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18 minutes ago, troph said:

Never have they had to deal with the US as an adversary. Necessity is the key ingredient here, I’m betting they can. 

I fucking hope so.

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1 hour ago, troph said:

oh Biden certainly played the part of a proxy war and did so brilliantly in a lot of ways. No nukes fired, Russian stayed engaged and now they are crippled. It's because of Biden that that group right there actually stands a chance to tell the US and Russia to fuck off. and I hope they do.

Brilliantly?

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1 minute ago, F250 said:

Brilliantly?

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I'd say the way he responded to the threat in the six months leading up to the invasion and the six months after were indeed brilliant. Then, shit got bogged down through the Admin's hesitation on ramping up the lethal hardware more quickly. Everything became too hesitant and cautious afterward.

And now that I think of it, I wonder if it was around that point when Biden really began to fade, and others started inserting themselves and influencing decisions.

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9 minutes ago, bolverk said:

I'd say the way he responded to the threat in the six months leading up to the invasion and the six months after were indeed brilliant. Then, shit got bogged down through the Admin's hesitation on ramping up the lethal hardware more quickly. Everything became too hesitant and cautious afterward.

And now that I think of it, I wonder if it was around that point when Biden really began to fade, and others started inserting themselves and influencing decisions.

He could have crushed Russia but decided to play prevent defense until the Trump administration took over.

Turtle Tom shit.

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In a dramatic shift in transatlantic relations under President Donald Trump, the United States split with its European allies by refusing to blame Russia for its invasion of Ukraine in votes on three U.N. resolutions Monday seeking an end to the three-year war.

The growing divide follows Trump’s decision to open direct negotiations with Russia on ending the war, dismaying Ukraine and its European supporters by excluding them from the preliminary talks last week.

In the U.N. General Assembly, the U.S. joined Russia in voting against a Europe-backed Ukrainian resolution that calls out Moscow’s aggression and demands an immediate withdrawal of Russian troops.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/un-vote-demand-russia-pull-050752472.html

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Posted
5 hours ago, F250 said:

He could have crushed Russia but decided to play prevent defense until the Trump administration took over.

Turtle Tom shit.


The second best military in the world has depleted the massive Soviet stockpile it inherited to the point that its troops are riding scooters into battle and using donkeys to transport artillery shells. Its navy was defeated by a country that doesn’t have a navy. They will never have air dominance. Every day, they lose more refining capacity and their economy gets closer to collapse.

What exactly do you think Biden should have done with such limited congressional support?

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Posted (edited)
7 hours ago, F250 said:

He could have crushed Russia but decided to play prevent defense until the Trump administration took over.

Turtle Tom shit.

 

2 hours ago, B00M said:


The second best military in the world has depleted the massive Soviet stockpile it inherited to the point that its troops are riding scooters into battle and using donkeys to transport artillery shells. Its navy was defeated by a country that doesn’t have a navy. They will never have air dominance. Every day, they lose more refining capacity and their economy gets closer to collapse.

What exactly do you think Biden should have done with such limited congressional support?

1.) China is second best and was second best

2.) it’s easy to say he was being too cautious bc we know the outcome now. An aggressive move could have escalated the situation into some really dark scenarios for the world

3.) Russia has lost something of 3/4 or something of all tracked vehicles. Maybe more

4.) Russia’s nukes may just be more of a threat as I’m not convinced they actually work

5.) All their scary hypersonic missiles failed to reach their targets or detonate.

 

So in a sense, you’re both right and wrong as is every scenario. 
Biden being cautious is probably the right strategy, however, given the shit we know now an aggressive posture / push would have likely led to Russia not securing near as much territory and potentially Ukraine getting back Crimea and the Wagner dude completing his cue as he likely would have secured the support he thought he had when he started his march to Moscow.

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7 hours ago, Dnaguy said:

 

1.) China is second best and was second best

2.) it’s easy to say he was being too cautious bc we know the outcome now. An aggressive move could have escalated the situation into some really dark scenarios for the world

3.) Russia has lost something of 3/4 or something of all tracked vehicles. Maybe more

4.) Russia’s nukes may just be more of a threat as I’m not convinced they actually work

5.) All their scary hypersonic missiles failed to reach their targets or detonate.

 

So in a sense, you’re both right and wrong as is every scenario. 
Biden being cautious is probably the right strategy, however, given the shit we know now an aggressive posture / push would have likely led to Russia not securing near as much territory and potentially Ukraine getting back Crimea and the Wagner dude completing his cue as he likely would have secured the support he thought he had when he started his march to Moscow.


1. This wasn’t as clear cut in 2022 as you suggest. Surprisingly, I can’t even find a power index today where China is better than tied with Russia. Hopefully we never have to find out. 

2. Agreed that it’s easy to second guess conservative decisions. 

3. Yup, getting absolutely worked while very slowly taking fields and tree lines and rubble. 

4. Completely agreed that russias nukes are most valuable for them as a threat. They haven’t dedicated nearly enough resources to maintain them so only some are still functional. Lobbing a nuke you’re not convinced actually works is like pulling a gun on someone you know is armed when you’re not sure yours is loaded.

