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54 minutes ago, MuellerHorn said:

For sure, I'm curious what it was going into Beard's second season (obviously Texas wasn't in the SEC then, but just number wise) and what it would be like with legitimate excitement around the program again.

If Beard were still here, I have no doubt we’d be top or right at the top (probably not above Kentucky) of spending in the SEC. If we hit on the next coach, I expect it will be the same. 

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1 hour ago, MuellerHorn said:

For sure, I'm curious what it was going into Beard's second season (obviously Texas wasn't in the SEC then, but just number wise) and what it would be like with legitimate excitement around the program again.

Beard was getting whatever he wanted. 

Terry’s not getting shorted when it comes to chasing 5 stars from HS. He has a supportive but concerned group of patrons watching things. He’s a terrible fundraiser. 

In any event, Arkansas has a shit ton of NIL backing Caipari and they flat out suck. 

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On 1/16/2025 at 6:34 PM, immamac said:

This is the dumbest shit I've ever read in my life. These people are completely disconnected from reality. 

T9u have read my posts, as well as Futureman, Helobious, and Satyas post, right?

2 hours ago, MuellerHorn said:

Interesting

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Terry is gone after this season, right?

We're not a basketball program, but we've put a lot of 1st round guys in the league. We aren't a blue blood, but we aren't just meh on the program. 

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On Sooner Scoop, they are reporting that tomorrow’s OU regents meeting has a vote to approve transfer of funds from the AD to the OneOklahoma NIL fund, pursuant to the Okie governor’s executive order. 

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2 minutes ago, statsman said:

On Sooner Scoop, they are reporting that tomorrow’s OU regents meeting has a vote to approve transfer of funds from the AD to the OneOklahoma NIL fund, pursuant to the Okie governor’s executive order. 

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37 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

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Yeah, clearly, OU’s recruiting hasn’t taken a step up, nor has Texas taken a step down. Is it because OU doesn’t know how to allocate the funds, yet, between sports and players? Have their donors said they are out once AD money is in? I don’t know and am hoping someone can shed light on 

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34 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

 

it's open season. someone will file a lawsuit to transfer outside the portal 'windows', and they'll win .....

 

BREAKING: The NCAA has reached a settlement agreement in its NIL lawsuit with the University of Tennessee.

NIL collectives can permanently negotiate deals directly with high school and transfer portal players before committing.

The NCAA is officially dead in college athletics.

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4 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

 

it's open season. someone will file a lawsuit to transfer outside the portal 'windows', and they'll win .....

 

BREAKING: The NCAA has reached a settlement agreement in its NIL lawsuit with the University of Tennessee.

NIL collectives can permanently negotiate deals directly with high school and transfer portal players before committing.

The NCAA is officially dead in college athletics.

At this point what’s the point of following ncaa rules when all you have to do is sue them? Obviously follow state law and law to protect the 501c3 one fund status but as far as NCAA goes, fuck em 

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On 1/31/2025 at 5:39 PM, Rimbo said:

so, ncaa, what exactly is it that you do here

NCAA enforcement always relied on the schools submitting to it. That worked for decades. Then, Auburn (Can Newton) and TAMU (Manziel) said, in response to (well substantiated) NCAA allegations of cheating - “we’ll see you in court”. The NCAA has always been toothless without the schools willingly submitting. 
 
If there are ever to be rules, again, the enforcement body will have to be submitted to, willingly. My guess is that the rules will have to be set and enforced by whoever is distributing the money. 

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On 2/2/2025 at 7:43 AM, statsman said:

NCAA ... toothless.

... rules will have to be set and enforced by whoever is distributing the money. 

This will be subject to the "too big to fail" paradigm.

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2 minutes ago, BornAndRaised said:

@RGBIII does this have any repercussions for TOF as a 5013c entity? I'm hoping not since they already have the tax designation, but could it get rescinded?

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@SquishMitten can offer a better opinion. The day has always likely been coming, but there's safe harbor for everyone who participated before anything gets rescinded, I believe.

