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Rachel Dolezal (Former NAACP leader exposed as white faces fraud charges)

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Ladies and gentlemen (and those of you in between ;) ), here's the difference.  

Gender/Sexual Orientation = on a spectrum because people can literally be born on the fence of both genders.  it may be super rare, but it does happen.  You have people born as hermaphrodites, or gay/lesbian/bi, etc.   

Race = no one individual or generation morphs into a different race, they will always be the race they were born with.   

 

 

 

 

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Although technically, no one individual morphs into another gender correct? Someone who is born with a penis might be a female gender but they were born feeling that way, they didn’t just magically morph their identify from male gender to female gender in life, right? Or do I have that wrong?

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16 minutes ago, Shmitty said:

Ladies and gentlemen (and those of you in between ;) ), here's the difference.  

Gender/Sexual Orientation = on a spectrum because people can literally be born on the fence of both genders.  it may be super rare, but it does happen.  You have people born as hermaphrodites, or gay/lesbian/bi, etc.   

Race = no one individual or generation morphs into a different race, they will always be the race they were born with.   

 

 

 

 

Hmm are you sure? I’ll defer to celery on this one to judge, but my understanding was sex was specific and gender was the fluidity aspect and that was the main difference between the two (which even trans persons have admitted can be difficult for laymen and cisgendered to grasp and conceptialize at first, e.g a transperson is born with the sex F, but his gender is M (by way of identification). Do I have that right?

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Ok, not an expert just irked on conflating what Dolezal did with being trans. Gender is fluid but not just an artificial construct of society. Being a man feels different than being a woman, which is the inherent difficulty when the biology doesn’t match. Being black feels different than being white only because you have the experience of being black in a world where that is different than being white.

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45 minutes ago, Celery Man said:

Ok, not an expert just irked on conflating what Dolezal did with being trans. Gender is fluid but not just an artificial construct of society. Being a man feels different than being a woman, which is the inherent difficulty when the biology doesn’t match. Being black feels different than being white only because you have the experience of being black in a world where that is different than being white.

I hear what you are saying and I am tracking with ya, celery man. How I feel is that I think that transracial allies aren’t trying to take anything away from the journey and courage and struggle of the transperson but are trying to extend that same compassion and charity to the transracialist. I think without that hand out and non-judging/non-shaming, it is very hypocritical and reminds me of an early criticism the trans movement has/had from the GLBT community and their power, in that the GLBT community didn’t do a lot to help them, their brothers and sisters, at first. The transcommunity could be a source of strength and hope and aid for the early transracial community and in 10 years we might all be shocked at how transracial phobic our comments today sound!

again I don’t know your journey or backstory with respect to orientation or identification, but rock on! Peace

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Again, with gender, it is entirely possible to be born with parts and elements of both genders, literally.  With race, you are the race you were born with.  You're race doesn't morph, you can be mostly or clearly one race and part of another through genetics, but you that mix or percentage doesn't change one bit, whereas with gender, that can be altered.   Not sure why this is so hard to differentiate?

 

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On 5/25/2018 at 11:40 PM, Celery Man said:

 


The difference being that gender is fluid and the biology is less so. Someone is trans because the two don’t match. With race, there is no mismatch because the entire thing is a social construct. You can identify with black culture and immerse yourself in it. Pretending that you are and have always been a black person, and that you have the shared experience which is essentially what it is to be black when you do not - that’s different. She did an extreme version of that.

I guess it gets fuzzy if you don’t think that gender is actually fluid, or if you want to draw comparisons between what Dolezal did and maybe a trans woman really trying to fabricate a history as a cisgender female. But just a comparison of Dolezal to a transgender person, I don’t think it’s hard to see how that is different.

Is this any different than trans that have their birth certificate changed? If you have your dick chopped off and take hormones and call yourself Roberta, that's up to you. But you were born Bob.

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On 5/25/2018 at 11:40 PM, Celery Man said:

 


The difference being that gender is fluid and the biology is less so. Someone is trans because the two don’t match. With race, there is no mismatch because the entire thing is a social construct. You can identify with black culture and immerse yourself in it. Pretending that you are and have always been a black person, and that you have the shared experience which is essentially what it is to be black when you do not - that’s different. She did an extreme version of that.

I guess it gets fuzzy if you don’t think that gender is actually fluid, or if you want to draw comparisons between what Dolezal did and maybe a trans woman really trying to fabricate a history as a cisgender female. But just a comparison of Dolezal to a transgender person, I don’t think it’s hard to see how that is different.

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On 5/31/2018 at 9:08 PM, Sandman said:

Is this any different than trans that have their birth certificate changed? If you have your dick chopped off and take hormones and call yourself Roberta, that's up to you. But you were born Bob.

 reminds me of an episode of South Park where Mr.... Mrs. Garrison goes in to have an abortion and the doctor tells him that he isn't capable of getting pregnant, to which Mrs. Garrison replies:  "So you're telling me that i can't get pregnant and all i have is a mutilated penis?  Boy do i feel like a jackass."

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On 5/26/2018 at 4:01 PM, OatmealRaisinCookie said:

Look, i might be wrong about this and I’m sorry if so, but my understanding from trans people educating me on difference between gender and sex years ago led me to this understanding. If I’m wrong, I’m wrong but that doesn’t mean you should call me a woman name and engage in ad hominem. Lastly, I apologize if I’ve offended you in your journey or if I’ve assumed your gender, but when you have “man” in your name, one is quick to assume I guess.

 

 

It's Celery, man.

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Ok, not an expert just irked on conflating what Dolezal did with being trans. Gender is fluid but not just an artificial construct of society. Being a man feels different than being a woman, which is the inherent difficulty when the biology doesn’t match. Being black feels different than being white only because you have the experience of being black in a world where that is different than being white.


I don’t have strong feelings on this subject, but it seems like y’all are setting some arbitrary boundaries on what is or is not socially acceptable, mostly for the sake of having something to argue about.

Who cares if a man identifies as a woman?
Who cares if a white woman identifies as a black woman?

People do both all around us, which is just fine until they create a political social media firestorm or commit an actual crime like welfare fraud. For the non criminals who identify as something other than what their genetics specify, let them peacefully live their lives however they are most happy.
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... bump so like this thread was like all talkin' sex vs race construct or not construct or etc.  

Well... BINGO BANGO BONGO in a kind of backasswards Nostradamusian way, our gal Rachel has just blurred the sex line!!!!  Running out that all-important 5-hour publicity, she had to do something!  So now, we have...

Rachel the Bisexual!
 

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"I am bisexual," she wrote in an Instagram post Sunday. "Just because I have been married (briefly) to a man or have had children by male partners does not mean I am not bi.

"I am in absolutely no rush to explore a new relationship, but it still matters to stay visible."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/06/17/rachel-dolezal-shares-shes-bisexual-during-pride-month/1478536001/

Yeah, like that last quip isn't kinda, well, Freudian?  It still matters to stay visible.

Well one thing I do know, she is one fucked-up dudette.  I mean batshit whoo-wee-womp! 
I'm kinda runnin' out of things she can be "both or all" of.  What else ya got?

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