Realignment talk not going away

[ImissWallyPryor 9,046]

2 hours ago, Kurt Bowels said:

A school that gets into the G5 playoffs and wins their championship with no more than 2 losses gets a spot in the power 5 national championship playoff.

So, the big boys wait until the little guys finish their playoff just to find out who gets the 8th seed?

I’m in.

[Kurt Bowels 213]

1 minute ago, ImissWallyPryor said:

So, the big boys wait until the little guys finish their playoff just to find out who gets the 8th seed?

I’m in.

Not a hard issue to solve.

G5 starts one or two weeks earlier than the P5 (G5 at the middle to end of August and the P5 on Labor Day)

G5 plays an 8 game conference schedule and two OOC G5 opponents. The 16 playoff seeds are announced. The non playoff teams will be ranked and will play two more games against similar ranked G5 teams (17 vs. 18, etc)

The winner of the G5 championship doesn't get a week off and must face the #1 seed of the P5 the very next week

The p5 already takes too many weeks off. It's been that way for generations. They won't take anymore time off, possibly less time off, with this setup.

[nnm 36,417]

3 hours ago, Aqua Buddha said:

Arky . . .  Their fans drink more SECSECSEC Kool Aid than anyone.

It’s like you’ve never met aggy

[DFW Horn 6,124]

5 hours ago, camel at sea said:

Corn on board + a WVU for Arky trade, and suddenly we're very close to having a viable SECish set-up.  The fans will like those divisions.  There are good TV games across the conference ($).  The conference is culturally and geographically cohesive from a branding standpoint.  

North:  OU, NU, OSU, KSU, ISU, KU
South:  UT, Arky, TTU, TCU, BU, ??

 

UH

Don't over-think it.

[LTtxfan 49,196]

Politics in Texas will not allow Baylor and Texas Tech to be left out of the P5.

Hell, now with tcu back in B12 the toothpaste might be too far out of the tube to leave them out of the P5 as well...

Not sure Okie Lite could be left out of the P5 either.

 

Edited December 24, 2020 by LTtxfan

[closetohumping 17,442]

1 hour ago, Kurt Bowels said:

Not a hard issue to solve.

G5 starts one or two weeks earlier than the P5 (G5 at the middle to end of August and the P5 on Labor Day)

G5 plays an 8 game conference schedule and two OOC G5 opponents. The 16 playoff seeds are announced. The non playoff teams will be ranked and will play two more games against similar ranked G5 teams (17 vs. 18, etc)

The winner of the G5 championship doesn't get a week off and must face the #1 seed of the P5 the very next week

The p5 already takes too many weeks off. It's been that way for generations. They won't take anymore time off, possibly less time off, with this setup.

And how many extra games would the g5 winner have played

[Kurt Bowels 213]

5 minutes ago, closetohumping said:

And how many extra games would the g5 winner have played

Compared to the lower levels of college ball? Not much. That's never been a real issue, IMO, just total BS by the administrations to try and keep a playoff from happening (back in the day)

10 (regular season) + 3 (playoff games) = 13 games for the champion of the G5 before they go onto the P5 playoff

The rest of the G5 not in the playoffs: 10 (regular season) + 2 more games after they are ranked. 

They are getting a seat at the big boy table for the first time in history. It's a step up for them. The winner will have been battle tested and earned the right to play at that point (if 2 losses or less)

Just an idea to spur on some creativity. Something has to give. What is happening right now is not working at all. There is no more parity left in college ball. And the G5 has no chance either. The game isn't exciting anymore. Too many blowouts. Very few competitive games week-to-week.

[Kurt Bowels 213]

^^^can't edit: 10 +4 + 14 games

That's one game more than 12 + 1 CCG the big boys play

[Hagbard Celine 10,867]

6 hours ago, camel at sea said:

If the Corn are available, though, it helps

you may be new here based on your number of posts.

june.

2010.

tom osborne.

[ImissWallyPryor 9,046]

3 hours ago, Kurt Bowels said:

Not a hard issue to solve.

G5 starts one or two weeks earlier than the P5 (G5 at the middle to end of August and the P5 on Labor Day)

G5 plays an 8 game conference schedule and two OOC G5 opponents. The 16 playoff seeds are announced. The non playoff teams will be ranked and will play two more games against similar ranked G5 teams (17 vs. 18, etc)

The winner of the G5 championship doesn't get a week off and must face the #1 seed of the P5 the very next week

The p5 already takes too many weeks off. It's been that way for generations. They won't take anymore time off, possibly less time off, with this setup.

