Realignment talk not going away

[Gidnik 3268]

“If we add teams just to try to keep up with somebody else but those teams don’t grow our revenue base, do we really need to add them,’’

“What the SEC has done is unify the other conferences in a way that nothing else could have, in terms of working together,” Schulz told the Hotline.

“A lot of people now are very concerned about the predatory nature of the SEC. More presidents are talking. There’s a lot of back and forth.”

The SEC declined to comment on Schulz’s remark.

Since news broke last month of Texas and Oklahoma jumping to the SEC, Schulz has spoken to numerous university presidents — both inside and outside the Pac-12 — about potential responses in various regions and leagues.

“I sensed that in the aftermath of the announcement, there was some panic,’’ he said. “But I don’t think that’s the case any longer.

“I have talked to presidents around the country, and what I’ve found is that people are taking a step back and taking a deep breath. They’re saying, ‘Let’s not rush into it and make a hasty judgment.’

“Nobody is on a deadline. At the same time, we don’t want to have our head in the sand and just see where everything is one year later and hope it worked out for the best.”

Schulz learned from his tenure at Kansas State that internal alignment is essential for any conference during an expansion wave.

“You have got to hold serve at home and make sure all the current members feel good about the conference financially and the direction it’s headed,’’ he said. “You can’t have death by 1,000 cuts, where you lose one member here, and then another there.”

When asked specifically whether the Pac-12’s current membership is satisfied, Schulz said:

“People are saying they like the affiliation that we all have geographically and from the standpoint of being research institutions. All the conversations I’ve had have been really positive, that this is a good footprint. But we need to ask ourselves where we’ll be as a conference in five years.”

For that reason, Schulz reached out to new Pac-12 commissioner George Kliavkoff to offer advice in the wake of the Texas and Oklahoma news.

“I called George and told him that I’ve been through it before. I wanted to make sure we weren’t sitting on the sideline. And he said, ‘I have six options for us.’

“He’s thinking deeply about these things. Should we be in the acquisition mode? Should we look to add members? Should they be football-only members? Should we consider a schedule alliance?

“I am so glad George is at the helm. We’re not resting on our laurels. He’s looking at options and what we can do to maximize our football brand. He’s the right leader at the right time.”

 

like the pac 12 didnt poach colorado and try and take 4 schools in 2012. fucking clownshoe

[Jasper_Jester 356]

39 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

If you listen to the podcast, they're still wondering where Texas and Oklahoma are going to get the money for the buyout. They really think this has the potential to drag on for four years. Someone might want to remind these guys that ESPN still owes Texas $150 million for the LHN.

its humorous when they talk about having 12 members not looking to leave. If they really think that Kansas hasn't called the B1G to say hi for each of the last 10 years, they are dumb. 

[Hagbard Celine 10858]

1 hour ago, closetohumping said:

https://www.heartlandcollegesports.com/2021/08/03/kevin-kietzman-joe-castiglione-backstabbed-other-big-12-athletic-directors/?fbclid=IwAR1wqh_mnnt7tdbS1AN5gBtSD2SqmiHa4-4ONc1d4CANDTLY95m9xM1JhTA

"The Athletic reported that the current sentiment around the Big 12 was that the remaining members were “pissed” at Texas, but “disappointed” in Oklahoma. That sounds about right regarding the general feelings around the conference towards the two programs."

Big.

Evil.

Texas.

new marketing campaign complete with deepfake cronkite narration

[Hagbard Celine 10858]

47 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

If you listen to the podcast, they're still wondering where Texas and Oklahoma are going to get the money for the buyout. They really think this has the potential to drag on for four years. Someone might want to remind these guys that ESPN still owes Texas $150 million for the LHN.

it's like aggy financials.... inconvenient line items are simply ignored and not calcuated

abracadabra, 100% narrative alignment compliance!

[RomaVicta 29907]

15 hours ago, 'stache said:

I thought you needed 6 of the 8 to land to dissolve the conference by supermajority. Supermajority being 75% and you still are members til 2025 (on paper fir now at least).

What about the filibuster? Can they filibuster? Could they deny a quorum by not attending the meeting? 

Get Robert on the phone, we have rules of order questions here!

