2022 Houston Astros Thread

[Honeysucklerose 990]

Well raise the white flag, here comes Maton

[kevwun 15811]

He needs a fastball in the ribs.

[David Dennison 18940]

Wow.

[Honeysucklerose 990]

I hate to say I told ya, but…..

[cabowabo 4492]

I'm out.

[Gut Wagon 8084]

Need to run to the store. No real rush to get back. 

[kevwun 15811]

If you can’t beat him, line a ball off his forearm.

[kevwun 15811]

Maybe Chisholm can throw better if he wears that football helmet in the field.

[Guest]

bags- run em over, but that tends to be a problem nowadays.

 

LOLz.

[Guest]

35 minutes ago, Honeysucklerose said:

Well raise the white flag, here comes Maton

Brought to you by Pancho's...

[YChang 3455]

This isn’t fun. Not one bit.

[Gut Wagon 8084]

It's almost comical. Almost. 

[Guadaloopy 10990]

I’m starting to really be concerned about Bregs.  

[Honeysucklerose 990]

Bregman is so broken

[David Dennison 18940]

12 minutes ago, Honeysucklerose said:

Bregman is so broken

I keep thinking he's gonna break out of it, then he weakly flies out with the bases loaded and I get kinda sad.

[WBT 20644]

Abreu looks good

[henrygandorf 29194]

i can't remember the last time i felt this good about dependable bullpen options in june.

curious to see what happens with odorizzi and possibly lmj and how that impacts javier, but abreu is turning into the multi-inning guy i've been trying to summon for several years now.

[Gut Wagon 8084]

Don't waste another chance to win this one. 

[tx 3 putt 77242]

bagwell being in awe around brett and schmidt is pretty damn cool

 

[WBT 20644]

I still can't believe Sosa hit the top of that light tower

[dbecks 442]

Bregman kinda sucks lately, no?

[mrhorn 1383]

When does Dusty move him down? Yordan batting 3rd tonight would not have sucked

[perfectchaos007 6677]

Yeah Bregman needs to be a 7 or 8 hole hitter right now. Correa was moved way down the lineup at one point during his slump a few years back, and he eventually snapped out of it. 

[HtownHorn 14755]

8 minutes ago, perfectchaos007 said:

Yeah Bregman needs to be a 7 or 8 hole hitter right now. Correa was moved way down the lineup at one point during his slump a few years back, and he eventually snapped out of it. 

Ideally, Gurriel and Bregman would be in the bottom 3rd, but since we already have 2 other holes in the Maldatro and Sirck "platoons" Gurriel and Bregman are getting too many important ABs. It's just stupid to be losing games in June when you know you have to make improvements. There is no reason to wait, other than letting other teams drive up the price.

[Murfdogg21 4413]

Tonight was my boys’ first MLB game in person. Thanks Garcia, Maldonado, Bregman, and everybody else who sucked ass. 

[dr99 560]

It sucks having four guaranteed outs in the lineup

[henrygandorf 29194]

if bregman, with his eye, can't find pitches to hit while hitting in front of arguably the best current hitter in major league baseball then he's got to get bumped down.  as far as i'm concerned, hit him 9th and let him scratch and claw his way up.  that's his personality, not the entitled 3 hole hitter.

the division is done with, who gives a shit.  make some noise.

[Bevo&Pevo 5213]

9 hours ago, YChang said:

This isn’t fun. Not one bit.

It wasn't any better in person.  We just thought it was sucky inside, when we got to the wife's SUV someone broke in.

[Wulaw Horn 19140]

8 hours ago, henrygandorf said:

if bregman, with his eye, can't find pitches to hit while hitting in front of arguably the best current hitter in major league baseball then he's got to get bumped down.  as far as i'm concerned, hit him 9th and let him scratch and claw his way up.  that's his personality, not the entitled 3 hole hitter.

the division is done with, who gives a shit.  make some noise.