That sounds like a lot of hoops to jump through just to determine the #8 seed. I’m not claiming to have a perfect solution, but there has to be something better than that. Perhaps just take the #1 seed from the lower division and be happy with that. There shouldn’t be more than one (or two or zero) team that could make any arguement that they deserve to be one of the eight. 

[camel at sea 589]

On 12/23/2020 at 4:26 PM, Aqua Buddha said:

Arky would be great but with the new SEC deal coming up, I honestly don't see them leaving.

Although, watching it happen would be glorious.  Their fans drink more SECSECSEC Kool Aid than anyone.

The SEC has a new deal coming up.  The Big 12 will have a new deal after that and it will be a significant per-team raise, too.  Put NU into the Big 12 before Arky has to decide and the gap is not all that wide.  

The next SEC deal will have them making about $65M per.  The Big 12 will be distributing about $45M per at the end of our current deal - a 13 year old media rights deal - and that $45M distribution number doesn't include Tier 3.  (Texas will be making $60M+ on an ancient Big 12 deal+LHN at the same time the SEC leaps forward to $65M per.)  Assuming the Big 12's Tier 1/2 deals improve at a similar clip to the projection of improvement everyone is getting, and is distributing (conservative guess) $55M per from everything but Tier 3, then an Arky move to the Big 12 would mean their media money doesn't change much at all  They could probably make pretty good money on Tier 3.  They have big fan support for football, basketball, and baseball.    

As for the Kool Aid drinking?  There is a large contingent of their fans - especially the ones in NW Arkansas - who constantly bring up how much better off they'd be in the Big 12.  Those fans are right, btw.    

[camel at sea 589]

On 12/23/2020 at 9:35 PM, Hagbard Celine said:

you may be new here based on your number of posts.

june.

2010.

tom osborne.

Nobody involved in that decision still has any decision-making authority.  The media landscape has shifted dramatically.  Both sides would benefit from reuniting.  

[Al_4_ISU 12,464]

16 hours ago, camel at sea said:

The SEC has a new deal coming up.  The Big 12 will have a new deal after that and it will be a significant per-team raise, too.  Put NU into the Big 12 before Arky has to decide and the gap is not all that wide.  

The next SEC deal will have them making about $65M per.  The Big 12 will be distributing about $45M per at the end of our current deal - a 13 year old media rights deal - and that $45M distribution number doesn't include Tier 3.  (Texas will be making $60M+ on an ancient Big 12 deal+LHN at the same time the SEC leaps forward to $65M per.)  Assuming the Big 12's Tier 1/2 deals improve at a similar clip to the projection of improvement everyone is getting, and is distributing (conservative guess) $55M per from everything but Tier 3, then an Arky move to the Big 12 would mean their media money doesn't change much at all  They could probably make pretty good money on Tier 3.  They have big fan support for football, basketball, and baseball.    

As for the Kool Aid drinking?  There is a large contingent of their fans - especially the ones in NW Arkansas - who constantly bring up how much better off they'd be in the Big 12.  Those fans are right, btw.    

Yeah, NW Arkansas is closer to Ames than it is almost their entire current division.

Fayetteville to Ames:  460

Fayetteville to Oxford (only SEC West school closer than ISU):  403

Fayetteville to Starkville:  500

Fayetteville to Baton Rouge:  531

Fayetteville to College Station:  508

Fayetteville to Nashville:  498

Fayetteville to Tuscaloosa:  548

Fayetteville to Auburn:  665

[DCLonghorn 244]

247Sports: Ranking college football's richest, poorest programs (2018 data).

https://247sports.com/LongFormArticle/College-football-richest-poorest-programs-Alabama-Crimson-Tide-Texas-Longhorns-Ohio-State-Buckeyes-157982941/

Power Five NCAA conferences generated more than $2.9 billion in combined revenue for the 2019 fiscal year. The Big Ten Conference reported more than $780 million in revenue, the most of any conference, with the SEC second at just shy of $721 million.

The Pac-12 was third on the list at $530.4 million, followed by the ACC ($455.4 million) and then the Big 12 ($439 million). The Pac-12's reported revenue does not take into account the equity value of the Pac-12 Networks, per the report.

