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9 minutes ago, F250 said:

How many innies does Gemma have and why are they all in a constant state of torture?

 

My guess is they want to market severance as a way to avoid any pain or trauma for the general population. 
 

Fear of flying, fear of the dentist etc. Flip a switch and the processing/procedure is over and you have no memory of the experience. 

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9 minutes ago, ChickenSandwich said:

My guess is they want to market severance as a way to avoid any pain or trauma for the general population. 
 

Fear of flying, fear of the dentist etc. Flip a switch and the processing/procedure is over and you have no memory of the experience. 

Mark also mentioned something about how she hated to write thank-you notes, before they showed her in the room where she had to write thank-you notes until she could barely write.

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1 minute ago, austingirl said:

Mark also mentioned something about how she hated to write thank-you notes, before they showed her in the room where she had to write thank-you notes until she could barely write.

With her left hand! (Outtie is a righty)

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11 minutes ago, Red Five said:

Why is the doctor sometimes wearing disguises? It’s not like she would recognize him.

The same reason she's made up to suit the different time periods.  Probably just a stylistic decision the producers made.

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2 hours ago, Red Five said:

That was a very well made episode that was also a huge gut punch.

So, what did Mark see that he took as Gemma’s dead body?

I assumed she actually did die, there was a body, but Lumon got the body later and brought her back to life. Not sure if Lumon caused the car crash or not, but I am leaning towards yes.

1 hour ago, F250 said:

How many innies does Gemma have and why are they all in a constant state of torture?

 

I thought it was all one innie Gemma doing all of that. At the beginning of the episode when she asked the nurse how many rooms she had to go into, she sighed when she heard six.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like all the rooms were about making Zombie Gemma "human" again. The Gemma we saw last night was much more responsive and with it than Ms. Casey was last season. She's finally showing emotions, making decisions, problem solving by trying to escape, etc.

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Outie Gemma is living below, that's who we saw all episode.   When she goes to the severed floor (where she runs into Milcheck), that is innie Gemma/Mrs Hayes.

Also, when she goes in the various rooms, she is innie Gemma/Mrs Hayes

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Outie Gemma is living below, that's who we saw all episode.   When she goes to the severed floor (where she runs into Milcheck), that is innie Gemma/Mrs Hayes.
Also, when she goes in the various rooms, she is innie Gemma/Mrs Hayes

Right. When she ran into Mr. Milkshake, that was the first time “Ms. Casey” had been activated in awhile. Which was why she was so confused/disoriented.
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13 hours ago, Ted Lange said:

Now we are digging into what’s really going on.   All those rooms are names that Mark has been data mining.  We still don’t know how exactly Gemma got to the lower floor.   When the cops showed up at marks after Gemma’s “crash”I was expecting one to be Burt   Might still be. 

Same on expecting Burt. I was waiting for those faces to come into focus and have an "Oh shit!" reaction.

I got from this episode the larger picture of Lumon controlling the entirety of their medical visits prior to the crash as a prelude to them just taking her.

Maybe even during the blood draw they did something to her/them.

I'm sure it's not, but I can almost anticipate that she "opted in" on a Lumon medical form to additional experimentation.

The "Chikhai Bardo" cards from Lumon being sent to her as another pre-test or something. 

The car crash site was faked, I'm sure, and then they just whisked her off.

They told Mark she burned up maybe, because he has her "remains."

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Fantastically directed episode. And yes, dark and devastating.

This season's episodes have been so unique and unexpected in the events that are portrayed, and how they are shot and presented, yet the story is moving along consistently. (admittedly, it does leave the audience with many new questions). 

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Had a thought that maybe Gemma volunteered to be part of some experiment with Mark because Lumen promised her it would result in a child with him, for which she is desperate.  They focused on her miscarriage and a visit to the fertility center in the back story last night; and near the end of the flashbacks, the marriage had seemed to grow a bit cold.  Additionally, I seem to recall that when Mark was having sex with Helly in the tent, her face flashed between Helly and Gemma.  Was he in actuality having sex with Gemma?

