Rachel Dolezal (Former NAACP leader exposed as white faces fraud charges)

[JimmyHoffa 1188]

Whoops-

 

 

SPOKANE, Wash. (AP) — A former NAACP leader in Washington state whose life unraveled after she was exposed as a white woman pretending to be black has been charged with welfare fraud.

Nkechi Diallo, known as Rachel Dolezal before she legally changed her name in 2016, was charged this week with theft by welfare fraud, perjury and false verification for public assistance, Spokane news station KHQ-TV reported Thursday.

She illegally received $8,747 in food assistance and $100 in child care assistance from August 2015 through November 2017, court documents said.

An investigation started in March 2017 when a Washington state investigator received information that Diallo had written a book. The investigator reviewed Diallo's records and found that she had been reporting her income as usually less than $500 per month, court documents said.

A subpoena for her self-employment records, which included copies of her bank statements, showed Diallo had deposited nearly $84,000 into her bank account between August 2015 and September 2017, without reporting most of it to the Department of Social and Health Services.

The money came from authoring her memoir, "In Full Color," speaking engagements, soap making, doll making, and the sale of her art, according to the case file.

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/rachel-dolezal-accused-welfare-fraud-race-scandal-061933837.html

[Art Vandelay 1712]

I'm going to give her the benefit of a doubt. This case may not be as simple as black and white.

[Lhorn 4966]

26 minutes ago, JimmyHoffa said:

 

, soap making, doll making, and the sale of her art, according to the case file.

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/rachel-dolezal-accused-welfare-fraud-race-scandal-061933837.html

This income alone must have been enough to buy a cup of coffee.... she likes it black.

[AnonymousInternetPoster 163]

Once you "self-identify" as black, are you allowed to go back?

[Guest]

This lady cannot catch a break.

As horribly funny as it is, I do think that if you can't assume someone's gender then you shouldn't be able to assume someone's race either and if this was a lady who identified as a man and not a white lady identifying as a black lady, she would not have endured the same shame and ridicule and, without knowing more about this fraud case, potential scrutiny about some pretty run-of-the-mill anti-social/poor people behavior. The LGBT machine has been around a lot longer and wields substantial mindshare with the public in garnering sympathy and compassion compared to a crossing racial lines group, is my take.

[AnonymousInternetPoster 163]

Maybe if she had white-washed her finances a little better, she wouldn't have ended up being black-listed by the state.

[LW Goatman 1125]

2 minutes ago, OatmealRaisinCookie said:

This lady cannot catch a break.

As horribly funny as it is, I do think that if you can't assume someone's gender then you shouldn't be able to assume someone's race either and if this was a lady who identified as a man and not a white lady identifying as a black lady, she would not have endured the same shame and ridicule and, without knowing more about this fraud case, potential scrutiny about some pretty run-of-the-mill anti-social/poor people behavior. The LGBT machine has been around a lot longer and wields substantial mindshare with the public in garnering sympathy and compassion compared to a crossing racial lines group, is my take.

Or she's just a con artist.

[Guest]

6 minutes ago, LW Goatman said:

Or she's just a con artist.

That's what the first trans people had to hear too. Sad. Low energy accusations of people who don't identify as cisgendered or cisrace.

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

15 minutes ago, AnonymousInternetPoster said:

Once you "self-identify" as black, are you allowed to go back?

you don't go back, allegedly.......

[AnonymousInternetPoster 163]

Never?

[Gene Parmesan 4015]

4 minutes ago, OatmealRaisinCookie said:

That's what the first trans people had to hear too. Sad. Low energy accusations of people who don't identify as cisgendered or cisrace.

Whatever she identifies as has nothing to do with not reporting income to welfare services. 

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

2 minutes ago, AnonymousInternetPoster said:

Never?

I never hear it told that way, no.  

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

2 minutes ago, Gene Parmesan said:

Whatever she identifies as has nothing to do with not reporting income to welfare services. 

This, she's just another scamming crook.

[Guest]

6 minutes ago, Gene Parmesan said:

Whatever she identifies as has nothing to do with not reporting income to welfare services. 

I mean, it could be argued possibly that it's assimilating a cultural norm, in some blighted and poverty-stricken urban environments lol. I say urban so people don't confuse her as identifying as Appalachia people who also have a cultural norm of doing this sort of financial buggery.

