2022 San Antonio Spurs Offseason Thread -- We're Young, Scrappy, and Hungry

[Amos Moses 795]

San Antonio Spurs acquire Danilo Gallinari, three first-round picks and a future pick swap

The only thing keeping this from being an outright F for the Spurs is they will seemingly sink so far in the standings to possess a 14-or-so percent chance to land the No. 1 pick in 2023 and select Wembanyama. If they end up tanking their way to that lottery luck, then this is a much more favorable trade and grade. Not familiar with Wembanyama? Think if Rudy Gobert as a prospect had guard skills instead of hoping screen assists becomes an accepted statistic. (It hasn’t).

San Antonio is clearly transitioning to a rebuild. The Spurs did it at the trade deadline when they unloaded Thaddeus Young to Toronto and Derrick Whiteto Boston for first-round picks in this year’s draft. Murray is the last remnants of an All-Star-caliber player on this team. He made the West pool of players for the All-Star Game this past season and had a legitimately good, historic season statistically. But the Spurs are not interested in competing with their current group of players. Instead, they’d rather hope some lottery balls fall in their favor when we get to May of 2023.

The picks are helpful in building out that treasure chest of assets. They’re getting the Charlotte pick for 2023, which should be somewhere in the mid-to-late teens in the first round. It’s worth noting the Hornets’ pick was top-16 protected for the Hawks. It’s top-14 protected in 2024 and 2025; otherwise, it becomes two second-round picks. They’re also receiving Atlanta’s picks in 2025 and 2027, unprotected, along with a pick swap in 2026. They have to hope they end up with Wembanyama and the Hawks end up falling apart or imploding by then. Otherwise, you’re just looking at picks somewhere in the 20s or late teens at best.

Gallinari gives them nothing. He barely gave the Hawks much substance consistently. They’ll likely move him before the next deadline if they don’t decide to release him and let him find a team on his own.

Grade: D-

https://theathletic.com/3391203/2022/06/29/dejounte-murray-trade-grade-spurs-hawks/?source=user_shared_article

[LTtxfan 49,181]

Dejounte Murray

• 2016 / Round: 1 / Pick: 29th overall
• Turns A26 in Sept 

Guess Spurs are banking on at least one of their new three 1st Rd picks just acquired being equal/better value going forward than keeping DMurray.  Tank mode is underway -- not sure why the fuck they didn't do this earlier after Kawhi left !!!

• 2023 Hornets 1st Rd pick(protected 1-16)
• 2025 Hawks 1st Rd pick (unprotected)
• 2027 Hawks 1st Rd pick (unprotected)

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Really disappointed that this was the best deal that the Spurs could get for DMurray...

smdh  🤬

[Patrick Bateman 3,912]

So..... Mo Bamba anyone in UFA????

I'd like to sign him to something mid tier and see if he can put it together as a bench big.

 

[EvilCaseMcCoy 691]

I mean at this rate, they could sign 5 or so of us guys.  Pretty sure we could lose every game if they want.

[chainsaw 9,866]

34 minutes ago, EvilCaseMcCoy said:

I mean at this rate, they could sign 5 or so of us guys.  Pretty sure we could lose every game if they want.

[Radical Larry 28,588]

So..... Mo Bamba anyone in UFA????
I'd like to sign him to something mid tier and see if he can put it together as a bench big.
 

Sure, why not? If we’re moving Poeltl, we could use him.

[Patrick Bateman 3,912]

9 minutes ago, Radical Larry said:

Sure, why not? If we’re moving Poeltl, we could use him.

Exactly.... or over Londale.  Resurrect his career in the state he went to college in.  C'mon Mo, that's the narrative you want in two years as a free agent.

 

[Michael Knight 12,977]

Supposedly this is all Rich Pauls fault because Murray didn't want to sign an extension with San Antonio and they knew they would lose him

[C-Man 27,219]

Supposedly this is all Rich Pauls fault because Murray didn't want to sign an extension with San Antonio and they knew they would lose him

Yeah, just read the same thing.

