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3 minutes ago, Red Five said:

What is being demanded of Russia? What do they have to give up? You know, the invading country. Who invaded our democratic ally. 

Vlad has to give up sweets for lent. Except on Fridays. That’s a cheat day.

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Since Annie loves him some George Kennan, let’s read some of his Long Telegram:

Spoiler

 

After establishment of Bolshevist regime, Marxist dogma, rendered even more truculent and intolerant by Lenin's interpretation, became a perfect vehicle for sense of insecurity with which Bolsheviks, even more than previous Russian rulers, were afflicted. In this dogma, with its basic altruism of purpose, they found justification for their instinctive fear of outside world, for the dictatorship without which they did not know how to rule, for cruelties they did not dare not to inflict, for sacrifice they felt bound to demand. In the name of Marxism they sacrificed every single ethical value in their methods and tactics. Today they cannot dispense with it. It is fig leaf of their moral and intellectual respectability. Without it they would stand before history, at best, as only the last of that long succession of cruel and wasteful Russian rulers who have relentlessly forced country on to ever new heights of military power in order to guarantee external security of their internally weak regimes. This is why Soviet purposes most always be solemnly clothed in trappings of Marxism, and why no one should underrate importance of dogma in Soviet affairs. Thus Soviet leaders are driven [by?] necessities of their own past and present position to put forward which [apparent omission] outside world as evil, hostile and menacing, but as bearing within itself germs of creeping disease and destined to be wracked with growing internal convulsions until it is given final Coup de grace by rising power of socialism and yields to new and better world. This thesis provides justification for that increase of military and police power of Russian state, for that isolation of Russian population from outside world, and for that fluid and constant pressure to extend limits of Russian police power which are together the natural and instinctive urges of Russian rulers. Basically this is only the steady advance of uneasy Russian nationalism, a centuries old movement in which conceptions of offense and defense are inextricably confused. But in new guise of international Marxism, with its honeyed promises to a desperate and war torn outside world, it is more dangerous and insidious than ever before.

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“Basically this is only the steady advance of uneasy Russian nationalism, a centuries old movement in which conceptions of offense and defense are inextricably confused.”

Ani - ‘So let’s let Russia do what it wants to do’

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On 3/8/2025 at 11:51 AM, Willfully Horn said:


Motion to change the name turnip to krashnov.

 

Alex Mussayev

Biography in quotes and reason for motion below. All this info is pulled from Wikipedia.

In 2025, Mussayev claimed that Donald Trump had been recruited by the KGB when he visited "Moscow as a real estate developer in 1987" and was given the codename "Krasnov". Several sources note that he doesn't provide any clear evidence to support his claim.[a] "Mussayev did not specify that Trump actively or knowingly participated in any espionage activities or provide examples, only that he was recruited",[10] claims that are also asserted by former KGB spies Yuri Shvets[9][16][17][18] and Sergei Zhyrnov.[19] Mussayev also asserted that Trump is compromised:

Although the credibility of the 'Steele dossier' has been vehemently contested by Trump supporters, especially for its use of anonymous sources, Mussayev confirms the existence of kompromat on Trump...:
'I have no doubt that Russia has kompromat on the US President, that over the course of many years the Kremlin has been promoting Trump to the post of President of the main world power.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alnur_Mussayev#Krasnov

The whole Steele Dossier is such a red herring.  Yes, pretty much complete bullshit.

But turns out they were on the right track.  Loads of subsequent evidence of Russian work on behalf of Trump.  And whether it was knowingly accepted by Trumpco (at least some of it surely was), thoroughly supports the Russian stooge notion.

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34 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

The whole Steele Dossier is such a red herring.  Yes, pretty much complete bullshit.

But turns out they were on the right track.  Loads of subsequent evidence of Russian work on behalf of Trump.  And whether it was knowingly accepted by Trumpco (at least some of it surely was), thoroughly supports the Russian stooge notion.

I mean they literally had a meeting with Russians about lifting the Magnitsky act in exchange for dirt on Hillary. Of course he’s a Russian stooge.

Don’t forget trump tower Moscow 

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8 hours ago, royiv said:

What’s with these fuckheads and the “say thank you” garbage?

Ties into the lies about nobody respecting the US unless there's a maniac GOP in office. Recall the claims that the US walked around with a "kick me" sticker on their back until Reagan came got tough with everybody. Nobody pays their share. Everybody is ripping us off. 

See a man (white) sitting in front of the TV. Now see who he really is: a pimply-faced, skinny teenage boy very insecure about his standing and manliness. Any vicarious, puffed out chest action done in his name is welcome. No questions asked.

U-S-A!   U-S-A!  U-S-A!  U-S-A!

If the terrorists were to destroy a couple of skyscrapers today, I wonder how much of Europe and the Americas would cheer.

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7 hours ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Holy shit it is unreal how much Marco is debasing himself. 
 

