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College sports as we know it has to end because it was illegal and had a hypocritical pretense of fairness. People who feel an affinity for their hagiographic recollections of days gone by will mourn its passing, as will those who benefitted from its features (whether good or bad). Southwest Airlines used to be Texas-only airline with sex-kitten stewardesses. It's not just death and taxes; the inevitable includes change and responding to it with denial and lamentation. College sports are changing, not dying. Yes I know I used it as both a plural and singular collective-- sue me, grammar police. 

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With the women’s basketball 5 star picking OU over Texas it left me with a question about corporate NIL. Do the shoe companies and other corporate NIL companies offer different NIL compensation based upon where an athlete decides to enroll? Because that five star player will be worth a helluva lot more at Texas to them than at OU, I would think. She’s working her deal with Jordan and I would have thought he’d pay her more at Texas. 

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  On 3/25/2025 at 8:35 PM, Dbeasy said:

With the women’s basketball 5 star picking OU over Texas it left me with a question about corporate NIL. Do the shoe companies and other corporate NIL companies offer different NIL compensation based upon where an athlete decides to enroll? Because that five star player will be worth a helluva lot more at Texas to them than at OU, I would think. She’s working her deal with Jordan and I would have thought he’d pay her more at Texas. 

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Texas is a Nike school. OU is a Jordan Brand school. (That’s why their football uniforms have a silhouette of a guy dunking a basketball)

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  On 3/25/2025 at 8:35 PM, Dbeasy said:

With the women’s basketball 5 star picking OU over Texas it left me with a question about corporate NIL. Do the shoe companies and other corporate NIL companies offer different NIL compensation based upon where an athlete decides to enroll? Because that five star player will be worth a helluva lot more at Texas to them than at OU, I would think. She’s working her deal with Jordan and I would have thought he’d pay her more at Texas. 

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She will be a bigger national name if she plays in OU’s offense. 

Caitlyn Clark became the (white) face of women’s college basketball while playing at fucking IOWA!

If you want to be a star while still in college, you have to be in a position to make Sportscenter highlights. That likely wasn’t going to happen for 2 or 3 years if she were to go to Texas. That will happen for her this November & December in Norman.

Plus, OU is a national brand even though it’s a podunk state. That is why the SEC brought them in.

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  On 3/25/2025 at 8:49 PM, statsman said:

Texas is a Nike school. OU is a Jordan Brand school. (That’s why their football uniforms have a silhouette of a guy dunking a basketball)

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Ah there’s the missing piece. 

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She chose ou because of 1) faster style of play (it didn't help them much this year)

2) Money. That's it.

The silver lining we save over $1m AND we're loaded  with 5* players everywhere, which is why we're a perrineal school looking for a championship, and ou just dregs along. Chazwv, who is good, isn't getting anything other than a recruiting win and may 2 more wins a season. She's no threat to us or anyone else in the SEC who is a power player. Good luck to her. We still signed the #4 player in Aaliyah Crump. Vic reloads. 

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Question for the NIL gurus, re the House/NCAA settlement:

I am reading that schools will hold NIL rights to an athlete for 3 years, and should an athlete transfer, the new school would owe the original school compensation.

Is that accurate?

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  On 4/10/2025 at 7:00 PM, NTVTXN said:

 

 

Perennial" refers to plants that live for more than two years, returning each year, while "perineal" relates to the perineum, the area between the anus and the genitals. 
 
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Don't sleep on peroneal. This is sports, after all.

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I'll admit to being naive about Iamaleava's mediocrity until today.  He was a press darling early in the season last year, esp. after the TD pass that put Tennessee up over Bama in mid October.  Against good defenses, he kinda sucked.

And I actually hypothesized that he was lured into this by tOSU or Oregon, but @closetojumping properly set the record straight.  He's (below?) average and should have worked on his craft and deposited large checks.  

 

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I am absolutely subscribed to see the bottom fall out of NIL post settlement for anyone not in a major media metro because there ain't gonna be no more corp NIL beyond the settlement cap for those schools. 

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  On 4/12/2025 at 2:32 PM, immamac said:

Holy shit. Tennessee told him to go fuck himself, bye. 

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I respect Tennessee for that, no lie. He didn't even play up to what they were already paying him and he wants more? Ok, good luck, FAFO

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  On 4/12/2025 at 2:47 PM, immamac said:

I am absolutely subscribed to see the bottom fall out of NIL post settlement for anyone not in a major media metro because there ain't gonna be no more corp NIL beyond the settlement cap for those schools. 

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Unless Congress acts - which I guess there's a remote chance - you're off your rocker.

