Ukraine War

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1 hour ago, InkaUtexas said:

The anti-aid meltdown commences now.

House passes Ukraine aid bill

The House passed the Ukraine Security Supplemental Appropriations Act with a vote of 311-112. One member – GOP Rep Dan Meuser – voted present.  

Democrats cheered and waved Ukrainian flags during the vote.

The $95 billion package contains $61 billion for Ukraine and regional partners.

One of the bills would provide nearly $61 billion to assist Ukraine and others in the region fight Russia – about the same that was included in the Senate bill.

Of that total, about $23 billion would be used to replenish US weapons, stockpiles and facilities, and more than $11 billion would fund current US military operations in the region. 

Nearly $14 billion included in the bill would help Ukraine buy advanced weapons systems and other defense equipment. 

 

From Zelensky

"Democracy and freedom will always have global significance and will never fail as long as America helps to protect it," Zelensky said in the post. "The vital U.S. aid bill passed today by the House will keep the war from expanding, save thousands and thousands of lives, and help both of our nations to become stronger."

 

God I hope we get the help to them in time 

[LCHorn 2,611]

Jesus, 112 against?

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God I hope we get the help to them in time 

From what I gather, the C-17s are already being loaded…

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On 4/18/2024 at 11:10 PM, Anastasis said:

If I had a dollar for every time one of you sought to frame your words as my own, tell me what I think, or just simply repeated questions that were asked and addressed like seven pages earlier while acting like they remain unfulfilled, I could retire early. 

Back in reality world both your children and mine have been raised in world where the US has been engaged in war for the entirety of their lives. Maybe you don't favor the reality, but that doesn't change the reality. And it's hard to connect the dots between your rhetoric and aspirations and reality when you stand behind all of those wars in real time during the run up and the barking sounds a lot like warmongers like john bolton. 

 

On 4/18/2024 at 11:14 PM, Anastasis said:

I understand that unless they are funded by Raytheon, they are suspect to you. 

I love how you cry about someone else putting words in your mouth then in the same post and another 4 minutes later, you do exactly that to other posters.

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1 hour ago, atomheartbevo said:

 

I know it might be fun to laugh at them but they need to stop giving these people air time and start calling into question their actions.   Investigate their funding as well.  

[Nivek 16,913]

2 hours ago, InkaUtexas said:

The anti-aid meltdown commences now.

House passes Ukraine aid bill

The House passed the Ukraine Security Supplemental Appropriations Act with a vote of 311-112. One member – GOP Rep Dan Meuser – voted present.  

Democrats cheered and waved Ukrainian flags during the vote.

The $95 billion package contains $61 billion for Ukraine and regional partners.

One of the bills would provide nearly $61 billion to assist Ukraine and others in the region fight Russia – about the same that was included in the Senate bill.

Of that total, about $23 billion would be used to replenish US weapons, stockpiles and facilities, and more than $11 billion would fund current US military operations in the region. 

Nearly $14 billion included in the bill would help Ukraine buy advanced weapons systems and other defense equipment. 

 

From Zelensky

"Democracy and freedom will always have global significance and will never fail as long as America helps to protect it," Zelensky said in the post. "The vital U.S. aid bill passed today by the House will keep the war from expanding, save thousands and thousands of lives, and help both of our nations to become stronger."

 

Not enough.  We need to triple that.   

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16 minutes ago, Nivek said:

I know it might be fun to laugh at them but they need to stop giving these people air time and start calling into question their actions.   Investigate their funding as well.  

Yep, like this

Moskowitz: It’s enough of Marjorie’s colleagues sitting there and looking normal while she’s saying the reason why we can’t support Ukraine is because they’re like Germany in the late 1930’s. No, they’re not… Moscow Marge is trying to do this Nazi thing which is literally what Putin is saying. It’s the identical argument. And then she thinks she’s funny by filing amendments on space lasers… We don’t need her help. She is not the spokesman for the Jewish people

 

[Satchel 6,912]

Can anybody explain why the Magalitia thinks its conservative to support a guy who blows passenger planes out of the sky, throws political opponents out of windows of high rise buildings, poisons journalists, murders incarcerated dissents and kills thousands of innocents in Ukraine?

[InkaUtexas 25,836]

5 minutes ago, Satchel said:

Can anybody explain why the Magalitia thinks its conservative to support a guy who blows passenger planes out of the sky, throws political opponents out of windows of high rise buildings, poisons journalists, murders incarcerated dissents and kills thousands of innocents in Ukraine?

Role model? Wishful thinking? Or just a bought schmuck. And I mean her, not you!

Edited April 20 by InkaUtexas
Clarification

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1 hour ago, LCHorn said:

Jesus, 112 against?