Show is a complete mind-fuck, in a good way.

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55 minutes ago, HornOnTheBayou said:

I thought it was all one innie Gemma doing all of that. At the beginning of the episode when she asked the nurse how many rooms she had to go into, she sighed when she heard six.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like all the rooms were about making Zombie Gemma "human" again. The Gemma we saw last night was much more responsive and with it than Ms. Casey was last season. She's finally showing emotions, making decisions, problem solving by trying to escape, etc.

The responsive Gemma was her outie, in the hallway and in her apartment/room that was her outie being held captive. In those named rooms those were different innies. They were only aware of being in a specific room all the time and repeating the same tasks. They were not aware of the existence of the other rooms or other innies.

This was the first episode we were exposed to outie Gemma. Ms. Casey is just another Gemma innie and there are at least 7 Gemma innies.

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1 hour ago, HornOnTheBayou said:

The Gemma we saw last night was much more responsive and with it than Ms. Casey was last season. She's finally showing emotions, making decisions, problem solving by trying to escape, etc.

The Gemma who tried to escape was outie Gemma, which is why she was a lot more with it than Ms. Casey. When she went down the elevator, she reverted to Ms. Casey, and her personality reverted back to the Ms. Casey we know. 

3 minutes ago, F250 said:

The responsive Gemma was her outie, in the hallway and in her apartment/room that was her outie being held captive. In those named rooms those were different innies. They were only aware of being in a specific room all the time and repeating the same tasks. They were not aware of the existence of the other rooms or other innies.

This was the first episode we were exposed to outie Gemma. Ms. Casey is just another Gemma innie and there are at least 7 Gemma innies.

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14 minutes ago, Minute Bull said:

Additionally, I seem to recall that when Mark was having sex with Helly in the tent, her face flashed between Helly and Gemma.  Was he in actuality having sex with Gemma?

Post-sex happy faced Helena seems to indicate that he did actually do it with Helena.

I believe the Gemma flashback was due to Mark's reintegration process.

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1 hour ago, Minute Bull said:

Had a thought that maybe Gemma volunteered to be part of some experiment with Mark because Lumen promised her it would result in a child with him, for which she is desperate.  They focused on her miscarriage and a visit to the fertility center in the back story last night; and near the end of the flashbacks, the marriage had seemed to grow a bit cold.  Additionally, I seem to recall that when Mark was having sex with Helly in the tent, her face flashed between Helly and Gemma.  Was he in actuality having sex with Gemma?

Show is a complete mind-fuck, in a good way.

Makes sense. 
 

Wild theory - I wonder if they are trying to kill Outtie Gemma and replace her with her innie. 
 

*Forgot about the Severance Birth resort earlier. Gemma seems like the expansion pack. 

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23 minutes ago, gsoda3 said:

 

Mark used actual US Dollars to pay for his meal last episode. If the South won they would've continued to use Confederate Dollars.

I dont think anyone is trying to say the "south won,"  but it could have been an event that effected Kier in some way.

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2 hours ago, Ted Lange said:

I dont think anyone is trying to say the "south won,"  but it could have been an event that effected Kier in some way.

Ah ok. I thought he was saying the theory was in show lore the south had won the civil war. 

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Another thing I realized today - Dr. Mauer is played by Robby Benson, who was the voice of the beast in the Disney Beauty and the Beast, who also kidnapped a woman from her family and kept her in captivity only to fall in love with her.

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2 minutes ago, austingirl said:

Another thing I realized today - Dr. Mauer is played by Robby Benson, who was the voice of the beast in the Disney Beauty and the Beast, who also kidnapped a woman from her family and kept her in captivity only to fall in love with her.

