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9 minutes ago, cactusflinthead said:

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At this point I don’t know why Ukraine would even respond to US suggestions. If I’m their spokesperson, I’d say “this is the first I’ve heard of it, because at present, we are ignoring unsolicited suggestions from the US. We view them as irrelevant at this time, and we are in the middle of a war.  Nevertheless, we will not hold elections at present.”

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2 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

I don't think it is for attention. He just wants to inflict suffering on those that wished to inflict it on everyone else. I'm totes down for it. Sometimes the only way to learn the fire is hot is to get burned. A whole lot of fucking people need some severe fucking burning to wake them the fuck up or get rid of them. 

Familiarity breeds contempt. You can’t say that in the Israel thread. “A whole lot of Hamas and Gazans who enable them need to burn or we need to get rid of them”. 

Either way, it’s a stupid fucking thought yall are having. Very Old Testament stupid. 

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4 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

Familiarity breeds contempt. You can’t say that in the Israel thread. “A whole lot of Hamas and Gazans who enable them need to burn or we need to get rid of them”. 

Either way, it’s a stupid fucking thought yall are having. Very Old Testament stupid. 

Stupid people learn in stupid ways. I may not need to touch the fire to know its hot. But a bunch of morons do. I can't help that. It is just an observable fact. 

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56 minutes ago, Nivek said:

The Constitution has gone the ways of the Articles of Confederation in terms of its adaptability in the modern world, where corrupt members of the supreme court define their roles as creating oligarchs instead of honoring their duties.   The current government only works when we have people, regardless of belief, working in good faith.   When we elect and appoint cynicism and corruption, we lack any recourse.  

This is a pretty solid description of where we're at

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8 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

Familiarity breeds contempt. You can’t say that in the Israel thread. “A whole lot of Hamas and Gazans who enable them need to burn or we need to get rid of them”. 

Either way, it’s a stupid fucking thought yall are having. Very Old Testament stupid. 

Really? Have the mods deleted posts from you saying shit to that effect?

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7 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

Familiarity breeds contempt. You can’t say that in the Israel thread. “A whole lot of Hamas and Gazans who enable them need to burn or we need to get rid of them”. 

Either way, it’s a stupid fucking thought yall are having. Very Old Testament stupid. 

A pretty key difference is that the Gazans getting carpet bombed didn't vote for Israel to do so. If you want to make a hollow argument that they voted Hamas in the 2000s and so 20 years later they deserve what's coming to them that's a weird stand to take.

Candidly, the Hamas leadership IS getting their turn of getting burned on the stove. They fucked around with the initial attacks, they're still finding out. The civilians trapped in the middle are hostages, not the consenting public.

 

Here in America, the people fucking around and doing generations of damage were JUST put into office by the consenting public. They need to be disabused of their illusions that they're on the right path. The only way to make the scales fall from their eyes is to impose the pain on them they impose on others.

It's the whole reason there's a leopards eating faces thread.

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9 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

Stupid people learn in stupid ways. I may not need to touch the fire to know its hot. But a bunch of morons do. I can't help that. It is just an observable fact. 

Of course. That statement is FAR from wishing terrorist death on Americans. There is no amount of mental gymnastics that can possibly defend that statement. 

 

8 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

Really? Have the mods deleted posts from you saying shit to that effect?

Nope. 

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19 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

So then you CAN say shit like that in the Israel thread?

You can’t even type something that looks like it, or you’ll get pounced on like Sydney Sweeney on my wife’s divorce lawyer’s conference room table. 

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He’s actually been right. The histrionics come into play when you become so emotionally downtrodden that you WISH DEATH UPON AMERICANS IN A DESPERATE ATTEMPT FOR ATTENTION.

I don’t want attention. I want something to happen that 1) will get the attention of a critical mass of American assholes, 2) to a degree that will get them to change their ways.
Read a history book about movements/trends similar to the one we’re in. They all show a common theme: the only thing that checks those boxes is incredible pain and suffering. Often - routinely - in the form of horrific war.
I don't think it is for attention. He just wants to inflict suffering on those that wished to inflict it on everyone else. I'm totes down for it. Sometimes the only way to learn the fire is hot is to get burned. A whole lot of fucking people need some severe fucking burning to wake them the fuck up. 

Stupid people learn in stupid ways. I may not need to touch the fire to know its hot. But a bunch of morons do. I can't help that. It is just an observable fact. 

These.