[Yuk 1532]

 

[bullet 1596]

11 hours ago, TKthunder2 said:

My 64: Take all the P5 public flagships of every state —33

Take any blueblood football or basketball school that got left out: Notre Dame, USC, Duke, UCLA —37

add in elite private schools that other universities want to be associated with: Stanford, Vandy, Northwestern —40

add in any missing P5’s in the top 40 all time fb wins: Auburn, Clemson, aggy, VA Tech, GA Tech, Pitt, Syracuse, Michigan St, Boston College, TCU —50

add in any missing P5’s in top 25 all time bball wins: Purdue, Oregon St, NCSU, Louisville, Oklahoma St—55

add any schools that have won multiple national championships fb or bb in the modern era (1950 or after) Miami, Florida St —57

now looks at FBS fb playing schools with multiple fb/bb national championships in the modern era from outside the P5: SMU, Cincy, UConn —60

Finally you look for political coverage which will likely require another Texas school in Tech the largest public school remaining, WSU and ASU have laws that they have to be in the same conference as UW/AZ. —63 jeez

and then add Boise St because they are popular —64

This cuts out: Baylor, K State, ISU, Miss St, Wake Forest

 

 

But wait, here’s another way:
Take the 65 P5s and cut out any duplicate markets, if California has 4 and Florida has 3 Texas should have 4 and every other state should be capped at 2 until you get to states with less than 4 million in population which should be limited to 1.  This allows everyone to remain except Baylor, Purdue, NCSU, Wake Forest, Mississippi State, Kansas State, and Iowa St which drops the list down to 58, then add the best remaining non P5 following the same rules: Buffalo (#2 NY team, population 20mil/2=10mil), Cincy (#2 Ohio 12mil/2=6mil) UConn (#1 CT team 3.6 mil), UMass (#2 team 3.5 mil), Colorado St (#2 3 mil), Nevada (#1 3 mil), LA Tech or Tulane (#2 2.5 mil), UNM (#1 2.1 mil), Boise St (#1 1.8 mil)

 

My point simply is look at these two ways you can decide this, by history and success or by markets and you generally find the same group of schools getting cut: Baylor, Kansas St, Iowa St, Wake Forest, Mississippi St and half of this list is the left behind Big 12 schools.

This is why the outlook for Baylor, K State, and Iowa State aren’t so good.

Another way is to look at football attendance.  If you take the top 64 in football attendance over the last 4 years, Boston College is #64 at 34,972.  Just missing the cut: South Florida and San Diego St. with over 34k.  Then its a drop to 32k for Boise, Navy and Cincinnati, 31k for Houston and Army.  Non P5s who make it: #30 BYU, #55 UCF, #60 East Carolina and #62 Memphis.  P5s out of luck, #72 Washington St. (30,572), #74 Vanderbilt (29,229), #78 Duke (27,287), #79 Wake Forest (27,183) and #80 Kansas (26,442).

Baylor is #46 at 44,130; Kansas St. #35 at 50,444; Iowa St. #31 at 56,573 and Miss. St. #26 at 57,664.  Some of the teams in small markets have really good fan support.  Whereas Big 10 schools are in the #56-#59 spots-Illinois, Northwestern, Rutgers and Maryland, all below 40k.  Big 10 has 7 of the top 21 in attendance, but the other 7 are from #43 to #59.

[Huckleberry 32859]

1 minute ago, Yuk said:

 

Does that look like Feldman's real twitter account to you?

[TxEx84 398]

1 minute ago, Yuk said:

 

 

Fake account

[Not a Sock 2313]

1 minute ago, Yuk said:

 

Fake account dumbass.

[Hagbard Celine 10858]

12 minutes ago, Gidnik said:

“If we add teams just to try to keep up with somebody else but those teams don’t grow our revenue base, do we really need to add them,’’

“What the SEC has done is unify the other conferences in a way that nothing else could have, in terms of working together,” Schulz told the Hotline.

“A lot of people now are very concerned about the predatory nature of the SEC. More presidents are talking. There’s a lot of back and forth.”

....

[Yuk 1532]

Oh goddammnit.

[TxEx84 398]

Real Feldman is @BruceFeldmanCFB.  This asshole has 'CF8'.  

[mdmost 43001]

If it doesn't have a blue checkmark in the name, don't post it. 