Edited May 25, 2018 by Guest

[JimmyHoffa 1188]

9 minutes ago, OatmealRaisinCookie said:

I mean, it could be argued possibly that it's assimilating a cultural norm, in some blighted and poverty-stricken urban environments lol. I say urban so people don't confuse her as identifying as Appalachia people who also have a cultural norm of doing this sort of financial buggery.

When you report $500 a month in income to receive benefits and then fail to report $84K in payments to the state it doesn't matter if you are white, black, purple, straight, LGBQT, you are committing fraud. It's as simple as that.  

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, JimmyHoffa said:

When you report $500 a month in income to receive benefits and then fail to report $84K in payments to the state it doesn't matter if you are white, black, purple, straight, LGBQT, you are committing fraud. It's as simple as that.  

I agree.

[El Diablo 4232]

It's been a while since her story first broke and I had to look at her Wiki page to refresh my memory. I think she's a mental case and/or a compulsive liar.

[Gene Parmesan 4015]

13 minutes ago, OatmealRaisinCookie said:

I mean, it could be argued possibly that it's assimilating a cultural norm, in some blighted and poverty-stricken urban environments lol. I say urban so people don't confuse her as identifying as Appalachia people who also have a cultural norm of doing this sort of financial buggery.

So she not only identifies as black, but also as the stereotypical welfare queen?

[Paco 1934]

You're trolling right?

This lady cannot catch a break.
As horribly funny as it is, I do think that if you can't assume someone's gender then you shouldn't be able to assume someone's race either and if this was a lady who identified as a man and not a white lady identifying as a black lady, she would not have endured the same shame and ridicule and, without knowing more about this fraud case, potential scrutiny about some pretty run-of-the-mill anti-social/poor people behavior. The LGBT machine has been around a lot longer and wields substantial mindshare with the public in garnering sympathy and compassion compared to a crossing racial lines group, is my take.

[Guest]

I'm playing fast and loose, but no I'm not trolling. I do believe with sincerity that her ordeal definitely caused more scrutiny on her, which is indirectly a fall-out of her initial situation which was hilarious but also a bit tragic in the sense that identifying as race should be just as legitimate as identifying as a gender, as both are social constructs, otherwise she would have just faded into the rest of Americans who commit benefit fraud. I do agree that it is a crime regardless of her backstory or history and it's good this has been pursued once discovered though.

[Guest Lobo]

I'm 80% sure I saw her at the bar at Threadgill's a couple of weeks ago.  Anybody else ever see her around Austin? 

[Spankytoes 1743]

Not sure if this is racially targeted or not. I need a ruling from Pancho.

[JimmyHoffa 1188]

15 minutes ago, OatmealRaisinCookie said:

I'm playing fast and loose, but no I'm not trolling. I do believe with sincerity that her ordeal definitely caused more scrutiny on her, which is indirectly a fall-out of her initial situation which was hilarious but also a bit tragic in the sense that identifying as race should be just as legitimate as identifying as a gender, as both are social constructs, otherwise she would have just faded into the rest of Americans who commit benefit fraud. I do agree that it is a crime regardless of her backstory or history and it's good this has been pursued once discovered though.

 

She also wouldn't have made $84K on a book that caused her to commit benefit fraud either. 

[Neonmoon 38130]

Watched the Rachel Divide on a Netflix about her. Part of me thinks she is a con artist but part of me thinks she could actually believe what she says. 

Either way, isn’t it the same thing as transgender?

You were born X, but you feel you are Y. Therefore you go through changes to become Y. What is the difference? I think it’s funny that a lot of people who accept transgender don’t accept transracial 

One of the main arguments was she hasn’t had to struggle like a real black woman? Well a man hasn’t had to struggle like a real woman, cramps, periods, harassment? Isn’t it the same thing?

[Equinox 95]

Thanks Trump.

[Guest]

54 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

Watched the Rachel Divide on a Netflix about her. Part of me thinks she is a con artist but part of me thinks she could actually believe what she says. 

Either way, isn’t it the same thing as transgender?

You were born X, but you feel you are Y. Therefore you go through changes to become Y. What is the difference? I think it’s funny that a lot of people who accept transgender don’t accept transracial 

One of the main arguments was she hasn’t had to struggle like a real black woman? Well a man hasn’t had to struggle like a real woman, cramps, periods, harassment? Isn’t it the same thing?