[Patrick Bateman 3,912]

34 minutes ago, Michael Knight said:

Supposedly this is all Rich Pauls fault because Murray didn't want to sign an extension with San Antonio and they knew they would lose him

Not exactly.  He could extend next summer but said he wasn't going to because he'd be due for a bigger extension coming out of his contract year.  The Spurs asked about extending now or next summer and were told he wasn't going to, therefore there's more risk for the franchise and the player.  If the player blows out his knee in calamity then his contract won't max out but if the franchise doesn't do a good job of convincing the player they're on the right path, then they could lose them...... I haven't read or heard anything where Rich Paul was killing a partnership between Murray and the Spurs, just playing the hand he had.  Frankly, if I'm in his spot with Murray, I don't advise him to sign an extension next year either unless major injury, suspension looming, or a huge drop off in play.

 

[LTtxfan 49,181]

ESPN Analyst Reveals Dejounte Murray's Contract Plan Before Spurs-Hawks Trade

Zach Dimmitt - 1h ago

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Murray was set to become a unrestricted free agent in 2024, leaving room to wonder if his intentions to re-sign or not led to Wednesday's blockbuster trade

© Provided by Inside The Spurs on FanNationESPN Analyst Reveals Dejounte Murray's Contract Plan Before Spurs-Hawks Trade

Almost exactly 24 hours before the official start of free agency, a franchise-altering move by the San Antonio Spurs shook the NBA Wednesday evening when the franchise traded All-Star guard Dejounte Murray to the Atlanta Hawks in return for a haul of future draft stock and 33-year-old forward Danilo Gallinari, according to multiple reports. 

 

The trade sends San Antonio and Atlanta in two completely different directions when looking at next season and beyond. The Spurs, who now acquire three future first-round picks and a first-round pick swap, are officially in a full rebuild. The Hawks' newest backcourt of Murray and fellow All-Star Trae Young can put the team back in contention for an Eastern Conference Finals berth after Young led Atlanta just two games short of the NBA Finals in 2021. 

Despite the Spurs having room to grow after a 34-48 season and with a centerpiece of Murray, one of the league's brightest young all-around stars, the trade leaves room to wonder if the Spurs knew that keeping the 25-year-old past the end of his four-year, $64 million deal in the summer of 2024 just wasn't a possibility. 

ESPN insider Brian Windhorst touched on this speculation on The Hoop Collective podcast following the blockbuster trade late Wednesday afternoon. Murray and the Spurs could've tied the knot on a potential contract extension as soon as this summer, but he and his agency, Klutch Sports, relayed a different intent.

"He and his agent, Rich Paul, made it known that he was not going to extend his contract with the Spurs this summer," Windhorst said on the podcast.

Even if an extension didn't get done before this upcoming season, the Spurs would've had a full year to discuss options on extending Murray before his inevitable fall into the open market as an unrestricted free agent in 2024. San Antonio and general manager Brian Wright clearly wanted to avoid that situation altogether and opted to trade Murray now for what could be his highest possible value. 

"And that wasn't really necessarily about the Spurs," Windhorst said. "His contract is about $16 million on average. When you extend your contract, you're limited into how much of a raise you can get. And it would've been probably below his market value as a 25-year-old All-Star. But he pretty much told them, he's like, 'I'm probably not going to extend next summer either.'"

Murray's competitive fire and clear intention on winning was always one of the most forefront and respectable character traits for the Seattle native during his time with the Spurs. As has become a common trend in sports, forcing ones way out of a losing situation in order to find a winning one is an available option, one that Murray could've utilized with future mediocrity written all over the wall in San Antonio. 

Still, no reports have ever been made of Murray asking the Spurs for a trade at any time. If anything, he's always been vocal about his love for the city of San Antonio, the fans, and everything in between. But ultimately, his unique competitiveness and desire to win while he's in his prime could've played an underlying factor in the trade. 

The Spurs were already likely more than a few seasons away from once again being a playoff contender before Wednesday's events. Murray's reported lack of interest in a contract extension reflects that. No clear path toward championship contention, no extension. And it's hard to blame him.