 

[bullet 1596]

2 minutes ago, Yuk said:

 

Is August 4th some kind of April Fool's Day? Or did the SEC and Big 10 reach a pact?  Whoever didn't get UT and OU had to take Kansas and one other Big 12 school?

[JimmyJames 12271]

The chances of the B1G taking Iowa state are in the one percent neighborhood. 
 

Along with Baylor and KSU, Iowa state is in the most likely to be relegated discussion. 

[Hurtlocker 2212]

15 minutes ago, JimmyJames said:

If this were to happen this is also the only scenario I can see for OSU getting in the SEC which I think they would beat out tech for. 
 

If the B1G expands, and that’s a big if, then Kansas, Virginia and Missouri are the three that most closely fit their criteria. Lots of TV sets in northern Virginia, St. Louis and Kansas City. 

Reporting from NoVa - no one gives a shit about the Cavs here, except for alumni and its a small school.  Its a very fractured market for brands in general and there are so many colleges within 5 hours that no one brings the state, let alone the metros.   

The eastern side of the Potomac is basically the Redskins, then the Caps/Nats, then the Steelers, then the Ravens, then a chasm the size of Florida until you get to Maryland/Penn State, and that's only because Georgetown isn't a basketball power any more.   

On the NoVa side of the river its the same Redskins/Nats/Caps/Steelers, then another major chasm before you get to college sports.   When you do the two biggest are likely VTech and WVU, who both have alumni all over the area.   (Morgantown isn't much further away than UVA is, and Vtech is two hours further out from both).   Honestly, the biggest college football game that matters in the region is likely the Army/Navy game as there is no dominant college sport presence in the area.  If I polled 100 random people I bet less than 5% would even know a single conference connected to a school.

[Hurtlocker 2212]

15 minutes ago, Yuk said:

 

Holy shit, that's not some rando

[Radical Larry 28588]

Yes it is.

[Hurtlocker 2212]

Just now, Radical Larry said:

Yes it is.

hahaha, bastard!   Missed the 8.   Trickery

[bullet 1596]

1 hour ago, Eugene11 said:

Anyone with half a brain saw this all coming at some point when Nebraska and aggy left the conference.  I knew it was a matter of time. They both surprised the conference when they announced leaving. Or at least aggy certainly did. I never got this mad or upset and blamed them or their ADs or thought we should go to state legislature about it. 
wtf is going on with these fuck heads?   Is it really just that we carry them that much and they know it but can’t admit it? 

Yes.

Plus a lot of the country just hates the state of Texas.  Its been that way for a long time.  Its not just the current red team/blue team political environment, but that contributes.

[mchookem 16330]

15 hours ago, SwAss said:

Fun fact, Vegas was actually settled by "Mormons" well before Vegas became a Casino town.  That is why there is a large LDS population in the Las Vegas area with a large temple on the east side and a "Mormon Fort" museum.  http://parks.nv.gov/parks/old-las-vegas-mormon-fort

There will be more BYU fans then Arizona fans, we outnumbered them in Phoenix  back in 2016 at our first matchup in the series so I wouldn't be surprised if we outnumber them again here, especially with all the LDS in Vegas, Mesa/Phoenix area, Southern California, and Utah.   BYU has no qualms playing sports in Vegas, we'lve also played numerous WCC basketball tournaments in Vegas (I'm not familiar with basketball since I only follow CFB and MLB), and we've played in Vegas for decades as members of the WAC and MWC.  Hell, Donny and Marie Osmons perform or performed on a nightly basis at The Flamingo!   

mormons actually settled most of what we consider the 'old west'.

which i learned along with other interesting mormon facts when i read Under the Banner of Heaven (history of mormons/LDS by John Krakauer who also wrote Into Thin Air and Into the Wild). do recommend.

Edited August 4, 2021 by mchookem

[bullet 1596]

31 minutes ago, Hagbard Celine said:

it's like aggy financials.... inconvenient line items are simply ignored and not calcuated

abracadabra, 100% narrative alignment compliance!

Well Texas and OU can simply go to the SEC in 2022, leaving $35 million in distributions and refusing to let Big 12 camera crews into the stadium and just tell the Big 12 to sue.  Texas and OU will have the money and the keys to the stadiums and the Big 12 will only have lawyers.  That's a strong position.  So its in the Big 12's interest to settle.  And its in UT/OU and ESPN's interest to settle as there is always the possibility of losses in courts and injunctions that make life difficult for everyone.  And the losses could be big.