Do you think I WANT it to be this way? FFS, I’ve spent a third of my life waving my arms screaming “DON’T GO THERE! IT ENDS IN BLOOD!” But the American people insist on finding out, the hard way.
I’d rather we get that “hard way” over and done with right quick. All the pain, fast, now. So we can stop this destructive shit before it’s too late.
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Posted
1 minute ago, Rex Kramer said:

You can’t even type something that looks like it, or you’ll get pounced on like Sydney Sweeney on my wife’s divorce lawyer’s conference room table. 

You can type it. You might get criticized for it. Who fucking cares? 

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4 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

You can’t even type something that looks like it, or you’ll get pounced on like Sydney Sweeney on my wife’s divorce lawyer’s conference room table. 

...so what you're saying is that you can, in fact, say something like that in the Israel thread, but you're scared of the criticism you anticipate you would receive from other posters and you're characterizing it as something censorious. 

Never change, Rex. You're soft as Charmin, boy.

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Posted
2 hours ago, mchookem said:

i mean yeah, he's a depressing, dramatic broken record...but everything he's been ranting about has and is literally happening. maybe he's a wizard. but at what point do we stop calling is histrionics?

Sometimes crazy is just being right too soon

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2 hours ago, mchookem said:

i mean yeah, he's a depressing, dramatic broken record...but everything he's been ranting about has and is literally happening. maybe he's a wizard. but at what point do we stop calling is histrionics?

Polyanna Sweet Summer Child high on hopium here.  My issue with it is that it is wanting bad shit to happen to prove that bad shit is going to happen (that hasn't happened yet and might not happen).  That's departing from "I want bad things to happen to them so can understand they are wrong" to "I want bad things to happen to them because they are wrong."  Lapses in intel allowing for terrorist attacks haven't happened yet.  Are there any documented instances of people dying because of lost USAID programs?  I'm just not in favor of hyperbole to prove a point here.  There's enough untruth without adding to it.

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11 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

...so what you're saying is that you can, in fact, say something like that in the Israel thread, but you're scared of the criticism you anticipate you would receive from other posters and you're characterizing it as something censorious. 

Never change, Rex. You're soft as Charmin, boy.

Careful. Don't push him. He will tell you to go fuck your mother. Yeah, that is fine.

Mods did not ban him for that, yet here he is whining.

 

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3 minutes ago, Ojo Rojo said:

Polyanna Sweet Summer Child high on hopium here.  My issue with it is that it is wanting bad shit to happen to prove that bad shit is going to happen (that hasn't happened yet and might not happen).  That's departing from "I want bad things to happen to them so can understand they are wrong" to "I want bad things to happen to them because they are wrong."  Lapses in intel allowing for terrorist attacks haven't happened yet.  Are there any documented instances of people dying because of lost USAID programs?  I'm just not in favor of hyperbole to prove a point here.  There's enough untruth without adding to it.

Uh we had Intel and chose not to do anything multiple times. The serious people are no longer in charge. They are beginning to realize that they need to hire back people they fired. Farmers are freaking out that they aren't getting paid for the crops sent by way of USAID. Do they need to eat a bullet because they're bankrupt before it gets important?

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1 minute ago, Captainant said:

Did you read the article?  "Political commentators have blamed the U.S.'s decision to stop sharing intelligence with Ukraine for a Russian missile strike that hit a hotel in Kryvyi Rih where Americans were staying."  Who are these political commentators?  What information do they have?  Also, not a terrorist attack.

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Just now, Ojo Rojo said:

Did you read the article?  "Political commentators have blamed the U.S.'s decision to stop sharing intelligence with Ukraine for a Russian missile strike that hit a hotel in Kryvyi Rih where Americans were staying."  Who are these political commentators?  What information do they have?  Also, not a terrorist attack.

No longer sharing intel with planned and/or incoming missile attacks is absolutely directly attributable to increased deaths in Ukraine. That includes shit like timely notifications of launching equipment moving or getting set up, or attack aircraft fueling up on the apron before taking off to sling death at civilians.

It doesn't take a fuckin' rocket surgeon to add two and two together. 

And honestly? I completely fucking disagree with respect to if it's a terrorist attack or not. There is no objective to these attacks BUT TO CAUSE TERROR in the civilian population. Would you argue that nazi germany's V-1 and V-2 weapons were not terror weapons?