Exactly.

Which is why the only conclusion I could draw was that the LGBT community has organized, communicated and ingratiated their message and struggle with those who would be compassionate to such things and the TransRace community or whatever is still a social oddity with no power or persuasion. That's okay, these things take time. Rome wasn't built in a day and the Transacceptance stuff wasn't an overnight phenomenon (and most I hear argue it's still not even close to a success in mainstream America).

I have to fight my internal instincts to laugh and poke fun at someone like Rachel, because it is initially ridiculous because I don't get it, but I feel she deserves the same respect and kindness as a transperson whose identification or whatever might seem ridiculous to others who don't get it.

Edited May 25, 2018 by Guest

[NeverMarryAStripper 21922]

I think i"m going to self identify as a different species.  I'm tired of this one.

[Celery Man 21001]

It’s different than transsexual because race is entirely different than gender.

[Guest]

24 minutes ago, Celery Man said:

It’s different than transsexual because race is entirely different than gender.

Sure? It’s nominally different. Like saying Blue is different than Red because they are entirely different colors, but they share the same construct of being colors. Race is not Gender, but they are both socially- and fluid- constructs. At least that’s how I was taught gender was different from sex, st least. I grant I could be wrong 

[SDG 3319]

I feel for people in a tough bind, so I whole heartedly support our welfare system, but if you fuck it over you should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. Race, gender, or whatever else you identify with you shouldn’t get a free pass.  I’ll wait until we get the full story (she’s married) to pass judgment, but this seems bad.  

[Bullneck 19210]

Defendants usually cultivate their "on trial" appearance for the courtroom.  She might consider a makeover by the time she's ready for sentencing.

[Hellraiser97 183]

3 hours ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

This, she's just another scamming crook.

Well, she obviously was in good company with many of the black community leaders then!

[Doodaddy 4]

Maybe she just identifies as poor.

[Lhorn 4966]

I guess we are all just whatever we say we are.  

Edited May 26, 2018 by Lhorn

[Celery Man 21001]

Sure? It’s nominally different. Like saying Blue is different than Red because they are entirely different colors, but they share the same construct of being colors. Race is not Gender, but they are both socially- and fluid- constructs. At least that’s how I was taught gender was different from sex, st least. I grant I could be wrong 

The difference being that gender is fluid and the biology is less so. Someone is trans because the two don’t match. With race, there is no mismatch because the entire thing is a social construct. You can identify with black culture and immerse yourself in it. Pretending that you are and have always been a black person, and that you have the shared experience which is essentially what it is to be black when you do not - that’s different. She did an extreme version of that.

I guess it gets fuzzy if you don’t think that gender is actually fluid, or if you want to draw comparisons between what Dolezal did and maybe a trans woman really trying to fabricate a history as a cisgender female. But just a comparison of Dolezal to a transgender person, I don’t think it’s hard to see how that is different.

[Spankytoes 1743]

1 hour ago, Celery Man said:

 

The difference being that gender is fluid and the biology is less so. Someone is trans because the two don’t match.

 

Maybe I’m misunderstanding...but what? 

 

Edited May 26, 2018 by Spankytoes

[Henry Hill 3156]

2 hours ago, Lhorn said:

I guess we are all just whatever we say we are.  

Radio won’t even play my jam.

[MaybeACoordinator 8349]

If you have a dick you are male and if you have a pussy you are female no matter what country you are in.

It's black and white.

But in America we have this "one drop" rule where if you are visibly African American, you are black. If you are not visibly African American you are white. (I understand that in some countries, like the Dominican Republic, the opposite rule prevails, where if you are visibly part white, you are white.) 

That's a subjective judgment. It's not likely but it is possible that someone who is of more than half African heritage could pass for white.

But except in extremely rare cases, like hermaphrodites, the junk we are born with don't lie. 

[Parliament 14316]

Is Charlize Theron African American? https://abcnews.go.com/US/confusion-white-high-schooler-returns-scholarship-intended-black/story?id=16544544

Is an albino African tribesman "black?"

[HenryJames 66182]

11 hours ago, Hellraiser97 said:

Well, she obviously was in good company with many of the black community leaders then!

Did you see who the white community elected as their leader?