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At least he got to be Secretary of State. Anastasis does it on a declining internet  sports forum for free. 

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6 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

At least he got to be Secretary of State. Anastasis does it on a declining internet  sports forum for free. 

It’s the friends we make along the way. 

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6 hours ago, Gatorubet said:

Since Annie loves him some George Kennan, let’s read some of his Long Telegram:

Smart dude, huh?  Too bad we didn’t heed his insight and prescience. We fumbled the bag. But hey, the last couple years have a super high cost effectiveness ratio if you discount Ukrainian lives to zero in your model. Ghouls. 

https://www.nytimes.com/1997/02/05/opinion/a-fateful-error.html

https://www.nytimes.com/1998/05/02/opinion/foreign-affairs-now-a-word-from-x.html

 

 

 

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10 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Smart dude, huh?  Too bad we didn’t heed his insight and prescience. We fumbled the bag. But hey, the last couple years have a super high cost effectiveness ratio if you discount Ukrainian lives to zero in your model. Ghouls. 

https://www.nytimes.com/1997/02/05/opinion/a-fateful-error.html

https://www.nytimes.com/1998/05/02/opinion/foreign-affairs-now-a-word-from-x.html

 

 


 

What we should do is stop helping them protect themselves. That will surely keep them safer amiright?

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So as an old dude, I take solace in bombarding my knee jerk Trumpy federal congressional reps with emails/calls on vm about every other day.  Going to try to join the next protest (blue and yellow flags on overpasses type stuff) next chance I get. 

Any recommended charities that any of you recommend?

This is game of thrones type treachery.  Sickening.

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7 minutes ago, The Original Greaser Bob said:

So as an old dude, I take solace in bombarding my knee jerk Trumpy federal congressional reps with emails/calls on vm about every other day.  Going to try to join the next protest (blue and yellow flags on overpasses type stuff) next chance I get. 

Any recommended charities that any of you recommend?

This is game of thrones type treachery.  Sickening.and “A Gift for Putin.”  Buy them guns. 

Unite with Ukraine and”A Giftt For Putin”

 

https://unitewithukraine.com/heroes

https://www.weaponstoukraine.com/
 

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6 hours ago, The Original Greaser Bob said:

So as an old dude, I take solace in bombarding my knee jerk Trumpy federal congressional reps with emails/calls on vm about every other day.  Going to try to join the next protest (blue and yellow flags on overpasses type stuff) next chance I get. 

Any recommended charities that any of you recommend?

This is game of thrones type treachery.  Sickening.

Also, check out a group called MOAS. They are running medical groups from the front straight back. They lost/are losing part of their funding due to some things in DC.

CEO is an interesting dude. Done a lot of cool shit.

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20 hours ago, InkaUtexas said:

Also, check out a group called MOAS. They are running medical groups from the front straight back. They lost/are losing part of their funding due to some things in DC.

CEO is an interesting dude. Done a lot of cool shit.

Inks you can maybe change your avatar back?

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Hold on to your hats when I say this, and I say it in a way that "a broken clock can be wrong twice a day" sort of way, but it actually may be true that Trump is the reason for as good as it can get ceasefire and potentially some sort of end. Bear with me...

From Ukraine's POV on needing Trump:

  • Zelensky (via Kiev) wants to reconcile with USA from that embarrasing meeting
  • Zelensky seems to suggest that the costs of any imperfect ceasefire are currently outweighed by the benefits
  • Those benefits are getting him back in the game and having a seat at the table for any peace negotiation
  • Keeping his job (approvals for now and then later)
  • Fixing the relationship with Trump as it's argued and written that he (USA) still holds sure defeat and/or the closest thing that can be described as victory for Ukraine, in his hands
  • You see that with the reeastablishment of intelligence and money

From Russia's POV on needing Trump:

  • Putin wants to continue the thawing (detente) of relations with USA more broadly in an established way so needs to look cooperative to Trump/DC
  • Russia needs narrative cover for why the cease-fire
  • Russia needs narrative cover for why a peace agreement
  • Putin needs ego cover
  • Putin knows this can't go on forever and Trump is as friendly as he could have ever hoped for and will ever get in Washington

It's weird to think that being an abrasive leader has, for different and same reasons, gotten to this point.

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10 minutes ago, Vegas64 said:

Hold on to your hats when I say this, and I say it in a way that "a broken clock can be wrong twice a day" sort of way, but it actually may be true that Trump is the reason for as good as it can get ceasefire and potentially some sort of end. Bear with me...

