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McCroskey

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This is probably making me grade it a little harsher than I would have if I had seen it a year and a half ago when it was supposed to come out.  After all of the postponements and hype I think I built up the excitement in my head a little too much and it made the let down worse.

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CooterBrown

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It was perfectly fine.

My only real beef was the main bad guy had no real motivation or a clear goal.

Also, how do these guys find and recruit all these workers? Does he offer a 401k and a good work/life balance? I’d like to see a movie from the perspective of the evil organization’s HR manager.

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Just now, CooterBrown said:

It was perfectly fine.

My only real beef was the main bad guy had no real motivation or a clear goal.

Also, how do these guys find and recruit all these workers? Does he offer a 401k and a good work/life balance? I’d like to see a movie from the perspective of the evil organization’s HR manager.

Funny.  I saw the movie this afternoon. I enjoyed if for what it is. I also was wondering about the workers in the factory as well about their pay or thoughts about what they are doing.

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ok i've had time to digest the movie a bit more and to also separate myself from the disaster that occurred at fair park an hour before i watched it.  if i ignore everything the books were and focus on this movie as the ending to a 5 part series it's fine.  yes the plot line is a bit ridiculous and the motivations of the characters are tenuously believable at best but i think the way they sent off craig's bond was fitting-  it's what he wanted.  Also we got a few minutes of ana de armas auditioning to be a bond girl. 

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Brandywine

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I went and saw it this afternoon and honestly I liked it. You're correct that it has issues. It doesn't really feel like a typical Bond movie and it did seem bloated with way too many characters and shoot outs, chases. As well as, trying to bring in all the major characters from the past Craig films for one last hurrah. There could have been some tighter editing. But, that saying, I didn't feel it was too long, but my wife did. Hans Zimmer's score was a disappointment, it was not as melodic as he normally does or original as I thought it would be, borrowing from one or two scores from the past. I will say that Billie Eilish's song was better than I gave it credit. It fit a Daniel Craig Bond film. Ana de Armas was great in it. Beautiful, funny and a real kick ass. 

 

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Billy Pilgrim

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I’m a little bit worried that the franchise going forward is going to focus on THAT 007. Please put my mind at ease and say it ain’t so.

Also- Q started talking about nanorobots and all I could do was roll my eyes and think they got the idea for the story from the episode if the office where Dwight got put in charge of picking out a health plan.

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40 minutes ago, Billy Pilgrim said:

I’m a little bit worried that the franchise going forward is going to focus on THAT 007. Please put my mind at ease and say it ain’t so.

Also- Q started talking about nanorobots and all I could do was roll my eyes and think they got the idea for the story from the episode if the office where Dwight got put in charge of picking out a health plan.

The future is now

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Harrison Bergeron

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On 10/11/2021 at 1:33 PM, Buzzrock said:

Paloma should be in the next Bond:

https://screenrant.com/no-time-die-ana-armas-paloma-return-bond-26/

I agree.

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Second. She was the highlight of the movie. Unfortunately, her exit and her scene setup - hey, all the members of this super secret international terror organization get together for a Cattle Baron's Ball - were two of the stupid parts of a movie with a lot of stupid parts. 

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Second. She was the highlight of the movie. Unfortunately, her exit and her scene setup - hey, all the members of this super secret international terror organization get together for a Cattle Baron's Ball - were two of the stupid parts of a movie with a lot of stupid parts. 

I hate that I agree with you. That whole scene and premise was just very weird and it pulled me out of the movie at the time.

I have been thinking about it a lot though. I’ll watch it again when it’s streaming and I have three hours to kill this winter.
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(Spoilers abound - if you haven't seen it don't read or do read it, idgaf, honestly)

It was really good. Easily 2nd to Casino for me for the Craig set. I never dug Skyfall as much as some others but that would be the only other one you could even attempt to argue over this one - in my humble opinion. There are plenty of issues to nitpick - and I will - but they hardly distracted from a very quality film. I'll start with the good.

First of all - the direction was superb. I didn't know who this guy was when they flashed the name in the opening credits but he's definitely a name to watch for me going forward. The plot wasn't super tight but it also wasn't confusing and the pacing and editing was maybe as good as I've ever seen from a Bond film. The action was engaging and crisp - it was funny but never got too silly or light. Just a really good job by Fukunuaga who - now looking at it - had done True Detective and a bunch of bullshit previous to this. Huge moment for him.

The ending was extremely poignant. Almost a little too heavy for a Bond film but I get it - it's the last hurrah. Blow it out. And they did.

