Realignment talk not going away

[mdmost 43002]

Nebraska has done a series with both OU and Colorado since they left for the Big 10. WVU and Pitt reignited their series. Kansas and Mizzou have a 4 game series scheduled. 

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13 minutes ago, statsman said:

I don’t know that any school exiting a conference has played many games afterwards against one of the abandoned conference mates. Texas v. Arkansas (four games?) as much as any. 

We've played Rice a number of times.  TCU continues to play SMU.

[bullet 1597]

This is hilarious. And it reads like a propaganda piece as well. No lie is to big to tell.

Greg Swaim-move over-Canzano is the leader in the clubhouse.

"...In the talk, Kliavkoff spoke candidly about his relationships with other commissioners. He believes UCLA will lose money — not make it — by going to the Big Ten....

Kliavkoff sounded confident the Pac-12 won’t lose any of the 10 remaining conference members to the Big Ten or Big 12. I mean, he sounded rock-solid certain. It dovetails with what conference athletic directors have said to me over the last couple of months, but I was still a little surprised at the level of unwavering confidence he expressed...."

 

https://www.johncanzano.com/p/canzano-pac-12-commissioner-breaks

[Mitch Cumsteen 18549]

2 hours ago, 'stache said:

Bedlam is the highest profile game for OU after the RRR. It has drawn great ratings for a reason. I suspect it'll be like UT-aggy. They'll find a way to make it work after a decade or so.

Bedlam WAS the highest profile game for OU after the RRR. It sure as shit won't be after joining the SEC. Pick any of Bama, Auburn, Georgia, Florida, Tennessee, A&M, Arkansas and LSU... and each one will be higher profile than Bedlam. I'm sorry, that's just they way it is. 

And UT-ATM didn't find a way to make it work. ATM is getting dragged into the game kicking and screaming. 

[notre dame joe 187]

4 hours ago, mdmost said:

So Gundy might win one more game each year now. Smart move.  Straight up pussy shit from both schools. OU wants a cheap buy a win now. Both schools can keep playing. They just prefer the cash they'll get from some shitty opponent ensuring a home game each year over trading off hosting a rivalry game. 

 

 

33 minutes ago, mdmost said:

Nebraska has done a series with both OU and Colorado since they left for the Big 10. WVU and Pitt reignited their series. Kansas and Mizzou have a 4 game series scheduled. 

Yeah one and done once every 20 years or so; just like any other OOC where they rattle off the history during a gameplay break.  Is there an app that will bump the 100 or so times I told the Sooners that changing conferences kills the old rivalry?

[The Dog 44056]

 

[LTbear 4170]

Kliavkoff just really believes no one else can do math I guess

 

 

 

[camel at sea 589]

50 minutes ago, notre dame joe said:

 

Yeah one and done once every 20 years or so; just like any other OOC where they rattle off the history during a gameplay break.  Is there an app that will bump the 100 or so times I told the Sooners that changing conferences kills the old rivalry?

Clemson and South Carolina play annually. So do Georgia Tech and Georgia.  Pitt and WVU scheduled 8 games between 2022 and 2032.  TCU nearly always plays SMU.  It's entirely possible to continue playing a rivalry game after conference realignment.  My guess is that at some point, Oklahoma State will come around.  

 

[thunderlounge 7837]

38 minutes ago, LTbear said:

Kliavkoff just really believes no one else can do math I guess

 

 

 

That is just pure regardedness right there. UCLA is going to burn $60M+ annually on travel?

 

 

[LTbear 4170]

4 minutes ago, thunderlounge said:

That is just pure regardedness right there. UCLA is going to burn $60M+ annually on travel?

 

 

Recently saw that actor on a commercial where he's basically taken over for Billie Mays and I have never seen a more perfect fit for a role. 

[Hurtlocker 2212]

Here's the full article:

'Nobody's going anywhere': George Kliavkoff rebuffs idea of Arizona, ASU, 2 others leaving for Big 12

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The remaining Pac-12 schools are sticking together, not leaving for the Big 12 or Big Ten. Expansion of the playoff could change the financial calculus of realignment, and UCLA will lose money by going into the Big Ten.

Those were among the insights offered by Pac-12 commissioner George Kliavkoff in his first public comments in two months as he works to craft a media rights contract that meets the needs of the 10 universities remaining in the conference.

“I think (they) will sign a grant-of-rights agreement if we put the right agreement in front of them, which is why we’re spending so much time focused on getting an agreement that will allow all of our schools not just to compete but to thrive,’’ Kliavkoff said during his appearance Monday evening on "Canzano and Wilner: The Podcast."

In his first interview since Pac-12 football media day on July 29, Kliavkoff declined to provide a specific timeline for a broadcast agreement or address potential network partners in the aftermath of USC and UCLA. (ESPN and Amazon are believed to be interested in Pac-12 football and basketball.)

Instead, he indicated the conference is under no pressure to make a decision and expressed confidence that Oregon and Washington weren’t leaving for the Big Ten. If the Pacific Northwest powers were following USC and UCLA into that league, Kliavkoff said, they would "already" have joined.