 

 

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I’ve got to do some more reading up on that, but once everybody started copying us (and being fucking idiots and grifters with it), I’ve been waiting for the IRS to change their tune. I still believe the way we’ve run it is absolutely above board and in line with the purpose of a tax exempt organization, but there’s always the chance we get wiped out with an overly broad stroke of policy making.

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And also, yes. As CTJ said, all donations made up until the date we (hypothetically) lose our tax exempt status remain tax exempt. The IRS can’t come back and change that, at least not without a showing of fraud or something, which there absolutely has not been with us…can’t speak for some schools though. I think a few might be puckering up a bit. 

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4 hours ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Do you think donations would decrease with the potential loss of the 501c3 status?

This is my personal opionion.

That is an inevitability, for at least a chunk, maybe most, of people donating. Many will donate less if they can't deduct it from their taxes. My hope is that the fall off isn't as huge as one might fear, becuase now that the concept has been proven and results have been given, and the fucking idiots have stopped viewing this as distasteful (to a certain degree), the high from having a resurgent program will keep a lot of donators donating. 

This is also my general hope if the NCAA were ever to get invovled, collective bargaining to become a reality, etc. Texas alumns, finally, have a stark illustratoin of what the SEC was up to in regards to paying players before NIL. We can't shove ourselves back in the locker if the lanscape changes again and yield to the bag hags. 
 

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1 hour ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Do you think donations would decrease with the potential loss of the 501c3 status?

I would imagine so. @closetojumping and @RGBIII might be better situated to answer that since they’re far more involved on the donor side than I am and might have a better idea of how many of the big donors are doing it primarily for tax purposes. Doubt it changes much for the small- to mid-tier guys though. 

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3 hours ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Do you think donations would decrease with the potential loss of the 501c3 status?

This is a certainty. I don't have any special insights on that happening, but I have fairly decent common sense, I hope, and it seems obvious that that would have a generally negative impact on "giving". 

2 hours ago, SydneyCarton said:

This is my personal opionion.

That is an inevitability, for at least a chunk, maybe most, of people donating. Keep will donate less if they can't deduct it from their taxes. My hope is that the fall off isn't as huge as one might fear, becuase now that the concept has been proven and results have been given, and the fucking idiots have stopped viewing this as distasteful (to a certain degree), the high from having a resurgent program will keep a lot of donators donating. 

This is also my general hope if the NCAA were ever to get invovled, collective bargaining to become a reality, etc. Texas alumns, finally, have a stark illustratoin of what the SEC was up to in regards to paying players before NIL. We can't shove ourselves back in the locker if the lanscape changes again and yield to the bag hags. 
 

Without going into details for hopefully obvious reasons, I can say that as of last week, there are two things I feel fine with the board knowing:

1) There's a C-corp in existence under TOF lying fallow. It was requested by some of the larger donors for ease of transition in the event of the IRS rescinding the 501(c)3 status. Folks want to ensure competitiveness for the different UT sports programs regardless of tax benefits. The tax benefits absolutely help, though.

2) While a recent development, Del Conte and the powers-that-be throughout the AD and UT admin have a clear understanding that there is going to be an ongoing need to an active and helpful external NIL program long after the AD is able to start sharing revenue. Thankfully, some of these other dumbass institutions cannot keep their mouths shut and have stated quite clearly that they're going to use NIL collectives as a topper to win talent acquisition after the House Settlement "makes all things otherwise equal". 

2 hours ago, SquishMitten said:

I would imagine so. @closetojumping and @RGBIII might be better situated to answer that since they’re far more involved on the donor side than I am and might have a better idea of how many of the big donors are doing it primarily for tax purposes. Doubt it changes much for the small- to mid-tier guys though. 

Most of the money isn't doing this for tax purposes, but that certainly helps. Like I said, I think losing 501(c)3 status would have a generally negative impact on giving, but I don't think it would be some sort of crushing blow. The past, present and future scenarios have been hashed and rehashed with the bigger donors.

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Thanks. I am glad to hear we plan to keep TexasOne going. (Suggestion- on the online donation site, provide an option to donate “in honor of (someone)”. I was disappointed last October to discover that I couldn’t make my donation “in honor of Kirby Smart” (I was a little pissed at Kirby)
 
funny thing- the “rules following” trait of Texas athletics, as near as I can tell, began with Darrell Royal. He was the guy who wanted to play by the rules and get alumni out of recruiting. He did a great job of reforming the program. 
 
