted to get it out in front of the judge and open court even though the plea was already secured.  When it turned into a confession I only gradually caught on as I was waiting for the twist to kick in.

Walt and Saul are hiding in the basement of the vacuum repair man. They’re waiting for their new identities/placement. 

[huge 3,793]

I was wondering about the flashback scenes too then finally realized they were new scenes riffing on old themes/events. Seeing Walt in full asshole mode was refreshingly jarring.

I look forward to whatever these guys do in the future. Together or whatever. They have a great plan and execute.

[tx 3 putt 76,874]

that was pretty damn good, very well done 

[BigOrange1 6,433]

i am going to miss the shit out of this show.

[Victor Lazlo 1,776]

1 hour ago, billfromlaketravis said:

- ADX Montrose = ADX Florence. The Alcatraz of the Rockies. Prisoners there are locked down 23 hours and a day and get to work out in metal, outdoor cage for 1 hour. There’s no working in the kitchen or playing basketball bullshit.  Prisoners never interact with one another. If I know this, the writers do as well.

For Christ’s sake, can’t the writers take a little poetic license to advance the story?

You are one of a select few of the viewers that know those facts.

The rest of us don’t really give a shit.

With the possible exception of Derka.

 

[NoRagrets 1,125]

If there’s not another 8 years of a Lalo origin series, life isn’t worth living. 

[Augustus 3,061]

1 hour ago, billfromlaketravis said:

ADX Montrose = ADX Florence. The Alcatraz of the Rockies. Prisoners there are locked down 23 hours and a day and get to work out in metal, outdoor cage for 1 hour. There’s no working in the kitchen or playing basketball bullshit.  Prisoners never interact with one another. If I know this, the writers do as well.

But here's the thing.  It wasn't ADX Florence.  It was a fictional place. 

[NWBuck 8,552]

7 minutes ago, Augustus said:

But here's the thing.  It wasn't ADX Florence.  It was a fictional place. 

Wait... This wasn't a documentary???

[Pablo 494]

Terrific ending, loved every bit of it.

Sure going to miss this show, seemed like it was on hiatus forever and now its gone.

GG, Gilligan and Gould!

[notre dame joe 187]

6 hours ago, TexasGary said:

Okay, is it just me or are we getting commercial breaks about every three minutes?

There was one clump in the middle but it was just the one. 

  

17 hours ago, oSuJeff97 said:

I don't know.... Gilligan/Gould are very good at subverting expectations. I would be very surprised if Jimmy/Saul/Gene died just because that's also how Walter ended.

Walter was a murderer whose only atonement could come through sacrificing his life for Jesse.

Saul is con man, not a murderer. He deserves punishment, but not death. And the person he needs to save is Kim. I think he somehow steps forward and gives himself up to the Feds or the Albuquerque DA or whomever to save Kim from going to jail.

 

But Saul didn't save her from jail, he saved her from . . . a civil lawsuit that could in ten years send a debt collector to a state with the world's strongest homestead law. 

 

IT was the best episode of the season and a top finale in general.   But G&G just can't help themselves with an implausible angle. 

 

OH and they are both alive.  The BCS After Years are coming. 

[shadow_operative 15,932]

my favorite part was seeing that saul goodman was still alive deep down inside, and that he hadn't fully become this neutered gene character who was now doing slippin jimmy tricks with a D-rate crew, basically begging to get caught. hearing his trademark confidence when first called oakley and then when he addressed the federal legal team, was awesome. i was really looking forward to watching Saul take on said legal team in one last ditch to save himself, but unfortunately he pretty much just got his way immediately on that front. after that i found the rest of the episode lacking drama and overall pretty "meh".

lots of people in this thread successfully predicted a whole bunch of what we saw in the finale. one of y'all practically summarized the entire episode before it ever aired. a lot of the finale was rather predictable, and the part that wasn't as predictable- Saul's courtroom theatrics where he torpedoes the deal of a lifetime so that kim will like him again (i'm not quite understanding how his confession takes her off the hook for any potential civil suit)- wasn't something i particularly liked. 

overall, in real time i absolutely loathed the pacing re: how this show was aired, and the interminable breaks between seasons really hurt my ability to properly watch/love/respect this show. it wasn't until i binged the first five seasons right before the start of this season that i remembered just how awesome this show was. *highly* bingeable show, that is for sure. 

i thought this final season was merely ok, and that the episodes after the break were particularly "meh",  but with nearly every interesting character dead and without all of the drama that surrounded nacho, lalo, gus, the cartel, etc, that's not super surprising. overall it was an outstanding series that an ok final season, which puts it squarely in the upper echelon of tv shows in this golden age of television. the people who get to binge the entire thing for their first viewing have no idea how lucky they are. 

