Ukraine War

[TeeDubya 3,362]

2 hours ago, Horn Dog said:

I conventional war with NUCS completely off the table between Russia and NATO??

 

Russia has shown zero ability to mount anything other than squad-sized attacks.  Their ability to even mount company-sized assaults is questionable right now.

[atomheartbevo 89,778]

16 hours ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

China and India will have already communicated to Russia that nuclear weapons including the threat of, are off the table. Russia still has other available threats including attacks on NATO countries. 

China and India would 100% bail on Russia if Russia attacked a NATO member.  Russia has very little impact on them versus the US/NATO and all of our Pacific Allie’s that would crater their economies and dump hundreds of millions of their people in the streets.

15 hours ago, YGIFS said:

They don't deploy tactical battlefield nukes, but do in fact invade or at least aerially attack a Balkan or Baltic member of NATO.  Article 5 is invoked.  U.S. Military boots/assets hit the ground and air in the Autumn and Biden gets blamed for starting us off into another bloody war.  Trump wins, Russia withdraws from whichever NATO country because he can't maintain two theaters.  And then refocus on Ukraine which gets no further assistance from the United States, which results in its demise.  

Putin would get even more of his military hardware wrecked, including even more stuff he can’t replace, and it would happen pretty fast. Poland will be on the other side of Belarus before anybody realizes it. 

Putin has a fear of dying though, and telling the populace he’s going from protecting them from Nazis (who he claims are just their Russian brothers from another mother) to taking on the West is a huge leap that he couldn’t sell, especially since targets inside of Russia are being hit daily.

But at the end of the day he’s a bully with a KGB background who is terrified of being killed.  He wouldn’t do anything that would give the West a reason to go after him.

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[HenryJames 66,160]

[YGIFS 19,452]

I used to buy beef from his butcher father Al, in California.  He used to date this broad, Alice

[Longhorn_Fan68 33,887]

 

 

 

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[David Dennison 18,945]

So, who's winning?

[Pescado_Rojo 19,428]

Raytheon, Lockheed Martin, Rheinmetall...

[HenryJames 66,160]

23 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

So, who's winning?

[DigglerontheHoof 21,212]

19 hours ago, HenryJames said:

The Bears.

[RomaVicta 29,968]

This will be interesting to watch. That F-16 turned out to be a great plane.

Go Ukraine!

 

[TeeDubya 3,362]

These people are such fuckers.

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[Sawbonz 27,584]

On 6/3/2024 at 1:01 PM, Horn Dog said:

I conventional war with NUCS completely off the table between Russia and NATO??

 

Within 48 hours they would effectively have no Air Force or Navy. Assuming NATO has no interests in having boots on ground inside Russia, what else can they do but launch nukes?

[Longhorn_Fan68 33,887]

18 hours ago, TeeDubya said:

These people are such fuckers.

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came here to talk about this one. glad you spoilered it. pretty hard to watch. I have no doubt this is pretty common on any battlefield, especially where certain death is likely for all of them. but to have actual footage of it is pretty devastating. gonna be hard to spin this one with the home crowd. you know it's going to be shared far and wide - no way Russia can suppress this one. will be interesting to see what, if any, impact it has on the outcome.

[TeeDubya 3,362]

3 hours ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

came here to talk about this one. glad you spoilered it. pretty hard to watch. I have no doubt this is pretty common on any battlefield, especially where certain death is likely for all of them. but to have actual footage of it is pretty devastating. gonna be hard to spin this one with the home crowd. you know it's going to be shared far and wide - no way Russia can suppress this one. will be interesting to see what, if any, impact it has on the outcome.

The Russians have rotted souls.  Always have. 

[Jhawkmvp 1,489]

On 6/23/2024 at 8:41 AM, TeeDubya said:

These people are such fuckers.

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He checked his frank and beans with his hand, got some bad news, and after that he points to his head.  These guys are demoralized. The guy that shot him is just walking slowly down the road. He has no fucks left to give about living or not.

[Hornius Emeritus 12,481]

Putin is done. It's just a matter of when. Amazing to think that about 3-4 years ago some were thinking he is the richest man in the world.  He could have just abdicated and lived the rest of his life on a South Pacific island that he owns.

[Horn Under a Bad Sign 20,472]

Major fire this morning.

 

 

 

[Saint Austin 745]

I just finished watching the debate. How concerned should Ukraine be for Trump 2.0?

