Texas Basketball 2022-23

[Herpa Derpa 6125]

5 hours ago, shadow_operative said:

they're both going to leave school after this year. after winning the ncaa title they'll both have creeped their way into first round picks, and it will be time for them to pursue new goals. 

It can be a bitch replacing multiple first-rounders after winning a title. But I have faith Beard will put a team on the floor next year that can still repeat. Tough but doable.

[shadow_operative 15932]

really crunk that gonzaga pulled out the win vs sparty. we'll be hosting the no.2 team in. the cpu try this wednesday. can't wait! 🤘🏼 

[Brian Fantana 6685]

cpu try

[Pancho 44763]

So used to Texas losing in football that I’m only mad for like an hour or so.

 

I’m stoked this year about our team. Beard, if you’re reading this, I can be the team leadership captain!

[SL Xpress 7513]

11 minutes ago, Pancho said:

So used to Texas losing in football that I’m only mad for like an hour or so.

 

I’m stoked this year about our team. Beard, if you’re reading this, I can be the team leadership captain!

It helps A LOT for me we got rid of Smart and got Beard. For almost a decade it was such a ball kicking I became a volleyball superfan to escape. 

[MotownHorn 1762]

On 11/10/2022 at 10:01 PM, shadow_operative said:

 

i am so sick of the whining. here; bathe in how wrong you are:

Wow this is normal 😬

[Valmy77 13226]

Why are you popping into our threads to shit on Rick Barnes? Dude hasn't coached for seven years.

[realgreggym 835]

and just got beat by a team that got beat by Grambling. by 9 points. At least it wasn't Chaminade.

[jimmyjazz 45907]

2 hours ago, MotownHorn said:

Wow this is normal 😬

Whoa.  I never watched the video until you quoted it.  That's seriously pathetic.

I don't know about @MotownHorn, but I never claimed Texas was highly ranked throughout January and February and THEN flamed out.  I simply pointed out the fact that Rick Barnes could get his teams to a very high ranking early on and then things would tend to fall apart.

 

Using the AP poll, some examples would include:

2008-2009:  Peak #5 (Dec 15) --> #25 (Feb 23)

2009-2010:  Peak #1 (Jan 11/18) --> #21 (Feb 22)

2010-2011:  Peak #3 (Jan 31 Feb 7/14) --> #10 (Mar 7) (not a big collapse)

2014-2015:  Peak #6 (Dec 1) --> #25 (Feb 2)

 

I wish I had time to shoot a rambling 5 minute video with maybe an HCU screenshot on my TV.  I'll try harder next time.

 

[shadow_operative 15932]

46 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

I don't know about @MotownHorn, but I never claimed Texas was highly ranked throughout January and February and THEN flamed out. 

 

lol, well that's exactly what motown said, and it's exactly what i responded to. you then come in with "un fucking believe, it's as if derka didn't pay attention during those three years." nope. it's as if you didn't pay attention to what we were talking about, but still insisted that your tangential two cents was valid. 

jimmy you can't even keep up with what we're talking about but then you have to nerve to come in here with the "un fucking believable/are you even paying attention?!?" BS. lol. but uh, whatever makes you feel superior. 👌🏼 

Edited November 14, 2022 by shadow_operative

[shadow_operative 15932]

also, i'm really glad we're all rehashing this days later, rekindling the argument. that's great stuff. really productive. shouts out morgantown horn for his routinely toxic posting and shouts out to the morons who feed into his BS. you're all really making this a fun place to be. 🤘🏼 

[shadow_operative 15932]

what you call pathetic i call a clearly mentally ill person in a manic episode. but thanks for the feedback. and thanks for all of the shit talk and arguing when you literally don't even know what we're discussing. great stuff all around.

morgantown horn: "this very specific thing happened every year."

me: "no it didn't, it happened once, look, here is the proof."

jimmyjzz: JFC Derka, do you even pay attention?!?!? (proceeds to say something completely different from motown horn, all while being a sanctimonious twat). 

 

 

seriously, well done. 

