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How many teams will be left when the dust settles in a few years? I think there's a way for all the teams to still have some involvement. I will explain that at the end of this list. Here's my list of the top 32 programs and a list if it goes to 48. There's some debate if it goes to 48, but not much debate if it stops at 32. I guess one could debate Arizona State, but that's about it. The top 32 at least come close to carrying their own weight. Everyone below that line is losing money for t

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2 hours ago, Bateshorn said:

All your secondary sports (and future Olympian’s) are going to spend a lot of their semester studying in the cozy confines of ORD

Seriously, if they have to fly commercial, the Big Ten absolutely should work with ORD/LAX to get a lounge for when the teams travel.  That being said I bet they just go private charters.

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Aggy should abstain so the vote is 13-0 and then we can then brand it on their dog.

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1 minute ago, markstanco said:

Boy I have a hard time believing Washington (big market) and Oregon (small market but big following) would cave this fast and not wait for the b1g come calling.

It's not "caving" if the B1G doesn't want to expand beyond 16. They'd both make more $ in the Big 12 than whatever the Pac leftovers can put together. Adding SDSU and Boise St may only dilute their payouts further.

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The big and sec both have media rights deals ending in the next year or two... right?   Why wouldn't most of those teams just say we are leaving and dump the Rutgers and Marylands of the world and form a new conference with Bama and Texas and Ohio State and Michigan ucla usc et all?   

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1 minute ago, BigHornedLurker said:

It wouldn't be those teams but that would be a hilarious turn of events, call it the big 8 

 

Texas , ND,  OSU , Michigan,  Stanford , ucla , USC , and their friend of choice 

 

You may be on to something; not for this cycle, but someday years from now.  An uber conference of 8-10 schools.  Sure each season would be a bloodbath, but you eliminate a bunch of conference deadwood, you cherrypick your games each year, etc.  

20-24 school conferences will be unwieldily, and you can imagine the grumblings eventually of too many mouthes to feed, having to travel to Rutgers for a Friday night game, etc.

Consider it the LIV approach to pro golf, but with blue bloods in football.  Yes, the other sports are fucked, but who cares?  It's football.

 

 

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27 minutes ago, clapclapclap said:

Colo and ASU with similar, "We are committed to the P-12" statements today.

I have no doubt they are listening, but until they get the tv numbers back from FOX/ESPN they aren’t going anywhere unless they get B1G/SEC invites.

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3 hours ago, closetohumping said:

What do you mean?  I think this merge is happening.  Or maybe a loose alliance?  
 

 

if I’m the acc I start looking at big 12 and pac leftovers too

Just the general trend over the past 25 years.  Regional rivalries thrown aside again and again.

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6 hours ago, Al_4_ISU said:

Here's a blog purporting to show last year's TV viewing numbers:

https://medium.com/run-it-back-with-zach/which-college-football-programs-were-the-most-watched-in-2021-49ef4f315858

The Pac 12 is behind a lot of the Big 12.  The Big 12 has "dead weight" in the Top 30.

Good chart, but much like Texas LHN games, you can’t put much stock in the Pac-12 network numbers that nobody subscribes to.  That being said; I am surprised how many P12 teams Wazzu beats considering how times I was up until Sunday morning watching…

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7 hours ago, Al_4_ISU said:

The Big 12 is just trying to get the money they think they're owed.  If Texas and OU cut that check, it would end.  Obviously there's some level of spite.

So, should UT seek an unequal share backdated to 2010?  And also, should UT seek to have their share of the corn/tigger exit fees (the "orphan 5" money) returned from all the other schools?  Isn't UT ****"owed"**** that money the same way the rest of the big12 is ****"owed"**** whatever it is that you say Texas owes you?   Has Texas ever showed "spite" towards any other school in the league?  After the pornographic raping in lubbock in 2008, did we show any spite?  After the pornographic raping against oSu in 2015, did we show any spite?  By the logic of "spite" are we not owed what we would have taken had we exhibited some level of "spite"?????

