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In this post and the next, I'm going to post, in full, two article from the NYTimes about the laptop situation. The first one, which was published the past Wednesday, seems to be the one that has set off this new clamor about Hunter Biden's laptop. The second article was initially published in October 2020 and updated this past fall.

I'm not going to do any editorializing here, because I'd like everyone to make their own judgments regarding what, if any, evidence is publicly known about alleged crimes by Hunter or Joe. Hopefully, everyone will read and digest them before carrying on with an honest discussion about the laptop and allegations of malfeasance by Hunter or his dad.

Spoilering both for length.

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Let me get this right: Donald Trump was involved in a criminal conspiracy to defame Joe Biden. So when the Trump criminal organization acquired a laptop that allegedly has evidence to advance the same conspiracy less than one month before an election, every media outlet in the world should stop everything and presort on said “findings” from a criminal conspiracy?

Sure, Jan.

 

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  On 3/20/2022 at 6:55 PM, jimmyjazz said:

Does anybody truly believe that President Obama allowed his Vice President to craft foreign policy that favored said VP's son?

Really?

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These Neanderthals think an election was stolen despite zero evidence, an impossibility and somehow only one race was “stolen” and not the hundreds of R wins. They’re mouthbreathing idiots who deserve no benefit of any doubt. 

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  On 3/20/2022 at 7:15 PM, The Ace of Aces said:

These Neanderthals think an election was stolen despite zero evidence, an impossibility and somehow only one race was “stolen” and not the hundreds of R wins. They’re mouthbreathing idiots who deserve no benefit of any doubt. 

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Maybe all the other races would've been won by libtards but they cleverly sacrified those spots to the R candidates so they could pull the same trickery undetected to make Sleepy Joe Brandon our robotic holographic king.

You have to think like a Demon-crat if you hope to beat a Demon-crat.

Better luck next time, Sheeple.

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  On 3/20/2022 at 7:15 AM, Passive Aggressive Coach said:

How horrible is this for any democracy? Trump was right. Story was deleted from all media right before the election. I know the CR here will defend it but this is one of the worst things ever in an election. Laptop was all real but all stories got scrubbed and even the NY post got banned from social media,  CBS needs to apologize to Trump. Trump was right all the time. I wont even post his speeches to the UN and NATO. He was right on it all in his rough way (different subject).

CR defend what happened...

 

 

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When are you planning on posting the link that explains:

1.  What was on the laptop,

2. What illegal documents (phrase that anyway you'd like) were on the laptop,

3. What office Hunter held at the time he committed whatever you think was illegal

4. What should be done?  Someone call the Justice Department (they might be a tad busy at the moment)?  Or the DC police? Or Scotland Yard? Or Interpol?

In other words, why is this a story?  Or more of a story than Moscow Mitch and his wife?  Or more of a story about Republican Senators in Moscow on the 4th of July? Or certain Republicans voting not to sanction Russia and their trade status?

Who gives a shit?

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This seems relevant to this topic, at least until Hunter’s laptop is used to as evidence in crimes committed by his father:

In fiction, a MacGuffin (sometimes McGuffin) is an object, device, or event that is necessary to the plot and the motivation of the characters, but insignificant, unimportant, or irrelevant in itself.

 

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  On 3/20/2022 at 8:45 PM, bolverk said:

(1) False. See the article from October 22, 2020, right before the election. https://newsletters.theatlantic.com/the-third-rail/6234aa276c90860020516e75/republican-conspiracy-russia-ukraine/

(2) Worse than Nixon sabotaging peace talks with North Vietnam before the 1968 election? Worse than Watergate? Worse than Manafort handing over internal polling information to a Russian operative? Worse than Roger Stone working with Wikileaks to leaked DNC emails stolen by the Russians?

(3) Again, false. See (1).

(4) Did they though? 

(5) False. You made this thread late at night when few were awake and didn't even respond the few posters who replied last night. 

(6) Not by China, he didn't. Even the Wall Street Journal and Fox News disagree:

Bobulinski said that, in 2017, Hunter Biden consulted with his father about forming a new venture with CEFC China Energy Co. to invest in real estate and technology in the U.S. Bobulinski was brought into the venture by James Gilliar, an English businessman who purportedly knew the Bidens through Rob Walker, a former Clinton administration official. 

Bobulinski became a partner and CEO of the venture, which was named SinoHawk Holdings LLC. The company was incorporated in Delaware in May 2017.

The Wall Street Journal reported that the deal fell through; SinoHawk never received money from or completed deals with the Chinese oil company. According to the newspaper, Hunter, Joe Biden’s brother James, Gilliar and Walker were also involved — but there was no role for Joe Biden.