[tonedeaf 56]

On 12/23/2020 at 8:58 PM, LTtxfan said:

Politics in Texas will not allow Baylor and Texas Tech to be left out of the P5.

Hell, now with tcu back in B12 the toothpaste might be too far out of the tube to leave them out of the P5 as well...

Not sure Okie Lite could be left out of the P5 either.

 

It's not up to Texas politics to decide who is P5 and who is not.  They let aggy leave.  Baylor is the world's largest baptist school.  They should be packing in 75,000 fans every game.  Minimum.  Not Texas's fault they have no appeal outside McLennan county.  Time for them to get off our coattails and start acting like the big boys they think they are.  Fuck'em. 

[Hurtlocker 2,212]

17 hours ago, DCLonghorn said:

247Sports: Ranking college football's richest, poorest programs (2018 data).

https://247sports.com/LongFormArticle/College-football-richest-poorest-programs-Alabama-Crimson-Tide-Texas-Longhorns-Ohio-State-Buckeyes-157982941/

Power Five NCAA conferences generated more than $2.9 billion in combined revenue for the 2019 fiscal year. The Big Ten Conference reported more than $780 million in revenue, the most of any conference, with the SEC second at just shy of $721 million.

The Pac-12 was third on the list at $530.4 million, followed by the ACC ($455.4 million) and then the Big 12 ($439 million). The Pac-12's reported revenue does not take into account the equity value of the Pac-12 Networks, per the report.

So, by team (not sure why reporters still focus on total revenue when sizes are different):

Big Ten: $55m

SEC: $51.5m

Pac 12: $44.2m*

ACC: $32.5M

Big 12: $43.9m*

* Some other "of note"s"

 - We know the Pac revenues are not legit.   For the other conferences with their own networks, they're just paid per year for their inventory.   The entire worth of the BTN, for instance, is not in these numbers.   The Pac revenue, since they own it all, includes the full revenue in this.   What is missing is the expense of the network.   In this year that the Pac 12 posted revenues of $530m, they only had distributions of $387m, or $32.25m per team.   More in line with the ACC, than the Big 12.

 - Speaking of the Big 12, this is non-inclusive of any T3 deal, because those are not managed by the Big 12.   Its not a ton, but probably adds another $50-70m total.   That would make it closer to $50m per school, however it isn't even.   Baylor is likely closer to $45 where Texas is closer to $55-57m.

In reality though, it doesn't really matter to those who have.  USC isn't hurt by the Pac-12s revenues any more than Texas doesn't really gain anything to get a couple more million.   At a certain point there is a revenue diminishing returns,   Where the difference is really seen is in the have nots.   Schools like TCU and ISU are now outgaining the Colorados and Cals and Oregon States of the world and becoming more competitive.   Mississippi State is growing revenue faster than UCLA.   

So, don't look at who is a few million more than someone else, consider that a rounding error.   Find the schools losing money or deliberately going into debt to finance football.   Outside butthurt, that's the only ones who would move for money.

[Kyle 207]

On 12/23/2020 at 4:26 PM, Aqua Buddha said:

Arky would be great but with the new SEC deal coming up, I honestly don't see them leaving.

Although, watching it happen would be glorious.  Their fans drink more SECSECSEC Kool Aid than anyone.

I have a former friend who never took a class at Pig but graduated at on is the directional law schools ... has an “SEC Rulz” custom Pig Plate and about five pig things on his car. Always used to talk about “us” regarding any secsecsec team.

[Thiefery 4,997]

I actually enjoyed playing Colorado again last night, and I wouldn't mind a return to the Big12 for them if the conference does expand.  If they expand to make the conference to make it whole again.. I can see them paired with one of the AZ schools or even Nebraska.

North: CO, ISU, KSU, KS, WV, NE  (CO, ISU, KSU, KS, WV, TCU)

South: UT, Tech, ou, OSU, bu, TCU (UT, Tech, ou, osu, bu, ASU)

[Aqua Buddha 14,598]

3 hours ago, Kyle said:

[b]I have a former friend who never took a class at Pig but graduated at on is the directional law schools ... has an “SEC Rulz” custom Pig Plate and about five pig things on his car. Always used to talk about “us” regarding any secsecsec team.[/b]

 

On 12/28/2020 at 8:22 PM, camel at sea said:

The SEC has a new deal coming up.  The Big 12 will have a new deal after that and it will be a significant per-team raise, too.  Put NU into the Big 12 before Arky has to decide and the gap is not all that wide.  