[ousuxndallas 65]

It's been a while since her story first broke and I had to look at her Wiki page to refresh my memory. I think she's a mental case and/or a compulsive liar.

Of course she is. She's a liberal.

[Guest]

6 hours ago, Spankytoes said:

Maybe I’m misunderstanding...but what? 

 

All social constructs are equal but some are more equal than others

[Neonmoon 38130]

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/transracial-vs-transgender-whats-the-difference_us_58dd5f83e4b0fa4c09598748

so I just read this article that make sense of it. 

Quote

Additionally, one twin study, which looked at transgender siblings, found that 33 percent of male and 23 percent of female identical twins were both transgender, compared to just 2.6 percent of fraternal twins. And in a genetics study, male-to female transgender people were more likely to have a longer version of a receptor gene, which reduced the gene’s ability to bind testosterone. The gene’s binding of testosterone helps form male sex characteristics.

So even though Rachel feels black, it’s not based on any biology inside her, or genetics. It’s based on experience. 

Transgender is based on biology. 

Which begs the question, if transgender is a genetic oddity, couldn’t we eradicate with genetic screening? 

I think I’m going to take this to CR

[Reagan1k 3024]

Maybe she is just self identifying as poor.

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

25 minutes ago, Reagan1k said:

Maybe she is just self identifying as poor.

Maybe she's just a self important crimeinal asshole, who thinks the laws of the land don't apply to her.... just spit ballin' here.

[achooloco 1086]

18 hours ago, OatmealRaisinCookie said:

This lady cannot catch a break.

As horribly funny as it is, I do think that if you can't assume someone's gender then you shouldn't be able to assume someone's race either and if this was a lady who identified as a man and not a white lady identifying as a black lady, she would not have endured the same shame and ridicule and, without knowing more about this fraud case, potential scrutiny about some pretty run-of-the-mill anti-social/poor people behavior. The LGBT machine has been around a lot longer and wields substantial mindshare with the public in garnering sympathy and compassion compared to a crossing racial lines group, is my take.

no. some people are just fucked up, its not hard to understand, there is no deeper meaning. rachel d. is one of them. not talking about transgender, thats CR. talkign about transracial. thats some loaded up bullshit, don't exist.

Edited May 26, 2018 by achooloco

[EastTexan 662]

17 hours ago, OatmealRaisinCookie said:

Exactly.

Which is why the only conclusion I could draw was that the LGBT community has organized, communicated and ingratiated their message and struggle with those who would be compassionate to such things and the TransRace community or whatever is still a social oddity with no power or persuasion. That's okay, these things take time. Rome wasn't built in a day and the Transacceptance stuff wasn't an overnight phenomenon (and most I hear argue it's still not even close to a success in mainstream America).

I have to fight my internal instincts to laugh and poke fun at someone like Rachel, because it is initially ridiculous because I don't get it, but I feel she deserves the same respect and kindness as a transperson whose identification or whatever might seem ridiculous to others who don't get it.

 

Man i can't wait until the transrace community unites.

[KYHorn 17186]

2 hours ago, Neonmoon said:

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/transracial-vs-transgender-whats-the-difference_us_58dd5f83e4b0fa4c09598748

so I just read this article that make sense of it. 

So even though Rachel feels black, it’s not based on any biology inside her, or genetics. It’s based on experience. 

Transgender is based on biology. 

Which begs the question, if transgender is a genetic oddity, couldn’t we eradicate with genetic screening? 

I think I’m going to take this to CR

Trying to avoid CR-ness here. I think you make a valid point, but one that perhaps suggests that instead of pumping them full of hormones that will go against their biological sex, it might be more effective and less harmful to find ways of promoting testosterone binding, or using hormone therapy in a more limited way to compensate for the genetic issue.

[Celery Man 21001]

All social constructs are equal but some are more equal than others

Ruby - one is a social construct one is not.

[Guest]

5 hours ago, Celery Man said:

 

Ruby - one is a social construct one is not.

 

Look, i might be wrong about this and I’m sorry if so, but my understanding from trans people educating me on difference between gender and sex years ago led me to this understanding. If I’m wrong, I’m wrong but that doesn’t mean you should call me a woman name and engage in ad hominem. Lastly, I apologize if I’ve offended you in your journey or if I’ve assumed your gender, but when you have “man” in your name, one is quick to assume I guess.