Ukraine War

[Gil Bang 25,982]

Yeah, I fail to see how this helps.   If somebody can explain to me why this matters, I'd appreciate it.

These pimply fucks should stick to hacking government/defense shit. 

[Bama Chick 28,596]

lol these olds crack me up

Steve had to take a pee.

Rob and Susan are in the car and Susan needs to learn about angles. No one wants to look up your nose.

Chris needs someone to help him pick a better background.

I’d like to see more of Amy’s furnishings.

Steny needs his aide right beside him.

RICHARD’S iPad in all caps.

Joe (or JM3 lol) apparently lives in the shitty guesthouse of Tony Stewart’s Bass Pro Shop.

Angus has some snow activities on the schedule later.

And there’s entirely too much oak in their homes/offices.

[Chopper 17,241]

I'm so old I remember when Russia was such a vital power that they controlled the US federal government, and also when nobody in power in the USA could give a shit about NATO. Time flies.

 

[F250 28,794]

13 minutes ago, Gil Bang said:

Yeah, I fail to see how this helps.   If somebody can explain to me why this matters, I'd appreciate it.

These pimply fucks should stick to hacking government/defense shit. 

Once you have account and password data for all those emails you start scraping it for other account information within the email accounts. A lot of people are dumb enough to store work account info in their free personal email accounts. Plus people use it for storing passwords.

This information can be used to pivot to exposed work accounts.

It's a treasure trove of information.

 

Edited March 5, 2022 by F250

[Caponata 151]

Love it when multi-millionaires tell the poors who can barely make ends meet they need to sacrifice

[Bama Chick 28,596]

lol eat some dick, Rick

[Chopper 17,241]

4 minutes ago, Caponata said:

Love it when multi-millionaires tell the poors who can barely make ends meet they need to sacrifice

Let them eat Caponata. George Takei 3/5/22

[RomaVicta 29,946]

3 hours ago, Chopper said:

Yeah, when there's significant anti-artillery on the ground trying to establish a NFZ would be a costly mistake for both the personnel and aircraft you put in the air.

Maybe someone has already posted this opinion, but a No-fly Zone is just a way to announce you are assuming absolute air superiority.

For all practical purposes, we establish NFZs over all the countries we fight or invade within hours of hostilities and with no presence on the ground beneath those skies. Iraq had an airforce in both conflicts. They had no impact on the skies.

What one must be able to do is attack anti-aircraft installations and vehicles with impunity. Necessarily, a NFZ means that the air power involved will indeed attack ground forces to eliminate risk to aircraft wherever possible.

When I mused about filling the skies with NATO & US planes, I included telling the Russian ground forces they would be allowed to retreat towards their border and that we would avoid engaging unarmed troop carriers. The ground threat must be eliminated and we have specialized anti-radar weapons and jamming devices for doing so.

I've generally not asserted we should attack from the air. I'm just not sure. We all see the situation and think some immediate action should be taken. We're not privy to intelligence or even the strategic options considered by command.

They know more about the supply problem the Russians are having and also have a better picture of Russian morale. The best move for the moment could be to let the Russians bleed stuck on the muddy roads of Ukraine. Do we have a strategy for disrupting their logistics at a critical moment through cyber attack, covert means, or employment of Ukrainian forces? There could be decisive possibilities we don't know about.

I do like that we don't hear John Wayne cowboy swagger coming from our decision makers and leader (Biden). Our voice is measured and determined. It's that posturing bullshit that leads up to disastrous foreign and war policies.

[WgnBrnr 17]

21 minutes ago, Caponata said:

Love it when multi-millionaires tell the poors who can barely make ends meet they need to sacrifice

Freedom ain't free.. 

[bolverk 29,694]

This is funny as shit. I don't even care if it's not true.

 

[Shaddie 1,651]

47 minutes ago, Gil Bang said:

Yeah, I fail to see how this helps.   If somebody can explain to me why this matters, I'd appreciate it.

 

Paranoia 

[bolverk 29,694]

 

[NWBuck 8,573]

36 minutes ago, Caponata said:

Love it when multi-millionaires tell the poors who can barely make ends meet they need to sacrifice

Dude survived his family being sent to camps in our country following Executive Order 9066.

He can have an opinion.

[bolverk 29,694]

 

[Chopper 17,241]

Putin thought his troops would capture Kyiv in a day, maybe 2, assasinate Zelinsky, maybe take a quick vacation to the Black Sea and then be back home before the end of the week. Instead:

 

[DDD Dad 14,344]

56 minutes ago, Bama Chick said:

 

 

lol these olds crack me up

Steve had to take a pee.

Rob and Susan are in the car and Susan needs to learn about angles. No one wants to look up your nose.

Chris needs someone to help him pick a better background.

I’d like to see more of Amy’s furnishings.

Steny needs his aide right beside him.

RICHARD’S iPad in all caps.

