Ukraine War

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

1 hour ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

glad we fucking have that cleared up 🙄

Their loved ones can now breath a sigh of relief.

[cactusflinthead 27594]

 

[Brisketexan 104558]

The Novosti article is a written confession.  If I was a prosecutor at the Hague in the genocide trial of russian leadership, it would be the opening exhibit.

"Here's what Russia intended to do, in its own words -- Exhibit 1."

Then....

"And here's how it put that plan into place - [Exhibits 2-5,000, showing massacre after massacre]"

It's a winnable case.

Russia must never be allowed to participate in the civilized world again.  Ever.  If Russians want a nice vacation, they can go to the lovely beaches of North Korea or some shit.

[Nivek 16852]

It seems that stricter sanctions should be put in place.  No more baby food, medicine.

Edited April 4, 2022 by Nivek

[Huckleberry 32694]

What a keen wit you have. 

[Anastasis 23393]

Good stuff here guys.  Will be fun to unpack in a few years when we create some distance. 

[wildcat09 29225]

Ana going pro genocide was definitely on the bingo card.

[Anastasis 23393]

1 minute ago, wildcat09 said:

Ana going pro genocide was definitely on the bingo card.

Delusional strawmen from wildcat was the real easy money. 

[Brisketexan 104558]

Good stuff here guys.  Will be fun to unpack in a few years when we create some distance. 

And what do you think that unpacking will show? Don’t be cryptic - you clearly have thoughts, share them.

[jimmyjazz 45546]

5 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

And what do you think that unpacking will show? Don’t be cryptic - you clearly have thoughts, share them.

You new around here?

[Anastasis 23393]

3 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

And what do you think that unpacking will show? Don’t be cryptic - you clearly have thoughts, share them.

We have been lied to about every single war that we have engaged in during both your and my life times.  I don't know what that unpacking will show, and neither do you.  But I do tend towards the observation that past behavior is the best predictor of future behavior.  

[Brisketexan 104558]

We have been lied to about every single war that we have engaged in during both your and my life times.  I don't know what that unpacking will show, and neither do you.  But I do tend towards the observation that past behavior is the best predictor of future behavior.  

Correct. Thus, neither picture we get is entirely accurate, that’s a no-brainer.
However, one of those pictures is likely significantly more accurate, and less filed with lies, than the other. You know which one. After all, you just raised the “past behavior is the best predictor” rule.

[Anastasis 23393]

Just now, Brisketexan said:

Correct. Thus, neither picture we get is entirely accurate, that’s a no-brainer.
However, one of those pictures is likely significantly more accurate, and less filed with lies, than the other. You know which one. After all, you just raised the “past behavior is the best predictor” rule.

 

I think that the entire information space is flooded and that the russians need to get their ass kicked all the way back across the border and that they need to feel the pain.  I hope that all plays out before some battlefield tactical nukes get rolled out. I think that most of this could have been avoided. I think that there are parties uninterested in avoiding. So here we are. 

[cactusflinthead 27594]

 

[Anastasis 23393]

32 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

You new around here?

You probably listened to Colin Powell and bought that shit hook line and sinker. 

Edited April 5, 2022 by Anastasis

[jimmyjazz 45546]

1 minute ago, Anastasis said:

You probably listened to Colin Powell and bought that shit hook line and sinker. 

In my defense, I wasn't tapped into US foreign relations the way you clearly are, because you are a special breed, with a vast array of truth-telling alt-media sources that none of the rest of us can leverage. 

Or, maybe, you're just full of shit, as usual.  (Connecting dots.)

[Anastasis 23393]

1 minute ago, jimmyjazz said:

In my defense, I wasn't tapped into US foreign relations the way you clearly are, because you are a special breed, with a vast array of truth-telling alt-media sources that none of the rest of us can leverage. 

Or, maybe, you're just full of shit, as usual.  (Connecting dots.)

Jimmy choked this shit down and liked it. Probably condescended to people that pushed back at the time. 