He also stood by his comments from July that the so-called Four Corners schools — Arizona, ASU, Colorado and Utah — weren’t planning to jump into the Big 12.

"I don’t feel, candidly, any sense of urgency at this point," he said of completing a media deal. "No one’s going anywhere; we’re all together; we’re focused on doing this."

When asked to respond to a media report last week that the Pac-12 and ESPN were “hundreds of millions of dollars apart,” Kliavkoff noted the series of attempts to “destabilize” the conference since June 30, when USC and UCLA announced their departures to the Big Ten.

"At this point, our 10 schools are completely focused on the future and being together … It’s now almost a running joke at our board meetings: ‘What’s the latest nonsense that someone has thrown against the wall and seeing whether someone will report?”’

The wide-ranging conversation with Kliavkoff addressed a bevy of hot-button topics, including:

• The timeline for potential Pac-12 expansion.

• His reaction to the Big Ten’s media rights deal.

• The future of the Pac-12 Networks.

• The impact of College Football Playoff expansion.

• His relationships with Big 12 commissioner Brett Yormark and the Big Ten’s Kevin Warren.

Kliavkoff offered a detailed assessment of UCLA’s planned move to the Big Ten in the summer of 2024, which is a topic for discussion at the University of California’s Board of Regents meeting on Thursday.

Several regents, including Gov. Gavin Newsom, have expressed concern about the impact of the move on the athletes and on Cal’s annual revenue from the Pac-12.

According to the UC general counsel, Charlie Robinson, the regents have the authority to revoke UCLA’s move. Whether they plan to act on that right is unclear.

"There’s a couple of key reasons why we think overturning the decision would not be a bad idea," Kliavkoff said.

He cited the mental and physical impact of cross-country competitions on the players and the increased travel and administrative costs associated with Big Ten membership.

"We think the incremental money they are going to receive from the Big Ten’s media rights deal will be more than 100% offset by additional expenses, so you end up taking the money you earned and it goes to airline and charter companies and coaches and administrators," Kliavkoff said. "It doesn’t go to supporting the student-athletes. And obviously, there’s the negative impact on Cal that I’m sure the regents will take into account when they are considering this."

(UCLA did not immediately respond to a request for comment.)

Without campuses in the massive Los Angeles market, the Pac-12’s media revenue could be cut by $10 million per school (or more) in the next contract cycle.

But according to sources, UCLA has run the numbers and believes membership in the Big Ten will be a financial boon for the debt-strapped athletic department. The Bruins expect to receive approximately $70 million annually in media rights revenue in their new home, in addition to significant shares of postseason revenue.

Exactly how much they would collect staying in the Pac-12 is debatable. Some industry sources believe it could be $35-40 million; others believe it would be more.

Would the added travel and administrative expenses offset the $25 million (approximately) disparity? The cost of chartered flights for all UCLA teams likely would not exceed $10 million.

The unknown in any financial projection is the potential for the UC regents to require the Bruins to subsidize Cal for the lost media rights revenue.

While such a move would be unprecedented in the UC system — and seems unlikely — it cannot be dismissed given comments last month during the regents’ meeting at UCLA.

"I’m very concerned about the financial impact to Cal-Berkeley," regent Tony Thurmond, "and to make sure whatever new revenue might be achieved" — by UCLA’s membership in the Big Ten — "envisions a scenario to help offset (Cal’s) need."

Kliavkoff did not divulge specifics of the financial modeling at the heart of his conclusion.

"We are sure they are financially better off staying," he said, "and we are sure there was no other criteria in the decision, other than financial."

[TrashMaster G 17557]

3 hours ago, bullet said:

This is hilarious. And it reads like a propaganda piece as well. No lie is to big to tell.

Greg Swaim-move over-Canzano is the leader in the clubhouse.

"...In the talk, Kliavkoff spoke candidly about his relationships with other commissioners. He believes UCLA will lose money — not make it — by going to the Big Ten....

Kliavkoff sounded confident the Pac-12 won’t lose any of the 10 remaining conference members to the Big Ten or Big 12. I mean, he sounded rock-solid certain. It dovetails with what conference athletic directors have said to me over the last couple of months, but I was still a little surprised at the level of unwavering confidence he expressed...."

 

https://www.johncanzano.com/p/canzano-pac-12-commissioner-breaks

[Trojan Man 429]

1 hour ago, Hurtlocker said:

Here's the full article:

'Nobody's going anywhere': George Kliavkoff rebuffs idea of Arizona, ASU, 2 others leaving for Big 12

I'm counting down all 680 days left until USC joins a legitimate conference with a respected leader and is no longer affiliated with this dumbass and his Little League conference.  Actually that's an insult to Little League baseball because the LLWS is on a channel people can watch at a time the entire country is awake, unlike 3-0 USC's game this weekend at 3-0 Oregon State.

[billfromlaketravis 11485]

I’m here for the Oklahoma finger pointing. Aggy is still trying to litigate Texas killed the Thanksgiving Game, and it’a been 11 years. Who killed Bedlam will be the central debate in every methadone clinic in Oklahoma for decades to come. 
 