[Hurtlocker 2212]

2 minutes ago, bullet said:

Well Texas and OU can simply go to the SEC in 2022, leaving $35 million in distributions and refusing to let Big 12 camera crews into the stadium and just tell the Big 12 to sue.  Texas and OU will have the money and the keys to the stadiums and the Big 12 will only have lawyers.  That's a strong position.  So its in the Big 12's interest to settle.  And its in UT/OU and ESPN's interest to settle as there is always the possibility of losses in courts and injunctions that make life difficult for everyone.  And the losses could be big.

The Big 12 doesn't have camera crews, the legal issues would be between the SEC and Big 12, not the schools.   Even in the SEC the conference controls the broadcast rights, in their case on yearly GoRs instead of multi-year (unless they changed that with the new ESPN deal).  They either can't sell them to ESPN, because they don't own anything to sell, or the check gets mailed to the Big 12, instead of Texas/OU, for media revenue until the GoR expires.    These are not unique documents, they are used all the time in broadcasting/entertainment.

But, the larger point is it will either be ridden out to avoid all negotiations, or there will be a settlement.  

[bullet 1596]

22 minutes ago, Hurtlocker said:

Reporting from NoVa - no one gives a shit about the Cavs here, except for alumni and its a small school.  Its a very fractured market for brands in general and there are so many colleges within 5 hours that no one brings the state, let alone the metros.   

The eastern side of the Potomac is basically the Redskins, then the Caps/Nats, then the Steelers, then the Ravens, then a chasm the size of Florida until you get to Maryland/Penn State, and that's only because Georgetown isn't a basketball power any more.   

On the NoVa side of the river its the same Redskins/Nats/Caps/Steelers, then another major chasm before you get to college sports.   When you do the two biggest are likely VTech and WVU, who both have alumni all over the area.   (Morgantown isn't much further away than UVA is, and Vtech is two hours further out from both).   Honestly, the biggest college football game that matters in the region is likely the Army/Navy game as there is no dominant college sport presence in the area.  If I polled 100 random people I bet less than 5% would even know a single conference connected to a school.

On my list, UVA is #53 in average attendance, just ahead of Stanford.

[Hurtlocker 2212]

1 minute ago, bullet said:

On my list, UVA is #53 in average attendance, just ahead of Stanford.

haha, yeah, I'd guess more people visit Charlottesville for the wineries and breweries than the football 

[bullet 1596]

11 minutes ago, mchookem said:

mormons actually settled most of what we consider the 'old west'.

which i learned along with other interesting mormon facts when i read Under the Banner of Heaven (history of mormons/LDS by John Krakauer who also wrote Into Thin Air and Into the Wild). do recommend.

Into Thin Air i a great book.  Also a good read is "The Climb" which is a different perspective on that same Everest disaster from the Russian guide Boukreev, who Krakauer faults.  Think of Krakauer as KSU's president and Boukreev as UT's president writing a book on the recent events.

[JimmyJames 12271]

26 minutes ago, Hurtlocker said:

Reporting from NoVa - no one gives a shit about the Cavs here, except for alumni and its a small school.  Its a very fractured market for brands in general and there are so many colleges within 5 hours that no one brings the state, let alone the metros.   

The eastern side of the Potomac is basically the Redskins, then the Caps/Nats, then the Steelers, then the Ravens, then a chasm the size of Florida until you get to Maryland/Penn State, and that's only because Georgetown isn't a basketball power any more.   

On the NoVa side of the river its the same Redskins/Nats/Caps/Steelers, then another major chasm before you get to college sports.   When you do the two biggest are likely VTech and WVU, who both have alumni all over the area.   (Morgantown isn't much further away than UVA is, and Vtech is two hours further out from both).   Honestly, the biggest college football game that matters in the region is likely the Army/Navy game as there is no dominant college sport presence in the area.  If I polled 100 random people I bet less than 5% would even know a single conference connected to a school.

I don’t disagree with you but apparently the B1G has other priorities. They did take Maryland and Rutgers after all and those schools bring even less than Virginia. Nobody in NYC cares about Rutgers. 

