The NBA Finals- Warriors vs Cavs

[d2o 1602]

1 hour ago, MoJames said:

It will be interesting to see if we can spot the exact point where Lebron decides he is leaving the Cavs this time around.

weren't we supposed to be looking for that in this past round?

[MoJames 8244]

1 minute ago, d2o said:

weren't we supposed to be looking for that in this past round?

Oh were we supposed to watch the Eastern Conference Finals?

[Vic Mackey 47012]

[Orca of Peace 109]

what is to stop GS from winning 2018, 2019 and 2020 Finals?  Seriously. 

[Mole 4330]

They were just down double digits at the half in two straight elimination games.

[Patrick Bateman 3911]

1 hour ago, Orca of Peace said:

what is to stop GS from winning 2018, 2019 and 2020 Finals?  Seriously. 

Time, health.... and cap room.  They're already showing signs of slowing down.  Iggy isn't what he was and had his worst season in his tenure (although a good playoffs) and still has 2 years at 33 million.  Livingston had his worst season as a Warrior and has turned into a defensive liability.  Draymond had his worst season and playoffs thus far during their 4 year run.  Klay's extension while still a value, will increase his percentage of the cap.  They came within an hamstring of being eliminated and Steph's been hurt during the stretch or playoffs for 2 out of the last 3 years.  Where will the talent infusion come from???  Bell looks like a keeper but probably only a 6/7th man.  You can always sign a good valued stiff like Zaza and an over the hill ring chaser like West (Nene?), but they need competent wings.  Shaggy P ain't the answer.  McCaw ain't the answer. 

They've played a ton of minutes in the last 4 years and younger, hungrier teams are coming.  Boston could be scary for the forseeable future.  If Philly got a Lebron or PG13 they could be a threat although Colangelo may have sunk that ship.  They're still the class of the NBA but the gap got closer this year..... it will get even more narrow next.  I'm going to guess by 2020 they may be at the end of their run unless they did the unthinkable and traded someone for younger talent.... I wouldn't be shocked if they have an injury next year and don't win it all although they'd still be my bet before Free Agency.

[Michael Knight 12977]

Oops

 

 

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[52-80 19147]

4 hours ago, Orca of Peace said:

what is to stop GS from winning 2018, 2019 and 2020 Finals?  Seriously. 

brad phteven

[longhrnfan 61]

15 hours ago, d2o said:

weren't we supposed to be looking for that in this past round?

It was during the finals when he decided to leave Miami. 

[longhrnfan 61]

 

9 hours ago, Orca of Peace said:

what is to stop GS from winning 2018, 2019 and 2020 Finals?  Seriously. 

Lebron to the Rockets. 

[d2o 1602]

16 minutes ago, longhrnfan said:

It was during the finals when he decided to leave Miami. 

was it really?

[longhrnfan 61]

6 minutes ago, d2o said:

was it really?

I'm sure it was before,  but you SAW it in his play during the finals. At least thats what I saw. 

Edited May 30, 2018 by longhrnfan

[Bogeywon 2519]

GS in 5.  there is going to be one game that bron does bron things and wins

[d2o 1602]

7 minutes ago, longhrnfan said:

I'm sure it was before,  but you SAW it in his play during the finals. At least thats what I saw. 

Not really knocking you but some of you guys see some interesting things.  Throughout that series it was seen by most that he was playing basically by himself.   He avg'd 28/8/4, led the team in pts, rebs, asts, stls.   Shot 57% from the field and 52% from 3 but somehow he was "checked out"

[Dutchrudder 11135]

Cavs in 7. F the haters!

[52-80 19147]

Lebron in game 7s:  6-2

The 2 losses were the first 2 games.

Since then:  6-0, avg 34+ pt and 11 rb

[longhrnfan 61]

32 minutes ago, d2o said:

Not really knocking you but some of you guys see some interesting things.  Throughout that series it was seen by most that he was playing basically by himself.   He avg'd 28/8/4, led the team in pts, rebs, asts, stls.   Shot 57% from the field and 52% from 3 but somehow he was "checked out"

I'm just basing it on what I saw. Stats were clearly there, but when you compare Lebron as of late, to Lebron then... he was a different player. No killer instinct in that series whatsoever compared to prior finals. Settled for jumpers when driving would have been the superior choice. I follow the heat closely given I live in Miami (although I'm a Spurs fan before all else), so I may have some bias I suppose. Totally subjective thing - I know the stats said he played well. 

