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17 hours ago, Hornius Emeritus said:

Cody Campbell is just crazy enough to buy Tech a national championship in football.

As we saw from A&M, it takes much more than just buying a roster. 

First, you need a head coach who prioritizes a mental/personality/cultural evaluation for players along with the physical evaluation. You need a head coach who's willing to say no to a 5 star that doesn't fit. Without this, you end up with the dumpster fire that was A&Ms locker room.

Second, you need a coaching staff with elite Xs and Os. Whether that's head coach or coordinators (i.e. Joe Brady for offense, Kirby Smart on defense, etc). Seems obvious, but without elite Xs and Os, it doesn't matter who's on your roster. 

Then, third, you need the players to execute the Xs and Os at an elite level. 

Seems like we are at a place where we finally have all 3 both on offense and defense (hence, back to back top 4 finishes).

If Tech jumps straight to buying a roster, they still ain't gonna do shit without the right head coach and coaching staff in place. They'll be more A&M rather than Texas.

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On 2/20/2025 at 1:32 PM, SL Xpress said:

Okay, fair enough. But outliers are what sets markets. Even outliers can move the needle. More than that, outliers are often exactly what sets new parameters within markets. 

At the time, I did compare that signing to what we'd see in old Hollywood. A new executive takes charge of a studio, axes the projects the previous studio head greenlit, because politically he can't afford any of those to reach it to market and become a huge success. He then makes some kind of big splash on a script or with an actor or director, to make the announcement he's now in charge and his studio is ready to spend money, so bring your deals here.

The deal for Canady felt in part like an announcement our doors are open and our money is very green. 

That said, though, that's why the NIL environment is unsustainable. There are going to be plenty of Matador type groups out there that want to make a splash for their alma mater that have nothing to do with profit/loss statements. The return is primarily an emotional one of seeing their alma mater succeed in athletics. How do you put a market price tag on that? Carson Beck getting $4 million for one year at Miami is the same sort of thing. Heck, I'd argue us going in and stealing Terry away from Georgia out of their back yard was similar. I don't know what was paid for him, but it was more than Georgia was willing to pay. We have Phil Knight out there willing to pay a substantial part of his net worth to bring Oregon their first national championship in football. We have Larry Ellison willing to pay an insignificant fraction of his net worth so his wife's alma mater can flip a star quarterback from LSU. We will continue to see more of that, and the numbers will get progressively higher.

So when you say it doesn't have much bearing, I would counter that even as a momentary outlier, it has tremendous bearing. It means the next woman athlete who signs a $1 million NIL deal to come play for one season at a school that otherwise would not be competitive for that player's services is merely the second player to do so. It's only the outlier right now because it's the first. But you can't have the second and third player do it until the first player does it. It absolutely helps reset the market. 

We'll see what happens, but I'm strongly convinced the NIL market is on a hockey stick growth pattern, and one of the only things that's going to slow it down is the perceived collapse of college sports in some ways that forces Congress or the administration to act in a forceful manner in some regard. Mind you, I'm not saying this Congress, or this administration. Could be far into the future.

What happens in men's revenue sports trickles down to women's sports, especially the more popular, high visible ones, and especially at positions that can powerfully shift the competitive dynamic, which makes the pitcher in softball somewhat unique. But not completely unique. It is quickly becoming more and more expensive to compete in women's basketball, softball, and volleyball, and the signing of Canady is a sign of what's to come.

I would love to know how much it's going to cost to sign Aaliyah Chavez.  Will Tech drive the number into seven figures?

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14 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

I don’t know numbers on a lot of things until later and for reasons that aren’t worth going into. What I do here, sometimes for necessity and sometimes just because of the nature of the beast, is where Texas sits with someone and what is going on in their recruitment. 

In this situation, the word is that Texas is in good shape and thinks it can win out. That usually means that barring something ridiculous, Texas has a package put together and will win because of that and the brand of the school and the program itself. Chavez will get zero corporate NIL at some of the other options. She’ll get real corporate NIL at Texas. That can offset something dumb from elsewhere. 

