Ukraine War

[Francisco 2.0 32290]

 

 

[Gil Bang 25865]

1 minute ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

 

yes, a few. Turkish-made Bayraktars. That video of that dude talking to the Russian troops earlier in the thread mentioned them. I'll try to dig up the video. Might make more sense knowing that is what he talking about
https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/russia-ukraine-latest-news-2022-02-26/card/ukraine-says-it-uses-turkish-made-drones-to-hit-russian-targets-DrigGO7vkGfDzbBuncnA

https://www.globalfirepower.com/countries-comparison-detail.php?country1=russia&country2=ukraine

Good info.  Thx. 

[NAVY 6738]

There sure is a lot of finding out going on. 
 

I have have to believe that RU war gamed the hell out of this invasion (10s of thousands of iterations).  Were non-combat scenarios even considered? 
 

Anyhow, no, you can’t have YouTube bitch. Enjoy some more consequences 

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-demands-google-restore-access-its-media-youtube-channels-ukraine-2022-02-27/

 

[BigOrange1 6416]

3 minutes ago, NAVY said:

There sure is a lot of finding out going on. 
 

I have have to believe that RU war gamed the hell out of this invasion (10s of thousands of iterations).  Were non-combat scenarios even considered? 
 

Anyhow, no, you can’t have YouTube bitch. Enjoy some more consequences 

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-demands-google-restore-access-its-media-youtube-channels-ukraine-2022-02-27/

 

the next step is to strenuously demand.

[Bullneck 18976]

2 hours ago, Left Coast said:

The Putin-as-Hitler video of this conflict is going to be epic

 

It's coming.  Someone is writing the script right now.  

- The part where he tells everyone to leave the room except 3 generals, ("Just tell me about the Dallas game" or "Anyone who blames Ozil for this, leave the room now")

- The tirade ("We had homefield advantage!" or "That's right, Eli Manning, not even Peyton Manning?")

- The crying girl overhearing the yelling ("He can buy another jersey")

- The part at the end where Hitler is hunched over, looking at his shoes (I can't thing of a good one right now)

Edited February 27, 2022 by Bullneck

[Francisco 2.0 32290]

2 minutes ago, NAVY said:

I have have to believe that RU war gamed the hell out of this invasion (10s of thousands of iterations).  Were non-combat scenarios even considered? 
 

 

One would think that, but, what if Russia didn't do any game planning, combat or otherwise?  It certainly appears that way.

 

 

 

 

[Longhorn_Fan68 33825]

what's probably the most stunning thing about this other than the invasion itself is the growing list of players Putin had to have assumed would side with him and simply aren't. They're not playing ball at all, further isolating him. I don't think there is any way this ends well for him. Good.

Edited February 27, 2022 by Longhorn_Fan68

[Bullneck 18976]

Just now, Francisco 2.0 said:

One would think that, but, what if Russia didn't do any game planning, combat or otherwise?  It certainly appears that way.

Agree.  It's like not even bothering to watch game film because next week you're playing Kansas or something.

[NAVY 6738]

1 minute ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

One would think that, but, what if Russia didn't do any game planning, combat or otherwise?  It certainly appears that way.

 

 

 

 

More likely, the gaming included a tremendously inaccurate assumption(s) 

[pyrohornIII 4801]

12 minutes ago, Hagbard Celine said:

RIP Antonov 225

 

 

 

[RDCanecutter 26239]

12 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

 

 

No Russian stocks for me. Building the lair inside the active volcano ran up WAY more of a bill than I thought it would.

[NAVY 6738]

6 minutes ago, BigOrange1 said:

the next step is to strenuously demand.

And then eventually spool up an open source tube called you-Truth 

[Longhorn_Fan68 33825]

2 minutes ago, pyrohornIII said:

 

 

goddamn the fucking balls of these guys. I hope wannabe alpha men are watching this and realize they ain't shit
 

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Ukrainian state defense company Ukroboronprom, which manages Antonov, on Sunday issued a statement saying the aircraft had been destroyed but would be rebuilt at Russia's expense -- a cost it put at $3 billion.

[Gil Bang 25865]

Chalk one up for the incels.

[Bullneck 18976]

 

 

[TexArcher 37455]

16 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

 

 

And that ought to just about be the end of the Russian stock market for, ya know, ever...

[Nivek 16808]

Welp, he dead.

Highly regarded…… this place has corrupted me.

[Horn Dog 9644]

6 hours ago, Gil Bang said:

WON'T SOMEBODY THINK OF THE WHORES?

