Realignment talk not going away

[LTbear 4168]

1 hour ago, notre dame joe said:

 

The Big12 has a UCF problem. The conference just doesn't look real with two islands in the east. If they had not panicked they could have slots to do a PAC semi-merger

Just wait out the ACC's death via SEC/ B1G and pickup a couple eastern teams. 

[camel at sea 589]

If I'm at Arizona and/or Utah, then I'm the most nervous about signing on with the PAC.  Of the "Four Corners" schools, they bring the least to the table in terms of markets and they are most likely to get left out if this conversation has to happen again in a few years.  Utah in particular has to worry about BYU already being in the conference.  

That said, from the Big 12 side of things, 1) Zona is either 1A or 1B in the PAC on the hardwood and would definitely add to the Big 12's hoops reputation, 2) Utah is the best remaining PAC football program other than Oregon and would provide another really competitive program to the slate, 3) those two are both AAU, and 4) those two in the boat would give the Big 12 a solid amount of late Saturday night kickoff inventory.  So if they're both willing to come, you take both, and you're really excited about it.  

Colorado might feel safe riding things out in the PAC, thinking they'd be the first Big 12 choice from the PAC in a few years if or when Oregon/Washington do eventually leave.  That's still a gamble on their part, though.  

 

If you play it out that way, and the Big 12 takes Zona and Utah, then the PAC could add SDSU + 1, remain at 10, and the PAC doesn't lose that much financially while probably then having an easier time finding agreement on unequal revenue distribution.  

9 minutes ago, LTbear said:

Just wait out the ACC's death via SEC/ B1G and pickup a couple eastern teams. 

Or depending on how things go, you can let them go to the ACC at that time in exchange for a hefty buyout.  

[bullet 1596]

2 hours ago, statsman said:

Who negotiates the structure of the college football playoff? Not the NCAA, I know. The major conferences?  The CFA? 
If it’s the major conferences, killing the PAC gives the SEC and B10 significantly more power. 
Of course, the B10 and SEC could decide to market their own playoff to the networks,…and the networks will buy it. We will then have a FBS tier 1 playoff and a tier 2 playoff (for Big XII, PAC, ACC and G5). 

The last time Slive and Delaney got in a room and decided it and then presented the 4 team CFP to the rest.  The Big 10 and SEC have even more power now.

They can't do anything ridiculous, but ultimately, those two will produce the first draft and the final draft won't be much different.

[bullet 1596]

Podcast with Brett McMurphy.  He is interviewed in the first 30-32 minutes.  Some key points:

1)Nobody has a clue what college football will look like in 5 years.

2)If Big 10 takes 2 Pac 12, 4 corners jump quickly to Big 12.

3)ACC pretty locked down for now, but come 2030 discussions will be fast and furious.

4)Says people from both Utah and NW think a mini-NFL is likely.

5)ND TV negotiations could drag out a year.

6)From people who know, Big 10 is not done.  In a year or two they will be done.

7)This round will be done by the time the CFP cycle ends following 2025 season.

8)Warren's comment about whether there are 2, 3, 4, or 5 power conferences will be decided by the market---means ESPN and Fox will decide how many power conferences there are.  Doesn't see how there can be 5.  He expects 2 or 4.

[Hurtlocker 2212]

2 hours ago, statsman said:

Who negotiates the structure of the college football playoff? Not the NCAA, I know. The major conferences?  The CFA? 
If it’s the major conferences, killing the PAC gives the SEC and B10 significantly more power. 
Of course, the B10 and SEC could decide to market their own playoff to the networks,…and the networks will buy it. We will then have a FBS tier 1 playoff and a tier 2 playoff (for Big XII, PAC, ACC and G5). 

Its the CFP.   Right now its all FBS conferences getting some say but the P5 have the most.   They'll still have multiple conferences involved to avoid anti-trust issues, but whoever is left standing of the P5 will call the shots.