[softlynow 1,819]

4 minutes ago, Saint Austin said:

I just finished watching the debate. How concerned should Ukraine be for Trump 2.0?

If the election was in July, very.

[atomheartbevo 89,778]

2 hours ago, Saint Austin said:

I just finished watching the debate. How concerned should Ukraine be for Trump 2.0?

Ukraine?  Shit, Eastern European NATO members should be worried. 

[YGIFS 19,452]

They are thousands of NATO officials, both military and civilian/political pouring into offices from at this very moment as their workday begins.  They are reading the news and watching clips of our POTUS debate.  And they are shitting themselves.  From Libson to Adana, from Bergen to Athens.  There isn't an unclenched butthole in the whole of NATO leadership right now.  Moldova and the Baltic Nation-States are next.  All he needed was a tiny bit of propagandist inspiration to draw more troops and more TacOps support.  And now he has it.  Going to be a long summer in theater.  

[Neonmoon 38,130]

6 hours ago, Saint Austin said:

I just finished watching the debate. How concerned should Ukraine be for Trump 2.0?

If Trump wins, Ukraine loses. Period 

[Chad Fuck 17,743]

If Trump wins, Ukraine loses. Period 

This right here. He will give Ukraine and whatever else Putin wants away.

Europe will be entirely on its own.

[tx 3 putt 77,336]

15 hours ago, Neonmoon said:

If Trump wins, Ukraine loses. Period 

curious how nato / Europe / Ukraine start prepping for this possibility 

[TeeDubya 3,362]

51 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

curious how nato / Europe / Ukraine start prepping for this possibility 

they already have.  Increasing ordinance manufacturing capacity is starting, but it's a slow process.

[tx 3 putt 77,336]

58 minutes ago, TeeDubya said:

they already have.  Increasing ordinance manufacturing capacity is starting, but it's a slow process.

That’ll be huge on both sides 

Does South Korea manufacture 155mm shells ?

[Mdhorn 5,984]

On 6/23/2024 at 11:55 PM, Hornius Emeritus said:

Putin is done. It's just a matter of when. Amazing to think that about 3-4 years ago some were thinking he is the richest man in the world.  He could have just abdicated and lived the rest of his life on a South Pacific island that he owns.

That's what happens when you get high on your own supply and start believing your own propaganda.  Started thinking he was going to put together the old team and lo and behold, fucks were given.  I wonder how much he can juggle overseas puppets like Trump and his election vs real time fafo scenarios like Ukraine and paranoia about current cabinet assassins while retaining his sanity.   Some people gotta touch the stove and some people gotta turn it on and still touch it.  In the end, Putin is looking more and more like a meat head.  

[bolverk 29,708]

The infection is spreading.

Hungary's Orban announces plan to form new far-right bloc in European Parliament

Orban launched the "Patriots for Europe" on Sunday, an alliance with Herbert Kickl, the leader of Austria's far-right Freedom party, and Andrej Babiš, the former prime minister of Czechia.

Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán on Sunday presented a new alliance with Austria's far-right Freedom Party and the main Czech opposition party, which hopes to attract other partners and become the biggest hard right-wing group in the European Parliament.

Orbán travelled to Vienna to present the “Patriots for Europe” alliance of his Fidesz party with Herbert Kickl's far-right Freedom Party and the former Czech Prime Minister Andrej Babis's ANO party, a day before Hungary takes over the European Union’s rotating presidency for six months.

The European Parliament elections in early June strengthened far-right parties, though their performances varied from country to country, but left unclear to what extent they would manage to work together. Until now, they have been spread across two groups in the EU legislature, plus a large number of unaligned parties.

Orbán in recent years has appeared to relish opportunities to block, water down or delay key EU decisions, routinely going against the grain of most other leaders on issues like the war in Ukraine relations with Russia and China. His public opposition to EU policies and stances has long frustrated other governments in the bloc and pushed him to the margins of the continent’s mainstream.

“What Europeans want is three things: peace, order and development,” Orbán said through an interpreter at Sunday's event. “And what they are getting from the elite in Brussels today is war, migration and stagnation.”

Orban also posted about the launch on X. "Three political parties joined forces today: the strongest Austrian party, the strongest Czech party and the strongest Hungarian party. Our aim is to become the strongest right-wing group in European politics," it read.