[Texas Wahoo 3394]

28 minutes ago, Hurtlocker said:

Reporting from NoVa - no one gives a shit about the Cavs here, except for alumni and its a small school.  Its a very fractured market for brands in general and there are so many colleges within 5 hours that no one brings the state, let alone the metros.   

The eastern side of the Potomac is basically the Redskins, then the Caps/Nats, then the Steelers, then the Ravens, then a chasm the size of Florida until you get to Maryland/Penn State, and that's only because Georgetown isn't a basketball power any more.   

On the NoVa side of the river its the same Redskins/Nats/Caps/Steelers, then another major chasm before you get to college sports.   When you do the two biggest are likely VTech and WVU, who both have alumni all over the area.   (Morgantown isn't much further away than UVA is, and Vtech is two hours further out from both).   Honestly, the biggest college football game that matters in the region is likely the Army/Navy game as there is no dominant college sport presence in the area.  If I polled 100 random people I bet less than 5% would even know a single conference connected to a school.

I can tell you that my neighborhood in Arlington has a lot more UVA license plate holders than any other school.  That may not translate into TV eyeballs, especially when the team is not very good, but NoVa (at least close in) has a large collection of UVA alumni.  It's obviously a small school compared to Texas or most Big Ten schools, but it's about the same size as VaTech and WVU.

[Hurtlocker 2212]

2 minutes ago, JimmyJames said:

I don’t disagree with you but apparently the B1G has other priorities. They did take Maryland and Rutgers after all and those schools bring even less than Virginia. Nobody in NYC cares about Rutgers. 

That's a good point I hadn't even considered.    When they added Maryland, BTN was carried in NoVa too, because several carriers handle the entire metro.  Not sure if that's true in Richmond or Hampton Roads.

[closetohumping 17440]

31 minutes ago, Hurtlocker said:

Reporting from NoVa - no one gives a shit about the Cavs here, except for alumni and its a small school.  Its a very fractured market for brands in general and there are so many colleges within 5 hours that no one brings the state, let alone the metros.   

The eastern side of the Potomac is basically the Redskins, then the Caps/Nats, then the Steelers, then the Ravens, then a chasm the size of Florida until you get to Maryland/Penn State, and that's only because Georgetown isn't a basketball power any more.   

On the NoVa side of the river its the same Redskins/Nats/Caps/Steelers, then another major chasm before you get to college sports.   When you do the two biggest are likely VTech and WVU, who both have alumni all over the area.   (Morgantown isn't much further away than UVA is, and Vtech is two hours further out from both).   Honestly, the biggest college football game that matters in the region is likely the Army/Navy game as there is no dominant college sport presence in the area.  If I polled 100 random people I bet less than 5% would even know a single conference connected to a school.

Yep.  Used to live over there.  Way too many transplants.  It's a Nihilist attitude.  they didn't care about anything, much less 1 of 50 colleges represented in the area.

[Valmy77 13226]

19 minutes ago, mchookem said:

mormons actually settled most of what we consider the 'old west'.

which i learned along with other interesting mormon facts when i read Under the Banner of Heaven (history of mormons/LDS by John Krakauer who also wrote Into Thin Air and Into the Wild). do recommend.

Sounds like a bunch of cult propaganda to me. The Mormons didn't even go west until the 1840s, well after much of it was already settled. What the hell?

[Hurtlocker 2212]

1 minute ago, Texas Wahoo said:

I can tell you that my neighborhood in Arlington has a lot more UVA license plate holders than any other school.  That may not translate into TV eyeballs, especially when the team is not very good, but NoVa (at least close in) has a large collection of UVA alumni.  It's obviously a small school compared to Texas or most Big Ten schools, but it's about the same size as VaTech and WVU.

Yeah, not saying they're not there, just saying they don't really dominate the conversation, football wise.   UVA is positioned more as basketball.

[Aqua Buddha 14595]

10 minutes ago, Hurtlocker said:

haha, yeah, I'd guess more people visit Charlottesville for the wineries and breweries than the football 

Don't forget the occasional nazi march.

[83Horn 1640]

3 minutes ago, closetohumping said:

Yep.  Used to live over there.  Way too many transplants.  It's a Nihilist attitude.  they didn't care about anything, much less 1 of 50 colleges represented in the area.