[Hurtlocker 2212]

Big Ten Hopes to Earn at Least $1.5B Annually in Media Rights Deal

 

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Before USC and UCLA announced they would join the Big Ten in 2024, the conference was already on track to garner up to $1 billion annually in its new media rights deal. But after the addition, media partners were told to “go back to the drawing board,” Front Office Sports previously reported. 

Now, the Big Ten hopes to kick that number up by 50% to at least $1.5 billion annually, sources told Front Office Sports.

If the conference can pull this off, it could become the richest in all of college sports — with a media deal that dwarfs even that of the mighty Southeastern Conference.

That number also suggests USC and UCLA alone could have boosted the conference’s annual rights value by $500 million. The addition of the two mega-schools gives the Big Ten access to the Los Angeles TV market, the second-largest in the country behind New York.

These schools will certainly get their fair share — commissioner Kevin Warren previously said publicly that they’ll receive their full slice of media rights upon joining the conference.

The Big Ten told FOS that it “is grateful for the quality and quantity of potential media partners. At this time, it would be inappropriate to speculate during ongoing negotiations.”

Last week, Warren said publicly that the conference was finalizing negotiations.

The deal could include a conglomeration of the biggest networks, in addition to the Big Ten’s current partner in FOX, FOS reported. 

Warren has said he’s also excited about the creative elements of content delivery.

NBC, for its part, is making a play for the conference’s rights — which it sees as the “perfect one-two punch” to Notre Dame football.

While it can’t offer the cash of its competitors, NBC is offering to make the Big Ten the “NFL” of college football by creating a complement to “Sunday Night Football” with Saturday night prime-time Big Ten matchups.

Meanwhile, there’s growing frustration over the role of Fox Sports in the Big Ten media rights negotiations. Fox is the conference’s primary TV partner and part-owner of the Big Ten Network. Fox executives are directly involved in the negotiations.

Rival sports TV executives from the likes of NBC, ESPN, and CBS are uncomfortable submitting financial bids and sharing information in front of rival sports TV executives. 

“So who do you think is going to get the best game matchups? Fox,” said one source. “Bottom line, Fox is watching out for Fox, not the Big Ten.”

The Big Ten’s current deal pays around $440 million each year. 

 

[LTbear 4168]

[Hagbard Celine 10859]

15 hours ago, notre dame joe said:

I will once ND forms a conference and then leaves it to play in the diet NFL.

sorry, sir.  my turntable obliterates your repartee.  no future tense for you.  you are hereby pronounced guilty of using a chewbacca projection attack.

[Deej 76768]

Give notre dame joe a break. He hasn't been right in the head since that priest bent him over and lifted his altar boy robes. 

[FartingDreamer 138]

26 minutes ago, Deej said:

Give notre dame joe a break. He hasn't been right in the head since that priest bent him over and lifted his altar boy robes. 

Give the priest a break, he was either on sabbatical.... or Sebastian one of the alter boys... I don't care how big his pipe organ is, I don't want to see it.  

[DFW Horn 6123]

Rutgers football. It's a B1G deal in NJ!

 

[FartingDreamer 138]

3 minutes ago, DFW Horn said:

Rutgers football. It's a B1G deal in NJ!

 

Yet, they somehow bring the NJ/NYC market!!  (bullshit)

[DFW Horn 6123]

1 minute ago, FartingDreamer said:

Yet, they somehow bring the NJ/NYC market!!  (bullshit)

Rutgers prez must've had a photo of Delany humping a farm animal. 

[Hurtlocker 2212]

5 minutes ago, FartingDreamer said:

Yet, they somehow bring the NJ/NYC market!!  (bullshit)

it's not that they "bring" it, it's that they reside within it

[Horn Dog 9844]

21 minutes ago, DFW Horn said:

Rutgers football. It's a B1G deal in NJ!