The 00 sister they introduced is a total bad bitch and I'd 100% tune in to see a spin off with her or whatever (although I don't think that's the direction they're going in necessarily). Anyone uncomfortable with that seems old and probably white (and by white I mean culturally - not ethnically) and needs to get with the times. She was a huge strong suit for me.

Some mixed bag stuff - the CIA villain (is that Hammer's brother?) was great and wished he had got more screen time. They introduced him as kind of a weiner and then he kind of showed himself to be a bad mofo then they straight killed him off. Idk. Is what it is I guess. 

Hans Zimmer veered a little too close to Batman for me. And the Bond stuff has existed forever and isn't a credit to whoever is doing the score. I guess he was fine. Certainly not his best work. 

On a similar point - the vibe got a little too Nolany and - without knowing - I would assume Fukunaga is a huge Nolan nerd. That isn't totally a bad thing but it detracted a bit from the "Bondness" of it. Some of the last half hour felt like (again) Batman.

Oh - one I forgot about - Bond's body count was RIDICULOUS. He must have wasted 30 guys at the missile silo alone.

Some bad stuff. Malek is a totally overrated actor. I like the guy and he's had some great moments but overall his range sucks and his villain sucked. Waltz was way better and they may as well just have had it recenter on him. Compared to Mikkelsen and Bardem (which is a super high fucking standard) he wasn't shit and as someone pointed out his endgame was never really made clear.

Introducing Felix to quickly kill him off was kind of bizarre. Just write him out. Bond's end motivation had nothing to do with Felix - everything to do with Madeleine and Matild (sp.?).

The BRITAIN SAVES THE WORLD shit was stupid. No issue with making the CIA dude a villain - but then the end turning into WE HAVE TO DO WHAT'S RIGHT FOR THE WORLD - AMERICA AND RUSSIA WON'T UNDERSTAND! LAUNCH THE MISSILES! made me roll my eyes. The world hasn't run through London in 100 years. Suspension of disbelief I guess. 

The Madeleine backstory was murky and never really explained. As was Malek's backstory.

Overall - very pretty, very fun, well-acted and good dialouge - didn't feel like almost 3 hours - plenty of flaws but overall didn't detract or distract too much. A ton of great moments. 

I'd see it again.

(Random note - Vesper being 22/23 in Casino cracked me up. Eva was 25 when they filmed that and played a few years older. Ain't no 22 year old girl acting like that.)

(Another note - pretty sure I saw Beasts of No Name at some point and liked it okay. Haven't even heard of his other stuff)

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Also - I will concede this - in was my first movie in theaters in almost 2 years and I saw it on a decent IMAX screen. That totally could have colored my impression favorably. It was very fun to experience the difference between the big screen and at home again. Almost novel.

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ztejas

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1 minute ago, Billy Pilgrim said:

That 007 was not attractive nor a good actress. If you want it to be an AA female, make it the chick who’s playing moneypenny- at least she’s hot. 

Great, substantative comment. I hope to continue discussing film with you in the future.

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22 hours ago, Billy Pilgrim said:

That 007 was not attractive nor a good actress. If you want it to be an AA female, make it the chick who’s playing moneypenny- at least she’s hot. 

Naomie Harris - born London, England.

Lashana Lynch - born London, England.

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On 10/15/2021 at 8:19 PM, ztejas said:

Also - I will concede this - in was my first movie in theaters in almost 2 years and I saw it on a decent IMAX screen. That totally could have colored my impression favorably. It was very fun to experience the difference between the big screen and at home again. Almost novel.

This was my first time back since March of last year. I think the last movie I saw was that Harrison Ford movie Call of the Wild. 

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On 10/16/2021 at 10:10 PM, UpperWestside said:

I finally had some free time and just got through watching it. It is not my favorite Bond movie, but I enjoyed it. There was really not going to be a great way for this to end, but it was still well done. I am actually excited to see what comes next.

 

On 10/16/2021 at 10:12 PM, UpperWestside said:

This was my first time back since March of last year. I think the last movie I saw was that Harrison Ford movie Call of the Wild. 

Feel you on both comments. I understand anyone's perspective on liking or not liking it. Would like to hear more from this board, though. 

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Harrison Bergeron

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On 10/16/2021 at 10:10 PM, UpperWestside said:

I finally had some free time and just got through watching it. It is not my favorite Bond movie, but I enjoyed it. There was really not going to be a great way for this to end, but it was still well done. I am actually excited to see what comes next.