[d2o 1602]

1 minute ago, longhrnfan said:

I'm just basing it on what I saw. Stats were clearly there, but when you compare Lebron as of late, to Lebron then... he was a different player. No killer instinct in that series whatsoever compared to prior finals. Settled for jumpers when driving would have been the superior choice. I follow the heat closely given I live in Miami (although I'm a Spurs fan before all else), so I may have some bias I suppose. Totally subjective thing - I know the stats said he played well. 

I hear ya and I wasn't attacking you FTR.      Its just interesting how we all can look at the same things and see them differently.

[longhrnfan 61]

27 minutes ago, d2o said:

I hear ya and I wasn't attacking you FTR.      Its just interesting how we all can look at the same things and see them differently.

Agreed. Didn't take it that way at all. Thats why we are here after all, to discuss. 

Back to the matter at hand... 

While I think the Warriors are going to stomp the Cavs, if Lebron plays out of his mind and can single-handedly pull this off... all the folks that still maintain MJ as the greatest are going to have to come around. True or False?  

[d2o 1602]

2 minutes ago, longhrnfan said:

Agreed. Didn't take it that way at all. Thats why we are here after all, to discuss. 

Back to the matter at hand... 

While I think the Warriors are going to stomp the Cavs, if Lebron plays out of his mind and can single-handedly pull this off... all the folks that still maintain MJ as the greatest are going to have to come around. True or False?  

Should?  Yes.   Will?  Probably not.   He would be 4-5, blah blah blah............

Edited May 30, 2018 by d2o

[immortal13 4059]

6-0 > 4-5

I know math is hard

[aggie08 21492]

11 minutes ago, immortal13 said:

6-0 > 4-5

I know math is hard

At least make the argument correctly. It would be 6-5 > 4-11. 6 titles in 11 seasons is better than 4 in 15. It's still an argument that heavily favors MJ, but at least it's intellectually honest.

Though I am being nice and not including the Wizard years, the lost season to an ankle injury, and the mid-season comeback year.

[immortal13 4059]

13 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

At least make the argument correctly. It would be 6-5 > 4-11. 6 titles in 11 seasons is better than 4 in 15. It's still an argument that heavily favors MJ, but at least it's intellectually honest.

Though I am being nice and not including the Wizard years, the lost season to an ankle injury, and the mid-season comeback year.

I thought the numbers were reflecting Finals record. There was no attempt at dishonesty

[aggie08 21492]

C'mon man, you have to realize by now how flawed using Finals' record is. There should be considerably more shame in losing in the 1st round than the Finals. Finals appearances aren't something to knock someone on.

If you want to argue that LeBron's Finals appearances are inflated because of the shittastic East (accurate), go for it.

If you want to argue more total title wins, MJ obviously wins that one. 

If you want to argue that, once MJ took control of the league, he never gave it back or lost again (except to Shaq and Penny, which doesn't count for some reason), then that's a good argument.

But raw Finals' win % isn't close to the be-all-end-all.

Edited May 30, 2018 by aggie08

[immortal13 4059]

At the end of the day, the Finals are all that fucking matter, bro. Yes Lebron has stayed in the East, where it has been much easier to make it to the Finals, year in year out. And then when he gets there, his record is poor. When Jordan made to the Finals, he never lost. And furthermore when he did, he always showed up each and every game, winning the Finals mvp all 6 times. This is the basis of my argument and the reason why Lebron will never achieve what Jordan did. He can't erase all of the losses, nor his personal performance in some of those Finals. LBJ fanboys always try to create scenarios where somehow Lebron will be better than Jordan was. The problem is that history can't be erased. 

[bularry1 23]

12 minutes ago, immortal13 said:

At the end of the day, the Finals are all that fucking matter, bro. Yes Lebron has stayed in the East, where it has been much easier to make it to the Finals, year in year out. And then when he gets there, his record is poor. When Jordan made to the Finals, he never lost. And furthermore when he did, he always showed up each and every game, winning the Finals mvp all 6 times. This is the basis of my argument and the reason why Lebron will never achieve what Jordan did. He can't erase all of the losses, nor his personal performance in some of those Finals. LBJ fanboys always try to create scenarios where somehow Lebron will be better than Jordan was. The problem is that history can't be erased. 

serious question, as I don't remember, but were the Bulls underdogs in any finals?  I know their first was against an aged and injury depleted Lakers squad.  I remember them beating Utah and Portland in series, two teams that didn't win a title in that era.  They beat Utah twice, right?  One game I know they won by 50 points. They beat Phoenix once, I think, Barkley's best team.  and I googled and their other title came against Seattle.   so they didn't beat any team that had any championship pedigree except the Lakers, and that team was done until the Kobe years.