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Posted
7 minutes ago, Ojo Rojo said:

, not a terrorist attack

https://www.politico.eu/article/attacks-will-be-spectacular-cia-war-on-terror-bush-bin-laden/

The drama of failed warnings began when Tenet and Black pitched a plan, in the spring of 2001, called “the Blue Sky paper” to Bush’s new national security team. It called for a covert CIA and military campaign to end the Al Qaeda threat—“getting into the Afghan sanctuary, launching a paramilitary operation, creating a bridge with Uzbekistan.” “And the word back,” says Tenet, “‘was ‘we’re not quite ready to consider this. We don’t want the clock to start ticking.’” (Translation: they did not want a paper trail to show that they’d been warned.) Black, a charismatic ex-operative who had helped the French arrest the terrorist known as Carlos the Jackal, says the Bush team just didn’t get the new threat: “I think they were mentally stuck back eight years [before]. They were used to terrorists being Euro-lefties—they drink champagne by night, blow things up during the day, how bad can this be? And it was a very difficult sell to communicate the urgency to this.”

 

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Posted
3 hours ago, Ojo Rojo said:

Did you read the article?  "Political commentators have blamed the U.S.'s decision to stop sharing intelligence with Ukraine for a Russian missile strike that hit a hotel in Kryvyi Rih where Americans were staying."  Who are these political commentators?  What information do they have?  Also, not a terrorist attack.

Many people are saying. 

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Posted (edited)
9 hours ago, SL Xpress said:

 

There are all kinds of issues even deeper than that.

There are plusses and minuses for the dollar being the world's fiat currency. All of those advantages go away when some other system replaces it, and whatever system it is will not be as stable as what we've seen since WWII. And once another system is implemented, it's not a matter of simply changing administrations and claiming backsies. 

It's like being in a long term relationship and suddenly your partner breaks up with you, gets addicted to cocaine and crystal meth, and starts fucking very bad people. Even if they have a change of mind in the future, a normal person is not simply going to take them back. 

And for what? To save money? That's been the hallucination among the ignorant. I can't tell you how many town halls I've been to in the last 40 years in rural areas where some yokel stands up and declares he could balance the budget in a moment's time - like a Thanos snap - by eliminating foreign aid. Never mind that the lion's share of foreign aid goes to Egypt and Israel, which is politically untouchable. 

Just today a report came out the Congress can't reach their budget goals without making severe cuts in Medicare or Medicaid. That's the reality that Americans don't want to hear. The big obligations for the federal government are Social Security, Department of Defense, Medicare and Medicaid, and those have been untouchable for the most part. So the Republicans keep implementing their popular tax breaks - starting with Reagan in the 80s - and every time the annual deficit balloons. It's crazy how many hard line Republicans there are who claim the budget is their big issue - way more than Democrats - and yet it's always been the Republican Party that's been chiefly responsible for the rampant escalation of the national debt. The principal asset we've been selling to the world for 40 years is our debt. Not just our government debt. Our private sector debt, too. Wall Street has successfully exported our debt around the world, helping the American people live beyond their means for decades, and the world has gone along with it because it's helped lift a number of economies around the world along with it. What happens when some of those countries stop investing in US debt? It doesn't take much. It's not like suddenly there won't be any buyers of US debt. But it's at the margins where prices are determined. And once there's a run on a country, it's challenging to reverse course. 

What the Trump Administration is doing in very fundamental ways is fucking around with how the global economy works. It's amazing how fragile and interdependent the world economies are at this point. A massive implementation of Just In Time management philosophies that attempt to keep stocks low to increase efficiency means even "minor" disruptions have huge impacts on the supply chains and the abilities of governments to manage busts in the economic cycle. Nobody had any idea the bankruptcy of Lehman Brothers would lead to the freezing of credit markets around the world, and require an unparalleled international printing of money to cover over the paper losses on bank inventories so liquidity would return. And of course the lesson learned from all of this - much like bringing your heroin addicted son home and paying for his living costs - is to go back to making the same bad decisions because you'll be bailed out for it in any case. 

Modern economic history - since the establishment of capitalism as the preferred way of setting up Western style economies - is replete with tariff wars ending badly for everyone involved. 

This is the problem with populist policies. They're implemented - much like Caesar's bread and circuses - to make the masses feel good about what's going on, while the real power grab is elsewhere. No one in power truly thinks we're going to save a lot of money by ending foreign aid. It's a sop to the Average Joe to make him feel better that THIS government is finally listening to him, implementing the solutions HE'S been advocating since the 80s. America First baby! What could go wrong!

Thanks for taking the time to respond with a detailed post like that. I appreciate responses like this.

I kept my observations narrowly-focused because the USAID to where I will eventually live is sorely needed. Australia does what they can, but we cannot expect them to be able to keep the entire South Pacific afloat so to speak. We owe those nations far more than we give and if we don’t step up we will lose them for at least a generation or more. This whole thing just sucks watching America descend into chaos and authoritarianism with half the voters cheering it on.