5. Not true? Kinzhals are used regularly after they’ve saturated air defenses with shaheds. They’ve also used an oreshnik and probably others. They have had several ballistic missile failures. 

interesting thought experiment. If the US more aggressive, does Wagner get obliterated before their failed coup? Does the Russian public galvanize behind Putin and fully mobilize? The way this played out prior to 2025 was extremely demoralizing for Russians. 

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Posted
1 hour ago, B00M said:

Cross posting from DT because this thread needs some positive vibes

 

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You’d think with that Biden would get more praise and Russia would be begging for a deal. 

Zelenskyy is smart to take the deal, it’s not a 30 year deal. If Trump had taught anyone anything it’s that the US can change its mind quickly.  This deal might only be a 4 year or an 8-12 year deal. But with the right US president who believes Ukraine should be allowed to strengthen as a democracy, this deal can be modified, or if it ends up working for both the US and Ukraine then maybe it’s the beginning of a long relationship securing freedom and paying for the security Ukraine will absolutely need.

Whats left is the borders of Ukraine. I have a hard time seeing Trump forcing Russia to give back territory, so is this war almost over? not sure.

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2 minutes ago, troph said:

You’d think with that Biden would get more praise and Russia would be begging for a deal. 

Zelenskyy is smart to take the deal, it’s not a 30 year deal. If Trump had taught anyone anything it’s that the US can change its mind quickly.  This deal might only be a 4 year or an 8-12 year deal. But with the right US president who believes Ukraine should be allowed to strengthen as a democracy, this deal can be modified, or if it ends up working for both the US and Ukraine then maybe it’s the beginning of a long relationship securing freedom and paying for the security Ukraine will absolutely need.

Whats left is the borders of Ukraine. I have a hard time seeing Trump forcing Russia to give back territory, so is this war almost over? not sure.

I'm not convinced there is actually a substantive deal. I think this is an agree to agree situation. 

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2 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

I'm not convinced there is actually a substantive deal. I think this is an agree to agree situation. 

All I’ve read is the WSJ article and it def lacks details…

Posted
15 hours ago, troph said:

You’d think with that Biden would get more praise and Russia would be begging for a deal. 

Russia pushed incredibly hard last year working under the assumption that Trump would win and give them a favorable settlement. So far it’s going according to their plan…

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On 2/25/2025 at 5:03 AM, B00M said:


The second best military in the world has depleted the massive Soviet stockpile it inherited to the point that its troops are riding scooters into battle and using donkeys to transport artillery shells. Its navy was defeated by a country that doesn’t have a navy. They will never have air dominance. Every day, they lose more refining capacity and their economy gets closer to collapse.

What exactly do you think Biden should have done with such limited congressional support?

Biden didn't have limited congressional support. It was a tiny group of representatives in the House that successfully prevented any bill from reaching the floor by threatening to upend the Speaker of the House and throw the House into chaos. Once it reached the floor it was passed with an overwhelming majority in both houses.

He could have done any number of things to put his support of Ukraine front and center. The fact he was such an unpopular president and foreign assistance is rarely going to garner populist acclaim handicapped him, but the fact is he never tried to make a case for support of Ukraine. He depended on the members of congress to do that, and told them so. 

I hate Trump. I think he's an extremely dangerous president. I fear for the future of our democracy. But Trump would have found a way to send more arms, and more lethal arms, to Ukraine in a way the Biden administration refused to do so for fear of escalating the conflict. It's practically the Democratic playbook since WWII. I'm still grateful for the support that was sent because I felt confident Trump wouldn't have done it, and here we are with Trump behaving in exactly the way he said he would. 

Biden gets kudos from me for galvanizing the world, and Europe in particular, to support Ukraine to the extent they have. He never went far enough, and that was a continuous source of frustration for me. It doesn't change my gratitude for what he did do, but claiming that his hands were tied as president and he couldn't do any more than he did is a falsehood. He didn't want to go all in. And while the reasons for it are certainly there for anyone to see, it was still a choice he made. He wasn't forced into it by anyone, much less a group of less than a dozen house of representative congressmen.

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1 hour ago, SL Xpress said:

Biden didn't have limited congressional support. It was a tiny group of representatives in the House that successfully prevented any bill from reaching the floor by threatening to upend the Speaker of the House and throw the House into chaos. Once it reached the floor it was passed with an overwhelming majority in both houses.

He could have done any number of things to put his support of Ukraine front and center. The fact he was such an unpopular president and foreign assistance is rarely going to garner populist acclaim handicapped him, but the fact is he never tried to make a case for support of Ukraine. He depended on the members of congress to do that, and told them so. 

I hate Trump. I think he's an extremely dangerous president. I fear for the future of our democracy. But Trump would have found a way to send more arms, and more lethal arms, to Ukraine in a way the Biden administration refused to do so for fear of escalating the conflict. It's practically the Democratic playbook since WWII. I'm still grateful for the support that was sent because I felt confident Trump wouldn't have done it, and here we are with Trump behaving in exactly the way he said he would. 

