Realignment talk not going away

[Michael Knight 12989]

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According to the source, money is a major factor along with recruiting clashes. Florida reportedly doesn’t want Miami to join, Tennessee doesn’t want UNC, and Kentucky doesn’t want Louisville. Louisville brings in the second-most revenue among public ACC schools. Miami’s revenue isn’t public, but it’s estimated that they are near the top as well — plus they bring a hometown team in a huge market.

 

Maybe this time they are right. If so then we must be joining in 23

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[Gidnik 3284]

1 minute ago, Michael Knight said:

 

hes a full of shit swimming reporter

[Gidnik 3284]

nvm

Edited July 8, 2022 by Gidnik

[Gidnik 3284]

not sure who this guy is tho

[ButtFumble 5180]

9 hours ago, Sir Ulrich said:

Since we may be on the verge of the P5 being reworked into a 3 or 4 team model I wanted to see which conferences were the most and least successful at bring home national championships in the big 3 revenue sports. For the cutoff date I used 1998 when the BCS was introduced because that was the starting point to all the madness we have today.

What I found them most surprising is that the BIG 10 was the least proficient at winning national championships despite being the 2nd most valuable conference. And the Big 12 who has the 3rd most eyeballs is 2nd to last in championships won. This really all means nothing because we know that brand size is often not related to recent championships (see Texas, USC, UCLA, OU) but interesting non the less that the Big 10 will get $100 million per school and has hardly made a dent in the SEC's championship domination.

 

SEC National Championships: 

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Football: Tenn '98, LSU '03, Florida '06, LSU '07, Florida '08, Bama '09, Auburn '10, Bama '11, '12, '15, '17, LSU '19, Bama '20, Georgia '21

Basketball: Kentucky '98, Florida '06, '07, Kentucky '12

Baseball: LSU '00, '09, South Carolina, '10, '11, Vandy '14, Florida '17, Vandy '19, Miss State '21, Ole Miss '22

 

ACC National Championships:

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Football: Florida State '99, '13, Clemson '16, '18

Basketball: Duke '01, Maryland '02, UNC '05, '09, Duke '10, '15, UNC '17, Virginia '19

Baseball: Virginia '15

 

Pac 12 National Championships:
 

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Football-USC '03, '04 

Basketball- None

Baseball: USC '98,  OSU '06, '07, Arizona '12, UCLA '13, OSU '18

 

Big 12 National Championships: 

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Football: OU '00, Texas '05

Basketball: Kansas '08, Baylor '21, Kansas '22

Baseball: Texas '02, '05 

 

Big 10 National Championships: 

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Football: tOSU 02, 14

Basketball: Michigan State '00

Baseball: None

 

SEC

Got Jimbo +1 2018 aggy

 

ACC

Got Jimbo -1 2018 FSU

[Aqua Buddha 14598]

I like how these very regional brands (Clemson/Florida State, etc.) are being treated like they're national brands.  There are very few national brands.  They ain't it.

[SilasCoade 2622]

3 hours ago, Gidnik said:

i didnt. playing oregon state or washington state at 11 pm was absolute shit.  there is not 1 school out there that i want to see us play every year.  

UW's stadium situation is one of the best in college football. An early season game with the sun setting over Puget Sound behind you? Fuck yes.

[Hagbard Celine 10875]

9 hours ago, Uncle Nate said:

Not to cloak room this thread, but does anyone else feel we (fans, schools, etc) are nothing but the puppets at the end of the strings being pulled by two mega, mega media conglomerates?

If Standard Oil and Ma Bell were considered dangerous monopolies that had to be broken up for the common good, what does that make ESPN/Disney and Fox?  ALL of this realignment stuff is being completely manipulated by these two companies.

I’m getting the whole industrial media complex vibe and I don’t see it being a good thing in the end. 

it's starting to feel like the consolidation of the airlines

and that's turned out really great!

[Brodarious Hamm Sandwich 126]

hes a full of shit swimming reporter

Yep, but he ain’t necessarily wrong

For full disclosure, UNC guy here

Why is everyone so fixated on the ACC GoR? ESPN and FOX can pay the penalty out for each school they target and still profit.