 

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9 hours ago, Minute Bull said:

Had a thought that maybe Gemma volunteered to be part of some experiment with Mark because Lumen promised her it would result in a child with him, for which she is desperate.  They focused on her miscarriage and a visit to the fertility center in the back story last night; and near the end of the flashbacks, the marriage had seemed to grow a bit cold.  Additionally, I seem to recall that when Mark was having sex with Helly in the tent, her face flashed between Helly and Gemma.  Was he in actuality having sex with Gemma?

Show is a complete mind-fuck, in a good way.

saw this on a YouTube recap show, and then on Reddit.  Dr. Mauer "worked" at the fertility clinic.  and the form at the clinic that Gemma signed had the Lumon logo.

seems pretty clear that Gemma didn't die in a car wreck.  that was just a cover story. @Minute Bull seems right.  Lumon found Gemma to be a perfect candidate for their experiments, so they lied about fertility options to get her to go there, and once she got there, they weren't going to let her leave, so Lumon concocted a story that she died to tell Mark. fuck.  that episode flew by. 

 

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Lumon found Gemma to be a perfect candidate for their experiments, so they lied about fertility options to get her to go there, and once she got there, they weren't going to let her leave, so Lumon concocted a story that she died to tell Mark. fuck.  that episode flew by. 

He said in an earlier episode though that he identified the body.  Not that they can't reconcile that, it's not like he took her pulse, but they still need to explain it.  At any rate, it's looking more and more that the explanation isn't some kind of "reanimation of a corpse" scheme that has been floated.  I won't be satisfied with that.  

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1 hour ago, TexasHooch said:

He said in an earlier episode though that he identified the body.  Not that they can't reconcile that, it's not like he took her pulse, but they still need to explain it.  At any rate, it's looking more and more that the explanation isn't some kind of "reanimation of a corpse" scheme that has been floated.  I won't be satisfied with that.  

* identified the burned body. 

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The responsive Gemma was her outie, in the hallway and in her apartment/room that was her outie being held captive. In those named rooms those were different innies. They were only aware of being in a specific room all the time and repeating the same tasks. They were not aware of the existence of the other rooms or other innies.
This was the first episode we were exposed to outie Gemma. Ms. Casey is just another Gemma innie and there are at least 7 Gemma innies.

Were they calling her different names in each room? I missed that. I may have to rewatch.
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14 hours ago, TexasHooch said:

He said in an earlier episode though that he identified the body.  Not that they can't reconcile that, it's not like he took her pulse, but they still need to explain it.  At any rate, it's looking more and more that the explanation isn't some kind of "reanimation of a corpse" scheme that has been floated.  I won't be satisfied with that.  

Yeah, I fully expect a more thorough explanation about how Gemma made her way to Lumon, what they told Mark, and how they faked the identification of Gemma’s charred remains.

Definitely feels like Cobelvig may be a part of that whole ordeal, especially given how she was the Lumon employee tasked with keeping eyes on Mark. She definitely needs to return. Devon is ultimately gonna contact her, I’m thinking. 

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2 hours ago, Chad Fuck said:


Were they calling her different names in each room? I missed that. I may have to rewatch.

I don't recall them using any names at all when she was in the different rooms.

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1 hour ago, bolverk said:

I don't recall them using any names at all when she was in the different rooms.

Me neither.  I"m trying to figure out where this "7 innies" theory came from.  

 

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10 minutes ago, Chad Fuck said:

Me neither.  I"m trying to figure out where this "7 innies" theory came from.  

 

I think it's more speculation than a full-blown theory at this point.

  1. I think it's pretty well established that she's OG Gemma when she's in her apartment/quarters and out in the hallways.
  2. And, of course, Ms. Casey is conjured when she's on the Severance floor. 
  3. But who is she when she's in one of those six rooms? Certainly not Gemma or Ms. Casey. Is she the same tortured innie when she's in each of them? Or, conversely, did all those tests she took reveal something special to Lumon about her that would allow them to dice up her soul in such a way that she could have multiple innies who only briefly exist for whatever time they have to suffer while in those rooms? Maybe they haven't even bothered to label each of them since she's not really interacting with anyone new because it's always that same creep cosplaying different roles with her.

