OK, Laptop was real. MSM corruption

[Anastasis 23394]

11 hours ago, BrickHorn said:

Weird that Anastasis of all people would show up to white knight for an obvious Russian troll. 

 

Sorry, gonna need a letter signed by 50 former intelligence officials for these allegations to really resonate.

 

It's really something to watch play out time and time and time again. With each failure iteration only cementing the posturing.  

[Anastasis 23394]

8 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

Deplatforming?  

They're still around spewing shit.

This is just the alt-right's version of:

NY Post made allegations.  Turned out they were mostly correct.  The circumstances were suspicious, though.

No, I'm not troubled by it.

You're a very level headed and fair poster on this sub, which is why I directed those questions your way. 

I am more than a bit surprised that you don't have any depth of concern with how this particular situation played out wrt to social media platforms handling and the other plays. 

[jimmyjazz 45560]

LMAO.  Peak concern trolling.

[wildcat09 29258]

Ana is deeply and sincerely concerned about the future of America if social media algorithms don’t promote foreign disinformation in the weeks before elections. If Putin can’t get Facebook to do his work for him are we even free?

[Anastasis 23394]

2 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

Ana is deeply and sincerely concerned about the future of America if social media algorithms don’t promote foreign disinformation in the weeks before elections.

I know that you have a soft spot in your heart for that domestic-grade disinformation. 

[StassneyHorn 6540]

WHO ARE THESE SO CALLED “INTELLIGENCE” OFFICIALS??????

[freyguy 4245]

1 minute ago, StassneyHorn said:

WHO ARE THESE SO CALLED “INTELLIGENCE” OFFICIALS??????

[TwiceHorn 31283]

12 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

You're a very level headed and fair poster on this sub, which is why I directed those questions your way. 

I am more than a bit surprised that you don't have any depth of concern with how this particular situation played out wrt to social media platforms handling and the other plays. 

Oh, I am not a fan of social media, period.  I don't consider it serious news.  It's good for some chucks sometimes, and some fury, too.  But they're private businesses, so no shirt, no shoes, no dice.

But the bottom line is that media pretty much reported the facts, such as they were, and NY Post lacked the forensics to do anything more than raise some suspicions.  And it came from Rudy Giuliani of all people, which is the reddest of red flags.

The former intelligence people expressed some opinions.  Big whoop.  You also had a partisan, unqualified DNI in Ratcliffe trying to bolster it some, but it lacked the necessary provenance to do that authoritatively.

Also, it was clearly a pre-election red herring, so if media didn't want to indulge all the fantasies of yet-unproven allegations in the run-up to an election, that's ok by me.

That it turned out to be authentic, apparently (that isn't actually demonstrated completely), doesn't really change my analysis.

[Anastasis 23394]

2 minutes ago, StassneyHorn said:

WHO ARE THESE SO CALLED “INTELLIGENCE” OFFICIALS??????

Just run of the spook-clowns that are use to running disinformation operations through media outlets.

This is their bread and butter guys. 

[Anastasis 23394]

1 minute ago, TwiceHorn said:

That it turned out to be authentic, apparently (that isn't actually demonstrated completely), doesn't really change my analysis.

I mean ok, man. 

[MaybeACoordinator 8349]

4 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

 

Also, it was clearly a pre-election red herring, so if media didn't want to indulge all the fantasies of yet-unproven allegations in the run-up to an election, that's ok by me.

That it turned out to be authentic, apparently (that isn't actually demonstrated completely), doesn't really change my analysis.

It's not the media, it's the media being muzzled by a new layer of censors in Twitter and Facebook.

Facebook, Google and Twitter mute or turn down news they don't like or that harms them. Just the other day I posted how Facebook now says it's okay to kill Russians on their platform. I have 3500 Facebook "friends" and I can pretty much fart on there and get dozens of responses. (It's a professional thing; I have to do it.) I got exactly one response to that post. One. 

It's hard enough to get a controversial story into print just from within your own office, and now we've added a whole tier of gatekeepers with no obligation to journalistic ethics or anything else other than their bottom line.

This can and will be weaponized against the Blue Team, too. 

 

[wildcat09 29258]

It’s good, not bad, if the social media algorithms don’t pump obvious disinformation. 

[henrygandorf 29178]

one of my most favorite elements of this is that the right is shocked (shocked i say) that this appearance of possible impropriety by someone close to someone running for president was greeted with an overexaggerated eyeroll, all while acting completely oblivious to the fact that we all now exist in a post-trump bizarro world of political campaigns.

in the double-est of double standards, they want every dem to be treated like it's the 1960's-1980's and every republican to be able to grab 'em by the pussy.

the fact that it continues to blow up in their faces is ironically delicious, if you've been paying attention.

[Neonmoon 38127]

4 minutes ago, MaybeACoordinator said:

It's not the media, it's the media being muzzled by a new layer of censors in Twitter and Facebook.