He never held back his true feelings about what winning meant either. Following the Golden State Warriors' NBA Finals victory on June 16, Murray posted a video to social media with a simple, yet powerful message. Looking back, it could've been a small sign of what was to come based on the polar opposite trajectories he and the Spurs were on.

"I swear this s*** motivation, man," Murray said on Instagram Live. "I gotta win a f***** championship." 

Now, he has his first real shot at a title in a dominant role, as a Murray-Young duo puts the Hawks in conversation for arguably one of the five-best teams in the East.  

Meanwhile, the Spurs are now officially one of the league's bottom-feeders. And who knows? The Murray deal could only be one of many moves by the front office this offseason in an attempt to dive even deeper into the rebuild

 

 

Edited June 30, 2022 by LTtxfan

[Patrick Bateman 3,912]

 

[ztejas 43,419]

John Hollinger

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Let’s start here: It takes giant stones for a team to trade its 25-year-old All-Star for future considerations. Doubly so when that player has one of the league’s most favorable contracts, paying him just $33 million over the next two seasons. Triply so when that team is rebuilding and should be trying to acquire exactly the kind of player it’s sending out.
So, why, exactly, would the San Antonio Spurs agree to trade Dejounte Murray to the Atlanta Hawks on Wednesday in exchange for a lot of draft picks, but essentially no tangible basketball help for the immediate future? (Danilo Gallinari is the only player coming from Atlanta, but his partially guaranteed deal for $21 million — with the guarantee adjusted up to $11 million to make the trade legal — will almost certainly be waived.)

Let’s start with one odd quirk of Murray’s contractual situation: He actually didn’t make enough money for the Spurs to feel secure about keeping him long-term. Because the final year of his deal only paid him $17 million, San Antonio had no chance of signing him to the type of multi-year extension that has become common practice with most All-Star (or even near-All-Star) players when his contract nears expiration in 2024.
Yes, San Antonio had enough cap room to do a “renegotiate-and-extend” deal with Murray, but even this pathway was fraught. It essentially would’ve required the Spurs to commit to a huge payday extending out Murray’s current contract for three more years and front-load the money, too. All this for a player who wasn’t quite good enough to be the centerpiece of a playoff team.
So we ended up in this bizarre place instead, where the Spurs began the 2021-22 season with an elite defensive backcourt of Murray and Derrick White … and roll into 2022 free agency with four future firsts in their place and Doug McDermott as their highest-paid player.
At some level, the Spurs’ situation was the result of a post-Kawhi Leonard rebuild that had been simultaneously too successful and not successful enough. The Spurs made a mistake in not moving on from LaMarcus Aldridge at the same time, but the biggest issue was that they found players like White, Murray and Keldon Johnson with late draft picks and added solid late-lottery talent like Devin Vassell and Jakob Poeltl around them. In doing so, they assured that they wouldn’t be bad enough to have a realistic chance of finishing in the top four in the lottery, yet wouldn’t be good enough to win anything important.