Edited November 14, 2022 by shadow_operative

[jimmyjazz 45907]

It didn't happen just once, Derka.  More than one person has posted the evidence.

[ztejas 43419]

Holy shit shut the fuck up about fucking Rick Barnes. 

[SL Xpress 7513]

I like it. At least people are talking about basketball. Not a conversation I want to take part in, but I enjoy reading the drama. 

[KingBobo81 535]

So, rather than arguing about a coach who left seven years ago...anybody want to talk about Gonzaga? I didn't get a chance to watch the MSU game - what are we looking at this year? I know they lost Holmgren and a few other guys. I'm hoping for a vastly different outcome in a couple days.

[ztejas 43419]

9 minutes ago, KingBobo81 said:

So, rather than arguing about a coach who left seven years ago...anybody want to talk about Gonzaga? I didn't get a chance to watch the MSU game - what are we looking at this year? I know they lost Holmgren and a few other guys. I'm hoping for a vastly different outcome in a couple days.

I expect us to win. 

[Red Five 40855]

Didn't realize that Gonzaga game tips at 8:30. Gonna be up past my bedtime. 

[ztejas 43419]

Just now, Red Five said:

Didn't realize that Gonzaga game tips at 8:30. Gonna be up past my bedtime. 

Holy shit that's ridiculous. Can we not play a game at a normal time? 

[jimmyjazz 45907]

9 minutes ago, ztejas said:

Holy shit that's ridiculous. Can we not play a game at a normal time? 

I assume they're trying to pull in as many west coast viewers as possible?  It's really not that much of a burden for anyone who isn't in the Eastern time zone.

[MotownHorn 1762]

13 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

Whoa.  I never watched the video until you quoted it.  That's seriously pathetic.

I didn't watch it. Ain't nobody got time for that. Insane behavior though.

The Zags looked vulnerable against Michigan State but it's hard to tell from a game on a fucking aircraft carrier. That's about the worst possible place to play a basketball game. What's next? Soccer matches on nuclear subs?

[Red Five 40855]

5 minutes ago, MotownHorn said:

What's next? Soccer matches on nuclear subs?

Soccer is unwatchable but I would watch that.

[Bevo 13576]

6 minutes ago, MotownHorn said:

I didn't watch it. Ain't nobody got time for that. Insane behavior though.

The Zags looked vulnerable against Michigan State but it's hard to tell from a game on a fucking aircraft carrier. That's about the worst possible place to play a basketball game. What's next? Soccer matches on nuclear subs?

That would be pretty fun. Maybe next would be to play outdoors by the beach.

[MuellerHorn 4230]

2 hours ago, ztejas said:

Holy shit shut the fuck up about fucking Rick Barnes. 

Yes, take it to a thread about Barnes. This exact argument plays out every three months or so. Do it somewhere else, please.

[SL Xpress 7513]

You guys are like, “Break it up. Break it up!”

While I’m pulling out my phone and streaming to social media, screaming, “It’s a fight! It’s a fight!”

[Herpa Derpa 6125]

4 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

I assume they're trying to pull in as many west coast viewers as possible?  It's really not that much of a burden for anyone who isn't in the Eastern time zone.

It's a burden I will bear for never having a kickoff before noon.

 

4 hours ago, MotownHorn said:

The Zags looked vulnerable against Michigan State but it's hard to tell from a game on a fucking aircraft carrier. That's about the worst possible place to play a basketball game.

I think a game in that setup will mess with a player's shot for a bit as they adjust back to a normal gym/arena. We'll see if it takes a bit for the Zags to hit from distance.

 

4 hours ago, Red Five said:

Soccer is unwatchable but I would watch that.

Only if its at sea and anyone flopping gets tossed into the water.

[Jebus 1306]

4 hours ago, SL Xpress said:

You guys are like, “Break it up. Break it up!”

While I’m pulling out my phone and streaming to social media, screaming, “It’s a fight! It’s a fight!”

Worldstar!