I just hope my alma mater doesn’t become an alma later

[Gidnik 3284]

https://regents.cu.edu/events

2nd colorado BOR meeting in 3 days

[Hagbard Celine 10875]

does the texaggy monthly article mention:

91 - aggy gets pissed off because big brother was going west without them

06 - aggy gets pissed off because deloss offered byrne a 50/50 split of a tv network

07 - aggy gets pissed off because no one respects their authoritai because they have a standing offer to go east

08 - aggy gets pissed off because deloss had deal to go west WITH them

09 - aggy gets pissed off something something authoritai and keeps the orphan 5 payouts from corn and tigger

10 - aggy leaves

11 - aggy demands texas change their schedule so aggy can have their nuremburg rally game

12 - aggy blames the lhn network created after they left as the reason they left

and on and on and on

[Hagbard Celine 10875]

the 4 corners should tell the northwest and tree to fuck off

[elfenix 34326]

1989 aggy pissed off that Texas got offer to go east with piggy

https://www.al.com/press-register-sports/2010/04/finebaum_how_texas_nearly_join.html
 

Edited July 8, 2022 by elfenix

[Longboard Horn 40379]

 

[JFKFC 4890]

8 hours ago, Gidnik said:

2nd colorado BOR meeting in 3 days

[Gidnik 3284]

 

[Celery Man 20970]

16 hours ago, billfromlaketravis said:

How does Texas to the SEC kill old rivalries if it: 

- Reestablishes rivalries with Arkansas and 8&4

- Locks in Texas - OU for perpetuity

 

Dumb take is dumb.  

you see, other schools have no agency at all and are at the whim of decisions Texas makes to reignite its historical rivalries and promote its own interests. Also

 

Would love UNC to the SEC just to have a home-for-me UT game every so often. I think we're beyond pretending that academics matter much to this conversation, but they've got that going for them as well.

[DFW Horn 6127]

Clusterfucks....

 

[DFW Horn 6127]

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[SimonBolivar 10958]

Spoiler

 

The shock and awe portion of realignment appears to have hit a pause. We've transitioned from the searing range of emotions in the immediate aftermath of USC and UCLA hopscotching to the Big Ten to the cold calculations of the next steps that will shape the future of college sports.

 

Talk of poaching, mergers and arrangements -- notice an aversion to using the word "alliance" after the ACC/Big Ten/Pac-12 pairing quickly became a punchline -- is followed by chatter about consultants, projections, revenue share and per school payouts. Want to know where your school is going next? Follow the money.

 

"Everyone is an accounting major right now," joked an industry source.

 

As the media consultants and CFOs crunch their numbers in preparation for the next flurry of moves -- or perhaps the data drives folks to stay put? -- let's take account of what's looming in the near future and the factors shaping the next wave of realignment.

 

Can a bicoastal ACC/Pac-12 arrangement really work?

There's been a thesaurus leafed through on conference calls to find the best non-alliance wording to describe a potential long-distance arranged marriage between the ACC and Pac-12. Partnership? Loose scheduling consortium? Bicoastal arrangement?

 

They likely won't have to pick one that works, as sources indicated on Thursday that there's little chance of this happening in the form it is being discussed.

 

 

In what's being discussed, the leagues would keep their form. And they would be bonded together through the power of large quantities of television inventory and the occasional sexy cross-country football matchup between, say, Miami and Oregon. (Sorry, Mario Cristobal.)

 

How creative can the leagues get? One idea being discussed, per sources, is a four-day in-season basketball tournament between the leagues as a way to drive up value. Perhaps there's some football scheduling creativity? It sounds fun, but not all that lucrative.

 

The real play here is geography and quantity, as ESPN already owns all of the ACC rights through 2036 and would benefit from a presence on the West Coast, in particular for Saturday night football inventory.

 

But no one should hail this potential partnership as some sort of financial haymaker, especially for the high-end ACC schools worried about falling way behind the SEC and Big Ten. It's novel, but unlikely to be a game-changer.

 

One of the appeals to the Big Ten going into Southern California was turning millions of television homes into "inner market," which should command a significantly higher fee for the Big Ten Network. But that isn't expected to be the case for the ACC Network in this arrangement, as the Pac-12 schools aren't going to be recognized as actual ACC schools. Therefore, no significant financial bump.

 

"It's really hard unless they're going out and getting those schools to flat-out join the conference," said an industry source. "Absent institutions coming in individually to the ACC or a flat-out merger, the value created would be marginal."

 

So how much value could be created? How much would the Pac-12, whose TV deal is coming to market after the 2023 football season, command on its own? And would schools in the ACC already worried about cash flow compared to the SEC and Big Ten find enough value in the arrangement? It's hard to find where the significant money would be.

 

That's where there's some bottom-line skepticism. The numbers are supposed to be floated by the schools next week. And the notion, at the least, gave everyone in conference offices a breath from the dizzying game of Realignment Risk.

 

"It's early, and schools are curious to what the finances would indicate," said a source familiar with the talks. "Is the lift significant enough for ACC schools to close some of the gap with the SEC and Big Ten?"

 

Skepticism would be the obvious position on this potential arrangement, without more exploration of fiscal upside.

 

What else could the ACC do?