Facebook, Google and Twitter mute or turn down news they don't like or that harms them. Just the other day I posted how Facebook now says it's okay to kill Russians on their platform. I have 3500 Facebook "friends" and I can pretty much fart on there and get dozens of responses. (It's a professional thing; I have to do it.) I got exactly one response to that post. One. 

It's hard enough to get a controversial story into print just from within your own office, and now we've added a whole tier of gatekeepers with no obligation to journalistic ethics or anything else other than their bottom line.

This can and will be weaponized against the Blue Team, too. 

 

The news media is being muzzled by social media. 

Do you know how stupid that sounds? 

 

[JimmyJames 12271]

21 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Just run of the spook-clowns that are use to running disinformation operations through media outlets.

This is their bread and butter guys. 

Duh. This is somehow news?

[Zepol87 9171]

I have a few dumbass coworkers who hate Hunter Biden, pelosi, and Hillary. What caused this fascinatiion? I mean fucking hate also not just oh Trump is a dumbass and needs his ass kicked. They would cheer death 

[BrickHorn 18194]

45 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Sorry, gonna need a letter signed by 50 former intelligence officials for these allegations to really resonate.

 

It's really something to watch play out time and time and time again. With each failure iteration only cementing the posturing.  

 

But to be fair, maybe it sounds smarter in Russian.

[MaybeACoordinator 8349]

10 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

It’s good, not bad, if the social media algorithms don’t pump obvious disinformation. 

So the "experts" at Facebook, Twitter and Google get to decide what is disinformation? 

[henrygandorf 29178]

1 minute ago, MaybeACoordinator said:

So the "experts" at Facebook, Twitter and Google get to decide what is disinformation? 

do you understand the difference between media and social media?

[MaybeACoordinator 8349]

9 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

The news media is being muzzled by social media. 

Do you know how stupid that sounds? 

 

Um, no, not if you knock down that fucking straw man of yours.

Social media is selectively boosting and sinking certain stories. That is what this controversy is about and it should alarm you.

[Neonmoon 38127]

1 minute ago, MaybeACoordinator said:

So the "experts" at Facebook, Twitter and Google get to decide what is disinformation? 

It’s a private company. If you don’t like using their product, stop using their product. For fucks sake. 

[henrygandorf 29178]

1 minute ago, MaybeACoordinator said:

Um, no, not if you knock down that fucking straw man of yours.

Social media is selectively boosting and sinking certain stories. That is what this controversy is about and it should alarm you.

getting your news from facebook should alarm every-fucking-body.

[Anastasis 23394]

Just now, MaybeACoordinator said:

Um, no, not if you knock down that fucking straw man of yours.

Social media is selectively boosting and sinking certain stories. That is what this controversy is about and it should alarm you.

They can’t think outside of the bipolar political universe. It’s obvious the problems here but hard for some posters to be honest with themselves. 

[MaybeACoordinator 8349]

1 minute ago, henrygandorf said:

getting your news from facebook should alarm every-fucking-body.

Who says I do. I am a man of discernment and I get my news from Shaggy.

[TwiceHorn 31283]

29 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

I mean ok, man. 

I mean, it came under highly suspicious circumstances.  No one had done any forensic analysis on the laptop.  It's not really a smoking gun. It contains some useful hearsay for certain points of view.

It's not like proven facts were buried by the actual media.

 

[Neonmoon 38127]

Just now, MaybeACoordinator said:

Um, no, not if you knock down that fucking straw man of yours.

Social media is selectively boosting and sinking certain stories. That is what this controversy is about and it should alarm you.

Private companies can control what you see on their websites. It’s not a fucking controversy. If Facebook is hurting your fee fees, then fucking stop using it. 

[henrygandorf 29178]

2 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

It’s obvious the problems here but hard for some posters to be honest with themselves. 

this is 100% accurate.  glad you said it.

[TwiceHorn 31283]

4 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

getting your news from facebook should alarm every-fucking-body.

Exactly.  If poltroons and morons weren't so reliant on social media to distribute dogshit, we probably wouldn't have this problem.

I hate social media.  But I don't like the idea of government telling them what they can't or must publish.

Edited March 21, 2022 by TwiceHorn

[Anastasis 23394]

1 minute ago, henrygandorf said:

getting your news from facebook should alarm every-fucking-body.

30-50% of America. 

[Goredho 17349]

1 minute ago, MaybeACoordinator said:

Who says I do. I am a man of discernment and I get my news from Shaggy.

Shaggy?  No wonder all your takes are scaterific.

[MaybeACoordinator 8349]

4 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

It’s a private company. If you don’t like using their product, stop using their product. For fucks sake. 

So, fine. I quit. But what about the great body of American voters?