But the three partiers will need to attract lawmakers from at least four more EU countries to successfully form a group in the new parliament.

Freedom Party leader Herbert Kickl noted that the new European Parliament will meet for the first time in Strasbourg on July 16. He said that “starting immediately ... all political forces that want to join in our political and positive reform effort are very welcome."

Kickl added that “from what I have heard in recent days ... there will be more of them than some of you probably suspect right now.” He didn't name any potential partners, and the three party leaders didn't take questions.

The Freedom Party narrowly won first place in the European Parliament election and hopes to win Austria's national election on Sept. 29.

All three parties are pro-Russian; none of them support Ukraine in its fight against Russia which launched a full-scale invasion in 2022.

"We will prefer national sovereignty to federalism, liberty to orders, and peace to war," Babis posted on X, referring to the war in Ukraine.

[atomheartbevo 89,778]

1 hour ago, bolverk said:

“What Europeans want is three things: peace, order and development,” Orbán said

They also don’t want hard right-wingers in power, because it went poorly for most countries not named Germany the last time it happened (and it eventually went poorly for Germany as well). 

[Chad Fuck 17,743]

They also don’t want hard right-wingers in power, because it went poorly for most countries not named Germany the last time it happened (and it eventually went poorly for Germany as well). 

And the Hungarians were in on that with Germany. Perhaps they think this time it’ll work better for them?

[bolverk 29,708]

 

Three points:

1. VPs don't hold the reins to our foreign policy. Trump would still be president, and he's by far the worst option if you actually care about Ukraine. Furthermore, Trump has repeatedly threatened to pull out of NATO. If Burgum cared so passionately about the cause, why would he ever consider being on that ticket?

https://www.politico.eu/article/donald-trump-ukraine-russia-war-threatens-cut-aid-election-2024/

Former U.S. President Donald Trump on Saturday [June 15, 2024] blasted the scale of U.S. support for Ukraine and said that if he is reelected in November he would immediately "have that settled."

At a campaign rally in Detroit, Trump criticized Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, calling him “the greatest salesman of all time” for Kyiv’s push to secure U.S. support in its effort to defend Ukraine against Russian aggression more than three years after Moscow's all-out invasion.

“He just left four days ago with $60 billion, and he gets home, and he announces that he needs another $60 billion. It never ends,” Trump said.

 

2. We already have a Vice President who strongly supports Ukraine. In a speech on the exact same day, Trump said the above, here she is on the global stage:

https://apnews.com/article/harris-ukraine-peace-summit-switzerland-biden-41cb00bba18a80ca88abf9e5b378110a

OBBÜRGEN, Switzerland (AP) — Vice President Kamala Harris on Saturday pledged America’s full support in backing Ukraine and global efforts to achieve “a just and lasting peace” in the face of Russia’s invasion, representing the United States at an international gathering on the war and meeting with Ukraine’s Volodymyr Zelenskyy to discuss his country’s vision for ending it.

As she arrived at the meeting venue overlooking Lake Lucerne, Harris announced $1.5 billion in U.S. assistance through the State Department and the U.S. Agency for International Development. That includes money for energy assistance, repairing damaged energy infrastructure, helping refugees and strengthening civilian security in the wake of the aggression by Russian President Vladimir Putin.

Russia’s aggression is more than just an attack “on the lives and the freedom of the people of Ukraine,” Harris told leaders from 100 nations and global organizations participating in the summit. “It is not only an attack on global food security and energy supplies. Russia’s aggression is also an attack on international rules and norms and the principles embodied in the U.N. Charter,” Harris said. She said the U.S. was committed to continuing “to impose costs on Russia and we will continue to work toward a just and lasting peace,” reaffirming words she used at the start of her private meeting with Zelenskyy.

You should recall that our current Vice President also understands the threat that the Chinese government poses:

Vice President Kamala Harris today underscored the critical role of U.S. leadership as world leaders confront global conflicts and threats to international peace and stability.  

Speaking at this year's Munich Security Conference in Germany, Harris noted Russia's ongoing war in Ukraine and increased instability and conflict in the Middle East.  

She also highlighted competition with China, the emergence of transformative technology, and the threat that the climate crisis will compound the risk to international order.  

"In these unsettled times, it is clear America cannot retreat," Harris said. "America must stand strong for democracy. We must stand in defense of international rules and norms. And we must stand with our allies." 