 

 

 

I am pleased to announce the next Surly NIL program,  Horns for Whores!  
 

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[Longhorn_Fan68 33825]

4 minutes ago, TexArcher said:

And that ought to just about be the end of the Russian stock market for, ya know, ever...

 

[Gil Bang 25865]

 

[Gil Bang 25865]

 

[Nivek 16808]

You let me know if you ever reach one of them. In all my years of ignoring trolls, I’ve never seen anyone quote a post that made me decide to stop ignoring them. Get Anastasis to admit that there was some shady stuff going on between Trump and the Russians and maybe I’ll reconsider. 

Its not for them, necessarily. Several have pantsed themselves and quit or returned with new names like the snowflakes they are.

But that old saying about about good men doing nothing…..

[henrygandorf 29174]

11 minutes ago, Horn Dog said:

I am pleased to announce the next Surly NIL program,  Horns for Whores!  
 

(sponsored by the Sugar Babies thread)

put me down for tree. 

maybe tree-fiddy. 

[Longhorn_Fan68 33825]

ruh roh

 

[henrygandorf 29174]

 

[HenryJames 65868]

 

[Neonmoon 38127]

3 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

ruh roh

 

If you ain’t out by now, you’re playing with fire 

[Sbbruin 21697]

6 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

put me down for tree. 

maybe tree-fiddy. 

Whatever it takes.

[lemonlime 5503]

31 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

what's probably the most stunning thing about this other than the invasion itself is the growing list of players Putin had to have assumed would side with him and simply aren't. They're not playing ball at all, further isolating him. I don't think there is any way this ends well for him. Good.

Yeah.  Although this is also what scares me.  I don't think there's a way for him to get out of this with face saved, and he has nukes.  I can't think of any off ramp for Putin at this point, unless he's killed.

[Longhorn_Fan68 33825]

2 minutes ago, lemonlime said:

Yeah.  Although this is also what scares me.  I don't think there's a way for him to get out of this with face saved, and he has nukes.  I can't think of any off ramp for Putin at this point, unless he's killed.

of course this is a concern, but  I'll go out on a limb and say that's not going to happen. I mean, I don't know the ins and outs of the Russian chain of command especially wrt nukes, but I don't think he actually pushes the button. That's important. But I also don't think he has the confidence of the military right now and this may give them the out they need to get him out of power. I think Putin fucked himself worse than that horse did Catherine the Great (allegedly)

[Gil Bang 25865]

 

[WhatTheBuck 28700]

3 hours ago, David Dennison said:

Weakness and ineptitude like pulling the U.S. out of the Open Skies Treaty? Shaking down the Ukrainian government for campaign dirt? Removing Ukrainian defense from the Republican Party platform?

That kind of weakness and ineptitude?

Not to mention making guys working for Russian interests your campaign manager and national security advisor. 

[Bullneck 18976]

2 minutes ago, Gil Bang said:

 

Hopefully that means they've already flown and landed in Ukraine

[NAVY 6738]

17 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

 

Lol. Bullshit. Like pootie Poot has two spare hours to gab with the Brazilian knucklehead 

[Longhorn_Fan68 33825]

Just now, NAVY said:

Lol. Bullshit. Like pootie Poot has two spare hours to gab with the Brazilian knucklehead 

Bolsonaro was probably on the phone for 2 hours, but that wasn't Putin he was talking to

[NAVY 6738]

9 minutes ago, Gil Bang said:

 

Flying Tigers rebirth 

[HenryJames 65868]

 

[Horn80 6074]

21 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

ruh roh

 

If Putin lays one hand on Americans, we will sic the Ukrainians on them.

[NAVY 6738]

2 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

 

Fuck. King. Solid 

[RDCanecutter 26239]

I looked up that 100,000 Hryvnias that Zelensky said they'd pay Ukrainian military per month. THat's more than $3,000 US. In Ukraine it seems like that'd make you Big Slav Big Business if you live to spend it.

[Gil Bang 25865]

6 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

Bolsonaro was probably on the phone for 2 hours, but that wasn't Putin he was talking to

He was probably on with Richard and Sal.

[Horn Dog 9644]

21 minutes ago, Gil Bang said:

 

The US and EU should “lease” the Ukraine military a squad of drone fighter jets and include a “lease” of drone pilots and technical support as part of the package.  That lease should be for $1  

Edited February 27, 2022 by Horn Dog

[BehoId, The Underminer! 11667]

16 minutes ago, Gil Bang said:

 

This seems huge.  If Ukraine takes the skies back all those columns are going to disappear in a hurry. 