Murray was good, but he wasn’t good enough to change that. The haul the Spurs got from trading him, White, DeMar DeRozan and Thaddeus Young in the past 12 months might be. Of the picks the Spurs received from Atlanta in the Murray trade, three come with the juicy word “unprotected” attached: firsts from Atlanta in 2025 and 2027 and a pick swap in 2026. This is betting on the Hawks to fail, to some extent, which is why San Antonio pushed out the receipt of these picks a few years. The fourth pick, a 2023 lottery-protected first from Charlotte that could turn into two seconds in 2025, isn’t nearly as valuable.
That’s not all the draft equity the Spurs now own. They have a lightly protected 2025 first-rounder from Chicago still headed their way from last summer’s DeRozan sign-and-trade deal and a 2028 pick swap with Boston that is top-one protected from the White trade. San Antonio also just used the 20th and 25th selections in last week’s draft, in addition to its own pick at No. 9, as a result of trading White and Young.
Of course, focusing on all that ignores the elephant in the room. Or rather, l’éléphant. By far the biggest piece of draft equity the Spurs now own is their own first-round pick in 2023, when it just so happens the most prized player in the draft class is French prodigy Victor Wembanyama, who just so happens to play for ASVEL Basket, which just so happens to be owned by former Spurs star Tony Parker.
Even if the Spurs don’t luck into the top pick (the worst three teams only have a 14-percent chance each now; kudos to the league for disincentivizing tanking to the extent it could), San Antonio is virtually guaranteed a top-six pick in a strong draft with this roster. It’s hard to imagine this team being any good in 2022-23. It’s one with about 16 different “interesting” shooting guards — hey, the nice thing about a Josh Richardson/Malaki Branham/Joshua Primo/Blake Wesley/Devin Vassell lineup is that you can still bring Lonnie Walker (should he re-sign) and Romeo Langford off the bench. Meanwhile, without Murray, the best player remaining is … Jakob Poeltl?
San Antonio has max cap room, but why bother using it this year? The Spurs will have the rare “double max” space next summer, potentially allowing them to add two max-contract players. That’s a long shot, but even though the bright lights of Bexar County aren’t exactly a tractor beam for free agents, the Spurs could sign a whole new quintet of 6-foot-5 shooting guards with their estimated $70 million to $75 million in projected cap room. More seriously, they could easily position themselves to sign three starter-caliber players from a strong free-agent class, put those players around their 2023 lottery pick and the three firsts from this year and be on their way back up the standings.
Meanwhile, the Spurs can use their remaining projected $36 million in 2022 cap room not to chase overpays on restricted free agents, but to take in unwanted contracts from other teams looking to trim salary.  Sure, they could use some of it on stopgaps to keep things quasi-respectable — signing Tyus Jones so these kids can learn while playing with a real point guard, for instance — or on “delayed sign-and-trades” for a veteran or two they can then pawn off for a draft pick at midseason. (Speaking of which, keep an eye on Richardson.) But if a team calls looking to dump a contract, San Antonio should be all ears. (One thought: McDermott for Russell Westbrook and Laker firsts in 2027 and 2029.)
That’s a lot of words on a team that isn’t going to be very good this year. What about the other side of this?

Atlanta had two glaring needs from last season. First, literally anybody at all who could defend on the perimeter. Second, another shot creator to reduce the strain on Trae Young. The Hawks got both those things in Murray, and if they overpaid a bit, you can hardly blame them. Murray was one of the few players who could fill this role on a reasonable salary while also offering enough shot-creation upside to allow the Hawks to actually survive in Young’s absence.
The trick is navigating the rest of the roster dance in the wake of this trade. The Hawks are almost out of draft-pick bullets, although they can still likely trade their 2023 first at the trade deadline for an upgrade. They’re also nearly $10 million into the luxury tax after the trade, even if they fill out the roster with minimum contracts. Even so, Atlanta still has a glaring paucity of real wings, particularly if De’Andre Hunter’s knees start acting up again.
Meanwhile, lurking just around the corner is the reality that the Hawks will have the same challenges extending Murray as the Spurs did. They’ll have to hope he likes the pairing with Young well enough to stick around past 2024, even though he’s almost certain to have the rock quite a bit less than he did in San Antonio.

Even so … the Hawks had do to this, right? They painted themselves into a corner with some previous roster decisions and this was an expensive way out of it. Atlanta still has to make some other moves to maximize this prime window of the Young-Murray backcourt. While John Collins rumors are all the rage, one has to think Kevin Huerter and Bogdan Bogdanović are extremely in play now too; between the two All-Star guards and rookie sharpshooter AJ Griffin, minutes for supplemental backcourt players like them suddenly seem scarce.
That said, despite the divergent strategic choices represented by this trade, there was one common theme: Nobody in the NBA wants to be in the middle for long. This is a league where you either push in your chips to win now or acquire said chips to win later. Atlanta went 43-39 last season and San Antonio went 34-48. Both teams were in the 2022 Play-In Tournament.
Suffice it to say, neither intends to be back in 2023.