[Mole 4330]

Had the Bulls beat the Pistons in 1990 and then lost to the Blazers, would Jordan's career be more or less impressive?

[d2o 1602]

45 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

C'mon man, you have to realize by now how flawed using Finals' record is. There should be considerably more shame in losing in the 1st round than the Finals. Finals appearances aren't something to knock someone on.

If you want to argue that LeBron's Finals appearances are inflated because of the shittastic East (accurate), go for it.

If you want to argue more total title wins, MJ obviously wins that one. 

If you want to argue that, once MJ took control of the league, he never gave it back or lost again (except up Shaq and Penny, which doesn't count for some reason), then that's a good argument.

But raw Finals' win % isn't close to the be-all-end-all.

Please dont feed the troll.

[d2o 1602]

7 minutes ago, bularry1 said:

serious question, as I don't remember, but were the Bulls underdogs in any finals?  I know their first was against an aged and injury depleted Lakers squad.  I remember them beating Utah and Portland in series, two teams that didn't win a title in that era.  They beat Utah twice, right?  One game I know they won by 50 points. They beat Phoenix once, I think, Barkley's best team.  and I googled and their other title came against Seattle.   so they didn't beat any team that had any championship pedigree except the Lakers, and that team was done until the Kobe years.

No

[immortal13 4059]

Fuck off, d20. Keep sucking lebron's dick 

[Rockethorn1978 6072]

I got the Warriors in 6.

Game 1- Warriors by 12

Game 2- Warriors by 15

Game 3- Lebron goes off Cavs by 5

Game 4- Warriors play like shit and act like they don't care Cavs by 2

Game 5- Warriors by 20

Game 6- warriors by 15

[chainsaw 9859]

Warriors in 4.

[Machinator 32099]

Iggy is out for Game 1.

[krevo 142]

On 5/29/2018 at 2:22 AM, Get ln My Van said:

Harden played lackadaisical in the 4th. Shame.

He's done this in the past when he realized the game was over.   He's a pussy.

[Thatguy 8682]

2 hours ago, immortal13 said:

Fuck off, d20. Keep sucking lebron's dick 

   You mad bro? The finals record is dumb, and more people are starting to come around on that everyday. There should be no shame in making it to the finals, or losing to loaded squads as long as you did what you were supposed to do.

  

2 hours ago, bularry1 said:

serious question, as I don't remember, but were the Bulls underdogs in any finals?  I know their first was against an aged and injury depleted Lakers squad.  I remember them beating Utah and Portland in series, two teams that didn't win a title in that era.  They beat Utah twice, right?  One game I know they won by 50 points. They beat Phoenix once, I think, Barkley's best team.  and I googled and their other title came against Seattle.   so they didn't beat any team that had any championship pedigree except the Lakers, and that team was done until the Kobe years.

  1998 was the only year, and lord only knows why. They were better than that Jazz squad. All the other years they were big favs, and history shows that they were a better team player for player than everyone they faced in that era.

[ernest_t_bass 1196]

3 hours ago, immortal13 said:

LBJ fanboys always try to create scenarios where somehow Lebron will be better than Jordan was.

I'm MJ through and through.  But this is very easily reversed.

[d2o 1602]

11 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

   You mad bro? The finals record is dumb, and more people are starting to come around on that everyday. There should be no shame in making it to the finals, or losing to loaded squads as long as you did what you were supposed to do.

  

  1998 was the only year, and lord only knows why. They were better than that Jazz squad. All the other years they were big favs, and history shows that they were a better team player for player than everyone they faced in that era.

The fact that he is obsessed with LBJ's dick is quite telling.    NTTIAWWT

 

 

Jazz won like 60 gms or so and the Bulls were viewed kinda like GS has been this yr as being complacent during the reg season.  Despite winning 60+ gms too.

Edited May 30, 2018 by d2o

[immortal13 4059]

52 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

   You mad bro? The finals record is dumb, and more people are starting to come around on that everyday. There should be no shame in making it to the finals, or losing to loaded squads as long as you did what you were supposed to do.

  

  1998 was the only year, and lord only knows why. They were better than that Jazz squad. All the other years they were big favs, and history shows that they were a better team player for player than everyone they faced in that era.