[Ignatius 4017]

here are the years under barnes where texas was ranked in the top 10 in janurary/february, and their tourney results:
2011: ranked no.3 in kenpom, we were screwed by the committee and given a 4 seed, and then lost on a blown call vs an arizona team that went to the EE
2010: total crash and burn
2008: went to the Elite 8
2006: went to the Elite 8
2004: went to the Sweet 16 with a team that had no business being ranked that highly or going that far. outstanding coaching job by Barnes
2003: went to the Final 4
 
so, what you describe as happening every. fucking. year. actually happened once under barnes. once.
your obsession with that man and insistence on whining about him every time you post is super sad. in fact, if you make one more dumbass, uninformed, inflammatory post like this then i suggest that immamac permanently change your handle to "Rick Barnes Lover." you're seriously sad dude. 

I wouldn’t say the 2004 team had ‘no business’ going as far as the Sweet 16…


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[shadow_operative 15932]

38 minutes ago, Ignatius said:

I wouldn’t say the 2004 team had ‘no business’ going as far as the Sweet 16…


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i mean, to lose TJ Ford and to take this roster:

and win 25 games and finish the season ranked #12 is pretty much outstanding. i'm not sure how many HC's in the country would have done as much with that roster, a roster with 0 NBA-ready talent on it. 

[Revolution512 1487]

I remember Digger picking that group to the Final Four, maybe his champ. Lots of experience but not a complete group. That Xavier loss stung though. 

[shadow_operative 15932]

eleven guys playing 11 mpg or more, on a roster with one All Conference player. our last coach loses 20+ with that roster, and half the players probably transfer the next year. that was an outstanding coaching job that season. 

[Ignatius 4017]

25 minutes ago, shadow_operative said:

i mean, to lose TJ Ford and to take this roster:

and win 25 games and finish the season ranked #12 is pretty much outstanding. i'm not sure how many HC's in the country would have done as much with that roster, a roster with 0 NBA-ready talent on it. 

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it wasn't a great coaching job, but without going back and adding it up, I'll bet the starting 5 for this year had more games played together than any tournament team in Texas history in the 'modern' (i.e. dudes didn't stay four years) era...

[hobbes2702 13032]

1 hour ago, Ignatius said:

I wouldn’t say the 2004 team had ‘no business’ going as far as the Sweet 16…


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I would. They didn’t have a point guard and Brandon Mouton was the best offensive player lol 

[shadow_operative 15932]

5 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

I would. They didn’t have a point guard and Brandon Mouton was the best offensive player lol 

and james thomas was a shell of his former self due to injuries, and buckman had regressed as well. that team is probably the ultimate example of what barnes does better than just about anyone, which is take a bunch of random pieces, some glue, and some duct tape, and then maximizes its capabilities as a team. that entire roster outside of mouton is nothing but role players.

[HookEm 2467]

I mean, that team had two NBA players on it in Ivey and PJ and a lot of other very highly rated players out of high school. I wouldn’t exactly say it was an unprecedented coaching job. 

[HookEm 2467]

Actually make that three NBA players. Forgot James Thomas played a bit in the NBA as well.

[shadow_operative 15932]

6 minutes ago, HookEm said:

I mean, that team had two NBA players on it in Ivey and PJ and a lot of other very highly rated players out of high school. I wouldn’t exactly say it was an unprecedented coaching job. 

that's pretty disingenuous. PJ was a freshman who two years later still wasn't even close to being NBA ready after his *junior* season, while Ivey averaged 3 ppg for his NBA career and was kept around more for his locker room presence/coaching ability than anything he did on the court. no team that has to play 11 guys 11+ mpg has any business being anywhere near the top 10 or the sweet 16. most coaches don't even make the tourney with that roster.

Edited November 15, 2022 by shadow_operative

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That is an impressive coaching story especially with our shooting guards and Buckman in the post, all shooting below 39% from the field.  Tucker would go on to become a force down the road, and Ivey was an all-world defender in college and NBA.  But that is not a very imposing roster, even in hindsight.  

I still remember that UNC game in the 2nd round with Buckman stepping up.  But we hit a really good Xavier team in the Sweet 16.  I remember watching that game at Boomerz on 290 in far South Austin.  I remember we had a chance to win the league title the last 1 or 2 games but blew it, back when Kansas winning the league was standard operating procedure.  