 

[wildcat09 29225]

40 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

We have been lied to about every single war that we have engaged in during both your and my life times.  I don't know what that unpacking will show, and neither do you.  But I do tend towards the observation that past behavior is the best predictor of future behavior.  

This is the same logic antivaxxers use.

[Anastasis 23393]

Just now, wildcat09 said:

This is the same logic antivaxxers use.

This is stupid, even for you. 

[Sawbonz 27398]

57 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

We have been lied to about every single war that we have engaged in during both your and my life times.  I don't know what that unpacking will show, and neither do you.  But I do tend towards the observation that past behavior is the best predictor of future behavior.  

Who do you think the bigger liar here is Ukraine or Russia? Show your work

 

eta what do you think Ukrainian response would be if Russia pulled all troops out

Edited April 5, 2022 by Sawbonz

[Macanudo 12925]

Ana, are you seriously saying Grenada was a lie?  Really?

 

 

I kid, I kid.

[Anastasis 23393]

2 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

Who do you think the bigger liar here is Ukraine or Russia? 

The United States. 

Look within. 

Edited April 5, 2022 by Anastasis

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

1 hour ago, Anastasis said:

We have been lied to about every single war that we have engaged in during both your and my life times.  I don't know what that unpacking will show, and neither do you.  But I do tend towards the observation that past behavior is the best predictor of future behavior.  

True , but this is one war we aren’t yet actually engaged in, and there’s not much ambiguity about whose lying about the causes, and propagation.

Edited April 5, 2022 by Onboard 2.0

[Anastasis 23393]

2 minutes ago, Macanudo said:

Ana, are you seriously saying Grenada was a lie?  Really?

Had a colleague make a hard pitch on relocation to Granada pre-pandemic.  I probably should have listened harder. 

[Make em eat Taco Bell 1549]

Russia should get kicked out of the 5 UN Security Council permanent membership but that will surely be vetoed by China.

[Macanudo 12925]

3 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

The United States. 

Look within. 

All that hates gonna burn you up, son.

[Anastasis 23393]

1 minute ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

True , but this is one war we aren’t yet actually yet engaged in, and there’s not much ambiguity about whose lying about the causes, and propagation.

I like all these "true, but" and "correct, thus" responses. 

 

[Sawbonz 27398]

7 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

The United States. 

Look within. 

That is a complete non sequitur. Answer my question please

[Hagbard Celine 10752]

1 hour ago, Anastasis said:

We have been lied to about every single war that we have engaged in during both your and my life times.  I don't know what that unpacking will show, and neither do you.  But I do tend towards the observation that past behavior is the best predictor of future behavior.  

another actual contribution to the thread

thank you

i will stop pointing these out if you keep it up

 

[Anastasis 23393]

2 minutes ago, Macanudo said:

All that hates gonna burn you up, son.

No hate buddy. Self-reflection is a good thing. Especially when it comes to American foreign policy. Admittedly a rare thing, but still. 

[Anastasis 23393]

Just now, Hagbard Celine said:

another actual contribution to the thread

thank you

i will stop pointing these out if you keep it up

 

See, thing is, most of y'all agree with me, even if you don't like me. 

[Macanudo 12925]

1 minute ago, Anastasis said:

No hate buddy. Self-reflection is a good thing. Especially when it comes to American foreign policy. Admittedly a rare thing, but still. 

Whoosh.

 

Even if I sort of agree with you.

Edited April 5, 2022 by Macanudo

[Sawbonz 27398]

1 minute ago, Anastasis said:

No hate buddy. Self-reflection is a good thing. Especially when it comes to American foreign policy. Admittedly a rare thing, but still. 

Walk me through how United States foreign policy forced the leader of one sovereign state to unilaterally invade its sovereign neighbor

[Hagbard Celine 10752]

1 minute ago, Anastasis said:

See, thing is, most of y'all agree with me, even if you don't like me. 

how would we know?  98% of your posts don't have an opinion

like has nothing to do with it

[Anastasis 23393]

2 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

That is a complete non sequitur. Answer my question please

You question is a red herring. 