Joe (or JM3 lol) apparently lives in the shitty guesthouse of Tony Stewart’s Bass Pro Shop.

Angus has some snow activities on the schedule later.

And there’s entirely too much oak in their homes/offices.

 

Wish one of them had a cat avatar. 

[Gil Bang 25,982]

47 minutes ago, Chopper said:

Let them eat wocka-molay. George Takei 3/5/22

FIFY

32 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

Maybe someone has already posted this opinion, but a No-fly Zone is just a way to announce you are assuming absolute air superiority.

For all practical purposes, we establish NFZs over all the countries we fight or invade within hours of hostilities and with no presence on the ground beneath those skies. Iraq had an airforce in both conflicts. They had no impact on the skies.

What one must be able to do is attack anti-aircraft installations and vehicles with impunity. Necessarily, a NFZ means that the air power involved will indeed attack ground forces to eliminate risk to aircraft wherever possible.

When I mused about filling the skies with NATO & US planes, I included telling the Russian ground forces they would be allowed to retreat towards their border and that we would avoid engaging unarmed troop carriers. The ground threat must be eliminated and we have specialized anti-radar weapons and jamming devices for doing so.

I've generally not asserted we should attack from the air. I'm just not sure. We all see the situation and think some immediate action should be taken. We're not privy to intelligence or even the strategic options considered by command.

They know more about the supply problem the Russians are having and also have a better picture of Russian morale. The best move for the moment could be to let the Russians bleed stuck on the muddy roads of Ukraine. Do we have a strategy for disrupting their logistics at a critical moment through cyber attack, covert means, or employment of Ukrainian forces? There could be decisive possibilities we don't know about.

I do like that we don't hear John Wayne cowboy swagger coming from our decision makers and leader (Biden). Our voice is measured and determined. It's that posturing bullshit that leads up to disastrous foreign and war policies.

 

 

[Gil Bang 25,982]

16 minutes ago, NWBuck said:

Dude survived his family being sent to camps in our country following Executive Order 9066.

He can have an opinion.

Plus, he's got a bell. 

(ding ding ding) "BRAD...BRING ME SOME TEA"

[HenryJames 66,134]

12 minutes ago, Chopper said:

Putin thought his troops would capture Kyiv in a day, maybe 2, assasinate Zelinsky, maybe take a quick vacation to the Black Sea and then be back home before the end of the week. Instead:

 

[bolverk 29,694]

 

[Gil Bang 25,982]

 

 

[927 E. 41st 1,124]

34 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

Maybe someone has already posted this opinion, but a No-fly Zone is just a way to announce you are assuming absolute air superiority.

For all practical purposes, we establish NFZs over all the countries we fight or invade within hours of hostilities and with no presence on the ground beneath those skies. Iraq had an airforce in both conflicts. They had no impact on the skies.

What one must be able to do is attack anti-aircraft installations and vehicles with impunity. Necessarily, a NFZ means that the air power involved will indeed attack ground forces to eliminate risk to aircraft wherever possible.

When I mused about filling the skies with NATO & US planes, I included telling the Russian ground forces they would be allowed to retreat towards their border and that we would avoid engaging unarmed troop carriers. The ground threat must be eliminated and we have specialized anti-radar weapons and jamming devices for doing so.

I've generally not asserted we should attack from the air. I'm just not sure. We all see the situation and think some immediate action should be taken. We're not privy to intelligence or even the strategic options considered by command.

They know more about the supply problem the Russians are having and also have a better picture of Russian morale. The best move for the moment could be to let the Russians bleed stuck on the muddy roads of Ukraine. Do we have a strategy for disrupting their logistics at a critical moment through cyber attack, covert means, or employment of Ukrainian forces? There could be decisive possibilities we don't know about.

I do like that we don't hear John Wayne cowboy swagger coming from our decision makers and leader (Biden). Our voice is measured and determined. It's that posturing bullshit that leads up to disastrous foreign and war policies.

The best thing you pointed out, and is often missed, was that we are not privy to the intel. Without that we all just guessing. 

One thing we could assume that seems to be missed in this particular conversation is that establishing a true No-Fly would involve some air to air combat with the Russian air force. That could easily spiral out of control, so it's a big risk and big commitment. 

I respectfully disagree with you as to "our voice" in this matter. Sometimes being a bit more unpredictable is advantageous. Timing and context are of course key. But announcing you will not intervene three weeks ago removes you from the equation. Since then our "voice" has been meaningless. 

[Underdog 28,750]

5 hours ago, ChiTownDoc said:

Resists urge to make awful Livin on a Prayer joke…

Don't runaway from it. 

[Bullneck 19,185]

 

[Gil Bang 25,982]

fucking interesting, man

 

 

 

[Sawbonz 27,580]

43 minutes ago, bolverk said:

 

That fucker needs to hang

[Chopper 17,241]

10 minutes ago, 927 E. 41st said:

I respectfully disagree with you as to "our voice" in this matter. Sometimes being a bit more unpredictable is advantageous. Timing and context are of course key. But announcing you will not intervene three weeks ago removes you from the equation. Since then our "voice" has been meaningless. 