They're Nazis, Dude?

[BachelorTrek 2968]

51 minutes ago, Yuk said:

 

Jebaited Surly.

[Texas Wahoo 3394]

 

I wonder how many people get Peacock premium.

 

[ABSR 5310]

2 hours ago, closetohumping said:

https://www.heartlandcollegesports.com/2021/08/03/kevin-kietzman-joe-castiglione-backstabbed-other-big-12-athletic-directors/?fbclid=IwAR1wqh_mnnt7tdbS1AN5gBtSD2SqmiHa4-4ONc1d4CANDTLY95m9xM1JhTA

Nobody in sports was ever nicer to me than Joe Castiglione. He was the nicest man ever. He’s got friends everywhere in college athletics. He’s one of the most respected guys in the country. Every other AD in the league loves Joe Castiglione. Now they hate him. He lied to them for a year. He sat at every table keeping in his mind that he was orchestrating a way for his team to be out, lying to them, hearing all the information about what’s going on the Big 12, likely sharing that information with ESPN and the SEC. And he turned around and stabbed them in the back.

NO. What he did was his job.  Which is to do what is best for his athletic department and school.   If he had told the Big 12 and other AD's about his plans then the conference and other schools would have done anything and everything to scuttle it, while at the same time doing anything to help their own best interest with no regards to the conference or other conference members.

Same with CDC.

This is like expecting an employee to notify his current company and his boss that he is interviewing and looking to possibly take a new job and leave the company, well before any interviews, decisions or offers are made.

[bullet 1596]

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/a-look-at-whats-ahead-for-the-pac-12-with-realignment-set-to-shake-up-college-football-once-again/

"...Industry sources tell CBS Sports there is no combination of remaining Big 12 schools that would bring value to the Pac-12.

The Big 12 remains the only Power Five conference with a smaller membership than the Pac-12. Does staying at 12 teams make the Pac-12 more vulnerable now that the Texas-Oklahoma move has begun rumblings about the emergence of four "superconferences"?

"You have to be strategic," Oregon athletic director Rob Mullens said. "Number [of teams] is one piece of the strategy, but you have to think big. I'm not ready to make a definitive answer on a number yet....""

[Moby Ric 2058]

That giant sucking sound is assholes puckering up all over the state if KU and ISU leave.  Except for baylor, they are going to spread their cheeks for anyone willing to help them.

[Valmy77 13226]

As somebody who really wanted the Big 12 to work out Castiglione was a constant concern because his dissatisfaction with the league was constant and evident and the fact that OU wanted out was clear. And I believe I stated several times in this thread that if that were to ever happen Texas had no choice but to go with them. If that was obvious to me I cannot imagine any of the other ADs in the Big 12 were that out of touch. Or at least you wouldn't think so. This is total political nonsense.

Good on Iowa State and Kansas for finding a home in the Big 10 if that rumor turns out to be true.

Edited August 4, 2021 by Valmy77

[MoJames 8244]

6 minutes ago, Texas Wahoo said:

 

I wonder how many people get Peacock premium.

 

EPL fans generally do.

[83Horn 1640]

14 hours ago, Hagbard Celine said:

i repped this earlier because you live in pennsyltucky so you have the right to create and propagate your own meme...

however around these parts, you have to have a one-word name, because of aggy, and their nomenclature of "plurale tantrum"

yes, that is the latin name for nouns that are both singular and plural.....

some nouns have no singular form. Such a noun is called a plurale tantum......

which is totally fitting..... aggy... .plurale tantrum....

thus, the singular of nambly is pedder....

therefore, praise bob

praise the laser projekt

I kind of miss Danger Snax...whatever happened to that guy?

[Gidnik 3268]

8 minutes ago, Texas Wahoo said:

 

I wonder how many people get Peacock premium.

 

im guessing its a test to see how many will get it to watch the game. 

[Valmy77 13226]

That has to suck for Toledo fans, the main time you get to see your team play on national TV is when you get to become scrimmage fodder for the Notre Dame's of the world and now it is behind a paywall...I  mean presuming there are Toledo fans I don't know.