 

[Radical Larry 28,588]

[TommysTinyTowels 785]

19 minutes ago, Radical Larry said:

 

Welp, there's our post-pop plan people.

[StruggleBus 3,922]

3 hours ago, Patrick Bateman said:

 

Thanks For All The Good Times Now Excuse Us While We Cry

[TommysTinyTowels 785]

17 hours ago, EvilCaseMcCoy said:

I mean at this rate, they could sign 5 or so of us guys.  Pretty sure we could lose every game if they want.

Yeah, I was thinking of going for the first all white/asian team in the last 40 years to assure our place in line.

Much as I hate where we are today the plan going forwards HAS to be swinging for the fences by losing to get the French Freak.
That seems the only decent chance of getting out of this hole.  And by decent I mean competing with 7-8 other teams to be one of
the suckiest 3 teams, each of which will still only have a 14% chance of the top pick. Aaaaand then Wembanyama has to turn out to be the real deal
and stick with us.

[Irieguy 1,059]

12 minutes ago, TommysTinyTowels said:

Yeah, I was thinking of going for the first all white/asian team in the last 40 years to assure our place in line.

Much as I hate where we are today the plan going forwards HAS to be swinging for the fences by losing to get the French Freak.
That seems the only decent chance of getting out of this hole.  And by decent I mean competing with 7-8 other teams to be one of
the suckiest 3 teams, each of which will still only have a 14% chance of the top pick. Aaaaand then Wembanyama has to turn out to be the real deal
and stick with us.

Scoot Henderson is an awesome consolation prize. Plus who knows who else might emerge. 

[C-Man 27,219]

[chainsaw 9,866]

21 minutes ago, TommysTinyTowels said:

Yeah, I was thinking of going for the first all white/asian team in the last 40 years to assure our place in line.

Much as I hate where we are today the plan going forwards HAS to be swinging for the fences by losing to get the French Freak.
That seems the only decent chance of getting out of this hole.  And by decent I mean competing with 7-8 other teams to be one of
the suckiest 3 teams, each of which will still only have a 14% chance of the top pick. Aaaaand then Wembanyama has to turn out to be the real deal
and stick with us.

Bonus is they'll get real creative with cheap ticket promotions

[TommysTinyTowels 785]

46 minutes ago, C-Man said:

I could absolutely believe this to be true, hell I do think it's true, but that deal was the best you could get for a 25 year old All Star?

Are we so focused on tanking that we don't care if we don't get any value for our trade assets?

[Radical Larry 28,588]

17 hours ago, Patrick Bateman said:

Exactly.... or over Londale.  Resurrect his career in the state he went to college in.  C'mon Mo, that's the narrative you want in two years as a free agent.

 

Well, we definitely should look into signing him now. Landale was included in the trade. 
 

 

[SilasCoade 2,622]

Why did they throw in Landale? Really thought he was a chance to be a contributor as a stretch 4-5 guy. 

[Mitch Cumsteen 18,548]

2 hours ago, Radical Larry said:

 

First off... very excited about Brett Brown's return. If anybody knows how to tank, it's that motherfucker. He's the Vince Lombardi of tanking. 47-199 in his first three years in Philly. Timing could not be better for his return.

1 hour ago, C-Man said:

I was listening to AD on NBA radio and he doesn't know what the fuck he is talking about. The "facts" that matter is that DJ wasn't going to renegotiate his contract this year or even before next. He did not say he wanted out. He just said he wouldn't re-sign for the time being, which is honestly just good business on his part.

All that said... let's look to the future, which at least now has a defined path going forward. The great philosopher Manero once stated that a girl had to decide early whether she was going to be a nice girl or a cunt, you can't be both. The Spurs were trying to be both. We now know that we are indeed cunts. So let's own it.

The path forward:

1. The Spurs need to be bailing out teams for every possible dogshit contract that they want to dump as long as it comes attached with draft picks. Give me your Tobias Harris, your Gordon Hayward, your Kristaps Porzingis, your *holds nose* Russell Westbrook, your DeAngelo Russell, your Mike Conley, etc. Spurs were in a great cap space before trading DJ and he was their highest paid player. They should be number one on every team's speed dial to facilitate deals. In the best case scenario, they get picks for bringing them on and then deal their expiring contracts to playoff contenders at the deadline for more picks. This is the way.

