Ukraine War

[Nivek 16923]

46 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

That attitude is why this board is a great feeding ground for trolls. Years and years and years go by with people setting out a virtual all-you-can-eat buffet for the trolls thinking they’re making a difference by “calling them out” when all they’re actually doing is amplifying the trolls’ dumbassery. The effect you think you’re achieving isn’t happening. The opposite is. Ignore the trolls. That’s the only way to deal with them.

Not all trolls are created equal.   Some warrant a different tactic.  

[Mrs Whiggins 13050]

SIAP. This is not about the climate conference itself for anyone who would wish to make it so, it is about a Russian delegate speaking openly on a world stage. Bold.

 

[SizzleChest 8283]

33 minutes ago, cactusflinthead said:

Regrouping this morning with fresh talking points

Yeah for trying to extort Zelenskyy 

[RomaVicta 29907]

4 hours ago, WhatTheBuck said:

We still need to interrogate that translator from the Helsinki meeting who was, presumably, the only American in the room. 

Only time I've ever used this: ISWYDT.

Outstanding.

[Sawbonz 27548]

15 hours ago, henrygandorf said:

just catching up on the thread and saw a couple of people positing how trump would've handled this.  hmm.

-biden rallied europe and nato and everyone is on the same page regarding action, inaction, supplies, troops, and sanctions.

-biden's ic gathered vast intel and made it very public, especially to those who needed it.

-biden has made sure everyone is clear in regards to our (america + our allies) feelings towards putin (part of bullet 1).

from what we know about trump, his history with nato and european leaders, his horrendous relationship with the intelligence community, and his rom-com antics with putin - without much guesswork, we can cast the first stone.

Biden is using a top Republican as the admins mouthpiece on events to preemptively block the usual trolls from questioning/criticizing the progress being made. Truly brilliant move 

[Hagbard Celine 10854]

3 hours ago, Nivek said:

Notice how effective our intelligence agencies are when there is a Democratic President in charge?

dude, the gravity well is constant

this is just the first time in the modern computing era that it has been necessary to use it to counter a nuclear threat

[RomaVicta 29907]

15 hours ago, Gil Bang said:

 

I vill keel all black Russians entering Ukraine!

[NAVY 6740]

Called this yesterday. These assholes think this is cancel culture. JFC you dumb PoS 

 

[Pescado_Rojo 19416]

6 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

Biden is using a top Republican as the admins mouthpiece on events to preemptively block the usual trolls from questioning/criticizing the progress being made. Truly brilliant move 

That has to be driving Trump, and by extension the Trumpkin wing of the party nuts. So in addition to making it hard to shoot the messenger, it fans the flames of the Republican civil war. Expect to see a full court press against "Little Marco" in the coming weeks. 

[henrygandorf 29189]

10 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

Biden is using a top Republican as the admins mouthpiece on events to preemptively block the usual trolls from questioning/criticizing the progress being made. Truly brilliant move 

i don't know if i'd call ron johnson a "top" republican.

[RomaVicta 29907]

15 hours ago, cactusflinthead said:

 

You can find parallels but you won't find anything that exceeds what we see in Ukraine today.

We, the US, don't do naked conquest. We also find at least an arguable moral grounds for some of our invasions. I want to be clear about that.

A lesson we should have learned and Putin is now learning is that a massive display of lethal force generally doesn't force immediate capitulation. People don't like it when you kill their cousins, sisters, fathers, and friends. They can be as courageous as anyone and fight back. It's a valuable lesson even if obvious.

Invaders are generally unpopular.

[Willfully Horn 8014]

5 hours ago, WhatTheBuck said:

Mike DeWine says no Russian vodka for you.

https://www.nbc4i.com/news/local-news/columbus/dewine-orders-stop-to-sales-of-russian-vodka-in-ohio/

 

This makes me wonder about the possibility of buying Moscoskya, or however “Moscow water” is spelled. Used to be available at the turn of the century. Guy at Spec’s told me that when their economy was strong enough, it was consumed domestically. 

While I don’t wish suffering on the rank and file, it seems necessary to build the pressure required to affect Putin’s standing. I’m no expert, and potato magic is good enough for me, but that vodka was damn good. 

[Nivek 16923]

7 minutes ago, NAVY said:

Called this yesterday. These assholes think this is cancel culture. JFC you dumb PoS 

 

She is not good at reading the room.