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On 4/18/2024 at 11:10 PM, Anastasis said:

 

Back in reality world both your children and mine have been raised in world where the US has been engaged in war for the entirety of their lives. Maybe you don't favor the reality, but that doesn't change the reality. And it's hard to connect the dots between your rhetoric and aspirations and reality when you stand behind all of those wars in real time during the run up and the barking sounds a lot like warmongers like john bolton. 

 

My children and yours have reaped untold benefits from all of those "wars", can you imagine how different the world would be right now if the US sunk back into a non intervention reclusive country post WW2. Did we screw up over that time, yeah we sure as hell did but we also got some things right and at the end of the day, we're still speaking English, the dollar is the most sought after currency, we still have the strongest military and most of the world still looks to us on just about everything. 

None of that would be possible if we didn't stick our nose in other peoples business to try and shape the world in our favor

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She opens with "Waiving the Ukrainian Flag" on the House floor?  She's been in Congress long enough to have seen a number of foreign dignitaries speak before the House, or at least visit.  It is customary when discussing aid to a foreign nation or hosting a foreign official, to display their flag.  Either on a lapel pin, or waiving a small flag, or posting their formal flag on a fixed pole.  This happens all the time.  

Somebody could fuck with her and put up the USSR flag.  She'd be mortified, not because of the Moscow Marge implication.  But because a hammer and sickle is how she lost her two toes, respectively. 

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18 minutes ago, Satchel said:

Can anybody explain why the Magalitia thinks its conservative to support a guy who blows passenger planes out of the sky, throws political opponents out of windows of high rise buildings, poisons journalists, murders incarcerated dissents and kills thousands of innocents in Ukraine?

Because they are low-conscientious cult members.    They latched on to the Cult of Trump and they are along for the ride wherever it goes.   If he told them to drink Trump's piss, they would.   Admitting they were conned is worse than death/imprisonment.  

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So she pushed an amendment saying anyone who voted yes joins the Ukrainian military? Um, it is seen as illegal to enlist in a foreign military. So she calling for her fellow congress members to break the law? Crazy woman......

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One of Greene's amendments called for supporters of the bill, which would see tens of billions of dollars in aid sent to Ukraine, to enlist in the country's military in its fight against Russia.

Putin's Special Envoy! I love her being referred as that.

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Jared Moskowitz, a Democrat representing Florida's 23rd congressional district, has openly mocked Marjorie Taylor Greene by saying he submitted an amendment appointing her as "Putin's Special Envoy to the United States Congress."

https://www.businessinsider.com/mtg-mocked-by-jared-moskowitz-ukraine-russia-2024

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This was a devastating defeat for Putin today. Even though the vote in the US Senate is still ahead of us, due to the Democrat majority and the fact that several Republicans will support the bill anyway, this vote is all but a formality. The implications cannot be entirely measured, yet, but they are for sure substantial. Both, the Ukraine bill but likely even more the bill to divert Russian funds to Ukraine will hurt Russia on a scale unseen. Aside from the irony that Russian money will be used to destroy Russian invaders, there is also another side effect. Many Russian oligarchs will silently blame Putin for this blunder (one of many). Usually Putin tried to compensate that kind of blows by giving those Oligarchs something in exchange, but the sheer volume will make this impossible. We are not talking about few peanuts but billions which are goon for good. Vladimir can hardly shrug that off and they will not forget this either. The tensions in the Putin systems will inevitably rise. This outcome will have also a huge impact on the MAGA movement which obviously experienced a Waterloo-class defeat today. It will not upend them now, but it is clear that it will be generally considered a huge disappointment. Not few in MAGA movement are full blown isolationists and made it all about this. Trump might think that making this a loan makes a difference but the truth is nobody gives a F. It will be anyway mostly forgiven and paid with Russian money. Nobody cares. Trump obviously dropped the ball and they will not forget that. Surely, they will not vote for Biden, but they will not vote for the Republicans either. What comes now is not only a huge moral boost for the Ukrainian defenders but also a substantial support in the coming weeks. The effects of the bill will need time to materialize but with the certainty of its arrival Ukraine will be able to finally stop rationing ammunition and start shooting back. This aid as well as the European support, which due to this delay has grown considerably as well, will give Ukrainian forces the edge to withstand the Russian onslaught and potentially even more. It is necessary to carefully plan the next steps and hammer out a strategy which will break the stalemate and bring the victory which was enshrined in the bill which passed the House. In short, it was a very good day.

 

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What a morbid group of people. Yeah Ma'am, clean your teeth while in session. What, no dick to play with?

 

Edited April 21 by InkaUtexas

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3 hours ago, Satchel said:

Can anybody explain why the Magalitia thinks its conservative to support a guy who blows passenger planes out of the sky, throws political opponents out of windows of high rise buildings, poisons journalists, murders incarcerated dissents and kills thousands of innocents in Ukraine?