[Al_4_ISU 12,452]

The “dumbass” chant on the bus was because Saul had probably got half their friends/families out of harsher sentencing.  He was a hero to criminals.   So they treated him like a king.  His “lawyer buddy” asked him from the jump “where do you expect to get with all the evidence against you” and Saul said “on top where I belong”.   Saul came clean, as much mentally as in reality, and freed his mind.  Then he’s on the bus going to Federal Pound me in the ass Prison and the inmates treat him like a god.  He still went out on top.   

Exactly. At first I thought they were trying to intimidate him because they all had beef, but once you saw him zipping around the prison bakery you knew he’d helped them and then revered him.

He was truly King of the Cons.

What a perfect finale.

[Bama Llama 1,450]

Boffo socko! Standing O. I kept waiting for the sudden violent something that ended Jimmy Saul’s life. No.

Love conquers all.

And those diamonds are still scattered in the gunk at the bottom of that dumpster. Jeffie? Are you still there?

[Quagmire 2,147]

When the guy on the bus started sweating I thought Saul was gonna get shanked , or they were trying an escape and he’d end up shot

[HouTex 1,866]

So Kim goes back to the law in New Mexico?  The NM bar might have a problem with her affidavit and the DA would be duty bound to give it to them.  Howard’s widow would still use it in her civil case although Saul’s stunt in the courtroom might help a bit.  

[Al_4_ISU 12,452]

1 minute ago, HouTex said:

So Kim goes back to the law in New Mexico?  The NM bar might have a problem with her affidavit and the DA would be duty bound to give it to them.  Howard’s widow would still use it in her civil case although Saul’s stunt in the courtroom might help a bit.  

I don't think she went back to the law (outside of maybe continuing to volunteer with legal aid).  I think she just flashed the card to get into the prison.

I think she's still living a mundane life in Florida, getting Yepped once a week or so.

Edited August 16, 2022 by Al_4_ISU

[HouTex 1,866]

4 minutes ago, Al_4_ISU said:

I don't think she went back to the law (outside of maybe continuing to volunteer with legal aid).  I think she just flashed the card to get into the prison.

I think she's still living a mundane life in Florida, getting Yepped once a week or so.

Makes sense.  So flashing her old bar card was yet another misrepresentation.  

[Francisco 2.0 32,389]

Just now, HouTex said:

Makes sense.  So flashing her old bar card was yet another misrepresentation.  

 

She scammed her way into prison for one last chance to see Jimmy.  Perfect sense, and something that Jimmy could appreciate.

 

 

[Pam Cummings 9,639]

"We always end up having the same conversation, don't we?"

 

Missed Chuck and his crazy ways, good scene there.

[chainsaw 9,859]

9 hours ago, billfromlaketravis said:

Things I liked : 

- The final shot. Brilliant.

- Bringing Chuck back. The Time Machine was a nice touch. 

- The smoke with Kim.

- Bring Walt back and reminding of us of just how big an asshole he was. His disdain for Saul and Saul reacting to it felt very real. 

 

Things I didn’t like: 

- The dumb ass chant on the bus. Uh what? 

- No sane person is going to take 86 years when 7 is on the table. 

- ADX Montrose = ADX Florence. The Alcatraz of the Rockies. Prisoners there are locked down 23 hours and a day and get to work out in metal, outdoor cage for 1 hour. There’s no working in the kitchen or playing basketball bullshit.  Prisoners never interact with one another. If I know this, the writers do as well.

Why would Saul need to be placed in Supermax? That made no sense to me, if Montrose is supposed to be Florence.

[chainsaw 9,859]

9 hours ago, billfromlaketravis said:

7 years in a federal prison isn’t easy. I didn’t buy that plea as some bastardization of the US Legal System. Saul didn’t plan, or participate in any of the murders. 7 years for some RICO predicates, drug trafficking, and money laundering sounds about right. Saul didn’t have any prior convictions, and he wasn’t a member of an organized crime group. 

 

[dcbc 14,465]

9 hours ago, Trey3216 said:

The “dumbass” chant on the bus was because Saul had probably got half their friends/families out of harsher sentencing.  He was a hero to criminals.   So they treated him like a king.  His “lawyer buddy” asked him from the jump “where do you expect to get with all the evidence against you” and Saul said “on top where I belong”.   Saul came clean, as much mentally as in reality, and freed his mind.  Then he’s on the bus going to Federal Pound me in the ass Prison and the inmates treat him like a god.  He still went out on top.   