As things sit now, Tech isn’t rumored to be doing anything absurd. Campbell’s wife is a huge softball patron in part because she played there. She didn’t play basketball too. 

Appreciate the insight.

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1 hour ago, closetojumping said:

I don’t know numbers on a lot of things until later and for reasons that aren’t worth going into. What I do here, sometimes for necessity and sometimes just because of the nature of the beast, is where Texas sits with someone and what is going on in their recruitment. 

In this situation, the word is that Texas is in good shape and thinks it can win out. That usually means that barring something ridiculous, Texas has a package put together and will win because of that and the brand of the school and the program itself. Chavez will get zero corporate NIL at some of the other options. She’ll get real corporate NIL at Texas. That can offset something dumb from elsewhere. 

As things sit now, Tech isn’t rumored to be doing anything absurd. Campbell’s wife is a huge softball patron in part because she played there. She didn’t play basketball too. 

OTF has said OU/Texas battle essentially. I personally think she will announce after her season is over.

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On 2/21/2025 at 8:22 PM, closetojumping said:

I don’t know numbers on a lot of things until later and for reasons that aren’t worth going into. What I do hear, sometimes for necessity and sometimes just because of the nature of the beast, is where Texas sits with someone and what is going on in their recruitment. 

In this situation, the word is that Texas is in good shape and thinks it can win out. That usually means that barring something ridiculous, Texas has a package put together and will win because of that and the brand of the school and the program itself. Chavez will get zero corporate NIL at some of the other options. She’ll get real corporate NIL at Texas. That can offset something dumb from elsewhere. 

As things sit now, Tech isn’t rumored to be doing anything absurd. Campbell’s wife is a huge softball patron in part because she played there. She didn’t play basketball too. 

This is my understanding.

Everyone loves to bring up Canady, but an alum with a rich ass husband dropped the bag to get her to Tech.  Unless Sheryl Swoopes is going to fund it, I don't think Tech has quite the rich WBB alumni base to overpay for Chavez to play for a lame duck coach. 

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1 hour ago, Js1 said:

This is my understanding.

Everyone loves to bring up Canady, but an alum with a rich ass husband dropped the bag to get her to Tech.  Unless Sheryl Swoopes is going to fund it, I don't think Tech has quite the rich WBB alumni base to overpay for Chavez to play for a lame duck coach. 

Serious question - is Sheryl Swoopes actually rich?

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Just now, closetojumping said:

Serious question - is Sheryl Swoopes actually rich?

Probably not. But they don’t have any other famous WBB alum I could think of. Unless one is married to a rich dude, but I think employing back to back former ass players in Gerlich and Whitaker has killed all interest in that program

They don’t even play Texas anymore to generate excitement 

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44 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Only thing I've seen from her lately is she's a bitter old bitch.

 

22 minutes ago, Thiefery said:

if hatred could be monetized.. she is WEALTHY

I guess I've not kept up with Swoopes. What platform is she on in which you guys are seeing her behave so angrily, and about what?

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2 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

 

I guess I've not kept up with Swoopes. What platform is she on in which you guys are seeing her behave so angrily, and about what?

I had to google it myself, so I'll save you the time. Her only platform is apparently rancid hatred of Caitlin Clark as a WNBA accouncer, and going on podcasts with Stephen A. Smith and others and basically refusing to acknowledge Clark's existence, much less dominence. 

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1 hour ago, SydneyCarton said:

I had to google it myself, so I'll save you the time. Her only platform is apparently rancid hatred of Caitlin Clark as a WNBA accouncer, and going on podcasts with Stephen A. Smith and others and basically refusing to acknowledge Clark's existence, much less dominence. 

Yikes. 

I haven't followed Clark since she moved on to the WNBA and I don't even want to know what she's done to inspire hatred.

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9 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

Yikes. 

I haven't followed Clark since she moved on to the WNBA and I don't even want to know what she's done to inspire hatred.

it's because you are a bright light of sunshine, in a world of darkness, amigo.

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16 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

Yikes. 

I haven't followed Clark since she moved on to the WNBA and I don't even want to know what she's done to inspire hatred.