[Huckleberry 32694]

1 minute ago, Anastasis said:

You question is a red herring. 

Weak.

This is a thread about the current war in Ukraine. A war on the ground between Russia and Ukraine. The question is not a red herring, it is a direct and relevant question.

You want links to all the examples of your refusal to actually discuss things? Here's one:

https://www.surlyhorns.com/board/index.php?/topic/24249-ukraine-war/&do=findComment&comment=4206541

[Anastasis 23393]

2 minutes ago, Hagbard Celine said:

how would we know?  98% of your posts don't have an opinion

It is funny because other than crazy WTC shit none of your posts on this sub have ever stuck me as something to pay attention to. You literally only get attention for being a lunatic. 

[Sawbonz 27398]

5 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

You question is a red herring. 

Non responsive 

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

13 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

I like all these "true, but" and "correct, thus" responses. 

 

C’mon man what are you arguing here ?  

[Hagbard Celine 10752]

5 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

It is funny because other than crazy WTC shit none of your posts on this sub have ever stuck me as something to pay attention to. You literally only get attention for being a lunatic. 

non-responsive

[Guest Lobo]

How can the greatest country ever be guilty of some of the things y'all are accusing it of?  Just given the ops and dates of what some y'all are spouting off about, many of these heinous crimes against humanity pre-date Joe Biden.  So how do we marry that with your "you think we're so innocent" mantra?  

[Anastasis 23393]

Just now, Sawbonz said:

Non responsive 

I commented on the long and well established history of dishonesty at the intersection of our government/media/military apparatus when it comes to the war drums.  Here we are again.

 

"What about Russia!" "What about Ukraine!" 

 

Jesus Christ guys. 

[Macanudo 12925]

Just now, Anastasis said:

I commented on the long and well established history of dishonesty at the intersection of our government/media/military apparatus when it comes to the war drums.  Here we are again.

 

"What about Russia!" "What about Ukraine!" 

 

Jesus Christ guys. 

But seriously, this thread is about Russia invading Ukraine.   Has the US invaded Mexico or Canada in the last 100 years that I am not aware of?  I mean outside of junior Karens, Chads and Ted Cruz showing up in Cancun?

[Sawbonz 27398]

4 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

I commented on the long and well established history of dishonesty at the intersection of our government/media/military apparatus when it comes to the war drums.  Here we are again.

 

"What about Russia!" "What about Ukraine!" 

 

Jesus Christ guys. 

Non responsive 

[jimmyjazz 45546]

50 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Jimmy choked this shit down and liked it. Probably condescended to people that pushed back at the time. 

 

[Anastasis 23393]

3 minutes ago, Macanudo said:

But seriously, this thread is about Russia invading Ukraine.

Russia deserves to and hopefully gets their shit pushed in without triggering WWIII.

Ostriching the position that America holds in the world, and thus honest reflection on our own role in where things stand today is lazy, imo. Typical.  But lazy. We have an exceedingly short attention span. We'll do this shit over and over and over again until we don't.

 

[jimmyjazz 45546]

2 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Ostriching the position that America holds in the world, and thus honest reflection on our own role in where things stand today is lazy, imo. Typical.  But lazy. We have an exceedingly short attention span. We'll do this shit over and over and over again until we don't.

What exactly are we doing that you would have us not do, specifically, with regard to Russia & Ukraine?  Bonus points for avoiding the verbification of random nouns.

[WhatTheBuck 28705]

Fighting the Germans, Japanese, and Italians in WWII was a good idea.

Trying to reason with Anastasis who is an intellectually dishonest Trump supporter and Russia apologist is a yuuuuge waste of time. 

[Anastasis 23393]

13 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

What exactly are we doing that you would have us not do

Profiteering off death and destruction throughout the world under guise of spreading freedom and democracy while we prop up dictators and authoritarians. 

[Anastasis 23393]

Just as a starting point.