There's a reason the Power 4 commissioners are in Washington lobbying Congress to step in. They know how vulnerable they are regardless of the House settlement:

Power Four commissioners call on Congress to fix NIL

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Power Four commissioners call on Congress to fix NIL

Story by Jeff Hauser

As the future of Name, image and likeness continues to be debated, the commissioners of Power Four conferences seek outside assistance to help regulate the 'Wild West' conditions.

SEC's Greg Sankey, ACC's Jim Phillips, Big Ten's Tony Petitti and Big 12's Brett Yormark met in Washington to discuss options with Congress on how to proceed with strict NIL guidelines. The four men have the clear objective to stop unlimited use of the transfer portal, along with payments exceeding eight figures in some cases.

More than 2,000 Division I college basketball players have entered the portal since it opened March 24. One player found an exit from his old program minutes after losing in March Madness.

"We need help from Congress," Yormark told FOX News. "From where I sit today, federal preemption, having a standardized platform that oversees and governs NIL is critically important. Today, 34 states see it very differently, and it’s relatively unruly."

Yormark and the Big 12 are coming off one the best athletic years across the two major sports. Deion Sanders and Colorado will have two of the top players in the 2025 NFL Draft with Heisman winner Travis Hunter and Shedeur Sanders. Arizona State made the first-ever 12-team College Football Playoff under Kenny Dillingham. Also, Houston's men's basketball team had an outstanding run to the National Championship, putting Kelvin Sampson in the big game for the first time in his illustrious coaching career.

"The volume of laws that are being passed on a state level are making it really difficult for us to regulate and compete nationally," added Big Ten Commissioner Tony Petitti. Every single time someone doesn’t like a ruling, or something comes from the NCAA, we end up in litigation. Those rules then get aggregated, and we’re back to the start. 

"We’re hopeful that the combination of what we’ve done in the settlement will give us an opportunity, with some help from Congress, to really put a system in a place that has some stability.  

"We’ve crossed the bridge of being willing to provide revenue … but we need to have some structure. We can’t have a system that has completely unregulated movement."

The settlement Petitti referred to is House v. NCAA, allowing schools to pay a portion of revenue from media rights, ticket sales and sponsorships directly to athletes. The initial budgeting for the Big 12 sits at $20.5 million to be shared across all sports, with football programs receiving a majority of the funds. 

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At best it will be a short term fix. The bottom isn't going to drop out of NIL over the long term. Someone somewhere is going to fork over the money to build a potential national championship roster, and then everyone else will have to decide if they want to compete or not. The enforcement of the House settlement will be iffy at best. At the very least it will require going to court to simply enforce it. And the NCAA has shown no appetite for anything but settlements since the Supreme Court depantsing in the Alston case. 

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  On 4/14/2025 at 2:30 PM, kevwun said:

Damn, his people must be horrible to deal with if Oregon narc'd on him.

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Nico's agent is his dad, so I'm sure they're terrible to deal with. Also no harm to Lanning in snitching on him, because Nico's dad doesn't have any other clients. This whole thing is a great example of why you should hire a real agent and not do it yourself. 

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  On 4/15/2025 at 5:07 PM, Sbbruin said:

BetOnline has the Bruins as the early favorite to land Iamaleava at 2/1 followed by UNC at 5/2 and SC at 3/1. Not sure where the NIL would come from.

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I think it would have to come from a lack of competitive offers elsewhere. He'd be a massive upgrade over Aguilar. Would be a bizarre move coming from the other school that was recently burned by the Imaleavea family, but it would be a massive talent upgrade for UCLA (and I don't even think Nico is particularly good). 

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  On 4/15/2025 at 6:07 PM, Jimmy Two Times said:

I think it would have to come from a lack of competitive offers elsewhere. He'd be a massive upgrade over Aguilar. Would be a bizarre move coming from the other school that was recently burned by the Imaleavea family, but it would be a massive talent upgrade for UCLA (and I don't even think Nico is particularly good). 

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Yeah, initial reports from spring camp on Aguilar are mixed at best.

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I have a question-

1. We have read, in multiple sources, that last year a handful of programs had football player payrolls north of $20M, funded all by donors/NIL marketers. 
 
2. How much do the other 60 or so P4 programs pay? I don’t know- I’ll guess (pull out of my ass) $5M (Oregon State?)to $20M, maybe with a bell curve distribution?

3. The “House settlement” expected to come down- will have P4 programs distributing $20M, with $15M typically slotted for football, coming from AD coffers (and schools required to pay that if they wish to stay P4): doesn’t that mean a big increase in football player pay, even when not counting donors and NIL?