The word merger has trended out of any conversations. That would involve a league giving up auto bids, a seat at the College Football Playoff table and some commissioner making millions giving up his job and endangering the dozens of employees in the conference office. Those appear to be untenable roadblocks.

 

If the number crunching on the ACC arrangement with the Pac-12 come back underwhelming financially -- and that's the expectation -- things could potentially go from collegial to predatory in a number of directions.

 

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Here's the question that ACC commissioner Jim Phillips must answer through the context of this potential move. The ACC already has a large amount of low-wattage inventory in football schools like Syracuse, Boston College and Duke. Why take on the Pac-12's have-nots, too?

 

Would the ACC just be better off selectively poaching a few schools in major markets new to the ACC? That list could include Cincinnati, TCU, Houston, Washington, Oregon, Cal, Stanford, Arizona State, Colorado and Oklahoma State? (Only Oklahoma State has a limited market, but it has a strong program.)

 

This would seemingly drive more revenue via more inventory, which could open up the current ACC deal and give a decent boost to the ACC schools crying poor compared to the Big Ten and SEC. The bonus here would seemingly be an ACC Network with juiced-up inner-market rates thanks to the addition of a flurry of high-population areas. Cable plays are always tricky, just ask former Pac-12 commissioner Larry Scott. But the combination of better inventory and more ACC Network money would seemingly go a longer way pacify the high-end ACC members who are clamoring for unequal revenue share.

 

Ultimately, the ACC's binding grant of rights running congruent to the television deal that expires in 2036 is seemingly going to take ugly and aggressive legal action for schools to escape from. No one appears likely to be the first to run to the courthouse.

 

Could that cause eventually lead to a recalibrated ACC that helps appease the concerns of the league bell cows?

 

What's the Big 12 going to do?

The extent of the Big 12's discussions with Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado and Utah were overstated in reports this week. But there's certainly been back channel conversations and interest, as new commissioner Brett Yormark has followed through on his vow to be aggressive. A commissioner can only be as aggressive as his pocketbook, and that's where the next step comes.

 

The Pac-12 has basically convinced the four schools being courted to slow down and see what the numbers look like on a potential ACC partnership before they make any decision. "Everyone is kind of waiting," an industry source said.

 

If that proposed deal is as financially flimsy as expected, the Big 12 conversations with those four schools could heat back up. If one of those schools breaks away from the Pac-12 and commits to the Big 12, a domino effect could soon follow. And that domino of four schools could end up being six, with Oregon and Washington following for safe ground.

 

Hence the flurry of chatter this week about media consultants, who are common in conference television agreements. The Big 12 needs to sell schools on a robust financial future, and it has the option of pitching a short deal to the new members to see how it all works. Utah, Arizona, Arizona State and Colorado need to decide whether sticking with Oregon and Washington until they are eventually lured away or look east and build an identity facing that way.

 

The Big 12 is in the thick of those media rights projection conversations, or at least finding the folks to dig them up. It is exploring media consultants to run out the numbers on what the league's television deal could look like after it expires following the 2024 football season.

 

With the landscape so volatile and with so many unknowns around streaming, there's inherent ambiguity on where the Big 12 numbers could end up that far out. Ultimately, the Big 12 is going to get some projections, and so will the ACC/Pac-12. (The Pac-12 is also running numbers about staying at 10 or adding schools, too.)

 

Essentially, a spreadsheet is going to point to the future. And for the Big 12, the valuations can help fuel the league's aggression.

 

Is Notre Dame going to make a move?

Any chatter about the Big Ten making more moves in this cycle quiets by the day. The clear target for the league remains Notre Dame, but the urgency and interest in any imminent arrangement doesn't appear to be reciprocal.

 

Notre Dame still has a chance at a blockbuster television deal on its own when its NBC deal expires in 2025, as the Irish are attractive to streaming services because they offer a boutique product without all the bulbous inventory that comes with conference packages. In other words, a nimble streaming service could part a truck in South Bend for six home games instead of being saddled with a lot of Oregon State vs. Utah basketball games on a Tuesday night. (Also, NBC/Peacock could get a piece of the Big Ten and package that with Notre Dame for a day of strong football.)

 

"They don't need them," said an industry source of Notre Dame and the courtship by the Big Ten. "The market is going to be very vibrant for Notre Dame. They're going to do very well or extremely well."

 

The only obvious lever for Notre Dame remains playoff access, and it's harder to envision the SEC and Big Ten shutting them out.

 

One interesting nugget is that if Notre Dame does eventually go to the Big Ten -- and with consolidation all the rage, that day may come at some point -- it would need to do so with a partner. Notre Dame would prefer that partner be Stanford, which it has scheduled an annual game with since 1997. They are synchronized in educational missions and Stanford poses less of a recruiting threat to the Los Angeles schools than Oregon or Washington.

