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22 hours ago, skipmcgee said:

ICE? It’s not an NCAA issue, it’s a student visa issue.

What are you talking about? I'm saying I know international athletes making bank on collective NIL deals when they're not supposed to be. I'm not saying whether it's an NCAA issue or not. I'm saying whoever is responsible for enforcing no NIL for international athletes is not doing any actual enforcement. My guess is it's an IRS deal because it's taxable income and an international student doesn't have a social security number. 

There's an overall lack of enforcement in college athletics. It's like if all the traffic laws in the country continued to exist, but the police no longer felt empowered to enforce them. Sure, many people would try to obey the law because that's the only way to have a civil society, but some people would disregard the laws at their convenience, and those examples would then empower more people to disregard them, until the system broke down. I'm saying that's what is going to happen in college athletics. That is what is currently happening right now. 

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3 minutes ago, SL Xpress said:

What are you talking about? I'm saying I know international athletes making bank on collective NIL deals when they're not supposed to be. I'm not saying whether it's an NCAA issue or not. I'm saying whoever is responsible for enforcing no NIL for international athletes is not doing any actual enforcement. My guess is it's an IRS deal because it's taxable income and an international student doesn't have a social security number. 

There's an overall lack of enforcement in college athletics. It's like if all the traffic laws in the country continued to exist, but the police no longer felt empowered to enforce them. Sure, many people would try to obey the law because that's the only way to have a civil society, but some people would disregard the laws at their convenience, and those examples would then empower more people to disregard them, until the system broke down. I'm saying that's what is going to happen in college athletics. That is what is currently happening right now. 

The issue with international players getting NIL money is that an F-1 student visa puts strict limitations on their ability to work/earn money in the country.  Taking NIL could result in losing their visa and getting deported.  With the current admin, they might even get sent to a Central American gulag.

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1 minute ago, skipmcgee said:

The issue with international players getting NIL money is that an F-1 student visa puts strict limitations on their ability to work/earn money in the country.  Taking NIL could result in losing their visa and getting deported.  With the current admin, they might even get sent to a Central American gulag.

Regardless, it's happening. Let me know when we get the first deportation. I do understand that's a heck of a risk/reward ratio, but it's cash in hand versus uncertain enforcement.

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1 minute ago, SL Xpress said:

Regardless, it's happening. Let me know when we get the first deportation. I do understand that's a heck of a risk/reward ratio, but it's cash in hand versus uncertain enforcement.

I would be incredibly shocked if anyone was making over the table paper-trail present payments in violation of federal law

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1 minute ago, skipmcgee said:

I would be incredibly shocked if anyone was making over the table paper-trail present payments in violation of federal law

Yeah, I doubt it's strictly over the table. Some of these are relatively substantial amounts, though. Certainly low 6 digits in some cases. 

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Not sure about the lawfare, but I had a German guy working for me in Houston, with all proper paperwork - green card or whatever it was. He took some classes at Rice, and I don't recall any "student visa" issues. It seems reasonable to think some sort of a similar paperwork workaround would be possible for athletes. 

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5 hours ago, skipmcgee said:

The issue with international players getting NIL money is that an F-1 student visa puts strict limitations on their ability to work/earn money in the country.  Taking NIL could result in losing their visa and getting deported.  With the current admin, they might even get sent to a Central American gulag.

I watched a documentary on El Salvador's massive new prison, called the El SalvadorADX Florence, but holds over 80k from MS13 and Barrio 18 members and assoxiates. They never turn the lights off, they get no mail, they can't speak with anyone, including their lawyers. When they come out of their cells they are bent forward with their heads placed on the back of other prisoners. They don't get rec time, they're in there for 24/7 and it's crowded. It makes GITMO look like a minimum security. 

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1 hour ago, Frank Drebin said:

Is the House Settlement going to be the return of bag dropping? 

In what sense? You mean not doing it above board and in accordance with laws and regulations that allow people to pay players? I'm a bit confused as to why you would skirt the system instead of just doing it in a way that is already established and easy to do. 

1 hour ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Gerry Hamilton believes so.

Really? 

Posted
29 minutes ago, Not a Sock said:

I think Gerry is hearing that from agents trainers and coaches the people who have a vested interest in the bag game coming back.