The next SEC deal will have them making about $65M per.  The Big 12 will be distributing about $45M per at the end of our current deal - a 13 year old media rights deal - and that $45M distribution number doesn't include Tier 3.  (Texas will be making $60M+ on an ancient Big 12 deal+LHN at the same time the SEC leaps forward to $65M per.)  Assuming the Big 12's Tier 1/2 deals improve at a similar clip to the projection of improvement everyone is getting, and is distributing (conservative guess) $55M per from everything but Tier 3, then an Arky move to the Big 12 would mean their media money doesn't change much at all  They could probably make pretty good money on Tier 3.  They have big fan support for football, basketball, and baseball.    

As for the Kool Aid drinking?  There is a large contingent of their fans - especially the ones in NW Arkansas - who constantly bring up how much better off they'd be in the Big 12.  Those fans are right, btw.    

The bolded above is more accurate.  I live in Northwest Arkansas and the SECSECSEC kool aid is very thick with the locals.  They'll continually lose to Rutgers, San Jose State, and various directional schools but then use "we" when talking about how great the SEC is.  They'd be heartbroken if they left.

The older fans remember the SWC so they're more amendable.  Their currently leadership and Jerry are all Texas guys so there's that.

[camel at sea 589]

9 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

 

The bolded above is more accurate.  I live in Northwest Arkansas and the SECSECSEC kool aid is very thick with the locals.  They'll continually lose to Rutgers, San Jose State, and various directional schools but then use "we" when talking about how great the SEC is.  They'd be heartbroken if they left.

The older fans remember the SWC so they're more amendable.  Their currently leadership and Jerry are all Texas guys so there's that.

About once a year, when football starts getting pummeled, you'll see Arky fans on Hogville or one of their other boards starting a thread about why they need to leave the SEC for the Big 12.  It always has more support than you'd expect.    

I have family in Ft. Smith.  The older folks don't drink as much of the kool aid as the younger people in my experience.  The older folks remember what it used to feel like to win.    

[Hurtlocker 2,212]

2 minutes ago, camel at sea said:

About once a year, when football starts getting pummeled, you'll see Arky fans on Hogville or one of their other boards starting a thread about why they need to leave the SEC for the Big 12.  It always has more support than you'd expect.    

I have family in Ft. Smith.  The older folks don't drink as much of the kool aid as the younger people in my experience.  The older folks remember what it used to feel like to win.    

Sounds like Nebraska

[S11 16]

They play 10 this year, and all of a sudden their defenses aren't magical.   They ranked behind the Big 12 and Big Ten going into last week.  What a difference two games makes.

Yup. Expansion back to 12 would help the league schedule more wins and improve perception.

[Al_4_ISU 12,464]

The idea of referring to the Big 12 as a whole as "us" or any other school as "us" is fucking revolting.  God, I hate the SEC.

[HornsofBevo 122]

35 minutes ago, S11 said:

Yup. Expansion back to 12 would help the league schedule more wins and improve perception.

Agree. Steal a couple of schools from a P5 conference or take BYU (big following) and Cincinnati(Nice metro area with room to grow) and be done with it. Both teams would bring viewers and both have shown the ability to be competitive with other P5 schools. This allows the Big12 to split into two divisions and gives us an extra win each year. Every team in the conference would be one game better each year and it still allows reaches like Nebraska and Arkansas to be added and make sense geographically. It also makes for a competitive north conference if BYU, Iowa State and West Virginia can stay respectable.

North:

BYU-WVU-Cinn-ISU-Kansas-Kansas State

South:

Texas-OUsux-OSU-Tech-TCU-Baylor

 

Edited January 5, 2021 by HornsofBevo

[gmr548 16,580]

Ah, we’ve reached the Cincinnati and BYU stage.

The Big 12 is fine in the long term as it is. If Texas or OU decides they want out, it’s over. No realistic add is worth it financially, which is the reason leagues exist at this point.

I’m in the minority but I still wouldn’t mind a PAC-16. Fun road trips, can keep some regional element in divisions, conference champ pretty much guaranteed a playoff spot if they’ve got 1 loss or better. Not SEC brutal/insufferable and not ACC/Big Ten completely uninteresting. Not happening but a boy can dream.