Biden gets kudos from me for galvanizing the world, and Europe in particular, to support Ukraine to the extent they have. He never went far enough, and that was a continuous source of frustration for me. It doesn't change my gratitude for what he did do, but claiming that his hands were tied as president and he couldn't do any more than he did is a falsehood. He didn't want to go all in. And while the reasons for it are certainly there for anyone to see, it was still a choice he made. He wasn't forced into it by anyone, much less a group of less than a dozen house of representative congressmen.

I assume you mean if he weren't a Russian puppet and actually wanted to support Ukraine?

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21 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

I assume you mean if he weren't a Russian puppet and actually wanted to support Ukraine?

I mean, it's right there in the post.

 

I felt confident Trump wouldn't have done it, and here we are with Trump behaving in exactly the way he said he would. 

Posted
4 minutes ago, Michael Knight said:

You know what would be a great idea, if Germany started building up their military cause that's never gone poorly

Maybe we get Gravity's Rainbow 2 out of this. 

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Rubio looks like he wants to sink into the couch. suck it up, buttercup.

 

someone shared the screenshot lol

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need to remake this meme

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15 minutes ago, DDD Dad said:

JFC I am so embarrassed to be an American right now.

Same.  I haven't been able to stomach the news much recently, but holy fucking shit.   

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50 minutes ago, Royalfan5 said:

Maybe we get Gravity's Rainbow 2 out of this. 

"The genius of Thomas Pynchon’s Gravity's Rainbow: he had to take all of his first year courses at, what was it, Cornell? One of his teachers was Nabokov. And everything he had in his first year’s physics went in to Gravity’s Rainbow. Whether it fit in or not, it just went in there. That’s one way of doing it."

 - Gore Vidal, 2006

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1 minute ago, Chad Fuck said:

What a fucking scumbag bitch question to ask of a honorable man who is fighting for his country.  That Glenn guy is a piece of shit.

I believe that is Marjorie Taylor Green's boyfriend. Zelenskyy could rightfully have responded, "Did an ape woman with an IQ lower than her shoe size dress you in that suit?"

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What a fucking scumbag bitch question to ask of a honorable man who is fighting for his country.  That Glenn guy is a piece of shit.

Pretty solid comeback by Z. He used to be a comedian so he’s probably dealt with hecklers before.
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Zelensky's hand-wringing and look of despair is probably America's most shameful moment of my life. A nation of 33 million people wanting to be more Western oriented in their lives, being abandoned because of one man's greed and image issues.
 
Those of you that call Trump a Russian asset are still assuming that Trump is a normal human that could feel shame from blackmail. No, this is a man that sees opportunity to make money from Russia and Putin says nice things to him. That's it, he's a simpleton that sees profit and >30million people are just a barrier to that.

Can be both from Russia’s perspective.
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13 minutes ago, Chad Fuck said:

Moreover, he's getting ganged up on and trying to fight back in what - his third or fourth language?  He speaks English well, but I can tell you when you're in a room full of people speaking at you in a language that is not your first language, that's tough.  He handled it well, but he was at a disadvantage already.  Snappy comebacks are hard in that environment, never mind that he is bearing the burden of his entire nation's continued existence in that meeting.

Fucking embarrassing as fuck.  

 

See, while you are rightly embarrassed by this ambush, the Joe Rogan crowd are only too excited to support it:

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No word yet if Theo Vonn is receiving cash for these takes like other right wing podcasters or if he’s just an idiot 

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42 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

"The genius of Thomas Pynchon’s Gravity's Rainbow: he had to take all of his first year courses at, what was it, Cornell? One of his teachers was Nabokov. And everything he had in his first year’s physics went in to Gravity’s Rainbow. Whether it fit in or not, it just went in there. That’s one way of doing it."

 - Gore Vidal, 2006

Beat me to it.

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Posted
2 minutes ago, Pig Bellmont said:

See, while you are rightly embarrassed by this ambush, the Joe Rogan crowd are only too excited to support it:

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No word yet if Theo Vonn is receiving cash for these takes like other right wing podcasters or if he’s just an idiot 

Theo Von is hilarious and awesome. I've never seen him get overtly or overly political (though you can guess his political leanings). This is a disappointing turn of events if it's him.

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1 minute ago, Vegas64 said:

Theo Von is hilarious and awesome. I've never seen him get overtly or overly political (though you can guess his political leanings). This is a disappointing turn of events if it's him.

He’s a maga shill

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2 minutes ago, Vegas64 said:

Theo Von is hilarious and awesome. I've never seen him get overtly or overly political (though you can guess his political leanings). This is a disappointing turn of events if it's him.

he took a right turn like a lot of semi-intellectuals

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1 minute ago, Pig Bellmont said:

No word yet if Theo Vonn is receiving cash for these takes like other right wing podcasters or if he’s just an idiot 

When driving I-35 last weekend, I saw where he's going to be "performing" at the venue formerly known as the Bell County Expo Center on March 27th. The palace of high American culture. 

 

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Just now, bluto said:

He’s a maga shill

His shows are so long I only catch 10-15 mins these days once a month, but during lockdown he was my go-to. Shame. Live long enough to become a villain, I guess. Maybe it's the water in Nashville.



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