2. People are poo poo-ing the unprotected Hawks picks like the Spurs got fleeced, but I don't see how they are still anything but a lower tier Eastern Conference team. How much does DJ really move the needle for them? I keep hearing what a great fit he is because his skills are so complementary to Trae Young's, but it's not like every team is going to stop hunting Trae because DJ is guarding somebody else. Trae Young is still a huge defensive liability who doesn't play winning basketball. Steph Curry, he is not. And DJ is not a great three point shooter, which they need to create space for Young. Good for Atlanta for taking the gamble, but they are pot committed now and don't have many more avenues to build their team, and the clock is ticking. Collins is a bad contract and has already been suspended once for roids.  They have extensions kicking in for Huerter and Young. Capela's got a big number as does Bogdonavic, and then of course they are going to have to pay Dejounte just like the Spurs. And make no mistake, he's going to get paid. DeAndre Hunter is going to come up, too. I just don't know that they are going to be that good. 

3. Get lucky. Win the lottery. Duh. It worked twice before, why not?

4. What to do with Poeltl, McBuckets and Richardson. These guys all have value but not to the Spurs. Poeltl and Richardson are both expiring, but both can also help playoff teams. McDermott -- who is now the highest paid player on the team -- has two more years. All of them can be packaged for the Spurs to get picks back and take on some contracts. They do need some vets though, to show the younger guys how it's done in SA. Patty Mills, anyone? 

[Radical Larry 28,588]

No surprise, but Lonnie’s QO was pulled.

[Patrick Bateman 3,912]

1 hour ago, Mitch Cumsteen said:

First off... very excited about Brett Brown's return. If anybody knows how to tank, it's that motherfucker. He's the Vince Lombardi of tanking. 47-199 in his first three years in Philly. Timing could not be better for his return.

I was listening to AD on NBA radio and he doesn't know what the fuck he is talking about. The "facts" that matter is that DJ wasn't going to renegotiate his contract this year or even before next. He did not say he wanted out. He just said he wouldn't re-sign for the time being, which is honestly just good business on his part.

All that said... let's look to the future, which at least now has a defined path going forward. The great philosopher Manero once stated that a girl had to decide early whether she was going to be a nice girl or a cunt, you can't be both. The Spurs were trying to be both. We now know that we are indeed cunts. So let's own it.

The path forward:

1. The Spurs need to be bailing out teams for every possible dogshit contract that they want to dump as long as it comes attached with draft picks. Give me your Tobias Harris, your Gordon Hayward, your Kristaps Porzingis, your *holds nose* Russell Westbrook, your DeAngelo Russell, your Mike Conley, etc. Spurs were in a great cap space before trading DJ and he was their highest paid player. They should be number one on every team's speed dial to facilitate deals. In the best case scenario, they get picks for bringing them on and then deal their expiring contracts to playoff contenders at the deadline for more picks. This is the way.

2. People are poo poo-ing the unprotected Hawks picks like the Spurs got fleeced, but I don't see how they are still anything but a lower tier Eastern Conference team. How much does DJ really move the needle for them? I keep hearing what a great fit he is because his skills are so complementary to Trae Young's, but it's not like every team is going to stop hunting Trae because DJ is guarding somebody else. Trae Young is still a huge defensive liability who doesn't play winning basketball. Steph Curry, he is not. And DJ is not a great three point shooter, which they need to create space for Young. Good for Atlanta for taking the gamble, but they are pot committed now and don't have many more avenues to build their team, and the clock is ticking. Collins is a bad contract and has already been suspended once for roids.  They have extensions kicking in for Huerter and Young. Capela's got a big number as does Bogdonavic, and then of course they are going to have to pay Dejounte just like the Spurs. And make no mistake, he's going to get paid. DeAndre Hunter is going to come up, too. I just don't know that they are going to be that good. 