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3 hours ago, BigHornedLurker said:

It wouldn't be those teams but that would be a hilarious turn of events, call it the big 8 

 

Texas , ND,  OSU , Michigan,  Stanford , ucla , USC , and their friend of choice 

I agree that Texas would much prefer to be associated with the academic elites in big time college ball. 

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7 hours ago, ABSR said:

Stanford does care about athletics overall as can be seen by them winning, or coming close to winning, the Directors cup every year.

While I would agree about their lack of interest in the Brave New NIL world as it pertains to Football, does Football provide the meal ticket to pay for all of the other sports as it does with almost all other programs?  If so, then I believe they would be reticent to bail on football (and conference alignment and money) based on the impact to all of it's sports.    Additionally, without a conference, and even if they kept all their other sports, it would be a struggle to get games/schedules as an independent (not impossible).

Stanford is the only school to have fully endowed their athletics program including football. They have the largest overall endowment of any non ivy league school. They give no shits about anything having to do with money. They get to keep their pomp, pretense, and ivory tower thinking and get applauded by other people with no concept of earning money.

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4 hours ago, closetohumping said:

Notre dame gave us the finger for the acc.  And that’s after deloss publically mentioned them as a potential partner

Did you ever get thanked?  My impression is that the ACC was being tough on the negotiations so Deloss Dodds was convinced to open the curtains. 

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This makes a ton of sense if the B1G is actually refusing to consider more expansion rn (for whatever reason)

The remaining academically attractive AAU schools (OU, UW, UNC, UVA)get to secure stronger media payouts while they wait for the B1G to look at another round of expansion, the nerd partners (Duke, Berkeley, GT, and Stanford) stay in the convo and the land grant siblings (NCSU, VT, OSU, WSU) aren’t abandoned. 
 

Its good for Clemson as well, if they don’t go SEC, because they likely continue to dominate in football as long as Sweeney wants to continue coaching.

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https://theathletic.com/news/big-12-pac-12/xr0KkM54sW9e/

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The Big 12 is in “serious” talks with six Pac-12 members, sources told The Athletic. Those schools are Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, Oregon, Utah and Washington, sources said.

It’s unclear how long it would take for the Big 12 to secure a deal on expansion efforts. Sources expressed optimism that new Big 12 commissioner Brett Yormark, hired last week, can pull it off.

The Pac-12, despite losing two flagship schools in USC and UCLA last week, is “not panicked,” a source told The Athletic. One option for the Pac-12 is to form a partnership with the ACC, so both conferences don’t fall too far behind the SEC and Big Ten in terms of annual revenue.

Another factor is what Oregon and Washington might do. A former Pac-12 administrator put it in simple terms Tuesday: Oregon and Washington trump anything the Big 12 can offer.

 

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The reverberations from USC and UCLA exiting the Pac-12 for the Big Ten continue. The Big 12 intends to position itself to scoop up the most desirable remaining Pac-12 members, turning the tables on how things stood a year ago. The Pac-12 will enact its own plan, but, perhaps most importantly, can it hold on to Oregon and Washington? Meanwhile, questions loom at the national level. While all eyes are on what Notre Dame will do, what’s there to make of North Carolina? The Athletic staff dives into the latest realignment developments.

The Big 12 has been given an unexpected opportunity to strengthen its position among the Power 5 conferences. Its new commissioner doesn’t want to waste it. The league is having “serious” talks with six Pac-12 schools — Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, Oregon, Utah and Washington — and is determined to move quickly, sources told The Athletic. Big 12 commissioner Brett Yormark, hired just last week, has been described as “super aggressive” by one source and has the backing of the Big 12 presidents and chancellors to pursue the addition of Pac-12 members.

It’s unclear just how quickly the Big 12 could get a deal done on its expansion efforts, but those sources expressed optimism that Yormark can pull it off. CBS Sports first reported the Big 12 was in discussions about adding multiple Pac-12 schools.