It will be interesting to see what they do ... I guess one choices are no more Bond or they pretend he actually did not die and start over with the new guy. 

I am far from an expert, but was Craig's tenure the only one where there was a macro plot that crossed films? IIRC, in previous iterations each movie was pretty standalone - maybe there was a few callbacks, but I do not recall a meta-narrative like Craig's movies.

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4 minutes ago, Harrison Bergeron said:

It will be interesting to see what they do ... I guess one choices are no more Bond or they pretend he actually did not die and start over with the new guy. 

I am far from an expert, but was Craig's tenure the only one where there was a macro plot that crossed films? IIRC, in previous iterations each movie was pretty standalone - maybe there was a few callbacks, but I do not recall a meta-narrative like Craig's movies.

The only significant series plot point that carried over into sequels was the death of Tracy Bond at the end of OHMSS and Bond's pursuit of Blofeld afterwards. His marriage/loss is mentioned several different times afterwards with different Bond actors.

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this thing was a mess imo.  the premise wasn't really bad as over the top world destruction and bond saves the day goes.  Making M a pathetic old man was very much anti-bond.  the new 007 was not good in that role at all.  Craig seemed old as well, and most of this whole thing seemed forced.  The villain was an all time weak version, and bordered on absurd while having a very thin plot.  So far remove from LeChiffe who was a fantastic villain and realistic more or less.  his reason for being in deep shit was crystal clear and realistic.  this didn't really resonate.  Bond's end made no real sense either.  liked ADA, love Moneypenny, and liked M until this movie.  Not sure where they go, but if they proceed with the woman 007/bond replacmeent and there is no more "james bond" in the franchise then that isn't going to be a money maker.  

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this thing was a mess imo.  the premise wasn't really bad as over the top world destruction and bond saves the day goes.  Making M a pathetic old man was very much anti-bond.  the new 007 was not good in that role at all.  Craig seemed old as well, and most of this whole thing seemed forced.  The villain was an all time weak version, and bordered on absurd while having a very thin plot.  So far remove from LeChiffe who was a fantastic villain and realistic more or less.  his reason for being in deep shit was crystal clear and realistic.  this didn't really resonate.  Bond's end made no real sense either.  liked ADA, love Moneypenny, and liked M until this movie.  Not sure where they go, but if they proceed with the woman 007/bond replacmeent and there is no more "james bond" in the franchise then that isn't going to be a money maker.  

Agreed.

Bond dealing with marriage issues and kids is too damn much.

They’ve killed the series.
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On 11/10/2021 at 2:41 PM, RPM said:

Surprised nobody has given a shout out to the 1987 Aston Martin V8 Vantage which is from a Timothy Dalton Bond film and has the same license plates.

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Oh, I fucking noticed.  
 

I enjoyed it.  It wasn’t a transcendent movie like Skyfall, but I had a good time. Of course the plot was ridiculous, it’s a Bond movie.  The motives of the bad guy’s are always dumb and weird.  But it was so much better than Spectre.

 

Agree with everyone else that de Armas stole the movie. 

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just finished watching at the newly reopened Alamo...first off, all we got was popcorn, split a Royal w/ Cheese, and the chocolate chip cookies for dessert...based on that, the kitchen is def back in the saddle, food was better than last time we went pre-covid. 

i enjoyed it... i've missed movies terribly and the previous two we tried were hugely disappointing, so this one fit the bill. 

i was not expecting the ending and it packed a surprisingly emotional impact! 

i thought there were a lot of cool throwbacks to previous Bonds gadget-wise. the car chases were better than the shootouts. agree on the insane body count. i thought it did a good job showing his change with age, love, etc, but i can see how some wouldn't appreciate that aspect.

love Christoph Waltz as always but his death was anticlimactic. agree that Malek is overrated...my thing with him is he was 100% absolutely perfect as Freddie Mercury, which he's done and deservedly got all the awards...but beyond that role he's too strange-looking and his voice is weird, which is why he was so good as Mercury.

glad we saw it in the theater. wish we'd seen Dune in one, but i didn't know enough about it to know better.

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10 hours ago, Brothahorn said:

Bond dealing with marriage issues and kids is too damn much.

Agree with this.  I liked Craig as Bond but ultimately he strayed too far from the character for me.  He spends the first 2 movies pining over Vesper and the last 2 over Mr White's daughter...that just isn't Bond.  He's cold, no attachments, and focused only on the mission.

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