Prior to Royal, DX Bible built the program by instituting “The Bible Plan”. That was the name for Bible dividing the state into 23 regions, with a different Texas booster assigned to each region, to lead efforts to get top players signed. My point is- there is no reason to recoil from this new era. 

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On 2/4/2025 at 8:04 AM, BurntOrange&White said:

Do you think donations would decrease with the potential loss of the 501c3 status?

 

On 2/4/2025 at 9:14 AM, SquishMitten said:

I would imagine so. @closetojumping and @RGBIII might be better situated to answer that since they’re far more involved on the donor side than I am and might have a better idea of how many of the big donors are doing it primarily for tax purposes. Doubt it changes much for the small- to mid-tier guys though. 

Donations will certainly go down, but everyone continues to remain on the same playing field, so it only negatively impacts student-athletes and charities...yay

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There are a whole lot of issues with ADs paying players, in accord with the House Settlement. TitleIX has not been put to bed (despite the DOE statement), allocation of AD funds among sports, and among players in sports. Once ADs start paying players, what’s to make them cap their payments at the quoted $20.5M (what happens if they go over? A sternly written letter?)
 
Not many of those issues have been addressed. 
 
All indications are that, regardless, ADs plan to start cutting checks this summer, to players. 

This will be the Wild West. 

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22 minutes ago, statsman said:

There are a whole lot of issues with ADs paying players, in accord with the House Settlement. TitleIX has not been put to bed (despite the DOE statement), allocation of AD funds among sports, and among players in sports. Once ADs start paying players, what’s to make them cap their payments at the quoted $20.5M (what happens if they go over? A sternly written letter?)
 
Not many of those issues have been addressed. 
 
All indications are that, regardless, ADs plan to start cutting checks this summer, to players. 

This will be the Wild West. 

Title IX has fuck all to do with revenue generated by athletes in an athletic department. Those funds aren't federal funds given to student athletes. This is put to bed....no fucking way a women's soccer player should receive same revenue share allocation as a starting WR for the football team. Also the revenue sharing allegedly isn't a hard cap number but rather a percentage of revenue(22% was the estimated percentage).

 

 

FWIW UTSA AD said revenue sharing is going to be voted on April 7 to become official but official start Jan 1, 2026.  She also said that the AAC is mandating a minimum for it's members allocate to revenue sharing at 1 million(currently). 

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There was that story where a new player portaled out of Wisconsin, to Miami, this spring, and Wisconsin called “Foul!”- they had him signed to a contract with the Wisconsin AD. That contractual detail is novel, but was not treated as unusual. That’s why I stated that, evidently, ADs will be (not “might be”) cutting checks to players. 

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I'm in the oil industry, and I saw an article that Diamondback is in talks to buy Double Eagle IV for $5 billion.  Looks like those guys that helped get Canady to Texas Tech have even more to spend.

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17 minutes ago, chiu1040 said:

I'm in the oil industry, and I saw an article that Diamondback is in talks to buy Double Eagle IV for $5 billion.  Looks like those guys that helped get Canady to Texas Tech have even more to spend.

I was very confused about what Texas Tech had to do with Ole Miss DB Jadon Canady transferring to Oregon before I Googled it and discovered this was a softball reference.

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2 hours ago, texifornia said:

I was very confused about what Texas Tech had to do with Ole Miss DB Jadon Canady transferring to Oregon before I Googled it and discovered this was a softball reference.

Yeah more importantly why does that matter in the NIL thread?

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https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/43624832/texas-tech-college-football-transfer-portal-nil-recruiting

Tech just had the #2 transfer portal class. One of the Double Eagle founders helped to make that happen.

I think if one of our boosters was willing to spend and had a huge bump in net worth it would impact our team.

If Tech was willing to commit $1 million to a softball player, they might go even higher for a blue chip football player.