Dissidents. 

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3 hours ago, Satchel said:

Can anybody explain why the Magalitia thinks its conservative to support a guy who blows passenger planes out of the sky, throws political opponents out of windows of high rise buildings, poisons journalists, murders incarcerated dissents and kills thousands of innocents in Ukraine?

Lib tears aren’t gonna taste themselves!

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For anyone curious about who voted against Ukrainian aid, here are the Texas Congress critters:

Name, Where they represent, Where they grew up, and Where they got their undergrad.

Arrington, Jodey
TX-19: Lubbock, Abilene, Big Spring, Plainview, Andrews, Snyder, Levelland, Sweetwater
From Plainview, TX
Texas Tech University

Babin, Brian
TX-36: Baytown, Deer Park, Clear Lake, Beaumont, Lumberton, Jasper
From Pt. Arthur, TX
Lamar University

Cloud, Michael
TX-27: Corpus Christi, Victoria, Rockport, Lockhart, Beeville, Gonzales
From Baton Rouge, LA
Oral Roberts University

De La Cruz, Monica
TX-15: McAllen, Edinburg, Alice, Seguin
From Brownsville, Texas
UT-San Antonio

Fallon, Pat
TX-4: West Plano, Frisco, Rockwall, Sherman, Denison, Paris, Sulphur Springs
From Pittsfield, Massachusetts
Notre Dame

Gooden, Lance
TX-5: Garland, East Mesquite, Forney, Terrell, Kaufman, Athens, Mineola
From Terrell, Texas
UT-Austin

Jackson, Ronny
TX-13: Amarillo, Wichita Falls, Denton, Hereford, Pampa, Bridgeport
From Levelland, Texas
Texas A&M University at Galveston 

Luttrell, Morgan
TX-8: NW Houston, North Katy, South Cypress, Magnolia, Conroe, Livingston, New Waverly, Willis
From Willis, Texas
Sam Houston State University

Nehls, Troy
TX-22: South Katy, Cinco Ranch, Pearland, Alvin, East Sugar Land, Rosenburg, Richmond, Wharton, El Campo, Bay City
From Beaver Dam, Wisconsin
Liberty University

Pfluger, August
TX-11: Midland, Odessa, San Angelo, Brownwood, Lampasas, Llano, South Killeen
From San Angelo
US Air Force Academy

Roy, Chip
TX-21: Alamo Heights, NE San Antonio, New Braunfels, Boerne, Barton Creek, Dripping Springs, Kerrville, Fredericksburg
From Loudoun County, Virginia
University of Virginia

Self, Keith
TX-3: East Frisco, McKinney, Allen, Wylie, Greenville, Commerce
From Amarillo, Texas
United States Military Command

Van Duyne, Beth
TX-24: NE Tarrant, Grapevine, Carrollton, Park Cities, North Dallas
From Cooperstown, New York
Cornell University

Weber, Randy
TX-14: Galveston, Texas City, League City, Angleton, Lake Jackson, Freeport, West Columbia
From Pearland, Texas
University of Houston-Clear Lake

Williams, Roger
TX-25: Arlington, Burleson, Cleburne, Granbury, Stephenville, Comanche, Mineral Wells, Graham, Jacksboro, Eastland
From Fort Worth
TCU

Link to all 112.

Edited April 21 by bolverk
screwed up TX-8 & TX-22

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2 hours ago, Bojack said:

I love how you cry about someone else putting words in your mouth then in the same post and another 4 minutes later, you do exactly that to other posters.

WW love him the MIC. He has explicitly told you this many times here. Like, "I love General Dynamics". That's a direct quote. Not words put into mouth. In another thread he is reading out articles from The War Zone, sponsored by Boeing. This is not something that he is ashamed of at all, you don't need to be defensive for him.

 

[Anastasis 23,445]

3 hours ago, Smax said:

 

My children and yours have reaped untold benefits from all of those "wars", can you imagine how different the world would be right now if the US sunk back into a non intervention reclusive country post WW2. Did we screw up over that time, yeah we sure as hell did but we also got some things right and at the end of the day, we're still speaking English, the dollar is the most sought after currency, we still have the strongest military and most of the world still looks to us on just about everything. 

None of that would be possible if we didn't stick our nose in other peoples business to try and shape the world in our favor

Yeah, I am just going to reject your counterfactual. I know that many here will accept it uncritically. We're still speaking English! JFC. The petrodollar! Yeah, tell me all about the pariah state situation. But I do appreciate the fact that you at least quite clear in your view that the American way of life post-WWII is inseparable from endless war making and naked self-interest, long run consequences and thinking be damned, we'll just muddle through the blowback. I think that that kind of cut through it honesty is worthy of some praise.   

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Lend lease is up for renewal in the Senate.

