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Thanks for the thoughts. The original HWH team getting the original IP out into the open and getting the longform IRS approval were instrumental in all of this. That's @SquishMitten @RGBIII @SydneyCar

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Outside of unifying all initiatives under one umbrella, which wasn't a small feat for the parties involved, there are two really big things here: 1) All players in all sports will be making money

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I went to the tournament and the gala. Kind of obligated on it and to pay for it, or part of it. It was all well done and a ton of money was raised. We’d committed to a nut for this new cycle for full

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56 minutes ago, immamac said:

No. 

Are they doing their own tailgate or something similar? Will the Surly/Burnt Ends tailgate more explicitly partner with OTF? Not sure how feasible it is technology-wise but an OTF livestream from the tailgate would be cool. Gerry doing his Manscape promo, immmamc and crew shutgunning beers in the background, and @BobbyB doing a facepalm wondering what he got himself into.

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3 minutes ago, Viper said:

Are they doing their own tailgate or something similar? Will the Surly/Burnt Ends tailgate more explicitly partner with OTF? Not sure how feasible it is technology-wise but an OTF livestream from the tailgate would be cool. Gerry doing his Manscape promo, immmamc and crew shutgunning beers in the background, and @BobbyB doing a facepalm wondering what he got himself into.

You got it, we will have Bobby and crew live casting the morning show from nearly every tailgate home and away this year. There will be some exceptions where the OTF crew gets pulled into stuff that is paid etc, but the general idea is to become the main "every fans" tailgate where people can come together and feel comfortable and trust what is going on with regards to information about staff, recruiting, NIL, etc. 

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7 minutes ago, immamac said:

You got it, we will have Bobby and crew live casting the morning show from nearly every tailgate home and away this year. There will be some exceptions where the OTF crew gets pulled into stuff that is paid etc, but the general idea is to become the main "every fans" tailgate where people can come together and feel comfortable and trust what is going on with regards to information about staff, recruiting, NIL, etc. 

This is awesome! Coming down from St. Louis with the wife, son and grandson for the Colorado State game.  Haven't been to a game in nine years, looking forward to seeing all the changes and meeting everyone.

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13 hours ago, DixonHur said:

Yeah, you lost all credibility with line.  

As for Lambo, I call bullshit on them seeing an ROI.  One, what investment are they making?  I understand they are getting a revenue boost from donors (IE the collective ) buying/ leasing cars for players, but how many non-university related cars did they sell based on player x driving one of their cars around Austin?

In other words, that has nothing to do with said players name, image or likeness... Otherwise known as NIL.

Jordan moved units for Nike because we wanted to be like Mike... That's an ROI that's easily calculated.  I can't imagine a scenario where some tech executive decides to buy a Lamborghini because he saw an 18 year old Longhorn football player driving one.

It's all a sham.

Stop the pedantic game of semantics.  These kids are professional athletes, not "student athletes", and it's time they were treated as such.  They need to become employees.

The triplets gave away the ghost when one of them said the reason they picked Texas was because of the money.

There's no loyalty anymore, which is fine, but quite pretending that nothing has changed.  It's all transactional and we'd be wise to recognize it.

I recognize that you work in, or close to, Belmont but don't insult my intelligence by pretending you don't know where this is headed without guardrails being added.

 

 

You've chosen a bizarre hill to die on and I find it entertaining.

The Lamborghini people aren't UT people. They'll tell you themselves that what they're doing works for their business. That's straight NIL, guy.

No one is arguing that things haven't changed. We helped bring about the fucking change. No one here needs a lecture from an ignorant clown on such subject matter. 

The players don't "need" to become employees. I'm sure that will all get sorted, but one thing is certain at this moment in time - being an athlete, especially a football player, at Texas has never been better or more lucrative.

Your pining for some sort of retro move to an egalitarian structure in which rulebreakers get to go back to running amok while everyone whines about their invisible handcuffs is some of the dumbest shit ever posted on this board. It's honestly headscratching.