Am I missing something? Can someone explain that to me?

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4 minutes ago, immamac said:

Am I missing something? Can someone explain that to me?

Gerry and a quite a few people seem to be under the impression that the house case and revenue sharing means that there is “salary cap” on how much a school can spend. Gerry believes that some schools will go back to under the table bags. 

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10 minutes ago, Not a Sock said:

Gerry and a quite a few people seem to be under the impression that the house case and revenue sharing means that there is “salary cap” on how much a school can spend. Gerry believes that some schools will go back to under the table bags. 

If Gerry really believes that there will be a salary cap, he's out of his gourd. 

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Paul Finebaum was lamenting the fact that the current gangsters in charge (Michigan, Ohio St., Texas, Oregon) will stay in charge.  Poor fucking broke ass Alabraska.  I'm enjoying their slide and I hope they descend further into hell than Nebraska even.  Maybe asshole Trev can become their AD one day.

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41 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

If Gerry really believes that there will be a salary cap, he's out of his gourd. 

No kidding.  For high potential schools, revenue sharing will come from the school's earnings from operations and not directly from the large donors.  NIL is still legal and always will be, if anything the regulations could become even less strict over time, as more athletes challenge rules that infringe on their rights and restrict them from earning in the exact same way their college counterparts who are not athletes are able to earn.

You've already mentioned many times that the idea of some clearinghouse "leveling the playing field" is a foolish dream of the have-nots, and I agree with that as well.

There will be no salary cap.  Legally, there can't be.

Potentially it puts the have-nots in an even worse position, having to tap their resources to help cover the revenue sharing rather than preserving those funds for NIL.

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43 minutes ago, Fondren & Main said:

Paul Finebaum was lamenting the fact that the current gangsters in charge (Michigan, Ohio St., Texas, Oregon) will stay in charge.  Poor fucking broke ass Alabraska.  I'm enjoying their slide and I hope they descend further into hell than Nebraska even.  Maybe asshole Trev can become their AD one day.

You shut your whore mouth. Alberts needs a lifetime contract at A&M, with buyouts that make Sumlin blush. 

21 minutes ago, MuellerHorn said:

Can someone post the entire article, please?

The link worked for free on desktop, fwiw. But it didn't for mobile. So I'm guessing you're still forked. 

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2 hours ago, closetojumping said:

If Gerry really believes that there will be a salary cap, he's out of his gourd. 

I agree - that's why I'm so confused as to why you would even "drop bags" it seems like a really good way to go to jail over something stupid, because it's not against the NCAA or Conference rules to pay players it would just be illegal to give people cash due to tax implications...

 

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Here’s the entire article

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How Texas football’s pancake-themed NIL movement helped solve a decade-plus of O-line woes

Ralph D. Russo

April 23, 2025 6:00 am CDT

AUSTIN, Texas — Texas coach Steve Sarkisian smiled, rolled his eyes a bit and let out that sound people make — combination sigh and chuckle — when they think back on something that once seemed radical but now feels quaint.

Imagine only having to pay $50,000 for an offensive lineman who could play in the SEC.

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“Today? I wish,” Sarkisian said.

Under Sarkisian and his offensive coordinator and longtime right-hand man Kyle Flood, Texas has fixed the offensive line problem at the core of the Longhorns’ 15-year struggle to rejoin college football’s perennial national title contenders.

In this week’s NFL Draft, Texas could have as many as four offensive linemen selected. That would double the number of Longhorns offensive linemen drafted from 2009 to 2021. If tackle Kelvin Banks Jr. — the No. 26 prospect in the draft, according to The Athletic’s Dane Brugler — is selected Thursday night, he will be the first Texas offensive lineman taken in the first round since Mike Williams went with the No. 4 pick to the Buffalo Bills in 2002.

“There’s layers to how that happens. I’m sure there’s been great players before, but for whatever reason, it just didn’t work out,” Sarkisian said.

And, most encouraging for Texas fans, this year’s bumper crop of NFL offensive linemen shouldn’t be a one-off. There appears to be plenty of talent left in Austin to protect Arch Manning in 2025.

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To address Texas’ weighty issue, Sarkisian and Flood had some help from one of the first headline-grabbing ventures of college sports’ name, image and likeness era.