[NAVY 6738]

Let’s give eet a shot 

 

[Sawbonz 27375]

18 minutes ago, Gil Bang said:

 

[C-Man 26992]

1 hour ago, StassneyHorn said:

Swept Bama in baseball. Nothing to do w/ Ukraine. We’re number 1, fuck everyone else 

8-0, allowed eight total runs to be scored against us. Yeah, we good. We really, really good.

[Willfully Horn 7913]

2 hours ago, henrygandorf said:

i heard he fell on a knife four times.

The ground was pretty springy.

[Sawbonz 27375]

13 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

Bolsonaro was probably on the phone for 2 hours, but that wasn't Putin he was talking to

[RDCanecutter 26239]

13 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

Bolsonaro was probably on the phone for 2 hours, but that wasn't Putin he was talking to

I wonder if Putin and high-up Russians are checking to see if Brazil might be a nice place to hang out, y'know, post-war.

[Fudge Nuggets 19118]

1 hour ago, Satchel said:

I’d like to hear from liberals, who unlike me, agree with the vanden Huevals of the world:

https://aninjusticemag.com/americas-putin-apologists-have-pawned-their-patriotism-by-glamorizing-dystopian-russia-632e034c215e

Unfortunately, there are many on the American radical right who see Putin as a role model. They admire his attacks on liberals and his opportunistic embrace of “family values.” These U.S. extremists want to impose their beliefs on others, undermine democracy, and silence the opposition. They aim to forbid free speech, such as Florida’s “Don’t Say Gay” bill, which creates a gag order on discussing LGBTQ-related content in schools, or bills that forbid honest, historically accurate discussions of race in classrooms.

Predictably, the same traitors behind the January 6 U.S. Capitol Coup, are now cynically backing efforts to bolster Putin’s probable attack against Ukraine. Haaretz columnist David Rothkopf correctly identified Fox News host Tucker Carlson, Sen. Josh Hawley, and former impeached President Donald Trump as some of Putin’s biggest cheerleaders. Rothkopf nailed it when he said they are “Putin’s dream, but America’s worst nightmare.” He declared the seditionists “a repulsive and depraved trio” who are “active partners in Putin’s efforts to gaslight the West on Ukraine and to undermine the United States itself.”

Carlson, for his part, is weakening American resolve on the right for upholding democracies, by asking the foolish question, “Why is it disloyal to side with Russia but loyal to side with Ukraine?” Could one imagine a Republican asking that self-evident question even five years ago? To quote White House press secretary Jen Psaki, why are prominent GOP voices “parroting” Russian talking points?

To a significantly lesser degree, there are also those on the left who seem to romanticize Russia, apparently unable to see it for the totalitarian state it is today. The Nation magazine publisher Katrina vanden Huevel has long had rose-colored glasses on Russia. Her magazine has offered scenic travel tourswhere liberal readers can meet the “The Changing Faces of Russia.” The gaunt, haunted face of Russia that first comes to my mind is Alexander Litvinenko, a Russian dissent who died a miserable death from radiation poisoning in London after Putin’s agents poisoned him with Polonium-210.

Unsurprisingly, vanden Huevel is now serving as Putin’s apologist. She bizarrely wrote of his Ukraine adventurism, that his “goal is the status quo.” The 170,000 troops and the mechanized divisions that are menacing Ukraine’s border certainly don’t look like the status quo to anyone who isn’t towing the Kremlin’s party line. I know vanden Huevel is the publisher of The Nation, but I’m increasingly wondering which nation — the United States or Russia?

We need to be cold, clear-eyed realists about Putin and the perverse Russia that he has created in his revanchist former-KGB agent image. The strongman claims to represent virtues and values, but he commands a filthy rich kleptocracy of soul-selling vultures who are saturated in vice. Russia’s delusional claim of decency is betrayed by its decadence. The declarations of moral superiority belied by its amoral malignancy.

This is a failed country with tainted elections, cowardly invasions of weaker neighbors, the stifling of a free press, and the ruthless crushing of internal dissent. As contributing Washington Post columnist Frida Ghitis wrote, “Russia makes headlines for its kleptocracy, repression and mafia-style tactics…modern-day Russia may still inspire fear, but it generates very little in the way of respect.”

So who do you think has more influence, Tucker Carlson, Dotard, Josh Hawley or (checks notes) Katrina vanden Huevel?

Who the fuck is Katrina vanden Huevel?