He's Jimmy in Kim's eyes.  He's Saul in their eyes.  Something about the duality of man.

[Trey3216 15,345]

3 minutes ago, dcbc said:

He's Jimmy in Kim's eyes.  He's Saul in their eyes.  Something about the duality of man.

Still in the gray.  Yet another Black and White scene.  

[Prepuce of Doom 21,056]

6 minutes ago, Trey3216 said:

Still in the gray.  Yet another Black and White scene.  

The flame from the cigarette lighter and the smoldering ember of the cigarette were in color. 

Edited August 16, 2022 by Prepuce of Doom

[jeevsie 3,733]

Out-fucking-standing!

Nobody yet?? Guess I will:

[dcbc 14,465]

Out of all the criminals in the Breaking Bad universe, Saul's conviction pays for all.  Yeah, Tuco went away for a while, but Saul is the only one to catch a sentence for Gus's, Walt's, and Jesse's empire.  He pays for their sins.  He's Breaking Bad Jesus. 

Edited August 16, 2022 by dcbc

[Prepuce of Doom 21,056]

14 minutes ago, jeevsie said:

Out-fucking-standing!

Nobody yet?? Guess I will:

Would have been better with the Derka gunfighter/rocketship ass gif, but it appears to have been removed from the internet. 

Edited August 16, 2022 by Prepuce of Doom

[shadow_operative 15,932]

53 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

 

She scammed her way into prison for one last chance to see Jimmy.  Perfect sense, and something that Jimmy could appreciate.

 

 

but she didn't tell jimmy she scammed her way in, she said she was legit.

Edited August 16, 2022 by shadow_operative

[RPM 26,318]

Just got to watch and one thing I noticed that I don't think anyone has mentioned (I fast forwarded through this thread) was during the B/W cigarette scene the only bit of color was the flame and the glow of the cig. Very Vince cinematography. The cameos were perfect. Great wrap to the BB universe, but I still want a Kim spinoff.

[RPM 26,318]

6 minutes ago, shadow_operative said:

but she didn't tell jimmy she scammed her way in, she said she was legit.

No, she told him how she scammed her way in. "Turns out there's no expiration date on the New Mexico Bar card."

[huge 3,793]

9 minutes ago, shadow_operative said:

but she didn't tell jimmy she scammed her way in, she said she was legit.

What are you talking about, she said her NMex bar card didn't have an expiration date on it.  

[Juicy 725]

10 hours ago, DanTheHorn said:

7 to 86 was not in Jimmy's  nature regardless of how much he loves Kim.

My only complaint. 

I guess pussy really is undefeated. 

[shadow_operative 15,932]

13 minutes ago, RPM said:

No, she told him how she scammed her way in. "Turns out there's no expiration date on the New Mexico Bar card."

i'm not understanding how that's a scam, please explain it to me. 

edit- so she was saying that her license is in fact invalid, but that it just doesn't say that on her id. got it.

Edited August 16, 2022 by shadow_operative

[shadow_operative 15,932]

how did saul's speech save kim from potentially facing a civil suit?

[Skipper 6,128]

1 minute ago, shadow_operative said:

how did saul's speech save kim from potentially facing a civil suit?

I don't think it necessarily did.  I think whatever happened with Kim was left an open question (I mean is it really worth the time and money for Hamlin's widow to obtain a "judgment" against someone with no material assets - who knows).  I don't think it was about saving Kim.  It was about wanting to regain her respect after she confessed and is facing the music.

[dcbc 14,465]

7 minutes ago, shadow_operative said:

i'm not understanding how that's a scam, please explain it to me. 

edit- so she was saying that her license is in fact invalid, but that it just doesn't say that on her id. got it.

She resigned from the bar.  She does not have a valid law license.  She still has her bar card, which has no expiration date.  The only way she got in to see him was by saying she was his lawyer and showed them her bar card to do it.

[RPM 26,318]

5 minutes ago, shadow_operative said:

i'm not understanding how that's a scam, please explain it to me. 

edit- so she was saying that her license is in fact invalid, but that it just doesn't say that on her id. got it.

She turned in her license to the Bar before she went to FLA. Remember when she told the Judge during a motion hearing she requested then quit?

[billfromlaketravis 11,448]

Has anybody listened to the official podcast? I’ll listen for explanations, but I’m not listening to another 90 minutes of the crew patting themselves on the back. 

[crony 359]

Did Jimmy transfer to another prison at the end? The back of his last shirt said BCDC (Bernalillo County) and not ADX Montrose when going through his suits/cinnabon shirt on the hanging rack.