Remember the Pancake Factory? A Texas booster group called Horns with Heart started the program in late 2021, just a few months after the NCAA lifted its ban on compensating athletes for endorsement and sponsorship deals. It promised $50,000 to each Longhorns offensive lineman in exchange for promoting Austin charities.

“Setting out, our goal at Horns with Heart was to make a positive impact, it wasn’t to buy players or fix the offensive line,” said Rob Blair, who helped launch Horns with Heart and is now vice president of the Texas One Fund collective and is known worldwide as a dude that has a massive hog, and heart of gold.

Horns with Heart eventually became part of Texas One Fund, and the concept of targeting position groups in football for NIL opportunities quickly became antiquated. Individualized deals for just about every player on the team became the norm.

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The broader NIL market rapidly evolved, too — to the point where $50,000 was not even enough to retain a solid backup on many college football rosters. An SEC team looking for a starting offensive lineman in the transfer portal these days should prepare to spend at least 10 times that much.

What the Pancake Factory did for Texas and Sarkisian was signal they intended to be aggressive in two areas: providing NIL opportunities to players and building a championship-level offensive line.

“Pun intended, we took the bull by the horns,” Sarkisian said. “It was like, OK, you can do this. There’s a mechanism to do something that the rules allowed. And I don’t know if people were afraid of what was going to happen or where this was going to go, but we went for it.

“And I don’t know if that was the end-all, be-all. I think it was a sign of: We’re committed to it. We want to have a really good offensive line. We’re committed to bringing in good players. We’re committed to the big uglies up front, you know?”

The Longhorns signed seven high school offensive linemen in 2022, Sarkisian’s first full recruiting class as Texas coach. It turned out to be a massive haul, literally (the signees’ listed weights totaled 2,185 pounds) and figuratively.

Banks, the five-star headliner of the Class of 2022, and Cam Williams, a three-star recruit, were the starting tackles on last year’s CFP semifinalist team. Williams is prospect No. 148 in Brugler’s top 300, a projected fourth- or fifth-round pick.

The other two Longhorns O-linemen who could hear their names called this weekend are versatile guard Hayden Conner (projected as a seventh-rounder by Brugler), who was part of the transitional 2021 signing class, and center Jake Majors, a Tom Herman-era holdover who started 56 games in a five-year career and could slip into Day 3 of the draft.

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Three more players from the Class of 2022 are slated to start on the interior of the Texas’ rebuilt line this season, with Cole Hutson (a three-star recruit) at center flanked by D.J. Campbell (five-star) at right guard and Neto Umeozulu (four-star) at left guard.

On the surface, replacing four starters along the offensive line is the biggest question facing a Texas team that appears otherwise loaded to make another run at a national title.

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“We take that and use that as fuel for us,” said Trevor Goosby, who is penciled in to replace Banks at left tackle.

Sarkisian said he and Flood faced a negative narrative on the recruiting trail about Texas’ offensive line development when they came to Austin in 2021.

“For sure, it was really hard,” Sarkisian said. “We were fighting it.”

Hutson, from Frisco, Texas, said the arrival of Sarkisian and Flood from Alabama, where they led the offense in 2019 and ’20 and won a national title, was far more important than the Pancake Factory bonus when it came to boosting his interest in the Longhorns.

“Whenever I kind of heard that they were coming here, I kind of picked up the phone again,” Hutson said. “I was like, I really want to talk to Texas. I really want to talk to them.”

While the 2022 class was transformative for Texas up front, Sarkisian is quick to credit the players he inherited for helping to change the trajectory, especially Majors and tackle Christian Jones.

“I think the first part was identifying what we had when we arrived and who we could lean into, because the easy thing is to scrap everything and start over,” Sarkisian said.

Jones started for three seasons under Sarkisian and was a fifth-round draft pick by the Cardinals last year.

To build an offensive line to last, it’s best to avoid relying on transfers. Retention and building from within are crucial. Quality offensive linemen are hard to find in the portal and expensive. Texas has not added a transfer offensive lineman since Sarkisian came to town.

“If you want to have first-round draft picks, first thing you have to do is recruit first-round draft picks, right?” Sarkisian said. “Second is you have to develop those guys. And third, you know that you got to have a little bit of luck, where you don’t get the injury bug.”