 

that $99 is for 2 tix plus parking so you really are only paying $25 a tix.  Personally i would take. The 2 yankees tix, 2 hotdogs, and 2 drinks for the same price

Edited August 5, 2022 by Horn Dog

['stache 21813]

I thought it was that they would pay you $99 to watch Rutgers play football. I can’t imagine anyone would pay to attend. I mean they’re about to make $100 million a year for simply existing in New Jersey. They can afford it.

Edited August 5, 2022 by 'stache

[Hurtlocker 2212]

10 hours ago, DFW Horn said:

Rutgers football. It's a B1G deal in NJ!

 

They're not alone:

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On Costco’s website, under the “sports events” section, it shows six teams from the college football and pro soccer world, who have tickets for sale. It’s important to note that while you are eventually obtaining two tickets, you’re actually buying an eVoucher from Costco. You will then redeem that eVoucher on a different site for two tickets to an available home game for that team.

From college football, you can buy an eVoucher that allows you to get two tickets to home games for the Louisville Cardinals (south end zone for $69.99), Fresno State Bulldogs (premium bench for $74.99), and Rutgers Scarlet Knights (lower level sideline for $99.99). From soccer, you can go to home games for USL’s Orange County SC (field MVP for $59.99), USL’s Sacramento Republic FC (field level north including private field club access for $129.99), and MLS‘ D.C. United (sideline for $59.99).

While those options are available online, some people have noticed that you can buy tickets in-store, including for the South Carolina Gamecocks.

 

[Texzilla58 4735]

Arkansas will always be our Enemy! At the 40th anniversary of the ‘63 Team” my Dad, of all former players in attendance, was asked to describe what it meant to be a Longhorn! In front of all, as well as DKR and Frank Broyels!


Asked by the local media afterwards of why DKR chose to have my Dad speak at that banquet, he said if he’d have forty of him (Mickey Riggs), he’d never lost a game!

TSB!

Hook’em!

A kinder gentler time in the SWC. Frank and DKR were close personal friends and fierce golf rivals.

[Tomatillo 354]

On 7/30/2022 at 6:33 PM, DFW Horn said:

Nebraska

What, then, would Ok State or K State be? Or Iowa St?

[Gidnik 3268]

[bullet 1596]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaafb/28-days-to-kansas-football-source-of-realignment-chatter-tells-all/ar-AA10mO09

Saw this link on another board.  Theme is that nothing is happening right now, but there is a misinformation campaign.

"...Your first thought might be that of course random fans on Twitter are going to keep talking about it. It's fascinating to speculate and debate what the real "best" moves are when there isn't a clear cut answer. And if the conversations were limited to random Twitter accounts or message board rumors, then this wouldn't be a story at all.

Instead, the vast majority of the speculation is being fed by two writers who cover the Pac 12 and have been part of what seems to be a coordinated media push to promote a conference that is on the brink of a real crisis. But while Stewart Mandel seems to have moved on after his article containing the TV viewer numbers comparisons that have been debunked quite convincingly since, John Canzano and Jon Wilner are still beating the drum of the supposed Pac 12 supremacy....

 

The most obvious reason for the continued focus on discounting the Big 12 as a destination for Pac 12 schools is that there is real worry among the people most invested in the survival of the league. That was most evident in the comments from George Kliavkoff at Pac 12 Media Days. His repeated reference to the Big 12 and the false bravado about poaching some of those schools to join the conference was not unexpected, but it was surprising how many times that particular topic came up, even unprompted by reporter's questions.

And since then, the stories and misinformation have intensified. Since the release of the severely flawed TV viewers analysis, there have been multiple indirect references to this information as support for why the Pac 12 schools are more valuable than their Big 12 counterparts. Estimates of the value of a potential TV contract have been dismissed as invalid. Even though the exclusive negotiating window for the Pac 12 media rights has expired, some reporters would have you believe that school officials have not been made aware of an offer from ESPN. This is despite reports of just how low that offer really was.