Arizona and Arizona State have long been considered logical fits for the Big 12 if those schools ever had interest in exiting the Pac-12. But USC and UCLA bolting to the Big Ten has the Big 12 dreaming bigger. It’s also eyeing Utah, the Pac-12’s football champion in 2021, and Colorado, a Big Eight and Big 12 member until 2011.

i wonder how long it will take to get some real news to pop up.  

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If the ACC (yeah, I know they're locked up by ESPN) plus remnants of the big 12 and Pac were smart, they would figure out a way to negotiate as a block. Even with SEC and Big 10 expansion, there's still a ton of TV and streaming time that needs to be filled and they would have way more leverage if they weren't competing against each other. 

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7 hours ago, Vertigo said:

Stanford is the only school to have fully endowed their athletics program including football. They have the largest overall endowment of any non ivy league school. They give no shits about anything having to do with money. They get to keep their pomp, pretense, and ivory tower thinking and get applauded by other people with no concept of earning money.

Stanford obviously has a lot of money, but you're definitely overstating their not caring about money.  It was less than two years ago that they tried to cancel 11 varsity sports due to money considerations.  Obviously the administration cares about money, at least when it comes to athletics.

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3 minutes ago, Steamboat1874 said:

I don't know why this is so hard.

There should be 4 each 16 team conferences (64 teams) in D1 football.

Each conference has 2 each 8 team divisions. 

because youre talking about more money than some small third world countries have. 

 

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21 minutes ago, Steamboat1874 said:

I don't know why this is so hard.

There should be 4 each 16 team conferences (64 teams) in D1 football.

Each conference has 2 each 8 team divisions. 

Competitive balance.  Sec’s 16 will be better than Big 12’s

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29 minutes ago, Mitch Cumsteen said:

If the ACC (yeah, I know they're locked up by ESPN) plus remnants of the big 12 and Pac were smart, they would figure out a way to negotiate as a block. Even with SEC and Big 10 expansion, there's still a ton of TV and streaming time that needs to be filled and they would have way more leverage if they weren't competing against each other. 

Yea. They should form an alliance

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8 hours ago, Vertigo said:

Stanford is the only school to have fully endowed their athletics program including football. They have the largest overall endowment of any non ivy league school. They give no shits about anything having to do with money. They get to keep their pomp, pretense, and ivory tower thinking and get applauded by other people with no concept of earning money.

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8 hours ago, Vertigo said:

Stanford is the only school to have fully endowed their athletics program including football. They have the largest overall endowment of any non ivy league school. They give no shits about anything having to do with money. They get to keep their pomp, pretense, and ivory tower thinking and get applauded by other people with no concept of earning money.

bullshit. 

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/18/sports/stanford-sports-reinstated.html#:~:text=Stanford had a %2428.9,11 teams were not dumped.

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Last summer, this abrupt change by Stanford seemed implausible, particularly when the university repeatedly told the cut teams that the decision was final and that there would be no way the programs could fight for their own existence. Many athletes said they doubted the university’s reasoning for the cuts being a financial one. Stanford had a $28.9 billion endowment as of August, but officials said that money was earmarked for other things. It projected a $70 million deficit over the next three years if the 11 teams were not dumped.

 

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11 hours ago, Hagbard Celine said:

So, should UT seek an unequal share backdated to 2010?  And also, should UT seek to have their share of the corn/tigger exit fees (the "orphan 5" money) returned from all the other schools?  Isn't UT ****"owed"**** that money the same way the rest of the big12 is ****"owed"**** whatever it is that you say Texas owes you?   Has Texas ever showed "spite" towards any other school in the league?  After the pornographic raping in lubbock in 2008, did we show any spite?  After the pornographic raping against oSu in 2015, did we show any spite?  By the logic of "spite" are we not owed what we would have taken had we exhibited some level of "spite"?????

Reading comp, bro.  The "spite" I referenced was coming from the the rest of the Big 12.  I wasn't accusing Texas of being spiteful.

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