Finals record is dumb? Lmao bro 

[ernest_t_bass 1196]

You're very passionate about this, immortal 

[Thatguy 8682]

17 minutes ago, immortal13 said:

Finals record is dumb? Lmao bro 

  It is man. There are players that never won that are better than players who won. It's a team award, and a lot of it comes down to luck. For example, Had Jordan been born 5 years earlier he may have never made a finals. Then he would've had to go through a full strength Celtics or Kareem present Lakers squad. He got lucky in that he came along at the tail end of their heyday and outlasted them.

[immortal13 4059]

Sorry bro, but you and I both know that you are only saying that because you want to prop up you Lebron GOAT narrative. Finals are the ONLY thing that matter. Ask any player and that's what they will tell you, so it really doesn't make much difference what your opinion is. Jordan's scoring per season record will also never be broken by LJ. Jordan is the GOAT, period. Will he always be? Who knows, but it won't be Lebron James that takes the crown.

[Buckals 0]

1 hour ago, immortal13 said:

Sorry bro, but you and I both know that you are only saying that because you want to prop up you Lebron GOAT narrative. Finals are the ONLY thing that matter. Ask any player and that's what they will tell you, so it really doesn't make much difference what your opinion is. Jordan's scoring per season record will also never be broken by LJ. Jordan is the GOAT, period. Will he always be? Who knows, but it won't be Lebron James that takes the crown.

You're not so smart.* Appreciate LeBron's greatness. The league has never seen as good of an all around player.**

                 *I will supply no facts to support this 

                 **Or this 

[Rockethorn1978 6072]

So when Lebron beats the raptors or any east shitty team he is the GOAT then when he loses in the finals everyone wants to act like he has no one on his team? He had D-wade and Bosh when no one had anything resembling a "super team". He basically ran Kyrie off and his coach off to get Lue in and then gets half his team traded for "youth" and then when he gets beats again in the finals everyone will say "finals record doesn't matter". lulzz. 

[TexasMan 10891]

This is just... ugh

 

 

[BigOrange1 6433]

wtf???

[conVINCEd 21469]

If this series goes more than 5 games, James should be Finals MVP.

[immortal13 4059]

36 minutes ago, Buckals said:

You're not so smart.* Appreciate LeBron's greatness. The league has never seen as good of an all around player.**

                 *I will supply no facts to support this 

                 **Or this 

Jordan was a great defender as well as the most prolific scorer in the history of the Association. Nice try tho

[WJC88 97]

35 minutes ago, conVINCEd said:

If this series goes more than 5 games, James should be Finals MVP.

If it gets to 5 games he should win it. 

 

[immortal13 4059]

1 hour ago, Rockethorn1978 said:

So when Lebron beats the raptors or any east shitty team he is the GOAT then when he loses in the finals everyone wants to act like he has no one on his team? He had D-wade and Bosh when no one had anything resembling a "super team". He basically ran Kyrie off and his coach off to get Lue in and then gets half his team traded for "youth" and then when he gets beats again in the finals everyone will say "finals record doesn't matter". lulzz. 

Exactly

[Goo Punch 4275]

This over-the-top fellating of LeBron is so peculiar to me. After Game 1 Of the ECF the reaction here was, “Wow, holy shit, the Celtics might actually be able to compete in this series. Now it’s only one game, and we don’t want to jump the gun, but man, the Celtics look competitive! This could be a series!”

 

No, I’m not wrong. That happened. Don’t act like you don’t remember it, that happened. How about before the series even started?

 

“Cavs in 5, but probably Cavs in 4.”

- Literally 80% Of the people here

 

Seriously, 4/5 people here who predicted the series outcome said Cavs in 4 or 5.

Once again, AM I WRONG? No, I’m not. Everyone here thought the Cavs were going trounce the Celtics, and then when they narrowly escape losing the damn thing you guys all jizz yourselves every day just thinking about LeBron.

Seriously, the hot take fever here is stupid, it’s 100% mob mentality. I understand that this sentiment is sweeping the nation, but I can’t speak for them- they weren’t in here two weeks ago posting about how Cleveland was going to sweep the Celtics. You guys were. But now you want to crown LeBron the King of all Athletes of all time, and proclaim that simply winning that series which you all had him as an overwhelming favorite to win was, “the greatest accomplishment in LeBron’s career.” Yes, that was said here and nobody disagreed with it. 

LeBron is probably the best basketball player ever; he might even be the GOAT; it’s certainly debatable. But this site’s flip-flopping, hot-taking garbage is a runaway train that needs to be derailed. I don’t hate LeBron, and you can’t say otherwise. But you also can’t change the facts. This reaction is mass hysteria, and a bunch of y’all are caught up in it. 

Edited May 31, 2018 by Goo Punch