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Also, this type of talk from MAGA is especially infuriating given the extreme wilting hothouse flower sensitivity they all demonstrate at even the mildest slight.  We are in the midst of a sustained eight year temper tantrum because Hilary aptly referred to them as “deplorable.”  The entire career of JD Vance was basically launched on the thesis that it is unkind to inform the menagerie of pillbillies, incels, and semi-hominids that make up the GOP base that most of their problems are due to their own manifold and manifest inadequacies and failings. 

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Posted
6 hours ago, Captainant said:

No longer sharing intel with planned and/or incoming missile attacks is absolutely directly attributable to increased deaths in Ukraine. That includes shit like timely notifications of launching equipment moving or getting set up, or attack aircraft fueling up on the apron before taking off to sling death at civilians.

It doesn't take a fuckin' rocket surgeon to add two and two together. 

And honestly? I completely fucking disagree with respect to if it's a terrorist attack or not. There is no objective to these attacks BUT TO CAUSE TERROR in the civilian population. Would you argue that nazi germany's V-1 and V-2 weapons were not terror weapons?

 

6 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

It was a Russian strike aimed at a civilian target. For the purpose of terrorizing people. Dude. Russia is a terrorist state.

 

6 hours ago, cactusflinthead said:

https://www.politico.eu/article/attacks-will-be-spectacular-cia-war-on-terror-bush-bin-laden/

The drama of failed warnings began when Tenet and Black pitched a plan, in the spring of 2001, called “the Blue Sky paper” to Bush’s new national security team. It called for a covert CIA and military campaign to end the Al Qaeda threat—“getting into the Afghan sanctuary, launching a paramilitary operation, creating a bridge with Uzbekistan.” “And the word back,” says Tenet, “‘was ‘we’re not quite ready to consider this. We don’t want the clock to start ticking.’” (Translation: they did not want a paper trail to show that they’d been warned.) Black, a charismatic ex-operative who had helped the French arrest the terrorist known as Carlos the Jackal, says the Bush team just didn’t get the new threat: “I think they were mentally stuck back eight years [before]. They were used to terrorists being Euro-lefties—they drink champagne by night, blow things up during the day, how bad can this be? And it was a very difficult sell to communicate the urgency to this.”

 

 

6 hours ago, wildcat09 said:

This defensiveness from some Dem posters that some criticism of Trump isn't quite on point is going to drive me insane. 

You don't ever gotta fucking hand it to the nazis. You don't got to defend them. You don't got to credit a Republican who correctly says the sun rises in the east. You don't got to "WELL ACKSHUALLY THAT'S NOT TECHNICALLY TERRORISM" 

Jesus fucking christ, learn your priorities. 

Look, "terrorism" is a loaded word and I understand that the definition has changed a lot, but acts of war between two nations doesn't even fit the current broad definition of terrorism. Was the firebombing of London an act of terrorism? The Tet offensive? If you want to change the definition so you get to use that word for more effect, well then okay.  But it's hardly worth getting into a semantic argument over it.  I fucking hate Trump and everything he's doing as much as anyone.  I totally agree that refusing to share intel here is disgusting and could, and probably will, lead to deaths, civilian and otherwise.  Here is the point I was trying to make:  Trump and his people feast on untruth.  They use hyperbole and just outright made up shit and people believe it and base their votes on it. The linked story relied on "political commentators" as its "source." Don't fucking lie, don't quote news stories based on what political commentators say and don't say "terrorism" when it's fucking not. Don't be like Trump and the fucking Orwellian GOP.

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2 hours ago, UpperWestside said:

Thanks for taking the time to respond with a detailed post like that. I appreciate responses like this.

I kept my observations narrowly-focused because the USAID to where I will eventually live is sorely needed. Australia does what they can, but we cannot expect them to be able to keep the entire South Pacific afloat so to speak. We owe those nations far more than we give and if we don’t step up we will lose them for at least a generation or more. This whole thing just sucks watching America descend into chaos and authoritarianism with half the voters cheering it on.

I would love to discuss this over in the Foreign Policy thread.

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41 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

You are truly a piece of shit. 

I remember when so-called liberals like wildcat09 used to get worked up about major western media pieces calling out GOP and D senators meeting with neo-nazi nationalists in Ukraine. Funny how those neo-nazi nationalists all just disappeared overnight. 