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As with most top programs, Texas targets specific physical traits in all its recruits. With linemen, Sarkisian often sums up the process as searching for “big humans”. Texas’ projected starting five along the offensive line this season averages 6 feet 5 and 318 pounds.

The best offensive lines also tend to produce a unit greater than the sum of the parts. Continuity and cohesion are vital. Texas believes it has that as Sarkisian and Flood enter their ninth consecutive season together, dating to their time on the Atlanta Falcons’ staff.

Campbell is Texas’ lone true returning starter on the offensive line, with 30 starts in three seasons, but Hutson, Umeozulu, Goosby and Andre Cojoe (who is competing with redshirt freshman Brandon Baker at right tackle) have all been in the program at least three years.

It can sound cliche when Goosby talks about how Flood coaches his linemen to prepare as if they were the starter, but he is proof the process seems to be working.

Goosby was thrust into action in crucial games late last season because of injuries to Banks and Williams and more than held his own against stiff competition. Goosby is also a testament to Texas’ ability to identify, project and develop talent.

Basketball was his first love and it took him a while to find a position on the football field. He was still a gangly three-star prospect when former Texas assistant coach Blake Gideon came upon him while checking in on another Longhorns recruit at Melissa (Texas) High.

“And he’s like, how old are you? What do you weigh?” said Cynthia Goosby, Trevor’s mother. “And he looks Trevor in the face and he’s like, ‘Hang on.’ And so he calls Kyle Flood. He’s, like, I got a kid here, 6-7. He’s maybe 270 (pounds) right now. He says, ‘But not a lick of facial hair.’”

Cynthia Goosby said Flood broke down every aspect of her son’s athletic profile, from game tape to footage of his weight room workouts, and detailed Texas’ plan for him. That was enough for him to decommit from TCU and flip to Texas. Not once, she said, has her son considered transferring.

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“It was all about what Trevor’s development would be, player development, and that was just so appealing,” Cynthia Goosby said.

Going into his third season at Texas, Trevor Goosby is up to 314 pounds while maintaining the quick feet and coordination he developed on the basketball court. He also has some wispy whiskers on his still boyish face.

Trevor Goosby credits Banks and other older teammates with being role models. And he’s looking forward to seeing where his former linemates are drafted this weekend in Green Bay, Wis. It might call for an offensive line watch party in Austin.

“I’m gonna hit my guys up and see if they want to do something,” Goosby said. “That’ll be fun. It’ll also be a good team-building thing, and also just seeing our guys achieve what they work so hard for.”

As for the Pancake Factory, it will go down as one of the more memorable initiatives from the early days of NIL, even if its role in turning around Texas’ fortunes along the offensive line was minimal.

“Suffice to say that we are very pleased with the results of the offensive line improving, and as much as I would love for me and my team or the Pancake Factory to take any small piece of credit, I will have to instead point to the excellent staff and scheme that Coach Sark and Coach Flood brought to Austin,” Blair said.

Texas One Fund president Patrick “Wheels” Smith said the collective still takes pride in emphasizing NIL opportunities for offensive linemen.

The Pancake Factory is gone, Smith said, but “its spirit lives on.”

 

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I asked Gerry and Bobby on their livestream Monday night this: 

"It was mentioned that the House settlement would cause the "bag game" to become relevant again. Do you see this disproportionately hurting Texas in recruiting, or is the Athletic Dept, Corporate NIL, overall foundation Texas has built these last couple of years strong enough to overcome that?"

Gerry responded in that he thinks the "state" schools (Bama, LSU, etc) will employ the bag game once more and that essentially they will more effectively keep in state talent home and away from the likes of Texas. 

For clarification purposes I am completely ignorant on NIL, House Settlement, etc. I only read when the Jumping guy and the guys with Steve Jobs/Michael Scott avatar post because they actually have information/insight. I am fully aware this question is very likely "stupid" and I am sure people on this sight have/will enlighten me. I simply wanted to know how big a deal this house settlement thing was and if (as a Texas  fan) I should be concerned.

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted
49 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Revenue sharing funds are capped. 