[S11 16]

Agree. Steal a couple of schools from a P5 conference or take BYU (big following) and Cincinnati(Nice metro area with room to grow) and be done with it. Both teams would bring viewers and both have shown the ability to be competitive with other P5 schools. This allows the Big12 to split into two divisions and gives us an extra win each year. Every team in the conference would be one game better each year and it still allows reaches like Nebraska and Arkansas to be added and make sense geographically. It also makes for a competitive north conference if BYU, Iowa State and West Virginia can stay respectable.
North:
BYU-WVU-Cinn-ISU-Kansas-Kansas State
South:
Texas-OUsux-OSU-Tech-TCU-Baylor
 

Keep historical rivalries intact.

One permanent rival protects Texas-OU and the rest partner off logically.

4 SWC teams + 2 newbies
5 Big 8 teams + 1 newbie

That would keep the biggest brands in each division and mostly balance things out competitively. OkSt/KU/KSU likely pair off with the other three TX schools. ISU probably pairs with an addition as they recruit outside TX more than the other three.

So if it’s Cincy and BYU...

Texas-OU
Tech-OSU
BU-KU
TCU-KSU
Cincy-ISU
WVU-BYU

If it’s AZ/ASU (hypothetical)

Texas-OU
Tech-OSU
BU-KU
TCU-KSU
AZ-ISU
ASU-WVU


Move WV and the two additions to either division depending on who they are.

Get more creative with hoops scheduling to mitigate distance issues for outlier schools.

[Al_4_ISU 12,464]

7 hours ago, S11 said:

 

Keep historical rivalries intact.

One permanent rival protects Texas-OU and the rest partner off logically.

4 SWC teams + 2 newbies
5 Big 8 teams + 1 newbie

That would keep the biggest brands in each division and mostly balance things out competitively. OkSt/KU/KSU likely pair off with the other three TX schools. ISU probably pairs with an addition as they recruit outside TX more than the other three.

So if it’s Cincy and BYU...

Texas-OU
Tech-OSU
BU-KU
TCU-KSU
Cincy-ISU
WVU-BYU

If it’s AZ/ASU (hypothetical)

Texas-OU
Tech-OSU
BU-KU
TCU-KSU
AZ-ISU
ASU-WVU


Move WV and the two additions to either division depending on who they are.

Get more creative with hoops scheduling to mitigate distance issues for outlier schools.
 

 

The idea of an annual BYU/WVU game is hilarious and awesome to me.  Mormons in Morgantown is pure comedy.

[DCLonghorn 244]

The idea of an annual BYU/WVU game is hilarious and awesome to me.  Mormons in Morgantown is pure comedy.

The reverse is more funny.

[Al_4_ISU 12,464]

27 minutes ago, DCLonghorn said:

34 minutes ago, Al_4_ISU said:

The idea of an annual BYU/WVU game is hilarious and awesome to me.  Mormons in Morgantown is pure comedy.

The reverse is more funny.

Hell, that would be documentary worthy.

[Machinator 32,099]

 

[Machinator 32,099]

 

[S11 16]

2 hours ago, Al_4_ISU said:

The idea of an annual BYU/WVU game is hilarious and awesome to me.  Mormons in Morgantown is pure comedy.

Figured that would be a good one as it pairs top 20 all time wins eastern brand WVU with BYU's large brand in the west.   Also pairs ISU with Cincinnati for recruiting interests.

 

But the general idea is build divisions based on historical affiliations.

[Al_4_ISU 12,464]

8 minutes ago, S11 said:

Figured that would be a good one as it pairs top 20 all time wins eastern brand WVU with BYU's large brand in the west.   Also pairs ISU with Cincinnati for recruiting interests.

 

But the general idea is build divisions based on historical affiliations.

All the schools I want to keep on the schedule annually would be in ISU's division anyhow.  Cincy is fine with me.  I've always thought that Nippert Stadium is a really cool, unique venue that I'd love to see a game in, and Campbell has been recruiting Ohio like crazy (there's a ton of talent there).

 

[Hurtlocker 2,212]

2 hours ago, Machinator said:

 

Love this idea.   I'd love it more if they played Spring Football

[DCLonghorn 244]

...Cincy is fine with me...