To put it simply, the bits of information being reported are damaging for the Pac 12 if they are true...."

 

[Guest]

They doesth protest too profusely?

[Mitch Cumsteen 18549]

This whole big 12 vs pac thing has a massive tallest midget vibe. Who gives a fuck at this point? Let's just find a resolution and move on already. Merge, dissolve, migrate, add, come, stay, lay, or pray, whatever. Nobody is winning this pissing match. Everybody is fighting for the scraps. Divvy it up as best you can and proceed accordingly. 

[camel at sea 589]

3 hours ago, bullet said:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaafb/28-days-to-kansas-football-source-of-realignment-chatter-tells-all/ar-AA10mO09

Saw this link on another board.  Theme is that nothing is happening right now, but there is a misinformation campaign.

"...Your first thought might be that of course random fans on Twitter are going to keep talking about it. It's fascinating to speculate and debate what the real "best" moves are when there isn't a clear cut answer. And if the conversations were limited to random Twitter accounts or message board rumors, then this wouldn't be a story at all.

Instead, the vast majority of the speculation is being fed by two writers who cover the Pac 12 and have been part of what seems to be a coordinated media push to promote a conference that is on the brink of a real crisis. But while Stewart Mandel seems to have moved on after his article containing the TV viewer numbers comparisons that have been debunked quite convincingly since, John Canzano and Jon Wilner are still beating the drum of the supposed Pac 12 supremacy....

 

The most obvious reason for the continued focus on discounting the Big 12 as a destination for Pac 12 schools is that there is real worry among the people most invested in the survival of the league. That was most evident in the comments from George Kliavkoff at Pac 12 Media Days. His repeated reference to the Big 12 and the false bravado about poaching some of those schools to join the conference was not unexpected, but it was surprising how many times that particular topic came up, even unprompted by reporter's questions.

And since then, the stories and misinformation have intensified. Since the release of the severely flawed TV viewers analysis, there have been multiple indirect references to this information as support for why the Pac 12 schools are more valuable than their Big 12 counterparts. Estimates of the value of a potential TV contract have been dismissed as invalid. Even though the exclusive negotiating window for the Pac 12 media rights has expired, some reporters would have you believe that school officials have not been made aware of an offer from ESPN. This is despite reports of just how low that offer really was.

To put it simply, the bits of information being reported are damaging for the Pac 12 if they are true...."

 

It's nice to see this pretty obvious PR campaign by alleged journalists being called out by a national writer.  

[bullet 1596]

And its funny that a Utah writer basically reprinted Wilner's article but deliberately left out the part about the Big 12 GOR and exit fees making it difficult to poach Big 12 schools.  That part in Wilner's article was right before a statement that if they couldn't get Big 12 schools, then SDSU looked best.

So the Utah guy was doing propaganda even more than Wilner.  He didn't want his readers to see the idea that the Big 12 was hard to poach.

[LTbear 4168]

3 hours ago, Mitch Cumsteen said:

This whole big 12 vs pac thing has a massive tallest midget vibe. Who gives a fuck at this point? 

Probably Big XII and PAC fans, cumstain. It's about all this thread is now, so if it's not your cup of tea, there's plenty of other threads to busy yourself with.

[closetohumping 17441]

5 hours ago, Mitch Cumsteen said:

This whole big 12 vs pac thing has a massive tallest midget vibe. Who gives a fuck at this point? Let's just find a resolution and move on already. Merge, dissolve, migrate, add, come, stay, lay, or pray, whatever. Nobody is winning this pissing match. Everybody is fighting for the scraps. Divvy it up as best you can and proceed accordingly. 

Yep. There will be a merger of some sort.  Call it the big pac and be done 

[closetohumping 17441]

1 hour ago, LTbear said:

Probably Big XII and PAC fans, cumstain. It's about all this thread is now, so if it's not your cup of tea, there's plenty of other threads to busy yourself with.