Shouldn’t this mean fewer players entering the portal (better pay where they are), and higher bidding on players in the portal? It doesn’t appear that we have seen that yet, or am I missing something? Are most schools waiting for it to become official?

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  On 4/17/2025 at 12:15 PM, statsman said:

I have a question-

1. We have read, in multiple sources, that last year a handful of programs had football player payrolls north of $20M, funded all by donors/NIL marketers. 
 
2. How much do the other 60 or so P4 programs pay? I don’t know- I’ll guess (pull out of my ass) $5M (Oregon State?)to $20M, maybe with a bell curve distribution?

3. The “House settlement” expected to come down- will have P4 programs distributing $20M, with $15M typically slotted for football, coming from AD coffers (and schools required to pay that if they wish to stay P4): doesn’t that mean a big increase in football player pay, even when not counting donors and NIL?

Shouldn’t this mean fewer players entering the portal (better pay where they are), and higher bidding on players in the portal? It doesn’t appear that we have seen that yet, or am I missing something? Are most schools waiting for it to become official?

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I just copied from the below from one of Burnt Orange & White’s post in another thread. Apparently, Bobby Burton wrote this recently. It may help to answer your question…
”One interesting note:

Some other schools are using a 48-hour mandatory filing rule to detain some of their players from entering the portal on a more timely basis.

In other words, schools are hoping the House Settlement passes before being forced to enter a player’s name in the transfer portal. It’s an effort to retain the player by potentially deflating a player’s value, allowing their own school to be financially competitive for the player and/or a combination of both factors.

The move is unlikely to work. More key players, ones Texas may target, are expected to officially enter the portal in the next 24 hours.

Until the House Settlement passes there are no FMV guardrails on NIL. Other schools desperately want those guardrails when competing with Texas, Ohio State, etc.”

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  On 4/17/2025 at 12:15 PM, statsman said:

I have a question-

1. We have read, in multiple sources, that last year a handful of programs had football player payrolls north of $20M, funded all by donors/NIL marketers. 
 
2. How much do the other 60 or so P4 programs pay? I don’t know- I’ll guess (pull out of my ass) $5M (Oregon State?)to $20M, maybe with a bell curve distribution?

3. The “House settlement” expected to come down- will have P4 programs distributing $20M, with $15M typically slotted for football, coming from AD coffers (and schools required to pay that if they wish to stay P4): doesn’t that mean a big increase in football player pay, even when not counting donors and NIL?

Shouldn’t this mean fewer players entering the portal (better pay where they are), and higher bidding on players in the portal? It doesn’t appear that we have seen that yet, or am I missing something? Are most schools waiting for it to become official?

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Here is my view on it. While external rules/systems can quite successfully tamp down value in a market - or conversely, push value in a market that wouldn't otherwise have it at that level - at the end of the day market forces are still going to play out.

Sports are interesting from an economic point of view, because unlike other enterprises, the end result isn't necessarily profit/loss and market/revenue growth. There's also a matter of winning on the field, which brings its own reward above and beyond any economic value it brings, which can also be substantial.

The value of anything is the price two parties are willing to agree to. It's not an algorithm. It's not determined by an expert. Or the state. It fluctuates depending on an incredible number of factors. But perceived value is paramount. The perceived value of a player who is seen as the missing piece to a championship level team isn't easily quantified. Think about how much Minnesota overpaid for Herschel Walker. Or Cleveland for DeShaun Watson. Think about if an executive for a shoe company could go back in time and bid against Nike for Michael Jordan's endorsement. How much more would they have been willing to pay? The numbers are all very fuzzy, and because they're very fuzzy, there's a wide range that can be justified for an organization when going after an outlier. And while outliers are...well...outliers by definition, they're also what sets market prices.

In college sports there's no salary cap. The House settlement isn't one either. People want it to be. People are pretending like it's going to serve that function. But in the end it's a temporary stopgap so that athletic departments can feel like they have this thing somewhat under control. But it's quickly going to be like that scene in the Batman movie where Bane asks the city councilman if he feels in control. That's why so many people in college sports are heading to Washington for some legislative relief. They know they have their finger in the dyke and it's bound to spring leaks all over the place. 

To repeat, there's no salary cap. There's no realistic enforcement mechanism. There's not an intrinsic tie to profit/loss in terms of how much people are willing to pay. There are too many stakeholders to fashion a functioning cabal that would artificially suppress labor costs. Whatever labor cost relief schools experience in the short term is going to quickly be run over like a speed bump as the groups with money they're willing to spend to help their alma mater win at the highest levels...spend it. We think of the Oregons, Ohio States, and Texas of the world as setting the market, and maybe in the aggregate in terms of overall team payroll they do. But there are plenty of alums at schools like Texas Tech, SMU and other places who see an ability to spend their way to a competitive position in ways that weren't necessarily possible previously, and they're willing to let go of a certain percentage of their wealth to do so. And Katy bar the door if people like Larry Ellison truly get involved in NIL. 