3. Get lucky. Win the lottery. Duh. It worked twice before, why not?

4. What to do with Poeltl, McBuckets and Richardson. These guys all have value but not to the Spurs. Poeltl and Richardson are both expiring, but both can also help playoff teams. McDermott -- who is now the highest paid player on the team -- has two more years. All of them can be packaged for the Spurs to get picks back and take on some contracts. They do need some vets though, to show the younger guys how it's done in SA. Patty Mills, anyone? 

1.  Somewhat.  We only want to take on contracts which will help the end goal.  We can be facilitators too, getting into deals and taking bad contracts, who we buy out, for draft capital.  Have to make use of the all the cap room. 

2.  I don't really care.  Good for them.  They're going to move a couple more pieces so I wouldn't worry what they look like now.  But how they do isn't really of concern.

3.  A top 3 pick should garner a very good player.  Look at the Rockets, they were at 3 and may have gotten the best player in the draft.  But yes, #1 in a strong year would be just the thing that keeps the Spurs in SA, NBA..... are you seeing?

4.  You trade them.... maybe together, maybe not.  Maybe before the season, maybe not.  Poeltl could easily garner a late first by himself.  And yea, a couple of vets who are transitioning into coaching would be fine.  All these young guys can't play all the minutes.  Richardson is probably the starting SG if he sticks around.  

Now..... let's go!

[ztejas 43,419]

I always wait to see what Antonio Daniels has to say before deciding how I feel about the latest big Spurs' move. After all - who could be more plugged into the situation than the color commentator for the least valuable franchise in the NBA? I mean he has 25 thousand Twitter followers! I'd also like to know if the Minnesota Timberwolves director of player personnel has any hot info he's dying to share. 

[Mitch Cumsteen 18,548]

22 minutes ago, Radical Larry said:

No surprise, but Lonnie’s QO was pulled.

Well, that's a surprise to me at least. Why give him the QO in the first place?

Between this, the urgency to get the Murray deal done and the inclusion of Landale in it sure as shit seems like they are clearing out cap. They better be taking on somebody's terrible contract and getting more picks. If they did all this to go after Ayton I'm going to first puke and second, become a Bucks fan or some shit.

[C-Man 27,219]

Lonnie Walker signing a one-year, $6.5M deal with the Lakers

[Kermit 3,156]

2 minutes ago, C-Man said:

Lonnie Walker signing a one-year, $6.5M deal with the Lakers

Gross.

[ztejas 43,419]

5 minutes ago, C-Man said:

Lonnie Walker signing a one-year, $6.5M deal with the Lakers

THT wasn't shitty enough I guess. 

Actually - that isn't fair to LW. He's better than that bum. 

Edited June 30, 2022 by ztejas

[TommysTinyTowels 785]

3 hours ago, Mitch Cumsteen said:

1. The Spurs need to be bailing out teams for every possible dogshit contract that they want to dump as long as it comes attached with draft picks. Give me your Tobias Harris, your Gordon Hayward, your Kristaps Porzingis, your *holds nose* Russell Westbrook, your DeAngelo Russell, your Mike Conley, etc. Spurs were in a great cap space before trading DJ and he was their highest paid player.

Sitting here trying to imagine Pop telling Russ we need to lose.

How comical would that be to have Porzingis, Westbrook and Conley on the bench while we roll out Wieskamp and Bates-Diop?

Westbrook's head exploding in 5..4..3..2..

[ztejas 43,419]

5 minutes ago, TommysTinyTowels said:

Sitting here trying to imagine Pop telling Russ we need to lose.

Pop doesn't have to say anything. Russ will take care of it himself.

[Kermit 3,156]

Perhaps this is all a ruse to get KD.

[hornfan785 556]

Let's go, get KD back to Texas.

[ztejas 43,419]

We could have got KD if we didn't ship DJ.

Burn it down. Move the franchise. 

[Patrick Bateman 3,912]

Remember this guy.....

 

[ztejas 43,419]

1 minute ago, Patrick Bateman said:

Remember this guy.....