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52 minutes ago, bolverk said:

Luttrell, Morgan
TX-8: 
From Willis, Texas
Sam Houston State University

I would have thought someone with his background would be in favor of killing Russians however it’s done, weird.

Edited April 21 by LCHorn

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16 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Yeah, I am just going to reject your counterfactual. I know that many here will accept it uncritically. We're still speaking English! JFC. The petrodollar! Yeah, tell me all about the pariah state situation. But I do appreciate the fact that you at least quite clear in your view that the American way of life post-WWII is inseparable from endless war making and naked self-interest, long run consequences and thinking be damned, we'll just muddle through the blowback. I think that that kind of cut through it honesty is worthy of some praise.   

Have to break a few eggs before you can make an omelette , the world is an ugly place man and alot shit happens behind the scenes that no one really wants to talk about to ensure we can live how we want.

As long we are the ones on top, Im ok with that

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2 minutes ago, LCHorn said:

I would have thought someone with his background would be in favor of killing Russians however it’s done, weird.

How about the two who went to US Military schools?

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5 minutes ago, LCHorn said:

I would have thought someone with his background would be in favor of killing Russians however it’s done, weird.

Dude is a moron

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4 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

How about the two who went to US Military schools?

How about the one who was actually born in Ukraine?

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1 minute ago, berlinerbaer said:

How about the one who was actually born in Ukraine?

Missed that...Who? I did not look at the entire list.

 

 

Edited April 21 by InkaUtexas

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59 minutes ago, bolverk said:

Babin, Brian
TX-36: Baytown, Deer Park, Clear Lake, Beaumont, Lumberton, Jasper
From Pt. Arthur, TX
Lamar University

His district runs from Jasper to Clearlake? Lol what is it 3 miles wide?

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1 minute ago, InkaUtexas said:

Missed that...Who? I did not look at the entire list.

 

 

Victoria Sparz

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3 minutes ago, berlinerbaer said:

Victoria Sparz

Damn. Did not know that. I don't track indiana politics.

Worked for a client up there. Hated when I had to visit. Good breakfasts though.

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2 hours ago, InkaUtexas said:

What a morbid group of people. Yeah Ma'am, clean your teeth while in session. What, no dick to play with?

 

Aside from the dicks on each side of her.   

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I think she's doing that thing where you check our own breath to see if still smells like cock.  

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5 hours ago, Satchel said:

Can anybody explain why the Magalitia thinks its conservative to support a guy who blows passenger planes out of the sky, throws political opponents out of windows of high rise buildings, poisons journalists, murders incarcerated dissents and kills thousands of innocents in Ukraine?

1. Trump told them how to think and how to vote,

2. Trump wants to build a hotel in Moscow.  And maybe be the recipient of some/more money from Putin.

 

That's it, really.  And doing a Russian-style "catch and kill" of the golden shower tape.

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5 hours ago, Satchel said:

Can anybody explain why the Magalitia thinks its conservative to support a guy who blows passenger planes out of the sky, throws political opponents out of windows of high rise buildings, poisons journalists, murders incarcerated dissents and kills thousands of innocents in Ukraine?

The transitive principle applies. They love Trump, Trump loves Putin, therefore they love Putin.

They’re not conservative. That term has lost all meaning where the Trumpublicans are concerned. It’s just a meaningless label. 

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56 minutes ago, Smax said:

Have to break a few eggs before you can make an omelette , the world is an ugly place man and alot shit happens behind the scenes that no one really wants to talk about to ensure we can live how we want.

As long we are the ones on top, Im ok with that

There is very little that you cannot justify with this logic. Grab the box and the jumper cables. The towel and board. Again at least you are honest about your perspective on American values.  

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Just now, Anastasis said:

There is very little that you cannot justify with this logic. Grab the box and the jumper cables. The towel and board. Again at least you are honest about your perspective on American values.  

Literally everything you post is pseudo-intellectual word salad. 

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2 hours ago, InkaUtexas said:

What a morbid group of people. Yeah Ma'am, clean your teeth while in session. What, no dick to play with?

 

Sorry, that one is my fault. She told me to shoot it on her tits, but my aim was a bit off.

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1 minute ago, Bullneck said:

Literally everything you post is pseudo-intellectual word salad. 

How many crayons did you eat today?

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2 minutes ago, HornOnTheBayou said:

Sorry, that one is my fault. She told me to shoot it on her tits, but my aim was a bit off.

Well her's and yours reboot idea for a new gun-themed restaurant sounds playful.  

What is the Jalapeno Popper situation at happy hour?  

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Having better weapons so we can kill the bad guys is in fact very good. 
 

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Sending air defense to Ukraine so apartment blocs don’t get bombed is like waterboarding, some absolutely galaxy brain Anastasis takes in here.