Hey look, a baylor fan, on a Texas board telling a Texas fan to get fucked.  Cum stain?   Gotta be a Rapelor joke in there somewhere 

[TrashMaster G 17554]

22 minutes ago, closetohumping said:

Yep. There will be a merger of some sort.  Call it the big pac and be done 

Merge the two. Have an Upper Divison and a Lower Division. Do your own Relegation/Promotion annually. Make a BIG deal out of it. Call the Winner of the Upper Divison the Conference Champion.

If you can't compete with the B1G and SEC, differentiate yourself.

[LTbear 4168]

20 minutes ago, closetohumping said:

Hey look, a baylor fan, on a Texas board telling a Texas fan to get fucked.  Cum stain?   Gotta be a Rapelor joke in there somewhere 

His name is Cumsteen. Untwist your panties big fella. 

Edited August 7, 2022 by LTbear

[Mitch Cumsteen 18549]

2 hours ago, LTbear said:

Probably Big XII and PAC fans, cumstain. It's about all this thread is now, so if it's not your cup of tea, there's plenty of other threads to busy yourself with.

Look man, don't kill the messenger. There's a lot of posturing right now between these two conferences, but it's all bullshit. Whatever articles and Twitter analysis and grenades lobbed by conference commissioners are all irrelevant. The networks are going to determine who plays who and where, and for how much. I just wish they would get on with it already. 

Or since you're a Baylor fan, let me put it into terms that you can better relate to, "if it's inevitable, just sit back, relax, and enjoy it." 

[LTbear 4168]

8 minutes ago, Mitch Cumsteen said:

Look man, don't kill the messenger. There's a lot of posturing right now between these two conferences, but it's all bullshit. Whatever articles and Twitter analysis and grenades lobbed by conference commissioners are all irrelevant. The networks are going to determine who plays who and where, and for how much. I just wish they would get on with it already. 

Or since you're a Baylor fan, let me put it into terms that you can better relate to, "if it's inevitable, just sit back, relax, and enjoy it." 

Son, you just spent way too many words writing common sense that everyone on this thread. But since you're a Texas fan, I guess you thought you were writing something of substance? 

[Mitch Cumsteen 18549]

3 minutes ago, LTbear said:

Son, you just spent way too many words writing common sense that everyone on this thread. But since you're a Texas fan, I guess you thought you were writing something of substance? 

Fair enough. I'm going to bow out of this thread until something actually happens. This was the worst thread on shaggy and it continues to be the worst thread here, full of inane speculation, wish casting, delusion, and full bore idiots. My apologies for inserting common sense into it. Feel free to enjoy the debate over whether Iowa State is a bigger TV draw than Arizona, the brilliant insider tweets from some dipshit in west Virginia, and masturbatory visions of 24 team conferences (that your team ain't getting into). I'm out. 

[bullet 1596]

Some Utah guy was interviewing the former Fox president who has been quoted a lot by the Pac folks.  Main thing new was when he was asked about whether BYU's 1984 title was valuable.  He said TV people have short memories, 10 years or so.  Nobody talks about BYU 1984 or CU 1990.

 

I do think conferences care because it shows potential, but I guess most viewers are not hard core fans and don't care.  And if TV execs are doing 5-6 year contracts, they would be interested in what you can do now, not what you will do in a dozen years.

[LTbear 4168]

1 minute ago, Mitch Cumsteen said:

 Feel free to enjoy the debate over whether Iowa State is a bigger TV draw than Arizona, the brilliant insider tweets from some dipshit in west Virginia

Oh don't worry, we will. 

[bullet 1596]

1 minute ago, Mitch Cumsteen said:

Fair enough. I'm going to bow out of this thread until something actually happens. This was the worst thread on shaggy and it continues to be the worst thread here, full of inane speculation, wish casting, delusion, and full bore idiots. My apologies for inserting common sense into it. Feel free to enjoy the debate over whether Iowa State is a bigger TV draw than Arizona, the brilliant insider tweets from some dipshit in west Virginia, and masturbatory visions of 24 team conferences (that your team ain't getting into). I'm out. 