[Make em eat Taco Bell 1549]

apparently there is a small / tiny neo Nazi part of the Ukranian military.  Still does not justify an invasion, but Putin isn't entirely wrong. 

It's a complicated read, hard to pin down if the Azov guys are mostly neo-Nazis or even just a small percentage within the group. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Battalion

 On 12 November 2014, Azov was incorporated into the National Guard of Ukraine, and since then all members are contract soldiers serving in the National Guard of Ukraine.^[10]

 

 

[Nivek 16923]

17 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

Biden is using a top Republican as the admins mouthpiece on events to preemptively block the usual trolls from questioning/criticizing the progress being made. Truly brilliant move 

Of course he is.  He just bought them credibility.  Now they have to maintain it.  

[Longhorn_Fan68 33869]

1 hour ago, pyrohornIII said:

So 70 odd years ago this country was caught up in a frenzy of fear of Russian meddling within our country, presumably because of the communist threat to overthrow democracy.   Lots of people lost their livelihoods and more because of this.   The theoretical basis of communism was equality across the bases, right?

Fast forward 50 years to the age that sees the beginning of Russian meddling in the form of money flowing through NRA and others, Maria Buttina, Steve Bannon, etc.  But it's not really communism they are peddling this time is it?  It's authoritarianism.    Which is not equality, it's quite the opposite.

Which side would McCarthy land on this time?  Why is there no outcry from the country to do the special hearings?  Because this time the Russians aren't pushing anything that approaches equality for all.  So the money isn't behind bringing down a movement (authoritarian) that keeps money and power in the hands of the few.   

I just can't help but think all these Republicans propping up Putin are doing so as a last ditch attempt to keep their skeletons in the closet and not allow anyone to investigate how deeply Putin has his claws into some of our elected officials.   And the second leg of this is the need to minimize Biden, because they know if he comes out of this with more credibility, the harder it will be to defeat Democrats, which eventually will lead to some investigations.  

 

excellent post and points. I've had an inkling of this idea, but you put into a more tangible point.

also:

[henrygandorf 29189]

2 minutes ago, Make em eat Taco Bell said:

apparently there is a small / tiny neo Nazi part of the Ukranian military.  Still does not justify an invasion, but Putin isn't entirely wrong. 

yeah, it's been a rough few days, but i'm ready to give putin the benefit of the doubt.

[Mrs Whiggins 13050]

10 minutes ago, NAVY said:

Called this yesterday. These assholes think this is cancel culture. JFC you dumb PoS 

 

 Wendy, tell me you have a history of kiting checks without telling me you have a history of kiting checks.

[Radical Larry 28588]

[henrygandorf 29189]

another good thread from wilson.

 

 

Edited February 27, 2022 by henrygandorf

[Sawbonz 27548]

13 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

i don't know if i'd call ron johnson a "top" republican.

[cactusflinthead 27598]

 

[Pescado_Rojo 19416]

9 minutes ago, Make em eat Taco Bell said:

apparently there is a small / tiny neo Nazi part of the Ukranian military.  Still does not justify an invasion, but Putin isn't entirely wrong. 

It's a complicated read, hard to pin down if the Azov guys are mostly neo-Nazis or even just a small percentage within the group. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Battalion

 On 12 November 2014, Azov was incorporated into the National Guard of Ukraine, and since then all members are contract soldiers serving in the National Guard of Ukraine.^[10]

 

 

Yea, we dedicated about 6 pages of this very thread to this a few days ago (before the invasion). 

[Make em eat Taco Bell 1549]

6 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

yeah, it's been a rough few days, but i'm ready to give putin the benefit of the doubt.

not the point of my post, but facts, no matter how irrelevant, do exist.  Putin is using a very immaterial fact disproportionately for his actions.

[Dr. Teeth 5844]

11 minutes ago, Nivek said:

She is not good at reading the room.

The only person in the room with her is Trump. She’s reading that room correctly. 

[henrygandorf 29189]

27 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

Biden is using a top Republican as the admins mouthpiece on events to preemptively block the usual trolls from questioning/criticizing the progress being made. Truly brilliant move 

it's almost as if he's behaving like the adult in the room and like someone running an actual functioning government.

very few of us were for biden during the primary process, but he campaigned on this, and now he's doing it. 