It's funny because it brought on people comparing the two and this great stats comparison:

 

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52 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

and I don't even want to know what she's done to inspire hatred.

Brought viewers to the WNBA?

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53 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

Yikes. 

I haven't followed Clark since she moved on to the WNBA and I don't even want to know what she's done to inspire hatred.

In short, Swoopes said Clark doesn't deserve the NCAA scoring record because she got an "extra year" due to Covid. What she forgot to check was that Clark didn't play the extra year. SO she got a lot of shit for that.

Then during the WNBA rookie year for Clark, she said she doesn't deserve to win rookie of the year, and Indiana would be a playoff team with ot without Clark.

She just doesn't like her, and it caused a lot of hatred spewing back and forth for those defending Clark.

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1 hour ago, closetojumping said:

Yikes. 

I haven't followed Clark since she moved on to the WNBA and I don't even want to know what she's done to inspire hatred.

She doesn't lick t-wats.

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Will the House settlement fair market value NIL limit hold up in court?  Because I don't see why the first lawsuit from a player who finds a booster willing to pay more won't kill it.

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38 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

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UT assisting with tax implications? Anything over $600 is reportable 

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A number of ways to game the system come to mind. For one, a backloaded two year contract, for that “must have”  recruit when your budget is tapped out. Or, if $600 is the limit, a series of $500 handshakes. 
 
The only way this holds is if there are airtight rules, a strong auditing group, and conferences committed to enforcing. Lacking any one, it will still be the Wild West. 

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16 hours ago, WBT said:

Will the House settlement fair market value NIL limit hold up in court?  Because I don't see why the first lawsuit from a player who finds a booster willing to pay more won't kill it.

Despite what you think there is decades and hundreds of millions if not billions in contracts in the same exact sport, with people that have significantly more influence that have set the bar for fair market value for things like promoting a business in commercials or on social media. 

Just because you want to pay someone a ton of money for something absurd doesn't make that the market value. It's the same reason you can't go to the state of Texas and say lol I sold this 2M buggatti for 5 bucks. 

Can some of you stop being obtuse shitheads about how this would work with a real enforcement mechanism? They aren't hiring some schmuck off the street 3rd party. It's a 3rd party with access to tens of thousands of comparable contracts spanning every industry you can think of. 

They aren't going to be stopping deals like quinn ewers or livvy dunn got, thats not the point as those are in line with reality. 

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19 minutes ago, immamac said:

Despite what you think there is decades and hundreds of millions if not billions in contracts in the same exact sport, with people that have significantly more influence that have set the bar for fair market value for things like promoting a business in commercials or on social media. 

Just because you want to pay someone a ton of money for something absurd doesn't make that the market value. It's the same reason you can't go to the state of Texas and say lol I sold this 2M buggatti for 5 bucks. 

Can some of you stop being obtuse shitheads about how this would work with a real enforcement mechanism? They aren't hiring some schmuck off the street 3rd party. It's a 3rd party with access to tens of thousands of comparable contracts spanning every industry you can think of. 

They aren't going to be stopping deals like quinn ewers or livvy dunn got, thats not the point as those are in line with reality. 

I'll believe enforcement mechanisms when I see them actually be enforced and work.  

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43 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

I'll believe enforcement mechanisms when I see them actually be enforced and work.  

The way to do it: Have the conference require a clause in every contract that states- “this contract not valid until approved by conference office”. 
 
Penalties would have to be different than they were in the past. Reducing scholarships hurts the players. Taking a team off TV hurts the paying customer that funds everything. They would have to be something like taking away a home game. That might get Auburn’s attention, if they had to play in Tuscaloosa three years in a row. 
 
 But, I still haven’t seen any motion on this yet. 

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Just now, statsman said:

The way to do it: Have the conference require a clause in every contract that states- “this contract not valid until approved by conference office”. 
 
Penalties would have to be different than they were in the past. Reducing scholarships hurts the players. Taking a team off TV hurts the paying customer that funds everything. They would have to be something like taking away a home game. That might get Auburn’s attention, if they had to play in Tuscaloosa three years in a row. 