 

Notre Dame would need to be forced to the Big Ten by a restricted television market or by getting squeezed out of the playoff, and it's important to remember that Notre Dame doesn't like being pushed around or told what to do.

 

The day may come when Notre Dame joins a league, but that day doesn't appear imminent.

 

Has this changed the future of the College Football Playoff?

A lot has changed in the world of college football since SEC commissioner Greg Sankey, outgoing Big 12 commissioner Bob Bowlsby, Mountain West commissioner Craig Thompson and Notre Dame AD Jack Swarbrick began exploring the options in June 2019. That process eventually yielded the 12-team model that got shot down last year. (This exploration happened because Penn State president Eric Barron and Washington State's Kirk Schulz pushed for it, and those leagues got in the way of it happening.)

 

Oklahoma and Texas have announced they are heading to the SEC, college athletics have essentially become professionalized via NIL and USC and UCLA have declared they are headed to the Big Ten. Amid that time, an alliance between the Pac-12, Big Ten and ACC formed and then crumbled as Big Ten commissioner Kevin Warren left his co-alliance founders bumbling for answers and those other leagues -- the ACC and Pac-12 -- scrambling to secure their futures.

 

In retrospect, those who voted against or provided obstacles to the 12-team playoff left their leagues vulnerable. And amid the sport recalibrating, where will it all land the next time the group gets together and discusses options? Remember, this time there doesn't need to be unanimous approval for the next iteration of the College Football Playoff.

 

But after all that, what's the most likely model to replace the current four-team version when it expires after four more seasons? Probably still a 12-team playoff. But there needs to be some clarity on what leagues look like to determine who deserves what's essentially an automatic bid. The CFP plan that got shot down was the best six conference champions and six at large schools. Could that number be reduced to the five best champs with seven at large schools to appease the Power 2 leagues? That neighborhood feels right, but there's a lot of time left for change.

 

Could a 16-team model get more discussion? That would provide 15 games of inventory, which would be appealing to get chopped up among major networks and potential streamers. This would still have a long way to go, but the ample amount of at large schools -- think 10 or 11 -- would be of interest to the Power 2. So far, it's only been talk and with any playoff expansion so far out, CFP brass haven't even met to discuss plans in detail. "People have chattered about 16 teams, but it's nowhere near a groundswell," said an industry source.

 

One drawback to 16 teams would be the amount of games players would be asked to suit up for, and one certainty is that no power conference will give up their league title game for the playoff. Even though those games could decline in relevance with an expanded CFP, they are too valuable monetarily to sacrifice and already baked into contracts.

 

Don't expect any decisions soon, as there's really two years before a plan needs to be in place.

 

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['stache 21823]

I think some sort of media arrangement between the ACC and PAC/XII survivor league makes sense, but not a championship game between them. That would be a ridiculous cluster. Just schedule each other regularly so there's some familiarity and reasons for fans of one league to watch the other from time to time.

[SimonBolivar 10958]

40 minutes ago, 'stache said:

I think some sort of media arrangement between the ACC and PAC/XII survivor league makes sense, but not a championship game between them. That would be a ridiculous cluster. Just schedule each other regularly so there's some familiarity and reasons for fans of one league to watch the other from time to time.

Sounds expensive to get going as you'd have to buyout a ton of games and would the ACC major schools even be interested? Clemson adds a Pac12 school on top of South Carolina every year and FSU adds a Pac12 with Florida every year. Without a playoff expansion, I doubt they're all that interested in that. Also means those two schools are pretty much locked out of playing other P2 schools every year if they have to play a P12 school. 

Edited July 8, 2022 by SimonBolivar

[DFW Horn 6127]

13 minutes ago, 'stache said:

I think some sort of media arrangement between the ACC and PAC/XII survivor league makes sense, but not a championship game between them. That would be a ridiculous cluster. Just schedule each other regularly so there's some familiarity and reasons for fans of one league to watch the other from time to time.

That's what made a "loose partnership" between the PAC - sans USC & UCLA - and ACC somewhat ridiculous. There's really no history or compelling match-ups for which ESPN would overpay. Arizona vs UNC in basketball? Maybe Clemson vs Oregon in football.

Okay... 

[bullet 1597]

22 minutes ago, 'stache said:

I think some sort of media arrangement between the ACC and PAC/XII survivor league makes sense, but not a championship game between them. That would be a ridiculous cluster. Just schedule each other regularly so there's some familiarity and reasons for fans of one league to watch the other from time to time.

I don't think it does.  ACC is tied up until 2036.

If both were free soon it would make sense.

[Left Coast 863]

The ACC and the PAC 12 meet in the Sun Bowl every year and the stands are packed with dozens of people. Nobody cares, and this PAC/ACC trial balloon is a terrible idea.