Bobulinski claimed otherwise.

"Everything I’m saying is corroborated by emails, WhatsApp chats, agreements, documents and other evidence," he told reporters gathered Oct. 22, before gesturing to three phones that he claimed contained incriminating evidence and said he would hand over to authorities.

Bobulinski provided some of his records to outlets like Fox News and the Wall Street Journal. Both reported that they do not show Joe Biden had business dealings with SinoHawk Holdings or took money from the Chinese company.

https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/oct/29/tony-bobulinski-hunter-biden-and-china-explainer/

(7) And, just to be clear, that twitter account is reposting shit about Ukraine from a pro-Kremlin news channel (see below), is posting anti-vaxx shit, and c) is posting shit about buying and selling gemstones.

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In sum, you're spreading disinformation. I'll be generous here and assume you believe everything you posted last night and are just an easily duped victim or stooge (aka useful idiot). Believing otherwise would mean you're a liar, hell-bent on malicious intent. Which is it? Care to debate?

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He’s a fucking paid troll who spreads disinformation all over the net. We’ve got a few here because while it’s not Twitter or Facebook this site is actually just influential enough politically to matter. 

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  On 3/20/2022 at 9:01 PM, JimmyJames said:

He’s a fucking paid troll who spreads disinformation all over the net. We’ve got a few here because while it’s not Twitter or Facebook this site is actually just influential enough politically to matter. 

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This.

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  On 3/20/2022 at 8:45 PM, bolverk said:

(1) False. See the article from October 22, 2020, right before the election. https://newsletters.theatlantic.com/the-third-rail/6234aa276c90860020516e75/republican-conspiracy-russia-ukraine/

(2) Worse than Nixon sabotaging peace talks with North Vietnam before the 1968 election? Worse than Watergate? Worse than Manafort handing over internal polling information to a Russian operative? Worse than Roger Stone working with Wikileaks to leaked DNC emails stolen by the Russians?

(3) Again, false. See (1).

(4) Did they though? 

(5) False. You made this thread late at night when few were awake and didn't even respond the few posters who replied last night. 

(6) Not by China, he didn't. Even the Wall Street Journal and Fox News disagree:

Bobulinski said that, in 2017, Hunter Biden consulted with his father about forming a new venture with CEFC China Energy Co. to invest in real estate and technology in the U.S. Bobulinski was brought into the venture by James Gilliar, an English businessman who purportedly knew the Bidens through Rob Walker, a former Clinton administration official. 

Bobulinski became a partner and CEO of the venture, which was named SinoHawk Holdings LLC. The company was incorporated in Delaware in May 2017.

The Wall Street Journal reported that the deal fell through; SinoHawk never received money from or completed deals with the Chinese oil company. According to the newspaper, Hunter, Joe Biden’s brother James, Gilliar and Walker were also involved — but there was no role for Joe Biden.

Bobulinski claimed otherwise.

"Everything I’m saying is corroborated by emails, WhatsApp chats, agreements, documents and other evidence," he told reporters gathered Oct. 22, before gesturing to three phones that he claimed contained incriminating evidence and said he would hand over to authorities.

Bobulinski provided some of his records to outlets like Fox News and the Wall Street Journal. Both reported that they do not show Joe Biden had business dealings with SinoHawk Holdings or took money from the Chinese company.

https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/oct/29/tony-bobulinski-hunter-biden-and-china-explainer/

(7) And, just to be clear, that twitter account is reposting shit about Ukraine from a pro-Kremlin news channel (see below), is posting anti-vaxx shit, and c) is posting shit about buying and selling gemstones.

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In sum, you're spreading disinformation. I'll be generous here and assume you believe everything you posted last night and are just an easily duped victim or stooge (aka useful idiot). Believing otherwise would mean you're a liar, hell-bent on malicious intent. Which is it? Care to debate?

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And this.

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  On 3/20/2022 at 7:12 PM, Bateshorn said:

I used to hang out at the same strip club as Hunter Biden. That’s all I got. AMA.

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The thing I always really loved about strip clubs was the smell. 

Not sure if laptops were allowed in those joints though. 

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Probably also worth noting that one of the news entities that initially passed on the laptop story was  . . .  wait for it  . . . Fox News.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/fox-news-passed-on-chance-to-break-hunter-biden-laptop-story-over-credibility-concerns-report

Regardless, legitimate news outlets treated the allegations with skepticism and NYP lacked the proof to counter the skepticism.

Shit even now we're dealing with "sources confirm," not a public statement from the FBI or some more reputable organization.