I’m retrospect with how It’s all played out it would have worked best to pay Carlos all his money plus Bergmans for the next 2.5 years and roll with Peña at 3rd. Carlos got the OPS up into the 800’s and is now higher than Penas and much higher than Bergmans. 
I wanted Carlos back. Peña has been a lot better than I thought he’d be (this is all a quiz the real test is the post season) but damn it man, Bregman is just not a solution to anything on this team and he’s verging on becoming a problem. 
i should note- smart people different places on the internet say his quality of context is much better than his results and he should be doing better and is probably just unlucky. 
my thought is if the ball is dead he needs to up his vitamin S regime to counteract that. 

Edited June 11, 2022 by Wulaw Horn

[Gut Wagon 8084]

Ball doesn't seem that dead for everyone. (And I'm not trying to compare Bregman to Alvarez. That's just not a fair fight.) You not only have to move Bregman down, at least temporarily, you have to find more overall firepower.

My eyes just tell me that as currently constructed, this is the worst overall Astros team in years and might not even live to meet the Yankees, much less beat them. Our division lead is largely the product of the AL West's sheer ineptitude. What can be done to right this ship in a hurry is another question, but more consistent hitting is the most obvious need even if LMJ and Odo bounce back. 

[Gut Wagon 8084]

Obviously omitted "don't" from that last sentence^^^^^^^

[Hank Chinaski 6315]

35 minutes ago, Wulaw Horn said:

i should note- smart people different places on the internet say his quality of context is much better than his results and he should be doing better and is probably just unlucky. 
my thought is if the ball is dead he needs to up his vitamin S regime to counteract that. 

Yeah, his xwOBA is currently at .360, his actual wOBA is .319, so he’s -.041 (his SLG% is -.078 compared to his expected SLG%). And it’s not only that, but in each of his ‘18-‘19 seasons, his actual wOBA was far higher than his xwOBA (+.027 and +.045). He’s hitting the ball as hard as he ever has, as consistently as he ever has. The results just aren’t there.

Between the large negative gap between is xSLG% and actual SLG% and an exceptionally low BABIP of .228, I’d still expect the results to come. I think I’ve read that the expected stats may be in need of some adjustment with the weird balls this season, so maybe that’s part of it, I don’t really know.

I also remember writing in early 2018 that I expected Bregman to be a good player, occasional All-Star type, but not an MVP type of guy. Then 2018-2019 happened and I felt like a dumbass. I’m not saying I’m not a dumbass (many people could make a compelling case that I absolutely am), but I expect that those two seasons to probably be his best over his career. And that’s fine, those were 8-win seasons; I just think (a) 8-win seasons are only consistently posted by surefire HOFers, and (b) he’s probably more of a 4-5 win player. Which is great, and something we all would like to see in 2022. 

[Gut Wagon 8084]

10 minutes ago, Hank Chinaski said:

Yeah, his xwOBA is currently at .360, his actual wOBA is .319, so he’s -.041 (his SLG% is -.078 compared to his expected SLG%). And it’s not only that, but in each of his ‘18-‘19 seasons, his actual wOBA was far higher than his xwOBA (+.027 and +.045). He’s hitting the ball as hard as he ever has, as consistently as he ever has. The results just aren’t there.

Between the large negative gap between is xSLG% and actual SLG% and an exceptionally low BABIP of .228, I’d still expect the results to come. I think I’ve read that the expected stats may be in need of some adjustment with the weird balls this season, so maybe that’s part of it, I don’t really know.

I also remember writing in early 2018 that I expected Bregman to be a good player, occasional All-Star type, but not an MVP type of guy. Then 2018-2019 happened and I felt like a dumbass. I’m not saying I’m not a dumbass (many people could make a compelling case that I absolutely am), but I expect that those two seasons to probably be his best over his career. And that’s fine, those were 8-win seasons; I just think (a) 8-win seasons are only consistently posted by surefire HOFers, and (b) he’s probably more of a 4-5 win player. Which is great, and something we all would like to see in 2022. 

Great perspective. I sure hope he's just "due."

Are teams pitching/shifting Bregman much differently now than when he had better numbers? 

[Hank Chinaski 6315]

6 minutes ago, Gut Wagon said:

Great perspective. I sure hope he's just "due."