Sounds a whole lot better than most threads on Shaggy/Surly!

[TKthunder2 4991]

5 minutes ago, Mitch Cumsteen said:

Fair enough. I'm going to bow out of this thread until something actually happens. This was the worst thread on shaggy and it continues to be the worst thread here, full of inane speculation, wish casting, delusion, and full bore idiots. My apologies for inserting common sense into it. Feel free to enjoy the debate over whether Iowa State is a bigger TV draw than Arizona, the brilliant insider tweets from some dipshit in west Virginia, and masturbatory visions of 24 team conferences (that your team ain't getting into). I'm out. 

PAC10+Big12=22+SDSU+Boise=24

[camel at sea 589]

5 hours ago, bullet said:

And its funny that a Utah writer basically reprinted Wilner's article but deliberately left out the part about the Big 12 GOR and exit fees making it difficult to poach Big 12 schools.  That part in Wilner's article was right before a statement that if they couldn't get Big 12 schools, then SDSU looked best.

So the Utah guy was doing propaganda even more than Wilner.  He didn't want his readers to see the idea that the Big 12 was hard to poach.

Utah is going to have to play its realignment hand really carefully. Their fans over-value their football program's place in the national pecking order and they're extremely prideful about not wanting to join a league where BYU is a member.  Their fans are susceptible to "we might get a Big Ten invite" PR stuff, which will make the selling of practical decision-making hard on their admins. 

That said... if they play things in the wrong way, they're in G5 oblivion.  If Zona and CU join the Big 12 next year, and Utah rides it out in the PAC, they might not have an acceptable landing spot if or when Oregon and Washington leave.  Ten years from now, or whenever it all goes down, the Big 12 might decide ASU and SDSU make the most sense as #15/#16 and Utah could be left behind.    

[camel at sea 589]

13 minutes ago, bullet said:

Some Utah guy was interviewing the former Fox president who has been quoted a lot by the Pac folks.  Main thing new was when he was asked about whether BYU's 1984 title was valuable.  He said TV people have short memories, 10 years or so.  Nobody talks about BYU 1984 or CU 1990.

 

I do think conferences care because it shows potential, but I guess most viewers are not hard core fans and don't care.  And if TV execs are doing 5-6 year contracts, they would be interested in what you can do now, not what you will do in a dozen years.

I don't know if people care about the '84 natty, but I think most casual fans recognize BYU's helmet right away when they see it on the TV screen.  Their national brand is relatively good.  If you go back about 50 years, they've won almost 70% of their games, been ranked a lot, etc.  

[billfromlaketravis 11466]

The only people that know BYU won a national championship in 1984 are BYU fans and college football almanac nerds.  
 

 

[FartingDreamer 138]

44 minutes ago, camel at sea said:

Utah is going to have to play its realignment hand really carefully. Their fans over-value their football program's place in the national pecking order and they're extremely prideful about not wanting to join a league where BYU is a member.  Their fans are susceptible to "we might get a Big Ten invite" PR stuff, which will make the selling of practical decision-making hard on their admins. 

That said... if they play things in the wrong way, they're in G5 oblivion.  If Zona and CU join the Big 12 next year, and Utah rides it out in the PAC, they might not have an acceptable landing spot if or when Oregon and Washington leave.  Ten years from now, or whenever it all goes down, the Big 12 might decide ASU and SDSU make the most sense as #15/#16 and Utah could be left behind.    

I'm kind of  torn on this, on one hand, I'd love to see Utah get left out in the G5 cold to fade back into irrelevance and obscurity, on the other hand though, the intense BYU/Utah Holy War rivalry would add a boost to the conference, especially around Thanksgiving and boost the overall credibility of the Big 12 as a power conference.  