Impressive to look at Barnes first 14 years, at least .500 in the Big XII including 10 seasons of double-digit wins or better.  I still like the guy, always will.  

[shadow_operative 15932]

just went and checked the box score from the Xavier game:

lol @ people in here being all "ho hum" about that ^^^ team finishing the season ranked #12, winning two conference tourney games, and going to the sweet 16. that's an outstanding coaching job there. really, really impressive. 

[KingBobo81 535]

One of the things that chapped my hide during the 2000s was the unbalanced conference schedule - the rest of the big 12 north was generally horrific…Kansas had such a huge advantage playing bottom feeders twice a year while the south (with the exception of some really bad Aggy and Baylor teams) had to fight it out. It made it nearly impossible for a south team to win the regular season conference title.


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[shadow_operative 15932]

3 minutes ago, KingBobo81 said:

One of the things that chapped my hide during the 2000s was the unbalanced conference schedule - the rest of the big 12 north was generally horrific…Kansas had such a huge advantage playing bottom feeders twice a year while the south (with the exception of some really bad Aggy and Baylor teams) had to fight it out. It made it nearly impossible for a south team to win the regular season conference title.


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the South was fierce too. Texas teams with James Thomas and Brian Boddicker, OU with Hollis Price, Eduardo Najera, and Kevin Bookout, then OSU teams with guys like Tony Allen leading the way. the big XII South was just as physically tough as any other region in the country, including the big east.

[shadow_operative 15932]

i didn't even include baylor, and they were murdering each other.

[YGIFS 19450]

Yeah, I guess that was before ISU and KSU and Mizzou were all consistently good.  Usually one would be competitive, the other two average, and then Nebraska and Colorado just waiting to suck.  The South was already far more balanced and competitive than the North back then.  Yeah, if we had played a round-robin during many years of Barnes...Texas would have brought home at least 1 or 2 more conference championships (just based on %winning regular season) and had more favorable seeds in the Big Dance leading to perhaps a couple more Sweet 16's/Elite 8's.  

Of course to be balanced, you gotta look at his 2009-10 team.  Complete trainwreck down the stretch (7-10 in their last 17).  One of his more loaded rosters that didn't have Ford or Durant.  #1 in the country for a couple weeks, tracking for conference title and Final Four.  And he shit the bed, barely finished above .500 and was bounced in the first round by Wake Forest team that was barely above average themselves.  

[HookEm 2467]

Mouton was a bad-ass. The year before he was 2nd Team All-Big 12 and made the NCAA Tourney all-region team.

Ivey was the returning Big-12 Defensive PoY (by some publications)

James Thomas was a returning 2nd Team All Big12 / 1st Team All Defense player

Boddicker was a heavily contributing former McDonald’s All-American senior.

Buckman was another McDonald’s All-American coming off a 1st team Big12 Freshman season.

I don’t think making a Sweet 16 with a squad like that is overachieving.  Any team that has two McDonalds All-Americans on it that returns 75% of their points and minutes should do pretty well.

Now Barnes should get credit for recruiting and retaining those players. And for their development. But not the “shocking” Sweet 16.

[shadow_operative 15932]

6 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

Yeah, I guess that was before ISU and KSU and Mizzou were all consistently good.  Usually one would be competitive, the other two average, and then Nebraska and Colorado just waiting to suck.  The South was already far more balanced and competitive than the North back then.  Yeah, if we had played a round-robin during many years of Barnes...Texas would have brought home at least 1 or 2 more conference championships (just based on %winning regular season) and had more favorable seeds in the Big Dance leading to perhaps a couple more Sweet 16's/Elite 8's.  

Of course to be balanced, you gotta look at his 2009-10 team.  Complete trainwreck down the stretch (7-10 in their last 17).  One of his more loaded rosters that didn't have Ford or Durant.  #1 in the country for a couple weeks, tracking for conference title and Final Four.  And he shit the bed, barely finished above .500 and was bounced in the first round by Wake Forest team that was barely above average themselves.  

i went to watch that team beat unc at jerryworld and then again two days later to watch them beat sparty back in austin, and to this day i am still in disbelief at how that season crashed and burned. i'd never seen Texas basketball play so well and look so dominant, and then just three months later the team was a shell of itself. still doesn't seem possible. 