This is like claiming the orange shitgibbon is vindicated for all his election fraud wishcasting if and when someone actually finds a little bit of pro-Biden vote fraud.

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correct me if I'm wrong or not reading closely enough, but also.... "sources confirm" generally that Hunter B didn't pay taxes appropriately and has been under investigation for that on money he made trading off his dad's name? That would be a election cycle story of note in a different fucking timeline than this one, where "candidate is not involved in loose cannon family member's shenanigans" hearkens back to a simpler time.

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Is “deplatforming” the new right wing dog whistle for “I posted unsubstantiated bullshittery and a website deleted it therefore I’ve been deprived of muh rights!”?

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  On 3/20/2022 at 6:55 PM, jimmyjazz said:

Does anybody truly believe that President Obama allowed his Vice President to craft foreign policy that favored said VP's son?

Really?

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This roided up knuckle dragging, mouth breathing twat does… 

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  On 3/20/2022 at 9:35 PM, Celery Man said:

correct me if I'm wrong or not reading closely enough, but also.... "sources confirm" generally that Hunter B didn't pay taxes appropriately and has been under investigation for that on money he made trading off his dad's name? That would be a election cycle story of note in a different fucking timeline than this one, where "candidate is not involved in loose cannon family member's shenanigans" hearkens back to a simpler time.

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I think we need a whole new set of laws to govern this stuff. Either that or a DoJ willing to enforce those already on the books, because this is only going to get worse. 

Somebody way up thread said Joe got no material benefit from Hunter's seat on Burisma's board. Come on -- they saw to it that even with his truly impressive partying, he wouldn't have to be calling dad from Vegas at 5 AM for bail money and a lawyer or asking for "loan" for the foreseeable future. In some not inconsiderable way that makes Joe beholden to Burisma. It's more subtle than a straight pay-off but not much.

Influence peddling -- it's real, y'all.

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I have an idea for an app that would tell you when a Trumpkin or a Russian is lying. I need a good coder to help me put all the subtle nuances into a script.

Basically, I want this: You hear or see a Russian or a Trumpkin say something, so you hold up your phone, tap the "Are They Lying?" app, and right there, on the spot, the app tells you "Yes."

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  On 3/20/2022 at 9:57 PM, MaybeACoordinator said:

I think we need a whole new set of laws to govern this stuff. Either that or a DoJ willing to enforce those already on the books, because this is only going to get worse. 

Somebody way up thread said Joe got no material benefit from Hunter's seat on Burisma's board. Come on -- they saw to it that even with his truly impressive partying, he wouldn't have to be calling dad from Vegas at 5 AM for bail money and a lawyer or asking for "loan" for the foreseeable future. In some not inconsiderable way that makes Joe beholden to Burisma. It's more subtle than a straight pay-off but not much.

Influence peddling -- it's real, y'all.

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Based on all the publicly available evidence, I fail to see how Joe or Burisma benefitted from this at all. But, yeah, it certainly looks like Hunter and his partners were trying to get business based off their connection to his daddy. At the end of the day though, the Obama/Biden administration, the EU, the World Bank, and the IMF, all pressured Ukraine to fire a prosecutor for being too lenient on corrupt fuckery, including Burisma which ended up being fined several million dollars. So, Joe must've not been all that beholden to Burisma.

I definitely agree that influence peddling does happen and this way may have been an attempt at it by Burisma through Hunter, but it certainly backfired on them. And, yes, it sure would be nice if a law could be written that the family and friends of powerful people wouldn't be allowed to profit off their last names and connections. As the old adage goes, "it's not what you know; it's who you know." I'm sure there are more posters on this site than just Johnny Sack who've benefitted from their family connections.

 

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i guess it’s good that some of our fellow cr knifefight gang of toughs actually responded to the op’s multiple posts, but facts were never the issue. the issue(s):

1. the redhats think the “msm” (collectively) did something shady, which in their minds represents incontrovertible proof that everything they’ve ever said (collectively) is most likely false. checkmate and such. 

2. they’re also big mad that their october surprise (part 2) just couldn’t get them over the hump. we all know that’s trump’s one-point plan for winning an election. i only point that out in case anyone forgot why he got impeached. the first time. 

it’s incredible the amount of stars they think had to align to prevent the worst president in history from getting re-elected. 

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  On 3/20/2022 at 10:39 PM, henrygandorf said:

i guess it’s good that some of our fellow cr knifefight gang of toughs actually responded to the op’s multiple posts, but facts were never the issue. the issue(s):

1. the redhats think the “msm” (collectively) did something shady, which in their minds represents incontrovertible proof that everything they’ve ever said (collectively) is most likely false. checkmate and such. 