The Big XII and the PAC need to join forces and create the 3rd conference. It would be a good football league and a very good basketball league.

 

[Vertigo 20290]

31 minutes ago, Left Coast said:

The ACC and the PAC 12 meet in the Sun Bowl every year and the stands are packed with dozens of people. Nobody cares, and this PAC/ACC trial balloon is a terrible idea.

The Big XII and the PAC need to join forces and create the 3rd conference. It would be a good football league and a very good basketball league.

 

The thing that I am watching with amusement is the juxtaposition between the institutional arrogance of these schools and the crumbling landscape around them. It is pretty clear that both the PAC and ACC view the B12 with disdain, and many of them are going to be forced into a landing spot that includes the B12. The PAC/ACC thing is nothing more than a bandaid to stop the bleeding, just like the alliance was last year. They are all fucked and they know it and are just desperately holding onto hope that they get an invite into one of the big 2 conferences. This will cause them to hold out too long and have to scramble at the last minute to join. If the B12 were smart, they would solicit 8 schools and tell them they have 4 spots. Whoever gets them gets them, whoever doesn't joins the MWC and the AAC.  

[TrashMaster G 17568]

10 hours ago, Hagbard Celine said:

does the texaggy monthly article mention:

91 - aggy gets pissed off because big brother was going west without them

06 - aggy gets pissed off because deloss offered byrne a 50/50 split of a tv network

07 - aggy gets pissed off because no one respects their authoritai because they have a standing offer to go east

08 - aggy gets pissed off because deloss had deal to go west WITH them

09 - aggy gets pissed off something something authoritai and keeps the orphan 5 payouts from corn and tigger

10 - aggy leaves

11 - aggy demands texas change their schedule so aggy can have their nuremburg rally game

12 - aggy blames the lhn network created after they left as the reason they left

and on and on and on

 

9 hours ago, elfenix said:

1989 aggy pissed off that Texas got offer to go east with piggy

https://www.al.com/press-register-sports/2010/04/finebaum_how_texas_nearly_join.html
 

I'd love to see a 1-2 line summary on each of these to pass to a "neutral" buddy of mine who defends aggy at every turn when I speak of their pique and infantile tantrums.

[DFW Horn 6127]

8 minutes ago, Vertigo said:

The thing that I am watching with amusement is the juxtaposition between the institutional arrogance of these schools and the crumbling landscape around them. It is pretty clear that both the PAC and ACC view the B12 with disdain, and many of them are going to be forced into a landing spot that includes the B12. The PAC/ACC thing is nothing more than a bandaid to stop the bleeding, just like the alliance was last year. They are all fucked and they know it and are just desperately holding onto hope that they get an invite into one of the big 2 conferences. This will cause them to hold out too long and have to scramble at the last minute to join. If the B12 were smart, they would solicit 8 schools and tell them they have 4 spots. Whoever gets them gets them, whoever doesn't joins the MWC and the AAC.  

Maybe Yormark has already done this with the Pac-6 targets, for starters?

First 4 in get the slots? He's still got time to accommodate additional teams if the media partners deem them value adds. Or maybe the Big 12 moves forward as a 16-team league in line with the B1G and SEC?

[Saint Austin 745]

2 hours ago, DFW Horn said:

Clusterfucks....

 

Pass. No interest in taking VaTech or NC State without their smarter, big brothers, or Louisville at all.

[elfenix 34326]

27 minutes ago, TrashMaster G said:

 

I'd love to see a 1-2 line summary on each of these to pass to a "neutral" buddy of mine who defends aggy at every turn when I speak of their pique and infantile tantrums.

schiller is the former commish of the SEC and the guy who looked at the rules and realized that with 12 teams they could get a championship game in football

Quote

"The one that made the most sense was Texas," Schiller said. "I spent some time with DeLoss Dodds (the Texas athletic director) and he really wanted to join the conference."

"The state legislature (in Texas) somehow got wind of it through Texas A&M and said we had to bring in both schools or we couldn't take Texas," Schiller said.

The SEC didn't want A&M. Ultimately, the two Texas schools would leave the Southwest Conference and join the Big 12.

fewer lines: SEC and Texas were courting, aggy got wind of it, leaked it to the lege, the lege said take aggy too [please!], sec said no to aggy, killing deal.  aggy wanted in secsecsec ever since. 

fast forward 30 years and aggy thought they could do the trick again. 