I don't work in or with Bellmont. 

 

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1 hour ago, closetojumping said:

You've chosen a bizarre hill to die on and I find it entertaining.

The Lamborghini people aren't UT people. They'll tell you themselves that what they're doing works for their business. That's straight NIL, guy.

No one is arguing that things haven't changed. We helped bring about the fucking change. No one here needs a lecture from an ignorant clown on such subject matter. 

The players don't "need" to become employees. I'm sure that will all get sorted, but one thing is certain at this moment in time - being an athlete, especially a football player, at Texas has never been better or more lucrative.

Your pining for some sort of retro move to an egalitarian structure in which rulebreakers get to go back to running amok while everyone whines about their invisible handcuffs is some of the dumbest shit ever posted on this board. It's honestly headscratching.

I don't work in or with Bellmont. 

 

You sir are treading on thin ice.  He will creep your post history and neg you if you aren't careful.  He's not only stupid, he's petty as well.

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I think UT was this way originally with the Lambo group, but there's actually decent corporate money that view it as a low-cost way to get themselves associated with the school.  AT&T, Nike, et.al. pay upwards of $3MM annually to be official sponsors.  Lambo let's a kid drive a rental for nearly the same exposure.

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I am really bothered by the number of posters in this thread that are double spacing after a concluding punctuation mark.

It's one space people. This is the way of the world now.

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If Athletic Departments are trying to figure out how to cover their budget while revenue sharing with the players, they are going to look for as many new sources of revenue as possible. Additional ads are just the beginning.

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So just to add a bit to the lambo conversation

A one year lease can come as "low" as 30k depending on the model. The university and collective are not paying for them. The marketing director of the dealership has talked about how this is purely a financial decision and how he's not a CFB or Texas fan. He also said that the program caught the attention Lamborghini HQ in Italy. The dealership is going into year three of this and have expanded the program over time, which would indicate they view it as a success. They also hired JWhitt as an intern for awhile. And their target audience isn't just the Austin market, it's all the NFL players that our players are now going to be around.

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16 hours ago, Park Gothic said:

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Now that we’re in the in-bred mouth breathers conference…

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15 hours ago, BornAndRaised said:

Not a fan of corporate logo's on the field. If it happens it happens and I'm not gonna whine and moan about it, but this is one thing I will be rooting against passing.

 

14 hours ago, Spider2YBanana said:

It's lame as fuck having the SECunts as our logo. It's embarrassing. 

I would much rather have that STP logo on the field than the SEC logo.

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34 minutes ago, Napoleon said:

Now that we’re in the in-bred mouth breathers conference…

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I would much rather have that STP logo on the field than the SEC logo.

I just want to see a giant sunflower seeds patch on the aggy jersey. 

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Any thoughts on what Inside Texas had to say about "in house NIL" going forward possibly being bad for Texas?

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“From chaos, comes order.” 

This quote, commonly assigned to Friedrich Nietzsche or Ray Nitschke, one of the two, seems apropos for where college football currently finds itself. We’ve been in the chaos stage the last handful of years and now the powers that be, who seem to be a rotating cast of characters, are looking to restore order.  

My main concern, and everyone affiliated with Texas, should be: How well will Texas be positioned to win once we’ve found order?

It’s no coincidence Texas’ resurgence coincides with the NIL era. Collectives play a large role when it comes to name, image, and likeness and Texas has a well-oiled collective that is the envy of most schools.

Texas’ collectives have been key
Yesterday during our Livestream I mentioned the following at around the 30:00 minute mark. 

By far my biggest concern is not roster size…Texas fans should be most concerned about what the role of NIL collectives will be going forward. Del Conte mentioned he’d like to bring those in-house. 

I need a lot more clarity on what that’s going to look like long-term because nothing has benefitted Texas more than NIL in its current climate where it’s very free market-based. The more the central planners get involved and bring it in-house, the more it’s probably going to hurt Texas, and there’s a very good chance the next landscape sees a return to illegal inducements under the table. 