If this ever comes to pass (you know, because all the ideas in this thread are totally plausible), DO NOT EAT THE CHILI!!! It's ain't chili! It fucking spaghetti with various shit on top of it!!!! That was a HUGE culture shock when I visited campus right after leaving UT. And those guys were so excited to take me to the famous "chili" place because I was from Texas...and we love chili. They were as clueless as I was.

[Al_4_ISU 12,464]

9 minutes ago, DCLonghorn said:

 

 

If this ever comes to pass (you know, because all the ideas in this thread are totally plausible), DO NOT EAT THE CHILI!!! It's ain't chili! It fucking spaghetti with various shit on top of it!!!! That was a HUGE culture shock when I visited campus right after leaving UT. And those guys were so excited to take me to the famous "chili" place because I was from Texas...and we love chili. They were as clueless as I was.

 

I've heard there's detectable cinnamon in it.  That's all I needed to hear.

[SwanderedTalent 5,761]

23 hours ago, gmr548 said:

I’m in the minority but I still wouldn’t mind a PAC-16. Fun road trips, can keep some regional element in divisions, conference champ pretty much guaranteed a playoff spot if they’ve got 1 loss or better. Not SEC brutal/insufferable and not ACC/Big Ten completely uninteresting. Not happening but a boy can dream.

That would probably be our best option. The eastern alignment of the Pac-X (assuming that means the two Arizona schools, Utah/Colorado, and the two LA schools, plus whatever we schlep over from the Big 12) is a more attractive regular slate of games than the Big Ten West and as long as OU comes with us, more attractive than the Big 12's dog's breakfast of KSU, West Virginia, etc. 

I just can't see us in the SEC, culturally. Also, creating a "super division" with Texas, OU, LSU, and Alabama in it (along with Auburn and A&M) would be self-defeating under the current post-season alignment. 

[PhillyD 1,257]

So glad we didn't end up in what has become a mess of a conference.  Work is cut out for the next commissioner.

Canzano: Pac-12 Commissioner Larry Scott is out -- and it’s about time - oregonlive.com

[Hurtlocker 2,212]

9 hours ago, PhillyD said:

So glad we didn't end up in what has become a mess of a conference.  Work is cut out for the next commissioner.

Canzano: Pac-12 Commissioner Larry Scott is out -- and it’s about time - oregonlive.com

They had to make this move, he was clearly the worst commissioner in the Power Five, and it isn't even close, and possibly the entire FBS.   Additionally, they start negotiations in a year for their next decade of media contracts.   They need to right their ship fast.

Quote

Minutes after the news broke, I reached out via text message to a longtime trusted Pac-12 staff member to ask, “What do I need to know?”

The reply came: “He’s a (expletive).”

 

[notre dame joe 187]

7 hours ago, Hurtlocker said:

They had to make this move, he was clearly the worst commissioner in the Power Five, and it isn't even close, and possibly the entire FBS.   Additionally, they start negotiations in a year for their next decade of media contracts.   They need to right their ship fast.

 

Scott managed to build a PACn that was not on the basic cable packages in-footprint.  That seems self-defeating.  

 

Although I'm unsure where the ACCn starts in-footprint. 

[Somnio 751]

A resurrected Big 12 but with Arkansas in place of aggy seems like it would not suck.  It'll probably never happen, but it seems like about the best situation I could envision.

 

South

Texas, Texas Tech, Baylor, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Arkansas

 

North

Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, Missouri, Nebraska, Colorado 

 

This would also put the SEC back at 12 schools as before, just with aggy instead of piggy.

 

 

[LTtxfan 49,196]

Recently saw a comment about future structure of CFB and how the B12 and PAC12 should merge somehow...

With all the political crap going on out West, I just don't expect to see TEXAS or blOU agree to risk their football future by being part of a PAC12/B12 merger. 

[Hurtlocker 2,212]

1 hour ago, LTtxfan said:

Recently saw a comment about future structure of CFB and how the B12 and PAC12 should merge somehow...

With all the political crap going on out West, I just don't expect to see TEXAS or blOU agree to risk their football future by being part of a PAC12/B12 merger. 

Still got my marker that they combine their media rights, but stay separate conferences 

[Thiefery 4,997]

5 minutes ago, Hurtlocker said:

Still got my marker that they combine their media rights, but stay separate conferences 

would that mean one OOC game between them every season?

[Hurtlocker 2,212]

1 minute ago, Thiefery said:

would that mean one OOC game between them every season?