[camel at sea 589]

28 minutes ago, Vertigo said:

The thing that I am watching with amusement is the juxtaposition between the institutional arrogance of these schools and the crumbling landscape around them. It is pretty clear that both the PAC and ACC view the B12 with disdain, and many of them are going to be forced into a landing spot that includes the B12. The PAC/ACC thing is nothing more than a bandaid to stop the bleeding, just like the alliance was last year. They are all fucked and they know it and are just desperately holding onto hope that they get an invite into one of the big 2 conferences. This will cause them to hold out too long and have to scramble at the last minute to join. If the B12 were smart, they would solicit 8 schools and tell them they have 4 spots. Whoever gets them gets them, whoever doesn't joins the MWC and the AAC.  

There's all of this.  I think part of it, too, is that Disney does not want to be shut out of the west coast.  I think the Mouse is trying to figure out how to hang onto the PACN schools without having to do any business with the Big 12 (where there is some pretty potent mutual enmity.)  FOX on the other hand is encouraging PAC schools to join the Big 12.

I actually think FOX (for once) has the upper hand here but we'll see how hard they press for it.    

[Gaffords 757]

On 7/5/2022 at 4:11 PM, closetohumping said:

What do you mean?  I think this merge is happening.  Or maybe a loose alliance?  
 

 

if I’m the acc I start looking at big 12 and pac leftovers too

I assume the ACC has to be putting feelers out. You know they have to be considering expanding to at least shore up against a possible Big or the SEC phone call.

Who would the ACC look at? Would they go far west? Or would they look closer to home?

On a different note, I heard an interview on Youtube.  They were talking about expansion and the Big 12. It might be at this point already, but it definitely is, if the BIG 12 keeps expanding, it opens the door for ESPN to decide not to renew the TV contract, but instead want a completely new contract due to the dynamics of the Big 12 has changed so much.  This in effect kills the GOR because it is tied to the existing TV contract, leaving UT and OU free as early as 23 or 24.

 

['stache 21823]

The part that's frustrating is that it has to be the PAC or the XII. I wish the 16 most valuable and that make the most sense could just opt out of either and form a new conference (if shedding programs from an existing conference isn't possible). Basically get rid of WSU, ORST and some the Big XII incoming newbs (and WVU because the geography is stuipid). 

UO, UW, Cal, Stan, AU, ASU, UT, CO, ISU, KU, KSU, OKST, Tech, TCU, and two of BU, UH, and BYU. I'd personally like to drop both BU and BYU and give SDSU a chance to get to 16. 

Edited July 8, 2022 by 'stache

[DFW Horn 6127]

...and a nostalgic tear rolls down @'stache's cheek

 

['stache 21823]

1 minute ago, DFW Horn said:

...and a nostalgic tear rolls down @'stache's cheek

 

The Big 8 was before my time. I didn't pay any attention to college sports whatsoever until about 1998, shortly after my family moved from Texas to Oklahoma, and my sister decided to attend OSU. I was still in high school. I've only ever known the Big XII and I loved it because I was in Oklahoma but there were Texas schools involved and everyone else was driving distance when I entered OSU in 2000.

[DFW Horn 6127]

3 minutes ago, 'stache said:

The Big 8 was before my time. I didn't pay any attention to college sports whatsoever until about 1998, shortly after my family moved from Texas to Oklahoma, and my sister decided to attend OSU. I was still in high school. I've only ever known the Big XII and I loved it because I was in Oklahoma but there were Texas schools involved and everyone else was driving distance when I entered OSU in 2000.

I thought you were older. I liked the original Big XII best, too.

I may get a SWC t-shirt as a gag gift for somebody.

[Valmy77 13247]

I actually preferred the 2012 onwards Big 12 because of the round robin. That felt like a real conference, the old one was two mini-conferences and it was kind of shitty because the South was generally better than the North. 

But the original Big 12 had more prestige and all that.

[The Hot Dog Buffet 1291]

The original Big 12 was the best when Nebraska, Colorado, and Kansas State were all consistently winning 10 games. That was pretty short-lived, though. OSU and Baylor stopped being doormats and the south was a whole lot better than the north by the end of things.

[Valmy77 13247]

2 minutes ago, The Hot Dog Buffet said:

The original Big 12 was the best when Nebraska, Colorado, and Kansas State were all consistently winning 10 games. That was pretty short-lived, though. OSU and Baylor stopped being doormats and the south was a whole lot better than the north by the end of things.

Yeah that was 1996-1998 Big 12. OU was shitty, Texas was shitty (well...except for that one game against Nebraska heh), A&M was meh.

So really it was just the same problem just in reverse, though Nebraska and K-State choked in 1996 and 1998. Divisions are stupid.