Are teams pitching/shifting Bregman much differently now than when he had better numbers? 

Not sure. Going just by the Statcast info, he’s seeing slightly fewer fastballs, but not by a large margin. Don’t know about location, sequencing, etc.

 

[Guest]

great day for a 3:10 start...

LFG!!!

[Wulaw Horn 19140]

Free tickets for Sunday- anyone want them?  Shoot me a PM. 

[tx 3 putt 77242]

3 hours ago, Bevo&Pevo said:

It wasn't any better in person.  We just thought it was sucky inside, when we got to the wife's SUV someone broke in.

where’d you park ?

[tx 3 putt 77242]

2 hours ago, Wulaw Horn said:

I’m retrospect with how It’s all played out it would have worked best to pay Carlos all his money plus Bergmans for the next 2.5 years and roll with Peña at 3rd. Carlos got the OPS up into the 800’s and is now higher than Penas and much higher than Bergmans. 
I wanted Carlos back. Peña has been a lot better than I thought he’d be (this is all a quiz the real test is the post season) but damn it man, Bregman is just not a solution to anything on this team and he’s verging on becoming a problem. 
i should note- smart people different places on the internet say his quality of context is much better than his results and he should be doing better and is probably just unlucky. 
my thought is if the ball is dead he needs to up his vitamin S regime to counteract that. 

has Peña ever played 3rd ?

bregman is much cheaper than Correa, similar ceilings 

Edited June 11, 2022 by tx 3 putt

[Wulaw Horn 19140]

12 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

has Peña ever played 3rd ?

bregman is much cheaper than Correa, similar ceilings 

Bregman makes 30 million the next two seasons. That’s not hardly any cheaper. 
If you can play SS you can play anywhere in the If well. 

[tx 3 putt 77242]

[Hank Chinaski 6315]

The good news is that Bregman is still elite in terms of plate discipline - K%, BB%, chase %, etc. That sets his production floor pretty high (I think we’re seeing it right now). His contact quality is still reasonably fine (it never was elite). That BABIP will come up. 

Edited June 11, 2022 by Hank Chinaski

[TonyTexas 10519]

24 minutes ago, Wulaw Horn said:

Bregman makes 30 million the next two seasons. That’s not hardly any cheaper. 
If you can play SS you can play anywhere in the If well. 

I’m not sure that Peña has the over-the-top arm strength to be great at 3rd. 

[tx 3 putt 77242]

12 minutes ago, Hank Chinaski said:

The good news is that Bregman is still elite in terms of plate discipline - K%, BB%, chase %, etc. That sets his production floor pretty high (I think we’re seeing it right now). His contact quality is still reasonably fine (it never was elite). That BABIP will come up. 

crazy talk !!!!

read the thread, he’s washed up and done !!!

[henrygandorf 29194]

4 hours ago, Wulaw Horn said:

I’m retrospect with how It’s all played out it would have worked best to pay Carlos all his money plus Bergmans for the next 2.5 years and roll with Peña at 3rd. 

i understand what you're saying, but it's tough to throw out something that was and is a total non-option.

[kevwun 15811]

Pena has enough arm for 3rd.  Wulaw is right that if you can play short, you can play 3rd.  It doesn't necessarily work the other way, but it does for moving from short.  Bregman is popping up too much.  Not warning track fly balls either.  Lazy, middle of the outfield popups.  He's swinging under the ball too often.

[Wulaw Horn 19140]

47 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

i understand what you're saying, but it's tough to throw out something that was and is a total non-option.

Oh I wasn’t saying it had any chance to work on the real world. Just literally saying “if we could have taken all the pieces we had and rearranged them however we wanted this would have been the best result” toe thing. You are correct- that wasn’t an option on the table in all likelihood. 

[David Dennison 18940]

That weak fly out with the bases loaded last night was brutal.

[henrygandorf 29194]

after a 3-0 count.

[tx 3 putt 77242]

6 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

That weak fly out with the bases loaded last night was brutal.

Horrible 

[Murfdogg21 4413]

It would be nice to find some catchers who would bring us out of the worst batting average of all team’s catcher position in MLB history.