Networks aren't taking products off TV in 2025 and beyond. 

I just really believe any cap or fair market value bullshit is only going usher in the old shit. 

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Posted
6 hours ago, immamac said:

Despite what you think there is decades and hundreds of millions if not billions in contracts in the same exact sport, with people that have significantly more influence that have set the bar for fair market value for things like promoting a business in commercials or on social media. 

Just because you want to pay someone a ton of money for something absurd doesn't make that the market value. It's the same reason you can't go to the state of Texas and say lol I sold this 2M buggatti for 5 bucks. 

Can some of you stop being obtuse shitheads about how this would work with a real enforcement mechanism? They aren't hiring some schmuck off the street 3rd party. It's a 3rd party with access to tens of thousands of comparable contracts spanning every industry you can think of. 

They aren't going to be stopping deals like quinn ewers or livvy dunn got, thats not the point as those are in line with reality. 

I think you're the one being obtuse.

There's nothing special about Deloitte Touche that makes them or their enforcement mechanisms free from antitrust law. 

Your analogy about the bugatti is not a good one. If someone wants to buy the $2m Bugatti for $3m the state of Texas isn't going to bat an eye. The market will keep shifting upwards and what a realistic deal for a college athlete looks like will shift upwards as well. 

What would be nice is to have more transparency, so that all actors have a better idea of the actual pricing rather than rumor and innuendo often setting markets. Not that people are all making decisions in a vacuum, but there's a lack of coherent pricing information that means the market can't work as efficiently as it otherwise could, which presents all kinds of arbitrage opportunities all the way around. And those arbitrage opportunities help create new market pricing. So I'm hopeful the House settlement will help in that regard.

But there's still going to be a problem that the value of a college player is not directly tied to how much sheer market value they have from an endorsement perspective, but rather the emotional return on investment provided by helping the alma mater be more competitive in football games and hopefully win a national championship. The House Settlement isn't going to change that, and I personally don't believe any enforcement mechanisms attempted are going to actually work. It will simply end up in more court cases, none of which will go to trial. They'll just keep kicking the can down the street because all parties involved are scared shitless of the triple damages a losing verdict would entail. Rightfully so, IMO. 

All I know is that the housing industry had all kinds of steps to help ensure fair market value was being paid to protect global institutional lenders investing in the pooled mortgage notes. It was purposefully circumvented at an institutional level. So will anything coming out of the House Settlement. When demand is greater than supply - which is the case in terms of highly skilled athletes capable of being the difference between winning the national championship and not - then the market is going to continually find ways around whatever strictures are put in place unless those strictures are severely enforced with a repressive institution and draconian penalties. The House Settlement isn't going to solve any of that. 

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7 hours ago, immamac said:

Despite what you think there is decades and hundreds of millions if not billions in contracts in the same exact sport, with people that have significantly more influence that have set the bar for fair market value for things like promoting a business in commercials or on social media. 

Just because you want to pay someone a ton of money for something absurd doesn't make that the market value. It's the same reason you can't go to the state of Texas and say lol I sold this 2M buggatti for 5 bucks. 

Can some of you stop being obtuse shitheads about how this would work with a real enforcement mechanism? They aren't hiring some schmuck off the street 3rd party. It's a 3rd party with access to tens of thousands of comparable contracts spanning every industry you can think of. 

They aren't going to be stopping deals like quinn ewers or livvy dunn got, thats not the point as those are in line with reality. 

I dunno, man.  The standard floor for patent damages is a "reasonably royalty," that is the product of negotiation entered into prior to commencement of infringement (thus lacking the coercion of a lawsuit).

Suffice it to say, despite a whole shit ton of licenses out there that theoretically could establish reasonable royalties, proving/determining what is one is pretty much a bitch, and hotly litigated in almost every instance.

Various forensic accounting firms and databases have touted their "extensive license and royalty data" and they're almost uniformly full of shit.

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4 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

I dunno, man.  The standard for patent damages is a "reasonably royalty," that is the product of negotiation entered into prior to commencement of infringement (thus lacking the coercion of a lawsuit).