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Oh, another thing that cracks me up is this idea international players aren't receiving NIL funds. They absolutely are. I'm not sure who is supposed to enforce that to make sure it doesn't happen, but they aren't. 

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  On 4/17/2025 at 6:04 PM, SL Xpress said:

Oh, another thing that cracks me up is this idea international players aren't receiving NIL funds. They absolutely are. I'm not sure who is supposed to enforce that to make sure it doesn't happen, but they aren't. 

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ICE? It’s not an NCAA issue, it’s a student visa issue.

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  On 4/18/2025 at 2:21 PM, Bodacious Bevo said:

If you make that statement you need to name the 2-4 NIL earners that you’d cut to make it happen

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Alright! We get to discuss a counterfactual!

As I recall, Down decided on the Buckeyes over the Horns and Dogs fairly late, so Texas had a number it was ready to pay. Therefore, I only need to come up with enough more to overcome the Buckeyes’ package (and it may not have all been money that won him over). I stated that would have been worth it- Texas would get notably better (for two years), and the Buckeyes get notably worse. How much would it have taken? Would dropping Niblack have done it?

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  On 4/18/2025 at 2:42 PM, statsman said:

Alright! We get to discuss a counterfactual!

As I recall, Down decided on the Buckeyes over the Horns and Dogs fairly late, so Texas had a number it was ready to pay. Therefore, I only need to come up with enough more to overcome the Buckeyes’ package (and it may not have all been money that won him over). I stated that would have been worth it- Texas would get notably better (for two years), and the Buckeyes get notably worse. How much would it have taken? Would dropping Niblack have done it?

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Texas was never in on Downs. Georgia tampered with him and they were backslapping themselves. Ohio State came in over the top with $1M/year and Georgia and Bama were cooked. 

Texas got Mukuba for a fraction of that and the upgrade to Downs would have been marginal and would have cost Texas Mukuba and Filsaime, if not also D Williams. Probably another position due to salary reqs as well. 

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  On 4/18/2025 at 2:42 PM, statsman said:

Alright! We get to discuss a counterfactual!

As I recall, Down decided on the Buckeyes over the Horns and Dogs fairly late, so Texas had a number it was ready to pay. Therefore, I only need to come up with enough more to overcome the Buckeyes’ package (and it may not have all been money that won him over). I stated that would have been worth it- Texas would get notably better (for two years), and the Buckeyes get notably worse. How much would it have taken? Would dropping Niblack have done it?

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Wasn’t Downs the guy who caused the 7 yard loss on second and goal from the one? tOSU not having him for that one game would have been impactful. 

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  On 4/18/2025 at 2:48 PM, closetojumping said:

Texas was never in on Downs. Georgia tampered with him and they were backslapping themselves. Ohio State came in over the top with $1M/year and Georgia and Bama were cooked. 

Texas got Mukuba for a fraction of that and the upgrade to Downs would have been marginal and would have cost Texas Mukuba and Filsaime, if not also D Williams. Probably another position due to salary reqs as well. 

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Fair enough. Mukuba was great for Texas and Texas was great for Mukuba. I’ll accept what you say about Texas and Downs, because I don’t know any more than what I hear on podcasts. 
 
If anyone is worth $1M, Downs is probably it, right?

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  On 4/18/2025 at 2:59 PM, statsman said:

Fair enough. Mukuba was great for Texas and Texas was great for Mukuba. I’ll accept what you say about Texas and Downs, because I don’t know any more than what I hear on podcasts. 
 
If anyone is worth $1M, Downs is probably it, right?

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I think you kind of have to view NIL circumstances as photographs in time, rather than a motion picture. A lot of guys are getting $1M+ for 2025. It’s only been a minute since Downs got that. QBs have been getting more than $1M+ from the jump. Kickers, just so we’re clear, are still nowhere close to anything like that, no matter how hard folks in social media or on other threads here want to honk about it. 

For clarity, there are multiple non-QBs getting $1M+ on the Texas 2025 roster. Few would argue that those guys aren’t worth it. 

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Anyone feel like weighing in here?  

  On 4/3/2025 at 7:17 PM, Mittens said:

Question for the NIL gurus, re the House/NCAA settlement:

I am reading that schools will hold NIL rights to an athlete for 3 years, and should an athlete transfer, the new school would owe the original school compensation.

Is that accurate?

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