Harris said her address came amid questions about the future of America's role as a global leader.  

"These are questions that the American people must also ask ourselves: whether it is in America's interest to fight for democracy or to accept the rise of dictators and whether it is in America's interest to continue to work lockstep with our allies and partners or go it alone," she said.  

The United States' response to those questions reverberates far beyond its shores, affecting not only the American people, but people throughout the world, the vice president said.  

"As President [Joe] Biden and I have made clear over the past three years, we are committed to [pursuing] global engagement, to [upholding] international rules and norms, to [defending] democratic values at home and abroad, and to [working] with our allies and partners in pursuit of shared goals," Harris said. 

 

3. Biden had a terrible debate performance, no question. Why do you not question Trump's performance during the same debate when every fact-checker has stated almost everything Trump said during the debate was a lie? Are you more prone to vote for him simply because he's a vigorous and energetic liar?

https://www.politifact.com/article/2024/jul/02/on-the-biden-trump-debate-stage-fact-checks-were-h/

PolitiFact fact-checked nearly 30 claims on debate night, and although Biden had a couple of False and Mostly False statements, plus a number of Half True statements in which he omitted context, Trump went largely unchallenged within the debate on three Mostly False claims, a dozen straight False claims and one that got our worst rating, Pants on Fire. 

 

 

 

 

[Neonmoon 38,130]

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I like this guy, Burgum.  First Republican in a long time who seems to have his chit together.  Will be interesting if Trump selects him.  I might could get behind a ticket with him on it, given the recent events surrounding Biden.

I live in the dumbest fucking timeline

[elfenix 34,331]

Guys don't be toxic

[bolverk 29,708]

8 minutes ago, elfenix said:

Guys don't be toxic

He said he'd post it over here but hasn't, so I did it for him.

[Brisketexan 105,275]

1 hour ago, bolverk said:

Why do you not question Trump's performance during the same debate when every fact-checker has stated almost everything Trump said during the debate was a lie? Are you more prone to vote for him simply because he's a vigorous and energetic liar?

Fucking this.

Dude 1 was low energy and slurred his words.

Dude 2 lied pathologically, promised to murder the Republic and everyone in it who doesn't bend to his will, but did so with more energy than Dude 1.

Gotta vote for Dude 2, I guess.  Because I know that "he can do the job" - nevermind that he'll do it in a way that destroys everything that is supposed to be protected by said job.

These are people who would rather hand the keys to a driver who says "I will use this car to run over your entire family and kill everyone you love," instead of the driver who says "I'll be as careful as I can, but my reflexes aren't what they once were."  It's fucking psychotic in its stupidity, but here we are.

[TeeDubya 3,362]

Fucking Russia, trotting out soldiers using canes....  

[Chad Fuck 17,743]

Fucking Russia, trotting out soldiers using canes....  
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Fuck ‘em.

[Longhorn_Fan68 33,887]

Russia hit a children's hospital in Kyiv this morning. Sigh.

[RomaVicta 29,968]

On 7/3/2024 at 2:30 PM, Brisketexan said:

Fucking this.

Dude 1 was low energy and slurred his words.

Dude 2 lied pathologically, promised to murder the Republic and everyone in it who doesn't bend to his will, but did so with more energy than Dude 1.

Gotta vote for Dude 2, I guess.  Because I know that "he can do the job" - nevermind that he'll do it in a way that destroys everything that is supposed to be protected by said job.

These are people who would rather hand the keys to a driver who says "I will use this car to run over your entire family and kill everyone you love," instead of the driver who says "I'll be as careful as I can, but my reflexes aren't what they once were."  It's fucking psychotic in its stupidity, but here we are.

You describe the very reason I feel frustrated and disarmed. Logic, facts, and solid argument have no place in the current "discourse."

National media covers the Dem controversy which is newsworthy, but their wall-to-wall coverage and panel talk about it push it to the front. They make passing mention of Trump's lies and Project 2025 as though those issues are somehow secondary.

I don't know how much difference it would make if the journalists did their jobs, but they should still do their fucking jobs.

[Longhorn_Fan68 33,887]

TIL Russia only has one aircraft carrier and they're super worried about it getting destroyed. Guess you shouldn't have invaded, assholes.

[Chad Fuck 17,743]

TIL Russia only has one aircraft carrier and they're super worried about it getting destroyed. Guess you shouldn't have invaded, assholes.