Suffice it to say, despite a whole shit ton of licenses out there that theoretically could establish reasonable royalties, proving/determining what is one is pretty much a bitch.

Cool cool cool, now instead of doing it out in the open so it through an arbitration process specifically taskwd with reasonable royalties. 

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56 minutes ago, SL Xpress said:

I think you're the one being obtuse.

There's nothing special about Deloitte Touche that makes them or their enforcement mechanisms free from antitrust law. 

Your analogy about the bugatti is not a good one. If someone wants to buy the $2m Bugatti for $3m the state of Texas isn't going to bat an eye. The market will keep shifting upwards and what a realistic deal for a college athlete looks like will shift upwards as well. 

What would be nice is to have more transparency, so that all actors have a better idea of the actual pricing rather than rumor and innuendo often setting markets. Not that people are all making decisions in a vacuum, but there's a lack of coherent pricing information that means the market can't work as efficiently as it otherwise could, which presents all kinds of arbitrage opportunities all the way around. And those arbitrage opportunities help create new market pricing. So I'm hopeful the House settlement will help in that regard.

But there's still going to be a problem that the value of a college player is not directly tied to how much sheer market value they have from an endorsement perspective, but rather the emotional return on investment provided by helping the alma mater be more competitive in football games and hopefully win a national championship. The House Settlement isn't going to change that, and I personally don't believe any enforcement mechanisms attempted are going to actually work. It will simply end up in more court cases, none of which will go to trial. They'll just keep kicking the can down the street because all parties involved are scared shitless of the triple damages a losing verdict would entail. Rightfully so, IMO. 

All I know is that the housing industry had all kinds of steps to help ensure fair market value was being paid to protect global institutional lenders investing in the pooled mortgage notes. It was purposefully circumvented at an institutional level. So will anything coming out of the House Settlement. When demand is greater than supply - which is the case in terms of highly skilled athletes capable of being the difference between winning the national championship and not - then the market is going to continually find ways around whatever strictures are put in place unless those strictures are severely enforced with a repressive institution and draconian penalties. The House Settlement isn't going to solve any of that. 

There is no enforcement for FMV for claiming you paid too much for a car and still paying the inflated purchase price taxes, the point of saying $5 is because the state will actually deny that and make you pay FMV taxes on the car. I know how the free market works, I'm not an idiot. I also don't think there's a max deal size, I do think that what quinn and livvy did for their money was way different than someone with no significant public following or influence to charge 75k for a 2 sentence tweet 5 times for 375k

The entire point is to keep scam deals out and keep deal quality high for NIL so it doesn't just turn into a fucking bag game through grossly overpriced tweets or paying 300k for a 1 hour appearance which not even Tom fucking Brady commands. 

You know this. You are being obtuse. Stop acting like this is going to limit any rational deals or any deals that include emotional value. It's to prevent obvious fuckery and cheating. 

 

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7 minutes ago, immamac said:

Cool cool cool, now instead of doing it out in the open so it through an arbitration process specifically taskwd with reasonable royalties. 

In time, that could surely develop, if this holds.  It will require that all NIL contracts be at least semi-public or open to inspection.

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1 minute ago, TwiceHorn said:

In time, that could surely develop, if this holds.  It will require that all NIL contracts be at least semi-public or open to inspection.

THATS LITERALLY WHAT THE SETTLEMENT IS FOR OVER $600 3RD PARTY DEALS 

Posted
2 hours ago, BurntOrange&White said:

So everyone games system to get ahead with tons of $599 deals

The amount you love accounting is so in tune with how much you hate women

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10 hours ago, immamac said:

There is no enforcement for FMV for claiming you paid too much for a car and still paying the inflated purchase price taxes, the point of saying $5 is because the state will actually deny that and make you pay FMV taxes on the car. I know how the free market works, I'm not an idiot. I also don't think there's a max deal size, I do think that what quinn and livvy did for their money was way different than someone with no significant public following or influence to charge 75k for a 2 sentence tweet 5 times for 375k

The entire point is to keep scam deals out and keep deal quality high for NIL so it doesn't just turn into a fucking bag game through grossly overpriced tweets or paying 300k for a 1 hour appearance which not even Tom fucking Brady commands. 