Also, my own career is tied up in this shit and Facebook directly fucks with my money. I have a mostly non-controversial Substack page and when I link my stories through those fucks they mute them. I can post identical content as a Facebook posts (dozens of likes, hundreds of comments) or as my own link (maybe ten likes and comments.) 

 

[henrygandorf 29178]

Just now, Anastasis said:

30-50% of America. 

the dummification of america continues, one mypillow at a time.

[MaybeACoordinator 8349]

2 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

Private companies an control what you see on their websites. It’s not a fucking controversy. If Facebook is hurting your fee fees, then fucking stop using it. 

It. Is. Not. Just. Facebook.

It is also Twitter and Google with its algorithms.

I guess some of y'all believe that the boardrooms of these organizations have not been infiltrated by bright-eyed, bushy tailed little CIA agents by this time. Lol. They've always been in the media and they always will be, and social media as gatekeeper to the media media is even more important. 

[MaybeACoordinator 8349]

I will say this -- I am glad Trump lost. Immensely relieved. I am just terrified by what the burial of that story revealed about the workings of the media / social media today, ,and you should be to. 

[Neonmoon 38127]

2 minutes ago, MaybeACoordinator said:

It. Is. Not. Just. Facebook.

It is also Twitter and Google with its algorithms.

I guess some of y'all believe that the boardrooms of these organizations have not been infiltrated by bright-eyed, bushy tailed little CIA agents by this time. Lol. They've always been in the media and they always will be, and social media as gatekeeper to the media media is even more important. 

[wildcat09 29258]

MAC with a real strange normie to Alex Jones transition and we get to watch it in real time.

[jimmyjazz 45560]

9 minutes ago, MaybeACoordinator said:

It. Is. Not. Just. Facebook.

It is also Twitter and Google with its algorithms.

Algorithms!

[Anastasis 23394]

7 minutes ago, MaybeACoordinator said:

I will say this -- I am glad Trump lost. Immensely relieved. I am just terrified by what the burial of that story revealed about the workings of the media / social media today, ,and you should be to. 

Russian apologia 

[henrygandorf 29178]

i mean shit, if you can't trust suspiciously edited press conference clips on facebook and twitter then where can you trust suspiciously edited press conference clips?!?

 

 

Edited March 21, 2022 by henrygandorf

[Pato del Muerto 52342]

24 minutes ago, MaybeACoordinator said:

Um, no, not if you knock down that fucking straw man of yours.

Social media is selectively boosting and sinking certain stories. That is what this controversy is about and it should alarm you.

Unless you think each newscast and newspaper  gives you all the news of the day, there’s always been amplification of some stories and ignorance of others. 

[henrygandorf 29178]

this boils down to certain people getting mad that propaganda is getting harder to spread.

change my mind.

[Irwin F Fletcher 3550]

The news media is being muzzled by social media. 

Do you know how stupid that sounds? 
 

No. No, he does not know how stupid that sounds.


He's a troll at worst, though most likely a troll and a moron.

[Irwin F Fletcher 3550]

30-50% of America. 

Morons. Are you in this 50%?

[henrygandorf 29178]

2 minutes ago, Irwin F Fletcher said:

No. No, he does not know how stupid that sounds.

/thread.

[Anastasis 23394]

4 minutes ago, Irwin F Fletcher said:

31 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

30-50% of America. 

Morons. Are you in this 50%?

Might be interesting to call up the contemporary posts on this sub. 

[MaybeACoordinator 8349]

7 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Unless you think each newscast and newspaper  gives you all the news of the day, there’s always been amplification of some stories and ignorance of others. 

I've made a living in the media for 20 years. I know this.

What's new is that there is a whole new level of gatekeepers with interests at variance to what is ostensibly the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. And that is Silicon Valley. I really don't know how hard this is for y'all to grasp. You can say "Quit using it," but that is as practical as telling someone to live without a cellphone. You can say "don't get your news from there," even as you do it yourself, or as if they were content creators themselves. Really -- where do you get your news from if not your curated feeds? Are you going to tell me you log in to several different newspapers / magazines daily without  any sort of "guidance" from social media, including this site? You can say you are glad they are controlling disinformation, but wait until the shoe is on the other foot. 

[Irwin F Fletcher 3550]

Might be interesting to call up the contemporary posts on this sub. 

Well, get to work sweetie.

[wildcat09 29258]

My man, American media has suppressed leftist messaging as long as American media has existed.

[Homercles 10205]

Can we just close down this fuckstick circus of a thread, where OP is getting exactly what he wanted?  

[MaybeACoordinator 8349]

23 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

MAC with a real strange normie to Alex Jones transition and we get to watch it in real time.

when I become a racist, anti-Semitic, slanderous, steroid gobbling gun nut with a tank and a mansion, the transformation will be complete, mwahaha

The difference between Alex and me is he's all hung up in the Second Amendment and I am the First. And the First is being fucked with right now in ways the Founders never could have imagined.