Just because they have so much to spend, that doesn’t mean they won’t spend more and the boosters won’t act different than Texas boosters. Texas is very cognizant of compliance. If they played the game like others, Texas wouldn’t have seen this giant bounce just as NIL became legal.

By far, the biggest concern for Texas fans should be the role of collectives, how they’re viewed going forward. 

Nothing else really matters if you want to win championships and be competitive in the SEC. Texas leadership hopefully has a very good understanding of what could happen if collectives are diminished. 

You’re going to go back to being 8-4 if Texas doesn’t have this legal advantage.

That last part was a bit hyperbolic but it’s going to be much more difficult to win if Texas is forced to pretend to be poor.

Lost advantage
It should be abundantly clear that anything that calls into question the existence of collectives, especially with an imposed salary cap (currently projected to be $22 million) hurts Texas, unless there will be legislation that allows for some kind of bonus structure.

A world where Texas remains compliant while others don’t is an uphill battle, to say the least. Right now it doesn’t matter if schools break compliance because the current structure still allows Texas to overcome their questionable processes. 

Key quotes from those in the know
During the last few days of the Spring SEC meetings, Joe Cook gathered some quotes that are worth parsing. Joe provides the goods for this section:

One of the more eye-opening statements made in Destin was from Texas athletics director Chris Del Conte. He said that if it were up to him, he’d like NIL collectives to move in house, which would mean under his direct purview.

“I think at the end of the day, I understood the reason why they came about,” Del Conte said. “I think the reality is, with what the future looks like, I would prefer everything be brought in house.”

SEC commissioner Greg Sankey was asked about this on Thursday.

“Quite consistently the communication with me is we’d like to see collectives moved away,” Sankey said Thursday. “I think there’s a positive response to the opportunity in the settlement to bring Name, Image, and Likeness activity in house. We’ve even heard from student-athletes talking about how you don’t really know who you’re signing agreements with. Is that really healthy for us?”

Sankey would continue, “When you think about a healthier circumstance, I think that’s what the perspective that Chris shared is. It’s shared by most, if not all, of his colleagues, that they’d like to see change in that area.”

UT president Jay Hartzell was on hand as well. A few quick hitters…

Here’s what he had to say on collectives: “NIL is essentially a couple of bundles. There’s a part where it provides resources for student-athletes to come pursue their education, play a sport, and align some of the revenue that’s been generated with those producers of the revenue.

“There’s a part there, but there’s also what some people label true NIL. I think about Bijan (Robinson) and his mustard. In hindsight, it’s kind of wonky that was not allowed up until now. I think when people talk about the collectives, they have in mind primarily the former, thinking about there should be different models instead of just paying somebody to be on the team.

“Every model I’ve seen and debated still has that second component to it. The question is… how do you distinguish between good mustard and bad mustard? What’s fair compensation for endorsing mustard versus one that seems more egregious and starts to infringe on pay to play? That’s where the enforcement mechanism debates come about. If we go down that path, what kind of entity that we design does that well and fairly. Ideally, we just can’t have things drag out for years where we figure out if the mustard deal was fair or not.”

Keeping self-interest
I’m the very last person to question Texas’ will to win under its current leadership, but what must be understood, is, an attempt to create parity could very easily lead to a return to the old ways. What’s to stop schools from ignoring the salary cap by going back under the table to induce recruits to their school?

Sure, the new governing body could probably create an enforcement arm with more teeth than the NCAA, but the new body is just as likely to go after its revenue creators as the last one. Which is to say, not all that much.

Fortunately, Texas certainly understands this, but understanding and politicking legislation in your favor are two different things.

Notes from Cigars
Here are a couple of notes after talking to sources last night:

People at Texas aren’t sure what direction this is all headed from a legislative standpoint. There are many other considerations, including Title IX. The school is actually hoping the Federal government gets involved and thinks this issue is one that should attract people from both sides of the aisle. There are ways to thread that needle…theoretically. One positive, and I’m chuckling as I write this, is the Federal legislation could help with the enforcement of rules. That’s probably one of the dumbest things I’ve ever written, but again, we’re talking theoretically. 