Edited July 8, 2022 by Valmy77

[Slacks 6822]

12 hours ago, Hagbard Celine said:

does the texaggy monthly article mention:

91 - aggy gets pissed off because big brother was going west without them

06 - aggy gets pissed off because deloss offered byrne a 50/50 split of a tv network

07 - aggy gets pissed off because no one respects their authoritai because they have a standing offer to go east

08 - aggy gets pissed off because deloss had deal to go west WITH them

09 - aggy gets pissed off something something authoritai and keeps the orphan 5 payouts from corn and tigger

10 - aggy leaves

11 - aggy demands texas change their schedule so aggy can have their nuremburg rally game

12 - aggy blames the lhn network created after they left as the reason they left

and on and on and on

Are you referring to the R Justice article I accidentally just read?  Holy shit, that dude cannot stop fucking whining for Aggy clicks.  Why did he even go to school at Texas?

Oh, Texas is screwing up traditional rivalries and travel distances and parents will never get to see games now.....  Waaaaaa....

Motherfucker...  EVERY SEC school is drivable in a day... No, it's not TCU or Baylor, but it's damn sure the same as Tech, KSU, KU...

Hell, UT to ISU is a thousand fucking miles, dude...  UT to WVU is FOURTEEN HUNDREED MILES!!!  Both are further than Florida and South Carolina

1. Texas A&M (104 miles, 1 hr 49 min)
2. Oklahoma (374 miles, 5 hr 43 min)
3. LSU (434 miles, 6 hr 48 min)
4. Arkansas (524 miles, 7 hr 49 min)
5. Mississippi St (672 miles, 10 hr 28 min)
6. Ole Miss (707 miles, 10 hr 43 min)
7. Alabama (732 miles, 11 hr 1 min)
8. Missouri (774 miles, 12 hr)
9. Auburn (845 miles, 13 hr 3 min)
10. Vanderbilt (861 miles, 12 hr 29 min)

Mr. "I'M THE MEDIA!!!" has turned into a hack...

[notre dame joe 190]

4 hours ago, Celery Man said:

you see, other schools have no agency at all and are at the whim of decisions Texas makes to reignite its historical rivalries and promote its own interests. Also

 

Would love UNC to the SEC just to have a home-for-me UT game every so often. I think we're beyond pretending that academics matter much to this conversation, but they've got that going for them as well.

Pretend academics lives matter.

[Valmy77 13247]

43 minutes ago, Slacks said:

Oh, Texas is screwing up traditional rivalries and travel distances and parents will never get to see games now.....  Waaaaaa....

Moving to a conference with all three of our traditional rivals is screwing up traditional rivals? And hey we had it set up to play all of them every year until Arkansas left for SEC. Did we make them do that?

And looking around me and seeing the SEC and Big 10 scrambling for more power all at the whims of the big TV networks and Disney and acting like these much bigger and more powerful entities are somehow under the control of one school is hilariously moronic. I mean say something that makes sense.

Sure Dodds and his OU counterpart destroyed the Big 8 and SWC but it was obvious to both that if the Big 8 and SWC stayed in existence we would both be reduced to minor leagues eventually. It was kind of already happening (though Nebraska's surprising surge in the early 90s was the obvious exception). Sure CDC and his OU counterpart are destroying the current Big 12 by leaving now but the situation seems identical. Both moves are being done in an effort to not fall behind much less that UT and OU are out in front dictating events. So why present it that way? 

Edited July 8, 2022 by Valmy77

[Cairn Horn88 8275]

Texas caused all of this.

Posted by ChiGator  on 7/8/22 at 10:58 am

The first domino to fall in this new world order was when the Texas Longhorn Network aired in 2011. Texas then bullied the B12 into dissolving and basically the rest is history. So thanks Texas for fricking everything up for everyone! 
 

Haha!  We are getting credit for all this shit?  Gzzzzzzz.  Whatever.

[Slacks 6822]

5 minutes ago, Valmy77 said:

Moving to a conference with all three of our traditional rivals is screwing up traditional rivals? And hey we had it set up to play all of them every year until Arkansas left for SEC. Did we make them do that?

And looking around me and seeing the SEC and Big 10 scrambling for more power all at the whims of the big TV networks and Disney and acting like these much bigger and more powerful entities are somehow under the control of one school is hilariously moronic. I mean say something that makes sense.

Sure Dodds and his OU counterpart destroyed the Big 8 and SWC but it was obvious to both that if the Big 8 and SWC stayed in existence we would both be reduced to minor leagues eventually. It was kind of already happening (though Nebraska's surprising surge in the early 90s was the obvious exception). Sure CDC and his OU counterpart are destroying the current Big 12 by leaving now but the situation seems identical. Both moves are being done in an effort to not fall behind much less that UT and OU are out in front dictating events. So why present it that way? 

because he's a bitchass.