You know this. You are being obtuse. Stop acting like this is going to limit any rational deals or any deals that include emotional value. It's to prevent obvious fuckery and cheating. 

 

Help me understand. And I'm seriously not trying to be a dick here. I appreciate the work you and others on this board have done to make sure things are setup in a way that complies with current regulation.

As I understand things from reading this site, the collective pays student athletes to do charitable work and/or make charitable appearances for the NIL they receive. Is that correct? And if so, do you think that the amount they receive for their charitable work is commiserate with what they're being paid? How do you calculate the value add to the charities? How many appearances do they have to make annually? What are they doing for the money they receive? Because this seems like a bag game loophole to me. A loophole I'm very happy exits. But a loophole nonetheless. 

There's a very good possibility that I'm not fully understanding the specifics of how NIL deals structured through the collective is incorrect. And if that's the case, then I think it would be helpful if someone outlines the quid pro quo of it all so that everyone on this site better understands the general structure of the relationship. 

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4 minutes ago, irishtexan said:

Help me understand. And I'm seriously not trying to be a dick here. I appreciate the work you and others on this board have done to make sure things are setup in a way that complies with current regulation.

As I understand things from reading this site, the collective pays student athletes to do charitable work and/or make charitable appearances for the NIL they receive. Is that correct? And if so, do you think that the amount they receive for their charitable work is commiserate with what they're being paid? How do you calculate the value add to the charities? How many appearances do they have to make annually? What are they doing for the money they receive? Because this seems like a bag game loophole to me. A loophole I'm very happy exits. But a loophole nonetheless. 

There's a very good possibility that I'm not fully understanding the specifics of how NIL deals structured through the collective is incorrect. And if that's the case, then I think it would be helpful if someone outlines the quid pro quo of it all so that everyone on this site better understands the general structure of the relationship. 

Burnt ends has specific quid pro quo for all the guys and it is laid out pretty clearly. They have an appearance, 3 interviews each and do brand ambassador stuff for burnt ends a few times a season including the kickoff every year. 

I don't structure the TOF deals, but they are similar - some type of appearances, interviews etc while promoting TOF or a charity of their choice. 

They don't get paid to do charitable work. 

I've been very outspoken about how by the letter of the law TOF has been clean, but I have disagreements on how certain things are done - namely the fact that no one really knows a single charity they've done work for. More people heard about the unrelated to TOF charitable work that canes did than TOF. It's an annoyance as a founder who had a vision for what it could be, not a gripe that it's illegal, wrong or against the rules. 

This new governance will likely be a huge nothingburger for Texas, it'll be a big deal for a lot of other places that are signing players to pay for play schemes where they are too lazy to build in any believable or relatively sane quid pro quo and bolster that with clawbacks and penalties if they leave etc. 

This is why I keep using Quinn as an example. He had top NIL money. This new rules set would largely have him unaffected, he has a real agent who works for a real agency, has a PR team, has staff on salary etc. 

There's a lot of guys that were getting paid a ton of fucking money for nothing but playing and it's obvious, they don't have agents, they have little to no following, the news cycle doesn't follow them, no one talks about their commercials etc. Those types of deals need to die and that's the goal here. 

I think the university being able to pay them directly is going to solve the majority of this "emotionally attached spend" because you can donate to the AD or AD adjacent collective and poof its just taken care of. 

Corporate NIL is a totally different animal and there aren't many businesses out there willing to just take a huge fucking bath because the owner likes a player because those businesses wouldn't stay in business. 

ROI on big corporate money is real and it works. It's a huge market that they haven't been able to enter for a long time, but it's concentrated and strategic. 

This is where delloite will look into stuff. You can't have a company with 500k in annual revenue spend 300k on marketing the "star" freshman backup RB somewhere who has 10k social media followers and that marketing consists of 3 tweets. 

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Some interesting numbers in this article.