It's a damn mystery, I tell ya.

 

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23 minutes ago, bolverk said:

I think it's more speculation than a full-blown theory at this point.

  1. I think it's pretty well established that she's OG Gemma when she's in her apartment/quarters and out in the hallways.
  2. And, of course, Ms. Casey is conjured when she's on the Severance floor. 
  3. But who is she when she's in one of those six rooms? Certainly not Gemma or Ms. Casey. Is she the same tortured innie when she's in each of them? Or, conversely, did all those tests she took reveal something special to Lumon about her that would allow them to dice up her soul in such a way that she could have multiple innies who only briefly exist for whatever time they have to suffer while in those rooms? Maybe they haven't even bothered to label each of them since she's not really interacting with anyone new because it's always that same creep cosplaying different roles with her.

It's a damn mystery, I tell ya.

 

OK, I was under the impression that it was just Ms. Casey in each of those rooms.  In essence, Ms. Casey is just getting tortured.  Which makes her statement to Mark that her time with him in MDR was the best in her life. 

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I think it was clear that each of those rooms was a different persona. To one of them it was always Christmas. Another they were always at the dentist, etc.

Each of those innies did not know about the existence or experience of the others. Nor Ms. Casey and vice-versa.

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2 minutes ago, Chad Fuck said:

OK, I was under the impression that it was just Ms. Casey in each of those rooms.  In essence, Ms. Casey is just getting tortured.  Which makes her statement to Mark that her time with him in MDR was the best in her life. 

Okay. That's a different interpretation I hadn't considered. It'd explain her compliance, but didn't Ms. Casey tell Mark S. in one of their sessions last season that she'd only been "alive" for some ridiculously low number of minutes? Of course, the whole passage of time stuff is really fuzzy in that building.

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1 minute ago, LonghornSean said:

I think it was clear that each of those rooms was a different persona. To one of them it was always Christmas. Another they were always at the dentist, etc.

Each of those innies did not know about the existence or experience of the others. Nor Ms. Casey and vice-versa.

That was my underlying assumption while watching the last episode, but until we learn more, it's not a hill I'm willing to die on.

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58 minutes ago, TexasHooch said:

[No WAY is that the Same Actor/Actress]

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And, for the olds...

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Fuck Ice Castles in the goats ass.  I still have PTSD from having to play that theme nonstop during homecoming halftime '81-'84.

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5 hours ago, Jiggy-Z said:

Fuck Ice Castles in the goats ass.  I still have PTSD from having to play that theme nonstop during homecoming halftime '81-'84.

 

5 hours ago, Red Five said:

I can't believe I didn't realize that was Robby Benson. 

Him winning the 10,000 in 1964 Tokyo gives him a pass

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Maybe it’s a red herring but I find Devon’s behavior suspicious. She’s outwardly opposed to severance and lumon but she wanted to kick out the only person trying to help mark end severance. And I don’t believe that mark ever told Devon about Petey showing up reintegrated. Why didn’t he trust her with that? And while not said, who hosted the charades party that Gemma went alone? Devon and Rickon seem to be the best guess.

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23 minutes ago, Helobious said:

Not sure if there’s a deeper meaning to the fact that it was a charades party or if it was just a subtle wink

That is a fantastic catch, wow nice. Yeah I'm starting to raise my eyebrow at Devon and Ricken being unwitting pawns of Lumon, ala Ms Selvig fuckery

 

Also listening to the production podcast they confirmed that Gemma is getting severed into different innies. So it's not Miss Casey with the dentist or writing Christmas thank you, but a different innie for each room

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i did not mind the foundational look back at the Mark-Gemma story portion of the episode but man, I do not enjoy watching people get endlessly terrorized.

you have succeeded in making me hate lumon, stiller. let's have some plot now.

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