[Valmy77 13247]

We wanted to air our tier 3 content. We were going to do some corny pay per view thing. We wanted A&M to partner with us (who said fuck no) and it was going to be super lame, only interesting to a few hardcore Texas dorks. Then ESPN offered us a bunch of money to do it and we took it. Did we make ESPN decide that airing volleyball and golf was worth a lot of money for some reason?

And Nebraska and Colorado left in 2010 and the SEC already offered A&M to leave in 2010. Did we force the PAC 10, Big 10, and SEC to take Big 12 schools?

So we control the actions of ESPN, Nebraska, Colorado, Texas A&M, the SEC, The Big 10, and the Pac 10 and all because we wanted to put our volleyball and golf on TV?

Edited July 8, 2022 by Valmy77

[DFW Horn 6127]

10 minutes ago, Valmy77 said:

We wanted to air our tier 3 content. We were going to do some corny pay per view thing. We wanted A&M to partner with us (who said fuck no) and it was going to be super lame, only interesting to a few hardcore Texas dorks. Then ESPN offered us a bunch of money to do it and we took it. Did we make ESPN decide that airing volleyball and golf was worth a lot of money for some reason?

And Nebraska and Colorado left in 2010 and the SEC already offered A&M to leave in 2010. Did we force the PAC 10, Big 10, and SEC to take Big 12 schools?

So we control the actions of ESPN, Nebraska, Colorado, Texas A&M, the SEC, The Big 10, and the Pac 10 and all because we wanted to put our volleyball and golf on TV?

Everybody forgets Kansas was the first to monetize their T3 with basketball. That's what inspired DeLoss to get creative. He thought we were leaving money on the table. ESPN money-whipped him bc they didn't want to lose UT to the Pac and FOX.

I blame KU for all this, bc it's just as plausible as Dick Justice's drivel.

[Valmy77 13247]

8 minutes ago, DFW Horn said:

Everybody forgets Kansas was the first to monetize their T3 with basketball. That's what inspired DeLoss to get creative. He thought we were leaving money on the table. ESPN money-whipped him bc they didn't want to lose UT to the Pac and FOX.

I blame KU for all this, bc it's just as plausible as Dick Justice's drivel.

It is no one institutions fault. It is forces that have been acting in D1 Football since...hell...before I started paying attention in the 1980s I will tell you that. And Texas was an out of date dinosaur by that point.

The idea that it is the slow moving bureaucratic reactionary bunch over in Bellmont is over plotting 4-D chess to destroy athletics is hilarious. We are always a step behind, and we are huge so we can afford to be. But just like you said we only got the idea because Kansas was doing it. We blew up the SWC long after it ceased to really be viable as a major sports conference. And we had old man Deloss, incompetent Chris Plonsky and two short term incompetent ADs running the show the whole time. None of those people were pulling off any masterplans. To the extent any of them had plans they were mostly stupid and would sometimes luck out like Deloss and the LHN. That should have been some little PPV thing and maybe an amateurish streaming service today.

Edited July 8, 2022 by Valmy77

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20 minutes ago, DFW Horn said:

Everybody forgets Kansas was the first to monetize their T3 with basketball. That's what inspired DeLoss to get creative. He thought we were leaving money on the table. ESPN money-whipped him bc they didn't want to lose UT to the Pac and FOX.

I blame KU for all this, bc it's just as plausible as Dick Justice's drivel.

And Nebraska was ahead of us with their network before the B$G came calling.  Until October (Pac 16 fell apart in June), Fox was the favorite for the LHN and people at UT thought $3 million a year was optimistic.

Don't tell the LHN lies on this board.  There's enough everywhere else.  Yes I know about 5 years later some loser from the Pac claimed the LHN scuttled the Pac 16 deal but that's just a lie.  Powers and Dodds at the time in a press conference with Plonsky explained it.  ESPN and Fox had told them the dollars would be about the same.  When the Pac and Big 12 6 tried to minimize travel, Texas realized they could get basically the same schedule without moving.  Nobody had any idea how much the LHN would pay.  And with the Pac subnetworks, UT was getting what they had proposed to aggy.

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1 hour ago, Cairn Horn88 said:

Texas caused all of this.

Posted by ChiGator  on 7/8/22 at 10:58 am

The first domino to fall in this new world order was when the Texas Longhorn Network aired in 2011. Texas then bullied the B12 into dissolving and basically the rest is history. So thanks Texas for fricking everything up for everyone! 
 

Haha!  We are getting credit for all this shit?  Gzzzzzzz.  Whatever.

Of course we are. Everyone loves to blame the best.

[Valmy77 13247]

6 minutes ago, n64ra said:

Of course we are. Everyone loves to blame the best.

Are we the best though? We are #1 in my heart and Quidditch but...

Edit: And golf, indoor track and field, rowing, and tennis. Yes I know. Don't yell at me.

Edited July 8, 2022 by Valmy77