(Sam Khan Jr.) Transfer portal confidential: What’s the going rate for Power 4 starters?

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We’re a month removed from the national championship game, and the players who transferred from Notre Dame and Ohio State have found homes. So that’s given us a good bit of separation from the winter transfer portal window. Now that there has been time to assess all the roster movement, The Athletic spoke to 13 coaches and personnel staffers across the sport to get their insight on how much it costs to land transfers and build rosters. Coaches and staffers were granted anonymity for their unfiltered thoughts.

Based off what you know, what’s the going rate for a starting-caliber player at the position you coach?

Coach 1: Probably $250,000 or higher (at linebacker).

Coach 2: I’d say it’s at least $300,000 (for receiver).

Coach 3: A normal, average P4 (starting quarterback) is about $900,000. Your better ones, top five or six in the conference, will be about $1.3 to $1.4 million range. You can get average for pretty good price. We didn’t go above $750k for (our guy) but I do believe in him and what he can do.

Coach 5: There were (receivers) late in the stretch who were going for $800,000 to $1 million at some places. At the low end, maybe $200,000 to $300,000. For a starter, $250,000 to $300,000. For some of those elite guys, probably $800,000 to $1 million or even more, which is nuts.

Coach 6: I would say the floor (at cornerback) is $200,000.

Coach 7: $400,000 for a top-tier running back, to me, is enough (to get a guy). Your best pass rusher, your great three-technique, they’re probably getting $700,000 to $800,000. They’re not getting that from us but they are from (richer schools).

Coach 8: A tackle is at or over $1 million. Boundary receivers are about $1 million-plus.

Coach 10: At the premium positions, you’re getting a legit six figures at the G5 level, especially at quarterback. (G5) tackles and edge rushers are probably clearing six figures as well. Once you kinda get past that, I don’t think it’s as high as people think. Probably in the tens of thousands for (G5) running backs, receivers.

Coach 11: A (Power 4) starting quarterback, you’re looking at about $1 million. Running back, depending on what you’re doing, probably $200,000 to $250,000. Receivers … anywhere from $600,000 to $800,000 for a really good one. There were tight ends who went for $650,000 this cycle. Tackles, you’re looking at $750,000-plus — one of them got $1.5 million. Interior O-line, $250,000 to $400,000 range. Edge rushers, I would say $250,000 or $300,000. Interior D-linemen, much more, probably talking $500,000. Linebackers, $150,000 to $300,000, depending on age and experience. You can get some good ones for $150,000. You can probably get an elite one for $300,000. All the defensive back positions, corner, safety, under $400,000. If you’re touching half a million for them, the juice isn’t worth the squeeze.

Coach 12: You can get a good offensive tackle for $500,000. But depending on the situation, it was usually a little bit more. And then, as teams got desperate, it was like $1 million. If you have $300,000 to $500,000 for a receiver, you’re going to get a really good player. We really weren’t in the pass-rusher market, but that was nearing $1 million from what I heard.

Coach 13: Tight ends, anywhere from $300,000 to $750,000. Quarterback, minimum $1 million if you’re an Auburn, a Miami or an LSU looking for the right one. Group of 5 starters (at quarterback), mid-six figures; it wouldn’t surprise me if you got to $800,000 for the right one.

What’s the boldest request you received from a transfer recruit or representatives this cycle?

Coach 1: $300,000 and a guarantee of 90% of the snaps. Or $400,000 from a guy who made 30 tackles. I said that’s too rich for my blood.

Coach 4: There was a (Power 4) backup offensive lineman who wanted us to guarantee him $300,000, and he played like 19 snaps last year. I’m like “Hell no.” I’d rather retain a good young player on my roster who I already know who he is.

Coach 7: An agent — I wasn’t even sure I was going to take this guy — but he said, “Now you need to think outside the box like crypto and gold bars.” I was thinking, “What the f—? What the hell is crypto?”

Coach 8: Babysitting.

Coach 13: An offensive tackle told us if we gave him $715,000 and a car that he would sign with us. I think housing was involved in that, too.