[henrygandorf 29189]

3 minutes ago, Make em eat Taco Bell said:

not the point of my post, but facts, no matter how irrelevant, do exist.  Putin is using a very immaterial fact disproportionately for his actions.

i make the occasional joke on this website.  nice to meet you.

[PenelopeWitherspoon 19101]

So, which American politicians do we find out have been bought and paid for by Russia other than Trump?  Ron Johnson?  

[Sawbonz 27548]

2 minutes ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

So, which American politicians do we find out have been bought and paid for by Russia other than Trump?  Ron Johnson?  

Clearly Wendy Rogers. Likely tulsi gabbard 

[Gil Bang 25946]

9 minutes ago, cactusflinthead said:

 

This guy (and his org)  is really doing amazing work.   For anybody that wants to support an amazing humanitarian group, WCK is beyond worthy.   I wish that I could afford to give them more than I do. 

[cactusflinthead 27598]

 

[Gil Bang 25946]

 

[cactusflinthead 27598]

 

[Gil Bang 25946]

 

[David Dennison 18856]

6 minutes ago, cactusflinthead said:

 

Weakness and ineptitude like pulling the U.S. out of the Open Skies Treaty? Shaking down the Ukrainian government for campaign dirt? Removing Ukrainian defense from the Republican Party platform?

That kind of weakness and ineptitude?

[Francisco 2.0 32389]

42 minutes ago, Nivek said:

She is not good at reading the room.

 

Her "room" is filled with people like her, so in that regard, she's doing a fine job.

 

 

[henrygandorf 29189]

rambo.

 

[cactusflinthead 27598]

Just now, David Dennison said:

Weakness and ineptitude like pulling the U.S. out of the Open Skies Treaty? Shaking down the Ukrainian government for campaign dirt? Removing Ukrainian defense from the Republican Party platform?

That kind of weakness and ineptitude?

[Sbbruin 21847]

9 minutes ago, Gil Bang said:

 

 

[Francisco 2.0 32389]

 

 

[David Dennison 18856]

Firing generals already?

 

[Left Coast 863]

The Putin-as-Hitler video of this conflict is going to be epic

[bolverk 29671]

I realize I'm stating the obvious, to this crowd at least, that the remarkable, albeit delayed, response by our EU/NATO allies can only be achieved through collective action among friends. Yes, it can be a noisy cacophony of out-of-tune notes at times but once we're all playing the same tune, it can be a tremendously powerful and beautiful orchestra. Seventy-five years ago, the US volunteered to be the conductor of this sometimes squabbling band and, yes, it can be a pain in the ass at times, but without it we'd be in a far worse place.

It's clearly not over yet and this effort may not still work, but disunity in the West, and Europe in particular, guarantees failure. My hope is that those of us who already knew this lesson will never forget it and that those of you who are the slow, the obstinate, or the agitators actually finally fucking learn it.

Fuck the nationalists, the isolationists, the America Firsters, and the Brexit supporters all of whom have weakened the Western Alliance by their cheering on the fracture of the EU or desiring to leave NATO. Let's make some beautiful music together, motherfuckers.

[PenelopeWitherspoon 19101]

18 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

 

 

Welp, he dead.

[Fudge Nuggets 19190]

1 hour ago, Make em eat Taco Bell said:

apparently there is a small / tiny neo Nazi part of the Ukranian military.

There’s a small / tiny neo Nazi part of the US military. What’s your point?

[bolverk 29671]

27 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

rambo.

 

Such a good boy!

[Hagbard Celine 10854]

31 minutes ago, Gil Bang said:

 

@immamac pin this to the top of this thread pleaase

it would be nice to pin it to the top of the site but i'm sure the DT crowd would bitch

 

[aggie08 21498]

Just now, Fudge Nuggets said:

There’s a small / tiny neo Nazi part of the US military. What’s your point?

Yeah, I was going to say. We wouldn't be cool if Canada invaded to take care of our growing white nationalist problem for us. They're horrible, racist shitbags, but they're our horrible, racist shitbags.

[Hagbard Celine 10854]

22 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

 

 

fired for dissent or fired for fail

[shakahorn 1645]

Biden is using a top Republican as the admins mouthpiece on events to preemptively block the usual trolls from questioning/criticizing the progress being made. Truly brilliant move 

Gotta admit when Rubio started tweeting about this, my first thought was ‘has to be a different Marco Rubio.’ Kinda like how Jon Favreau isn’t that guy from Swingers and Chef.