Texas will handle NIL in-house. What that means exactly, I’m not sure. Are they going to help athletes get marketing deals and then handle the paperwork? Texas will continue to have an advantage in this regard over every school given the fervor for football in a very large college town. If this is all they have, however, for most recruits it might not cut the mustard when competing against illegal bags and poker chips. 

Does CDC want this or is he saying “the reality is, with the way the future looks like, I would prefer everything is brought in-house,” because he knows that’s where things are headed? We know that CDC is on the same page with Sankey. I doubt we see those two speak out of step with one another. CDC’s and Sankey’s interests overlap in places but they also diverge in others. Hopefully there’s going to be some hard discussions behind the scenes and Texas can massage the direction this is all heading. 

With this recent settlement in mind, we hear collectives will be a thing of the past. This should happen within the next two years. I’ve seen it written nationally that some schools will keep their collectives but if you read the quotes above, the SEC seems intent on abolishing them. 

Optimism and skepticism
It’s not all bad for Texas. $22 million, which will increase over time, will be a tough number for schools to come up with. (Though, Title IX looms large when it comes to how money will be disbursed)

There are other enduring advantages UT has that can’t be taken away. For example, Texas is good at politicking. That will be another article. 

But, for myriad reasons I am a little skeptical of where this is all headed. If you know the history of ‘order’ it often isn’t kind to well-intentioned people.

 

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I think it was Pat Forde who reported from the SEC meeting that he had been hearing that Mizoo's model of having the collective set up as a marketing agency could be the best model going forward. Gives plenty of cover legally and leaves a lot of room for flash. CDC wanting it in-house seems suboptimal.

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From the Xavier Worthy thread.  Posting here because there's more that know how ridiculous these comments are.

On 6/1/2024 at 1:58 PM, tx 3 putt said:

with NIL blowing up, 98% of college will be taking a pay cut to go pro 

There are 11,390 players in FBS football.  Your math says 11,162 of those players would earn more in college than the pros.  Where the fuck is the money coming from for the 2nd string center at Kent State?  There aren't 10,000 players earning $1000 of NIL money today, much less on track for 11,000 players to earn $1M+ NIL.  

On 6/1/2024 at 2:17 PM, tx 3 putt said:


if you’re a nfl 2nd round pick, you should be getting $1mil a year in nil money …..

If a kid is good enough to be a 2nd pick, 2 to 3 mil nil is very believable 

It is mindblowing to me that anyone believes this.  It's not even in the same universe of possibility as what is actually happening.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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The problem is that liars keep claiming recruits that they lost are being paid $15MM/year to play somewhere.  You hear it enough and it becomes believable.

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5 minutes ago, immamac said:

only fans for athletes? LOL

Onlyfans is typically porn but there are people who use it for its intended purpose of being a behind the scenes to one's life. Patreon more just being a way to support someone's project while feeling included. But yes passes is more patreon than OF in this case.

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1 minute ago, BornAndRaised said:

Onlyfans is typically porn but there are people who use it for its intended purpose of being a behind the scenes to one's life. Patreon more just being a way to support someone's project while feeling included. But yes passes is more patreon than OF in this case.

I mean it's literally an onlyfans clone website. did you go to it?

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1 hour ago, henrygandorf said:

passes isn't new, and was basically just onlyfans.

now it's onlyfans and livvy dunne and longhorn athletes.

seems like an odd fit, but what do i know?

You don't know shit. Neither do I. You can't possibly know shit unless you donate millions of dollars that you lucked into. 

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1 hour ago, immamac said:

You don't know shit. Neither do I. You can't possibly know shit unless you donate millions of dollars that you lucked into. 

I don’t know who you’re talking about, but it sounds like they have a hot wife with an onlyfans. 

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