[utee94 15820]

4 minutes ago, Valmy77 said:

That has to suck for Toledo fans, the main time you get to see your team play on national TV is when you get to become scrimmage fodder for the Notre Dame's of the world and now it is behind a paywall...I  mean presuming there are Toledo fans I don't know.

Yeah, Larry is pissed.  

Edited August 4, 2021 by utee94

[Valmy77 13226]

Just now, utee94 said:

Yeah, Larry is pissed.  

Poor Larry 

[TrashMaster G 17553]

1 hour ago, Gidnik said:

“If we add teams just to try to keep up with somebody else but those teams don’t grow our revenue base, do we really need to add them,’’

“What the SEC has done is unify the other conferences in a way that nothing else could have, in terms of working together,” Schulz told the Hotline.

“A lot of people now are very concerned about the predatory nature of the SEC. More presidents are talking. There’s a lot of back and forth.”

The SEC declined to comment on Schulz’s remark.

Since news broke last month of Texas and Oklahoma jumping to the SEC, Schulz has spoken to numerous university presidents — both inside and outside the Pac-12 — about potential responses in various regions and leagues.

“I sensed that in the aftermath of the announcement, there was some panic,’’ he said. “But I don’t think that’s the case any longer.

“I have talked to presidents around the country, and what I’ve found is that people are taking a step back and taking a deep breath. They’re saying, ‘Let’s not rush into it and make a hasty judgment.’

“Nobody is on a deadline. At the same time, we don’t want to have our head in the sand and just see where everything is one year later and hope it worked out for the best.”

Schulz learned from his tenure at Kansas State that internal alignment is essential for any conference during an expansion wave.

“You have got to hold serve at home and make sure all the current members feel good about the conference financially and the direction it’s headed,’’ he said. “You can’t have death by 1,000 cuts, where you lose one member here, and then another there.”

When asked specifically whether the Pac-12’s current membership is satisfied, Schulz said:

“People are saying they like the affiliation that we all have geographically and from the standpoint of being research institutions. All the conversations I’ve had have been really positive, that this is a good footprint. But we need to ask ourselves where we’ll be as a conference in five years.”

For that reason, Schulz reached out to new Pac-12 commissioner George Kliavkoff to offer advice in the wake of the Texas and Oklahoma news.

“I called George and told him that I’ve been through it before. I wanted to make sure we weren’t sitting on the sideline. And he said, ‘I have six options for us.’

“He’s thinking deeply about these things. Should we be in the acquisition mode? Should we look to add members? Should they be football-only members? Should we consider a schedule alliance?

“I am so glad George is at the helm. We’re not resting on our laurels. He’s looking at options and what we can do to maximize our football brand. He’s the right leader at the right time.”

 

like the pac 12 didnt poach colorado and try and take 4 schools in 2012. fucking clownshoe

 

So, securing additions that DO add value = "predatory"?

 

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21 minutes ago, Texas Wahoo said:

 

I wonder how many people get Peacock premium.

 

I am an expert on Peacock. The wife tries to watch reruns of old shows on that app on the TV in the bedroom. She complains that it is the worst TV app to get around in and to find programming. She is also upset that Days of Our Lives has been preempted by the Olympics. She blames me for it. Every day. If you are single and reading this, you are a fucking idiot if you get married. I am going to log off and kill myself. 

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58 minutes ago, Hurtlocker said:

The Big 12 doesn't have camera crews, the legal issues would be between the SEC and Big 12, not the schools.   Even in the SEC the conference controls the broadcast rights, in their case on yearly GoRs instead of multi-year (unless they changed that with the new ESPN deal).  They either can't sell them to ESPN, because they don't own anything to sell, or the check gets mailed to the Big 12, instead of Texas/OU, for media revenue until the GoR expires.    These are not unique documents, they are used all the time in broadcasting/entertainment.

But, the larger point is it will either be ridden out to avoid all negotiations, or there will be a settlement.  

I wonder if there is a dichotomy in value.  The huge rating games have huge value.  Meanwhile the mass games (Iowa St.-Kansas St., Iowa-Purdue, Utah-Arizona, etc.) aren't increasing in value?  The remainder may not be much worse in average ratings than the Pac 12, but they don't have any USC-UCLA or Stanford-Washington type games that draw big numbers.  They just fill the schedule.