While we're seeing horrible civilian casualties those aren't from Russian planes - they're from russian troops on the ground firing artillery and rockets.

We didn't say we'd never intervene.  But we are coalescing international support to destroy the russian economy, which will hit bottom within 2 months due to all the sanctions.

[F250 28,794]

46 minutes ago, bolverk said:

 

He sounds worse in that video than the Tweet implies. He uses the Putin narrative then blames the Ukraine for not rolling over.

 

[927 E. 41st 1,124]

Biden- The United States won’t intervene militarily against Russia if it invades Ukraine.webloc Don't know this site, it's just the first one that popped up. Yes, we told the world we would not intervene. I'm sure that wasn't the only green light in Putin's calculation, but you can bet he was happy to have it.

 

[Gil Bang 25,982]

2 minutes ago, F250 said:

He sounds worse in that video than the Tweet implies. He uses the Putin narrative then blames the Ukraine for not rolling over.

 

He's the asshole that said Ukraine was irresponsible for defending themselves, that they should have surrendered immediately. 

[Underdog 28,750]

I take it Jeffrey Toobin wasn't invited to that Zoom call. 

[wildcat09 29,357]

Being unpredictable when nukes are in play is extraordinarily fucking stupid and dangerous.

[Gil Bang 25,982]

Just now, Underdog said:

I take it Jeffrey Toobin wasn't invited to that Zoom call. 

There were plenty of jerkoffs already on the call. 

[Chopper 17,241]

10 minutes ago, F250 said:

He sounds worse in that video than the Tweet implies. He uses the Putin narrative then blames the Ukraine for not rolling over.

 

He and Flynn should soon be in Russia with Snowden. Either that or in a supermax.

[Chopper 17,241]

Some prime Lake Como property may be coming available.

 

[Chopper 17,241]

15 minutes ago, 927 E. 41st said:

Biden- The United States won’t intervene militarily against Russia if it invades Ukraine.webloc Don't know this site, it's just the first one that popped up. Yes, we told the world we would not intervene. I'm sure that wasn't the only green light in Putin's calculation, but you can bet he was happy to have it.

 

Remind me what both the previous president and his vice president had to say about Putin. And tell me where you think we'd be if they were still "in charge"?

[Chopper 17,241]

 

[927 E. 41st 1,124]

2 minutes ago, Chopper said:

Remind me what both the previous president and his vice president had to say about Putin. And tell me where you think we'd be if they were still "in charge"?

How does that relate to you being uninformed. You said...

 

29 minutes ago, Chopper said:

We didn't say we'd never intervene.

You were incorrect, and are now trying to deflect. There are mistakes going back generations, those mistakes don't make current ones any less egregious.

 

[Chopper 17,241]

6 minutes ago, 927 E. 41st said:

How does that relate to you being uninformed. You said...

 

You were incorrect, and are now trying to deflect. There are mistakes going back generations, those mistakes don't make current ones any less egregious.

 

You're overlooking the word NEVER. Pay attention.

edit: and define the word INTERVENE. Because arguably you're wrong in more ways than 1 in just a single sentence.

Edited March 5, 2022 by Chopper

[Chopper 17,241]

Congrats to Putin, the worst day ever for a nation's air force in 40 years is quite an accomplishment.

[Bullneck 19,185]

 

 

[Chopper 17,241]

2 hours ago, Bullneck said:

 

 

Final episode:
(Spoilered per request due to brutality)

Spoiler

 

Edited March 6, 2022 by Chopper

[Bullneck 19,185]

1 hour ago, bolverk said:

 

Zelenskyy is a puppet?  Of whom?  Can't be Putin.  BoJo?  Macron?  Trudeau?  Biden?  

[Bullneck 19,185]

4 minutes ago, Chopper said:

Final episode:

 

These guys look more like bus drivers from the Moscow Independent School District than Top Gun pilots.

[DDD Dad 14,344]

 

[Bullneck 19,185]

 

 

[Bullneck 19,185]

1 minute ago, DDD Dad said:

 

Everything that guy just said is bullshit.

[Bullneck 19,185]

56 minutes ago, Chopper said:

He and Flynn should soon be in Russia with Snowden. Either that or in Gitmo

 

[Bullneck 19,185]

1 hour ago, Gil Bang said:

fucking interesting, man

 

 

 

I'm starting to think that if they can last a month or two Zelenskyy will outlast Putin.

[Chopper 17,241]

I was looking for this quote by Putin this morning and just happened across it. Putin, asked in 2007 whether Ukraine would ever be a part of Russia: “Of course not. We don’t want it.…It's quite useless to try to force upon anyone new state structures without the will of the relevant people.”

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