 

Yes? He's been a rotation player for awhile now. 

[TommysTinyTowels 785]

1 hour ago, hornfan785 said:

Let's go, get KD back to Texas.

Looks like his short list is Miami or Phoenix so he's shopping for a contenda.

Not sure we qualify for that this decade.

[SilasCoade 2,622]

In an alternate history the Spurs wait two days before trading Dejounte, see KD ask for a trade, and go ALL IN. They trade every pick for a decade to the Nets, along with 2 young athletic and versatile wings of their choice, and then sign Ayton and PJ Tucker as free agents. How many titles?

[Michael Knight 12,977]

54 minutes ago, Llogg said:

In an alternate history the Spurs wait two days before trading Dejounte, see KD ask for a trade, and go ALL IN. They trade every pick for a decade to the Nets, along with 2 young athletic and versatile wings of their choice, and then sign Ayton and PJ Tucker as free agents. How many titles?

or maybe trade Dejounte for Durant

[ztejas 43,419]

59 minutes ago, Llogg said:

In an alternate history the Spurs wait two days before trading Dejounte, see KD ask for a trade, and go ALL IN. They trade every pick for a decade to the Nets, along with 2 young athletic and versatile wings of their choice, and then sign Ayton and PJ Tucker as free agents. How many titles?

I would obviously bust a hole in my ceiling with jizz if it happened but unfortunately I just don't see Durant wanting to play here. 

[Patrick Bateman 3,912]

27 minutes ago, Michael Knight said:

or maybe trade Dejounte for Durant

So he could play with Jakob's ladder and Keldon Johnson?  I'm sure he'd be thrilled by that reality.

22 minutes ago, ztejas said:

I would obviously bust a hole in my ceiling with jizz if it happened but unfortunately I just don't see Durant wanting to play here. 

Our best chance was when he was leaving OKC.  He doesn't seem to like small markets..... although Phoenix isn't huge.

 

[C-Man 27,219]

Looks like his short list is Miami or Phoenix so he's shopping for a contenda.
Not sure we qualify for that this decade.

Are you shocked the two teams he’s linked to were the top seeds in Eastern and Western Conferences this past season? It’s kind of his MO.

[ztejas 43,419]

1 minute ago, Patrick Bateman said:

So he could play with Jakob's ladder and Keldon Johnson?  I'm sure he'd be thrilled by that reality.

Our best chance was when he was leaving OKC.  He doesn't seem to like small markets..... although Phoenix isn't huge.

 

Phoenix has Booker and CP. Just not a fair comparison unfortunately. 

[ztejas 43,419]

1 minute ago, C-Man said:

Are you shocked the two teams he’s linked to were the top seeds in Eastern and Western Conferences this past season? It’s kind of his MO.

Hey man... If we could not bring that shit in here I'd appreciate it. 

Phoenix got embarrassed by a largely one man show Mavs team in the WC semis and Miami would have had no shot against GS in the Finals. Durant is going to be 34 years old - he isn't going to go ressurect some project franchise to prove himself to randos on the internet.

I don't ask anyone to like KD and I respect that you aren't a fan of the dude - he was a Spurs killer in his day. I like you as a poster and I love the Spurs. Let's get back to talking about our team. I think the KD stuff is mostly us joking around. 

[Kermit 3,156]

You could give Phoenix prime KD. They ain’t winning shit. It’s the Suns.

[Mitch Cumsteen 18,548]

@Kermit

Bad news. Patty re-signs with Nets for two years.

[ztejas 43,419]

3 minutes ago, Mitch Cumsteen said:

@Kermit

Bad news. Patty re-signs with Nets for two years.

[Braff Zacklin 13,561]

Not the first to express this sentiment, but the more time that passes since 2016, the more I wonder if all the mystique about the "Spurs system/culture" and PATFO was really just the incredible good fortune of having an all-time-yet-egoless great like Tim Duncan to build a franchise around.

I miss that guy so much.

Manu, too. Hell, even Tony. But that's why we have the YouTubez.