From Ukraine's POV on needing Trump:

  • Zelensky (via Kiev) wants to reconcile with USA from that embarrasing meeting
  • Zelensky seems to suggest that the costs of any imperfect ceasefire are currently outweighed by the benefits
  • Those benefits are getting him back in the game and having a seat at the table for any peace negotiation
  • Keeping his job (approvals for now and then later)
  • Fixing the relationship with Trump as it's argued and written that he (USA) still holds sure defeat and/or the closest thing that can be described as victory for Ukraine, in his hands
  • You see that with the reeastablishment of intelligence and money

From Russia's POV on needing Trump:

  • Putin wants to continue the thawing (detente) of relations with USA more broadly in an established way so needs to look cooperative to Trump/DC
  • Russia needs narrative cover for why the cease-fire
  • Russia needs narrative cover for why a peace agreement
  • Putin needs ego cover
  • Putin knows this can't go on forever and Trump is as friendly as he could have ever hoped for and will ever get in Washington

It's weird to think that being an abrasive leader has, for different and same reasons, gotten to this point.

Get this bullshit propaganda disguised as JAQing off out of here.

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12 minutes ago, Vegas64 said:

Hold on to your hats when I say this, and I say it in a way that "a broken clock can be wrong twice a day" sort of way, but it actually may be true that Trump is the reason for as good as it can get ceasefire and potentially some sort of end. Bear with me...

From Ukraine's POV on needing Trump:

  • Zelensky (via Kiev) wants to reconcile with USA from that embarrasing meeting
  • Zelensky seems to suggest that the costs of any imperfect ceasefire are currently outweighed by the benefits
  • Those benefits are getting him back in the game and having a seat at the table for any peace negotiation
  • Keeping his job (approvals for now and then later)
  • Fixing the relationship with Trump as it's argued and written that he (USA) still holds sure defeat and/or the closest thing that can be described as victory for Ukraine, in his hands
  • You see that with the reeastablishment of intelligence and money

From Russia's POV on needing Trump:

  • Putin wants to continue the thawing (detente) of relations with USA more broadly in an established way so needs to look cooperative to Trump/DC
  • Russia needs narrative cover for why the cease-fire
  • Russia needs narrative cover for why a peace agreement
  • Putin needs ego cover
  • Putin knows this can't go on forever and Trump is as friendly as he could have ever hoped for and will ever get in Washington

It's weird to think that being an abrasive leader has, for different and same reasons, gotten to this point.

Your reading on both leaders is dead wrong.

Zelensky isn't pursuing a resolution to get approval ratings and "keep his job."  It's not about him holding on to power.

And Putin isn't going to cash in his chips now.  He has a 100% owned asset in the White House.  He KNOWS he can get better terms out of Trump, because Trump is a TERRIBLE negotiator when someone else at the table has actual strategy and power.  Putin is holding out for.....everything he wants, and nothing less than that.  And Trump will find a way to cave and give it to him.  And Putin KNOWS that.  Why would he cash in now?

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1 hour ago, Vegas64 said:

Hold on to your hats when I say this, and I say it in a way that "a broken clock can be wrong twice a day" sort of way, but it actually may be true that Trump is the reason for as good as it can get ceasefire and potentially some sort of end. Bear with me...

From Ukraine's POV on needing Trump:

  • Zelensky (via Kiev) wants to reconcile with USA from that embarrasing meeting
  • Zelensky seems to suggest that the costs of any imperfect ceasefire are currently outweighed by the benefits
  • Those benefits are getting him back in the game and having a seat at the table for any peace negotiation
  • Keeping his job (approvals for now and then later)
  • Fixing the relationship with Trump as it's argued and written that he (USA) still holds sure defeat and/or the closest thing that can be described as victory for Ukraine, in his hands
  • You see that with the reeastablishment of intelligence and money

From Russia's POV on needing Trump:

  • Putin wants to continue the thawing (detente) of relations with USA more broadly in an established way so needs to look cooperative to Trump/DC
  • Russia needs narrative cover for why the cease-fire
  • Russia needs narrative cover for why a peace agreement
  • Putin needs ego cover
  • Putin knows this can't go on forever and Trump is as friendly as he could have ever hoped for and will ever get in Washington

It's weird to think that being an abrasive leader has, for different and same reasons, gotten to this point.

Everything you ever write is wrong. 

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3 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

Your reading on both leaders is dead wrong.

Zelensky isn't pursuing a resolution to get approval ratings and "keep his job."  It's not about him holding on to power.

And Putin isn't going to cash in his chips now.  He has a 100% owned asset in the White House.  He KNOWS he can get better terms out of Trump, because Trump is a TERRIBLE negotiator when someone else at the table has actual strategy and power.  Putin is holding out for.....everything he wants, and nothing less than that.  And Trump will find a way to cave and give it to him.  And Putin KNOWS that.  Why would he cash in now?

I’m happy to be wrong in this situation as you and others have pointed out.

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Putin slows down he doesn’t stop. He’s played every president until possibly Biden and now he’s back at it with Trump 2.0. Obama, Bush, Clinton, all got played. If he can pause and take more later he absolutely will and any ceasefire will be with that goal in mind.

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I am pretty much aligned with Tim Snyder on this. I would add that Russia absolutely will try to also extract concessions on NATO force posture in the Baltics and Central Europe. 

 

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