Yeah, so what?  Collectives and corporate stuff aren’t.  The AD isn’t dropping bags from athletic department funds.  Boosters do.  Boosters can legally give to collectives. What benefit does circumventing collective do?  Other than expose all parties to risk.  Especially from IRS

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7 minutes ago, Frank Drebin said:

Yeah, so what?  Collectives and corporate stuff aren’t.  The AD isn’t dropping bags from athletic department funds.  Boosters do.  Boosters can legally give to collectives. What benefit does circumventing collective do?  Other than expose all parties to risk.  Especially from IRS

lol at irs and penalties for cheating. 
 

the benefit isn’t they can lock players in with bags it’s a lot cheaper than NIL for the schools Gerry mentioned. 
 

just providing what I think Gerry’s bigger point is 

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Just now, BurntOrange&White said:

lol at irs and penalties for cheating. 
 

the benefit isn’t they can lock players in with bags it’s a lot cheaper than NIL for the schools Gerry mentioned. 
 

just providing what I think Gerry’s bigger point is 

That makes no sense.  Money is money.  Why would they take less if it’s a bag when they can be paid by boosters legally through NIL?

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1 minute ago, Frank Drebin said:

That makes no sense.  Money is money.  Why would they take less if it’s a bag when they can be paid by boosters legally through NIL?

Bottom of roster and depth building? Securing commits? Securing signatures? Bags work in different ways. 

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Just now, BurntOrange&White said:

Bottom of roster and depth building? Securing commits? Securing signatures? Bags work in different ways. 

No, no they actually don't. This is a horrible take. 

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3 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

lol at irs and penalties for cheating. 
 

the benefit isn’t they can lock players in with bags it’s a lot cheaper than NIL for the schools Gerry mentioned. 
 

just providing what I think Gerry’s bigger point is 

If that's Gerry's bigger point then he's really really dumb.

Bags at historical shithole cheater programs aren't going to compete against legitimate NIL deals at the legitimately funded powerhouse schools.  I guess they can compete against each other for the dregs but that's not going to impact legitimate and legal programs like Texas.

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My understanding of the reasoning for the return of bags is that they would avoid the new independent clearing house and fair market value requirements.

The settlement basically sets up two pathways for payments to players: revenue sharing and NIL (which can come from the school or third parties). Revenue sharing is capped (~$20M) and can be doled out as a school sees fit. NIL is not capped, but all deals worth more than $600 dollars will have to go through an independent clearing house where they will be reviewed to ensure that they are fair market value for a valid business purpose. The clearing house will have the power to reject a deal that is pay-for-play. So, if Starting DT X’s NIL has a fair market value of $Y, then bags theoretically offer a competitive advantage if they are going to be greater than $Y because theoretically the only other option would be to add more and more NIL obligations for Starting DT X, and he only has so many hours he can spend signing autographs and copy/pasting tweets. 

Personally, I think it’s too early to know how the settlement will impact things. The clearing house thing seems like it will either work very well or terribly - probably terribly. Texas should be well-equipped to navigate the new landscape, whatever it may be. 

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1 hour ago, Frank Drebin said:

Yeah, so what?  Collectives and corporate stuff aren’t.  The AD isn’t dropping bags from athletic department funds.  Boosters do.  Boosters can legally give to collectives. What benefit does circumventing collective do?  Other than expose all parties to risk.  Especially from IRS

The House settlement prevents boosters from paying players - at least that is what the conferences are attempting to do.  We can argue about whether the clearinghouse that has to approve NIL deals will be effective in doing so.

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/44579716/house-settlement-nears-finalization-amid-judge-last-concerns

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In exchange, the NCAA will be allowed to limit how much each school can spend on its athletes per year -- an effective salary cap that is expected to start at roughly $20.5 million per school and increase annually during the 10-year lifespan of the deal. The deal also gives the industry's most powerful conferences an increased ability to police the name, image and likeness deals between athletes and boosters, which is intended to keep teams from using their boosters to circumvent the $20.5 million cap.

 

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11 hours ago, immamac said:

In what sense? You mean not doing it above board and in accordance with laws and regulations that allow people to pay players? I'm a bit confused as to why you would skirt the system instead of just doing it in a way that is already established and easy to do. 

Really? 

Well, he does eat mayo on his corndogs, so take anything he says with a grain of salt. 