[Sandbagging Steve 982]

51 minutes ago, bullet said:

Some Utah guy was interviewing the former Fox president who has been quoted a lot by the Pac folks.  Main thing new was when he was asked about whether BYU's 1984 title was valuable.  He said TV people have short memories, 10 years or so.  Nobody talks about BYU 1984 or CU 1990.

 

I do think conferences care because it shows potential, but I guess most viewers are not hard core fans and don't care.  And if TV execs are doing 5-6 year contracts, they would be interested in what you can do now, not what you will do in a dozen years.

I think that former executive has shown to be a little biased toward the PAC in his responses. When looking at history, I think it does come into play. It's just one of many variables. I think ESPN's bottom line was hurt during realignment chaos over a decade ago. As much as they want these moves, in the sort term it hurts their bottom line. No company likes that much chaos/surprises in the middle of a contract. The networks want to eventually get all this realignment out of the way to create stable conferences in the future. Like-minded athletic programs playing against like-minded programs  Looking at more than just a short period of success when expanding is one factor in creating that stability. 

[FartingDreamer 138]

Why not use the old BCS formula for deciding the teams and the seeding and get rid of the committee bullshit?

[Frieda’s Boss 181]

4 hours ago, billfromlaketravis said:

The only people that know BYU won a national championship in 1984 are BYU fans and college football almanac nerds.  

Washington fans sure do

[FartingDreamer 138]

3 hours ago, Frieda’s Boss said:

Washington fans sure do

...and Oklahoma fans.  They were the other team that season. in the running, hence Barry Switzer's "Bo Didley Tech" comment.  

[LTbear 4168]

11 hours ago, camel at sea said:

Utah is going to have to play its realignment hand really carefully. Their fans over-value their football program's place in the national pecking order and they're extremely prideful about not wanting to join a league where BYU is a member.  Their fans are susceptible to "we might get a Big Ten invite" PR stuff, which will make the selling of practical decision-making hard on their admins. 

That said... if they play things in the wrong way, they're in G5 oblivion.  If Zona and CU join the Big 12 next year, and Utah rides it out in the PAC, they might not have an acceptable landing spot if or when Oregon and Washington leave.  Ten years from now, or whenever it all goes down, the Big 12 might decide ASU and SDSU make the most sense as #15/#16 and Utah could be left behind.    

As a fan, Utah is one of the teams I'd most enjoy seeing join the Big XII (regionality and rivalries is essentially all I care about). But ya, that BYU is already here may make it a bit more precarious for them. I don't know enough Utah fans to have a sense, but I wonder if there's also some aversion to "following" BYU anywhere.

[Hagbard Celine 10859]

utah + byu builds a fortress at the northwest corner of the big12, like the black gate of mordor

colorado, arizona and asu can roll the dice if they wish, but there are plenty of people looking for a lifeboat in the east

take utah and boise state too, or if colorado wants to wallow in their misery, take colorado state

lock down every big market that you can

attack the #3 position because you're not moving up - take $10m less per year by sharing the wealth, and guarantee 10-15 years of stability

it is certain at this point that there will be big names in the west without a chair when the music stops

the 4 corners schools lock in the big12 as the solid #3

kstate, isu, are you listening?   yes, klan aggy and purdue don't deserve to make twice what you do, but there is a time to consolidate and lock down what you have

[LTbear 4168]

10 minutes ago, Hagbard Celine said:

 

take utah and boise state too

I'm sure I'm in the minority, but I wouldn't mind Boise. They've built a semi-intense and usually fun rivalry with BYU. They're also closer to me than any other existing or potential Big XII team (though still 7+ hours away).

[BurntOrange&White 39931]

9 hours ago, FartingDreamer said:

Why not use the old BCS formula for deciding the teams and the seeding and get rid of the committee bullshit?

The BCS formula and computers have calculated the same 4 teams as the committee every year since the inception of the playoff. 

[BurntOrange&White 39931]

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