[YGIFS 19450]

Shit, I forgot those games were back-to-back.  We went to both as well (our view at AT&T was fucking horrible).  And yeah, I thought that year had Final Four (maybe not title, but FF) written all over it.  We could never, even with our best teams, get over that Duke neutral game hump and never close out Sunday in the Big XII tournament.  Two of his many achille's heels.  

Well, we shall see where this squad is soon enough.  48 hours from now, the 2nd half will begin against Gonzaga.  

[shadow_operative 15932]

17 minutes ago, HookEm said:

Mouton was a bad-ass. The year before he was 2nd Team All-Big 12 and made the NCAA Tourney all-region team.

Ivey was the returning Big-12 Defensive PoY (by some publications)

James Thomas was a returning 2nd Team All Big12 / 1st Team All Defense player

Boddicker was a heavily contributing former McDonald’s All-American senior.

Buckman was another McDonald’s All-American coming off a 1st team Big12 Freshman season.

I don’t think making a Sweet 16 with a squad like that is overachieving.  Any team that has two McDonalds All-Americans on it that returns 75% of their points and minutes should do pretty well.

Now Barnes should get credit for recruiting and retaining those players. And for their development. But not the “shocking” Sweet 16.

Mouton was a badass role player. As the team's alpha player he was an inconsistent volume shooter who was elite at nothing.

I don't think i need to explain to anyone here who Ivey was as a player. he's certainly not anyone's idea of a foundational PG for a sweet 16 team.

James Thomas's body had been ravaged by injuries and he was a net negative player who wasn't even getting minutes by the end of the year.

brian boddicker is a specialist player, a pick and pop guy who shoots open jumpers and annoys opponents. his HS accolades have nothing to do with who he was as a player in 2004.

Brad Buckman is another role player whose HS accolades have nothing to do with anything. pointing to him as if he was some sort of weapon is silly.

 

again, any team that has to play 11 guys double digit minutes should never ever approach being a top 10 team or a S16 team. if having two QB's means you have no QB, then having 11 guys who play 11+ minutes means you are seriously scrambling to put together a functioning team because all of your players are mediocre. that, or you're some d-3 cosch with some gimmicky HAVOC type system.

this team lacked shooting, athleticism, a PG, NBA talent, All-League talent, you name it. again, most coaches don't even make the tourney with that squad. the idea that that coaching performance was no big deal is laughable.

Edited November 15, 2022 by shadow_operative

[hobbes2702 13032]

12 minutes ago, HookEm said:

Mouton was a bad-ass. The year before he was 2nd Team All-Big 12 and made the NCAA Tourney all-region team.

Ivey was the returning Big-12 Defensive PoY (by some publications)

James Thomas was a returning 2nd Team All Big12 / 1st Team All Defense player

Boddicker was a heavily contributing former McDonald’s All-American senior.

Buckman was another McDonald’s All-American coming off a 1st team Big12 Freshman season.

I don’t think making a Sweet 16 with a squad like that is overachieving.  Any team that has two McDonalds All-Americans on it that returns 75% of their points and minutes should do pretty well.

Now Barnes should get credit for recruiting and retaining those players. And for their development. But not the “shocking” Sweet 16.

Having watched those teams very very regularly I can say with certainty that Mouton was absolutely not a “bad ass”.
James Thomas was an absolute zero on offense 

Boddiker could shoot the 3 on occasion that was about it.

Buckman as a McDs AA is crazy to think about now. 
 

[jimmyjazz 45907]

36 minutes ago, shadow_operative said:

Eduardo Najera

Thanks for the nightmare flashback.  OU seems to often have a guy that just balls against us.  Ryan Minor comes to mind, both in basketball and baseball, although earlier.

Acie Law was the A&M guy who drove me nuts.

[HookEm 2467]

If you turn 2 McDonalds All Americans into role players does that make you a great coach?