2. they’re also big mad that their october surprise (part 2) just couldn’t get them over the hump. we all know that’s trump’s one-point plan for winning an election. i only point that out in case anyone forgot why he got impeached. the first time. 

it’s incredible the amount of stars they think had to align to prevent the worst president in history from getting re-elected. 

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It's always fun to remind them that the MSM includes Fox News. 

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  On 3/20/2022 at 9:01 PM, JimmyJames said:

He’s a fucking paid troll who spreads disinformation all over the net. We’ve got a few here because while it’s not Twitter or Facebook this site is actually just influential enough politically to matter. 

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i mean it is THE LARGEST POLITICAL FORUM IN THE STATE OF TEXAS! 😎

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  On 3/20/2022 at 10:37 PM, bolverk said:

Based on all the publicly available evidence, I fail to see how Joe or Burisma benefitted from this at all. But, yeah, it certainly looks like Hunter and his partners were trying to get business based off their connection to his daddy. At the end of the day though, the Obama/Biden administration, the EU, the World Bank, and the IMF, all pressured Ukraine to fire a prosecutor for being too lenient on corrupt fuckery, including Burisma which ended up being fined several million dollars. So, Joe must've not been all that beholden to Burisma.

I definitely agree that influence peddling does happen and this way may have been an attempt at it by Burisma through Hunter, but it certainly backfired on them. And, yes, it sure would be nice if a law could be written that the family and friends of powerful people wouldn't be allowed to profit off their last names and connections. As the old adage goes, "it's not what you know; it's who you know." I'm sure there are more posters on this site than just Johnny Sack who've benefitted from their family connections.

 

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Hunter Biden didn’t even work for Burisma when the malfeasance occurred. Its a fucking joke

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  On 3/20/2022 at 10:39 PM, henrygandorf said:

i guess it’s good that some of our fellow cr knifefight gang of toughs actually responded to the op’s multiple posts, but facts were never the issue. the issue(s):

1. the redhats think the “msm” (collectively) did something shady, which in their minds represents incontrovertible proof that everything they’ve ever said (collectively) is most likely false. checkmate and such. 

2. they’re also big mad that their october surprise (part 2) just couldn’t get them over the hump. we all know that’s trump’s one-point plan for winning an election. i only point that out in case anyone forgot why he got impeached. the first time. 

it’s incredible the amount of stars they think had to align to prevent the worst president in history from getting re-elected. 

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I think it is important to challenge the lies spread by liars on here.   Bolverk did a nice job providing evidence and the OP is a shitposter who ran away in typical form.   Just like Johnny Sack does everytime I challenge him.  He runs and hides.   

We should not let the right-wing morons and russian trolls spread lies.  

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  On 3/20/2022 at 3:48 PM, mdmost said:

The laptop, his giant dong, the Right's obsession with both...

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Let the Right legislate your bedroom, and they'll legislate your pants next.  Just ask women how small government is legislating their wombs.  

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  On 3/20/2022 at 11:57 PM, Nivek said:

I think it is important to challenge the lies spread by liars on here.   Bolverk did a nice job providing evidence and the OP is a shitposter who ran away in typical form.   Just like Johnny Sack does everytime I challenge him.  He runs and hides.   

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ok, sure.

except that anyone who believes any of the shit these same 3 guys post will not care how truthful and obvious the rebuttals are.

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  On 3/20/2022 at 7:37 AM, Passive Aggressive Coach said:
I want a debate here.




  On 3/20/2022 at 11:57 PM, Nivek said:
I think it is important to challenge the lies spread by liars on here.   Bolverk did a nice job providing evidence and the OP is a shitposter who ran away in typical form.   Just like Johnny Sack does everytime I challenge him.  He runs and hides.   
We should not let the right-wing morons and russian trolls spread lies.  
CR EcHo chAmbEr.
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  On 3/20/2022 at 9:57 PM, MaybeACoordinator said:

I think we need a whole new set of laws to govern this stuff. Either that or a DoJ willing to enforce those already on the books, because this is only going to get worse. 

Somebody way up thread said Joe got no material benefit from Hunter's seat on Burisma's board. Come on -- they saw to it that even with his truly impressive partying, he wouldn't have to be calling dad from Vegas at 5 AM for bail money and a lawyer or asking for "loan" for the foreseeable future. In some not inconsiderable way that makes Joe beholden to Burisma. It's more subtle than a straight pay-off but not much.

Influence peddling -- it's real, y'all.

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If you can’t take their money, and then tell them to fuck off, you won’t be good at politicking. 



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