It isn't necessary, but definitely feasible since you could sell more rights.   Non-cons, outside made for TV, are worth half of nothing.   Conference games make all the money.   But if you knew you could schedule 10 Big12/Pac12 games a year on top of 198 conference games it wouldn't be worth less.

[Saint Tacky 1,614]

2 hours ago, Somnio said:

South

Texas, Texas Tech, Baylor, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Arkansas

North

Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, Missouri, Nebraska, Colorado 

This would also put the SEC back at 12 schools as before, just with aggy instead of piggy.

Fuck Missouri. They made their beds. Never.

[kopp0e 1,135]

On 1/23/2021 at 8:43 PM, Somnio said:

A resurrected Big 12 but with Arkansas in place of aggy seems like it would not suck.  It'll probably never happen, but it seems like about the best situation I could envision.

 

South

Texas, Texas Tech, Baylor, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Arkansas

 

North

Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, Missouri, Nebraska, Colorado 

 

This would also put the SEC back at 12 schools as before, just with aggy instead of piggy.

 

 

Maybe XII just reforms the league after pulling the crown jewels out west...

Signs a long term deal with ESPN, who has helped branding of ACC/ SEC...

Comparative bowl game records since 2000:

The top tier of XVI would sit competitive:

Oregon: - 10W/10L - 0 national titles...
Oklahoma: 10W/ 11L - 1 national title...
Texas: 14W/4L - 1 national title...
USC: 10W/6L - 2 national titles...

Versus the best of ACC (ESPN partner):

Virginia Tech: 9W/11L - 0 national titles...
Miami: 7W/12L - 1 national title...
Florida State: 12W/8L - 2 national titles...
Clemson: 13W/ 11L - 2 national titles...

Versus the best of SEC (ESPN partner):

Auburn: 10W/9L - 1 national title...
Florida: 11W/8L - 2 national titles...
LSU: 14W/7L - 2 national titles...

(wait for it)...

Alabama: 16W/8L - 6 national titles...

Maybe all should worry about B1G foes:

Ohio State: 12W/ 10L - 2 national titles...
Nebraska: 8W/8L - 0 national titles...
Penn State: 7W/7L - 0 national titles...

(wait for it)...

Michigan: 6W/12L - 0 national titles...
 

[Thiefery 4,997]

There was an article about the PAC and it's plan with it's new media deal coming up.  They will resign the GOR agreement and they expect a 39% increase... because that was the MLB model for it's recent deals.

39% increase is a bold projection

[Hurtlocker 2,212]

1 hour ago, Thiefery said:

There was an article about the PAC and it's plan with it's new media deal coming up.  They will resign the GOR agreement and they expect a 39% increase... because that was the MLB model for it's recent deals.

39% increase is a bold projection

Its actually probably market and will depend on what they do with PacN.   If they package it together and bundle it off, like BTN/SECN, it will increase because they'll be on more TVs and if they shutter the PacN and go the ACCN/B12 version on ESPN, it will increase because they'll use less inventory for it, meaning they'll have more to sell on their next contract (e.g. take 108 games to market over 96, etc).

Their current media deal averaged about $22m over the span, so a 40% boost would net $31m average.   While I'd say that puts them back in the game, the B1G and Big12 will be getting at least that too.

The thing is, I'm not sure that's enough to dig the Pac out

Edited February 15, 2021 by Hurtlocker
forgot words and shit

[Thiefery 4,997]

18 minutes ago, Hurtlocker said:

Its actually probably market and will depend on what they do with PacN.   If they package it together and bundle it off, like BTN/SECN, it will increase because they'll be on more TVs and if they shutter the PacN and go the ACCN/B12 version on ESPN, it will increase because they'll use less inventory for it, meaning they'll have more to sell on their next contract (e.g. take 108 games to market over 96, etc).

Their current media deal averaged about $22m over the span, so a 40% boost would net $31m average.   While I'd say that puts them back in the game, the B1G and Big12 will be getting at least that too.

The thing is, I'm not sure that's enough to dig the Pac out

yeah it seems like they are stuck because of geography..  They can have marquee games at 3:30 pm, but that's also the same time slot the SEC puts it's marquee matchup.  People on the East coast tune out the 10:30pm kickoffs.  Not sure what they can do but the Big 12 does look to be in a better spot when it comes time to negotiate the new media deal.