How much total money do you think your school needs to build a competitive roster in your league?

Coach 1: I would say $10 million.

Coach 2: Now we’re going into revenue share so you’ll be at that $21 million cap. So as long as your school is hitting your total revenue share, you’ll be OK.

Coach 3: I would say probably about $13 million to $14 million to be competitive for the conference title.

Coach 4: The goal is to always be in the top three (NIL-wise in our G5 conference). Next year I think that’s $4 million or $5 million. You’re looking at $5 million for G5s moving forward like, “Hey, if you want to be in the game, this is where you’ve got to be.”

Coach 5: If you truly want to compete every year, you better be at $15 million-plus.

Coach 7: We’ve got the numbers at $15 million. We won’t quite be at that. But from a football standpoint, with rev share you’ve got to be somewhere between $13 million and $15 million and also have the ability to get legit NIL for some guys. Another $3 million to $4 million of that will put you in the ballpark.

Coach 8: $40-50 million. That’s where I think it’s going to go.

Coach 9: If you’re talking championship level, elite eight-, final four-level, you need a $20 million roster for that. If you’re talking just competitive, winning eight or nine games, $10-$15 million. The people who spend the most are gonna have the best roster. That’s just what it is.

Coach 10: In a post-House settlement world, the floor to being competitive in our (G5) league is probably in the $3-5 million range. Some schools will be higher, but in our conference, most of the schools will be in that range on an annual basis.

Coach 11: If you actually want a chance to win it, you need $20 million. Anything less than that — unless you’re just a genuinely great X’s and O’s guy or developer — is going to get you just an OK team.

Coach 12: Like, $13 million to $15 million. As long as everyone’s working within the rules and not going outside the cap, it’s hard to get much more than that. You can allocate more to football and go to $16 million or $17 million, I guess, but I don’t think everyone in our conference is at that number, either.

Coach 13: I would say $17 million. To sign high school kids, pay your own kids and get players in the portal, $17 million is a good middle ground.

 

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Without going into a bunch of details, the 501(c)3 side of TOF will be ending shortly. The House settlement is specifically ending that aspect for all programs. Independent NIL work and TOF LLC related work will continue, including uninterrupted for the subs and stuff. NIL support above the university/AD payouts is still going to be essential and corporate NIL will be critical, due to many of the concerns voiced here about the return of bags and other such if there isn’t more active support to ensure players feel like they’re getting their value. 

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On 2/27/2025 at 9:31 PM, immamac said:

There is no enforcement for FMV for claiming you paid too much for a car and still paying the inflated purchase price taxes, the point of saying $5 is because the state will actually deny that and make you pay FMV taxes on the car. I know how the free market works, I'm not an idiot. I also don't think there's a max deal size, I do think that what quinn and livvy did for their money was way different than someone with no significant public following or influence to charge 75k for a 2 sentence tweet 5 times for 375k

The entire point is to keep scam deals out and keep deal quality high for NIL so it doesn't just turn into a fucking bag game through grossly overpriced tweets or paying 300k for a 1 hour appearance which not even Tom fucking Brady commands. 

You know this. You are being obtuse. Stop acting like this is going to limit any rational deals or any deals that include emotional value. It's to prevent obvious fuckery and cheating. 

 

I guess you and I have different areas of emphasis. I find you overly concerned about what you call bag games involving overpriced tweets or inflated 1 hour appearances. I'm saying who cares? The market is going to continue to grow at hockey stick levels regardless of what form it takes because that's what markets do when poorly regulated and ruled by Keynsian animal spirits. NIL is in the tulip mania phase of operation. See also mortgage notes circa 1990s-2008. 

The House Settlement is not going to provide the kind of regulation that will create a ceiling on NIL amounts, regardless if that's the intent or not. A systemic approach will not be possible through the court system. It will have to be legislated - by Congress - and we're a long ways away from that happening. I feel confident there will have to be some kind of serious or at least impending collapse of college athletics first. 

"How did you go bankrupt?"

"Gradually, then suddenly."

- The Sun Also Rises

We're in the gradual phase right now. 

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