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6 hours ago, Texas Wahoo said:

The House settlement prevents boosters from paying players - at least that is what the conferences are attempting to do.  We can argue about whether the clearinghouse that has to approve NIL deals will be effective in doing so.

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/44579716/house-settlement-nears-finalization-amid-judge-last-concerns

 

And then a booster sues the ncaa and conference for arbitrarily determining the fair market value of a deal, when the definition of a free market is what someone will pay for it, and the notoriously eager to litigate NCAA gets its ass handed back to them, because the basic premise of NIL that the courts declared in the first place is being violated by the ncaa and conference. 
 

to be clear, this is what i predict eventually happens. 
 

additionally, if there’s any a school with a booster network and businesses and corporate NIL around to mitigate these type of situations and find creative solutions, it’s Texas. 

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Restricting legal income for non-collectively bargained participants will not survive first contact in court. Jay Bilas was mocking the premise on the radio two days ago saying everything we’re saying here. He’s also a lawyer. 

The LSU and Bamas of the world are still really fucking poor. Collectives will still exist. The first time a deal for a player signing autographs and getting $500k to do so is declined, the whole thing goes to court and then we all get to point and laugh at those shitty, impoverished institution and the fucking cheaters trying to support them. 

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Not sure if there's another thread tracking the house settlement but the judge just sent it back demanding for a grandfathering of roster limits to protect student athletes from being cut. Doesn't really impact football but impacts all the other sports.

 

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/44823761/judge-delays-house-settlement-approval-roster-limits

 

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Judge Claudia Wilken said the NCAA's insistence on immediately implementing roster limits would cause some college athletes to lose their spot on their current teams and that she could not approve a settlement that would cause harm to some members of the plaintiff's class. She wrote that she did not have issues with any other parts of the proposed settlement and that the court "tentatively finds it can grant final approval" to the remainder of the settlement if the roster limits issue is resolved.

 

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9 hours ago, Texas Wahoo said:

The House settlement prevents boosters from paying players - at least that is what the conferences are attempting to do.  We can argue about whether the clearinghouse that has to approve NIL deals will be effective in doing so.

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/44579716/house-settlement-nears-finalization-amid-judge-last-concerns

 

Boosters can pay the school now to do NIL stuff up to 20.5M, that's in addition to any other AD donations or school donations they want to make. 

Anything over that likely isn't gonna be booster initiated/required because it'll be filled in with corporate or other NIL that may go through the clearinghouse, but it's a none issue. Especially if the clearinghouse acts as each individual university compliance has been working. It'll actually facilitate deals easier. 

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For industry marketing NIL opportunities, here are the top 50 U.S. municipalities, ranked by GDP. When you look at P4 college towns, and omit those that have pro sports teams, you have:

22. Austin

27. Nashville 

34. Columbus, OH

38. Raleigh, NC

OKC only has the Thunder, if you want to count them, and checks in at 48.

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5 minutes ago, statsman said:

For industry marketing NIL opportunities, here are the top 50 U.S. municipalities, ranked by GDP. When you look at P4 college towns, and omit those that have pro sports teams, you have:

22. Austin

27. Nashville 

34. Columbus, OH

38. Raleigh, NC

OKC only has the Thunder, if you want to count them, and checks in at 48.

Nashville has the Tennessee Titans, dude. Do you need the address? Because it's not 1060 West Addison. 

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3 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

Nashville has the Tennessee Titans, dude. Do you need the address? Because it's not 1060 West Addison. 

And Raleigh has the Hurricanes, who split their arena with NC State basketball and are currently up 2-0 in their playoff series.

Columbus also has the Blue Jackets. @statsman just hates hockey.

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17 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

Nashville has the Tennessee Titans, dude. Do you need the address? Because it's not 1060 West Addison. 

Crap. I remembered the Titans (TM), but brain farted and thought they were in another Tennessee city (I know, ridiculous)

Still, the overriding point is that Texas and Ohio State (mostly Texas) are better situated than others to have payers paid to hawk cars and restaurants 

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38 minutes ago, statsman said:

Still, the overriding point is that Texas and Ohio State (mostly Texas) are better situated than others to have payers paid to hawk cars and restaurants 

Yeah, but what about sunflower seeds, huh smart guy?

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