Dude they can barely keep it afloat. It’s an aircraft carrier on paper only.

[Captainant 27,727]

8 minutes ago, Chad Fuck said:

Dude they can barely keep it afloat. It’s an aircraft carrier on paper only.

They nearly sunk it themselves while it was in a floating dry dock lol. The russian surface navy is an absolute joke full of blyats

[atomheartbevo 89,778]

46 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

TIL Russia only has one aircraft carrier and they're super worried about it getting destroyed. Guess you shouldn't have invaded, assholes.

It has a dedicated tugboat that shadows it anytime it moves, but right now it’s not going anywhere.  They can’t fix it up enough to sail the open seas again, and more recently, analysts are thinking they might get it sailing again in 2025 or 2026.  Might.  They don’t have easy access to Western parts, and apparently the Chinese are not helping them very much,

Meanwhile, the Chinese bought the hulk of Russian carrier’s unfinished sister ship, fixed it up and are currently sailing it.  They’ve even put it in dock and upgraded various systems over the last 10 years a few times and then put it back out to sea. Meanwhile the Russians haven’t been able to run their carrier out since 2018.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_aircraft_carrier_Liaoning#Operational_history

Their refit was massive:

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In August 2018, the South China Morning Post reported that Liaoning was berthed at Dalian undergoing its first refit since its commissioning in 2012. The radar above Liaoning's bridge and the air traffic control at the rear of the island superstructure were noted to have been removed, and scaffolding was also noted around the command center.[56] The refit was completed in January 2019, spending about six months. The ship superstructure was modified with an improved design, and the flight deck was completely stripped and refurbished.

They upgraded the superstructure, replaced the radars/air traffic control infrastructure, and stripped and refurbished the flight deck in 6 fucking months,

The Russian carrier has been docked for six fucking years.

Edited July 10 by atomheartbevo

[Longhorn_Fan68 33,887]

was just looking up some info on a piece of russian artillery I watched the Ukrainians blow up and came across this wiki entry. If you search for you Ukraine you can start piece together exactly how much Russia has lost in this campaign
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_equipment_of_the_Russian_Ground_Forces#Vehicles

[Chad Fuck 17,743]

They upgraded the superstructure, replaced the radars/air traffic control infrastructure, and stripped and refurbished the flight deck in 6 fucking months,
The Russian carrier has been docked for six fucking years.

Well son, there are a lot more Chinamen than there are Ruskies (spits chaw). Especially these days.

[elfenix 34,331]

On 7/10/2024 at 1:26 PM, atomheartbevo said:

They upgraded the superstructure, replaced the radars/air traffic control infrastructure, and stripped and refurbished the flight deck in 6 fucking months,

 

well that's not how to return value to shareholders

[TeeDubya 3,362]

[atomheartbevo 89,778]

Both Strelkov and Prigozhin said Russia launched the war against Ukraine. Strelkov said that without him, Ukrainian security forces would have taken control of occupied territories. Prigozhin went much further to say that the war was needed by oligarchs, that there was nothing extraordinary happening on 24 February that would trigger an invasion, and that the MoD was lying about NATO plans to invade Russia.

And yet David Sacks stands there in front of an audience saying Russia was provoked to invade.

Is he working in the interests of truth?

[Jhawkmvp 1,489]

1 hour ago, atomheartbevo said:

Both Strelkov and Prigozhin said Russia launched the war against Ukraine. Strelkov said that without him, Ukrainian security forces would have taken control of occupied territories. Prigozhin went much further to say that the war was needed by oligarchs, that there was nothing extraordinary happening on 24 February that would trigger an invasion, and that the MoD was lying about NATO plans to invade Russia.

And yet David Sacks stands there in front of an audience saying Russia was provoked to invade.

Is he working in the interests of truth?

All the GOP military veterans I know are loving the butt fucking Russia is taking in Ukraine and want it to continue.  But RU is paying GOP pols well to save their ass in Ukraine, if Trump gets in office, so the GOP/Trump will fuck Ukraine like they did the Kurds. 

Edited July 18 by Jhawkmvp

[BehoId, The Underminer! 11,669]

random thinking this morning: i predict a female president will feel a need to overcorrect on tough guy / foreign policy image. kamala is smart enough to do that by telling a bunch of nato folks we want orders on our desk for f-15s by the end of the day.  this could really be excellent.