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41 minutes ago, Ojo Rojo said:

 

 

 

Look, "terrorism" is a loaded word and I understand that the definition has changed a lot, but acts of war between two nations doesn't even fit the current broad definition of terrorism. Was the firebombing of London an act of terrorism? The Tet offensive? If you want to change the definition so you get to use that word for more effect, well then okay.  But it's hardly worth getting into a semantic argument over it.  I fucking hate Trump and everything he's doing as much as anyone.  I totally agree that refusing to share intel here is disgusting and could, and probably will, lead to deaths, civilian and otherwise.  Here is the point I was trying to make:  Trump and his people feast on untruth.  They use hyperbole and just outright made up shit and people believe it and base their votes on it. The linked story relied on "political commentators" as its "source." Don't fucking lie, don't quote news stories based on what political commentators say and don't say "terrorism" when it's fucking not. Don't be like Trump and the fucking Orwellian GOP.

How would you characterize the indiscriminate bombings of civilians?

I cited the most widely known terrorist attack on America. It's not hyperbole to say that they ignored the available intel. Tenet is not a political commentator. 

 

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13 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

I remember when so-called liberals like wildcat09 used to get worked up about major western media pieces calling out GOP and D senators meeting with neo-nazi nationalists in Ukraine. Funny how those neo-nazi nationalists all just disappeared overnight. 

I remember when you pretended to have principles. Now you're just a Russian stooge who chugs Putin's cock. But sure, the entire of country of Ukraine is neo-nazi. That fucking tracks. 

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1 minute ago, Dahobbs said:

I remember when you pretended to have principles.

You guys would support Al Qaeda if it furthered you view of American foreign policy "interests". By the way, how is that whole Syria thing going?

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Just now, Anastasis said:

You guys would support Al Qaeda if it furthered you view of American foreign policy "interests". By the way, how is that whole Syria thing going?

Trading you for Lviv’s daily production of untreated sewage would be an unfair deal for Ukraine. 

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2 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

You guys would support Al Qaeda if it furthered you view of American foreign policy "interests". By the way, how is that whole Syria thing going?

You literal support genocide in Ukraine because it'll make other people angry. You are a horrible human being. I sincerely wish all the worst things to happen you. 

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Just now, 956 Worldwide said:

Trading you for Lviv’s daily production of untreated sewage would be an unfair deal for Ukraine. 

"AQ is on our side in Syria" - Jake Sullivan. Same guy running the Ukraine show under the Biden administration while he was napping. 

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I fully support ruzzia raping and murdering civilians now that ana has spoken. The victims are the ones that are al qaeda! Got it! 

What an air stealing waste of space. I can't say what I want to because imma is a facist. I will just say, bless his heart.

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Posted
9 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

But sure, the entire of country of Ukraine is neo-nazi.

I don't think that entire country of Ukraine is neo-nazi. That is just strawmanning. But some of the most powerful nationalist interests certainly are, as well as some of the particular military components. 

That is not a particularly controversial take prior to ca 2022. Pretty widespread acceptance in western media accounts. Of course now, it is verboten to speak. 

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5 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

"AQ is on our side in Syria" - Jake Sullivan. Same guy running the Ukraine show under the Biden administration while he was napping. 

Ana: that child deserved to die by a Russian missile because it makes liberals in the US mad. 

Also Ana: Gitmo is the worst crime against humanity ever.

Ana when his child is killed by a Russian glide bomb: guess she deserved it. 

Just now, Anastasis said:

I don't think that entire country of Ukraine is neo-nazi. That is just strawmanning. But some of the most powerful nationalist interests certainly are, as well as some of the particular military components. 

That is not a particularly controversial take prior to ca 2022. Pretty widespread acceptance in western media accounts. Of course now, it is verboten to speak. 

Did Russia invade Ukraine? Does Russia purposely target civilians? Why do you support these actions? 

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Just now, Anastasis said:

Just more strawmanning. Just silly and unserious things for goldfish brained consumption. 

Yes, that's your schtick. I agree. 

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5 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

Ana: that child deserved to die by a Russian missile because it makes liberals in the US mad. 

Also Ana: Gitmo is the worst crime against humanity ever.

Ana when his child is killed by a Russian glide bomb: guess she deserved it. 

I don’t think Ana’s yet internalized that now it’s HIM who is supporting U.S. foreign policy interests. At some point he’s gotta own up to no longer being the opposition. 

I do think he realizes that actual neo-Nazis have far more influence in the government of the United States than they ever did in Ukraine, because that’s why he voted for this government. 

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You guys will literally drain your entire soul into seeing this neocon experiment from the 1990s and 2000s to completion. No historical evidence nor commentary from political scientists of that time telling you all exactly how this was all going to play out will make you reconsider course. Just total fuckging cucks to the most recent barrage of short term memory media propaganda. 

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