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On 2/14/2025 at 4:06 PM, chiu1040 said:

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/43624832/texas-tech-college-football-transfer-portal-nil-recruiting

Tech just had the #2 transfer portal class. One of the Double Eagle founders helped to make that happen.

I think if one of our boosters was willing to spend and had a huge bump in net worth it would impact our team.

If Tech was willing to commit $1 million to a softball player, they might go even higher for a blue chip football player.

Diamondback to buy Double Eagle IV subsidiaries in $4.1 billion deal

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On 2/14/2025 at 3:51 PM, BurntOrange&White said:

Yeah more importantly why does that matter in the NIL thread?

Help me to understand your thinking.

I look at the thread title. The thread title is NIL Recruiting News Megathread. Canady signed a $1 million contract to play one season of softball in Texas Tech, and yet somehow this doesn't matter in the NIL thread? You don't think a softball player earning $1 million in a year has any bearing on the NIL market?

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10 minutes ago, SL Xpress said:

Help me to understand your thinking.

I look at the thread title. The thread title is NIL Recruiting News Megathread. Canady signed a $1 million contract to play one season of softball in Texas Tech, and yet somehow this doesn't matter in the NIL thread? You don't think a softball player earning $1 million in a year has any bearing on the NIL market?

She's the outlier, so no I don't think it has that much bearing.

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13 hours ago, BurntOrange&White said:

She's the outlier, so no I don't think it has that much bearing.

Okay, fair enough. But outliers are what sets markets. Even outliers can move the needle. More than that, outliers are often exactly what sets new parameters within markets. 

At the time, I did compare that signing to what we'd see in old Hollywood. A new executive takes charge of a studio, axes the projects the previous studio head greenlit, because politically he can't afford any of those to reach it to market and become a huge success. He then makes some kind of big splash on a script or with an actor or director, to make the announcement he's now in charge and his studio is ready to spend money, so bring your deals here.

The deal for Canady felt in part like an announcement our doors are open and our money is very green. 

That said, though, that's why the NIL environment is unsustainable. There are going to be plenty of Matador type groups out there that want to make a splash for their alma mater that have nothing to do with profit/loss statements. The return is primarily an emotional one of seeing their alma mater succeed in athletics. How do you put a market price tag on that? Carson Beck getting $4 million for one year at Miami is the same sort of thing. Heck, I'd argue us going in and stealing Terry away from Georgia out of their back yard was similar. I don't know what was paid for him, but it was more than Georgia was willing to pay. We have Phil Knight out there willing to pay a substantial part of his net worth to bring Oregon their first national championship in football. We have Larry Ellison willing to pay an insignificant fraction of his net worth so his wife's alma mater can flip a star quarterback from LSU. We will continue to see more of that, and the numbers will get progressively higher.

So when you say it doesn't have much bearing, I would counter that even as a momentary outlier, it has tremendous bearing. It means the next woman athlete who signs a $1 million NIL deal to come play for one season at a school that otherwise would not be competitive for that player's services is merely the second player to do so. It's only the outlier right now because it's the first. But you can't have the second and third player do it until the first player does it. It absolutely helps reset the market. 

We'll see what happens, but I'm strongly convinced the NIL market is on a hockey stick growth pattern, and one of the only things that's going to slow it down is the perceived collapse of college sports in some ways that forces Congress or the administration to act in a forceful manner in some regard. Mind you, I'm not saying this Congress, or this administration. Could be far into the future.

What happens in men's revenue sports trickles down to women's sports, especially the more popular, high visible ones, and especially at positions that can powerfully shift the competitive dynamic, which makes the pitcher in softball somewhat unique. But not completely unique. It is quickly becoming more and more expensive to compete in women's basketball, softball, and volleyball, and the signing of Canady is a sign of what's to come.

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17 hours ago, Hornius Emeritus said:

Cody Campbell is just crazy enough to buy Tech a national championship in football.

Cant and wont happen. He could use every dime of double eagle profits and it still wouldn't get kids to want to go to fucking tech

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5 minutes ago, RGBIII said:

Cant and wont happen. He could use every dime of double eagle profits and it still wouldn't get kids to want to go to fucking tech

challenge accepted

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