Oklahoma State should welcome not getting their ass kicked almost every year. Aggy has certainly enjoyed themselves in the past decade. 

[Deej 76797]

24 minutes ago, billfromlaketravis said:

Aggy is still trying to litigate Texas killed the Thanksgiving Game

aggy BIL still tries to convince me Texas killed it because of unequal revenue sharing. Hahahaha....you mean the share aggy unreservedly received that was equal to Texas'?

[Hurtlocker 2212]

Streaming updates:

‘TNF’ Draws Record Prime Subscriptions for Amazon

• Amazon has exclusive rights to "Thursday Night Football" as part of an 11-year deal worth $1 billion annually.
• Its first "Thursday Night Football" broadcast drew a record prime-time audience for the streaming service in the U.S..

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Amazon’s media deal with the NFL is already paying off.

Prime Video broadcast its first “Thursday Night Football” game last week as part of an exclusive 11-year deal worth an annual $1 billion.

The game, which saw the Kansas City Chiefs outduel the Los Angeles Chargers, fetched a record number of Prime subscriptions, according to a staff note from Jay Marine, Amazon’s vice president in charge of Prime Video.

The game brought in more Prime sign-ups over a three-hour period than any other day — including Cyber Monday, Black Friday, and Prime Day.

Prime costs $139 annually.

Marine also said the game drew a record primetime audience for the service in the U.S.

Amazon was targeting 12.5 million viewers per game. “Thursday Night Football” averaged 13.2 million viewers in its last season on Fox.

“While we’re still waiting for official Nielsen ratings, our measurement shows that the audience numbers exceeded all of our expectations for viewership,” Marine said. 

Amazon has a three-year deal with Nielsen, which marks the first time Nielsen will include ratings from a streaming service in its weekly television-viewing report.

“By every measure, ‘Thursday Night Football’ on Prime Video was a resounding success,” Marine added.

Prime’s Production Plans

“TNF” executive producer Fred Gaudelli has grand designs for Amazon’s NFL deal.

“I want to be better than ‘Sunday Night Football,’” Gaudelli said. “We have Al [Michaels], we have Kirk [Herbstreit]. There isn’t any real reason that our broadcast shouldn’t be as good as anyone else’s, and hopefully better.”

Conference realignment: Amazon interest may affect Big Ten, Big 12, Pac-12 composition as talks continue

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Amazon has emerged as a significant party in college football media rights talks and therefore may become a player in further conference realignment, CBS Sports has learned. The technology giant has been linked to all three conferences that figure to come to resolutions on conference composition in the coming months given its interest in the Big Ten, Big 12 and Pac-12, according to industry sources.

The issue is quality of available content. While Big Ten commissioner Kevin Warren remains interested in adding Pac-12 teams, his top games have already been distributed elsewhere after the league signed a new media rights deal with CBS, Fox and NBC last month.

Amazon finds itself in a situation where it is likely weighing whether to buy top-tier games from the Big 12 and/or Pac-12 compared to lower-profile options from the Big Ten. The Big 12 and Pac-12 are already in competition seeking new media rights deals with Fox and ESPN believed to be the primary bidders.

How many games would Amazon want and at what expense? There is still skepticism within the industry about the viability of major live sports events that are only made available through streaming services.

"Streaming is going to continue to grow," one industry source told CBS Sports, "but there is a reason why the NFL is still [largely] on network television."

Another industry source surmised that, in further expansion, there would be no Big Ten games available for Amazon involving the most attractive teams (think Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State). That reality would have to be considered against top Big 12 games such as Oklahoma State-Cincinnati and Houston-Texas Tech. Are those games more desirable than downstream Big Ten content?

In a historic deal finalized last month, the Big Ten's entire package of football games -- approximately 112 per year -- is now spoken for across CBS, Fox and NBC beginning in 2023. Games will also air on FS1, Big Ten Network and Peacock with CBS games simulcast on Paramount+.

However, Amazon getting involved with college football could change the paradigm. The platform would surely use its NFL "Thursday Night Football" package to promote college games on Saturday and vice versa. Warren was known to be previously interested in getting a major streamer involved in that existing Big Ten deal.

If Amazon wants to join the Big Ten party, doing so would require the conference to expand beyond its forthcoming additions of USC and UCLA. California, Oregon, Stanford and Washington would create more inventory, but at what cost? The Big Ten's decision makers -- and its new rightsholders -- have shown little interest in expanding the league beyond 16 teams as any additional programs would not hold equal value.  

The likes of Indiana, Maryland, Minnesota, Purdue and Rutgers would be unlikely to support expansion. It's some of their games that would largely be placed on Amazon if the conference grows further.

That doesn't mean Big Ten expansion is a dead topic. Oregon and Washington have reportedly met with Big Ten officials, according to Stadium. Warren only has to convince his presidents, who are responsible for the purse strings. He could be selling them on a 20-team Big Ten that would be positioned as the biggest, best academic and athletic conference ever.

Would Amazon be interested in being part of that?

A tech giant streamer arriving in the college media rights space has long been a subject of speculation. In other words, when would it make sense financially for FBS conferences and a major streamer to partner? Apparently not yet. Amazon reportedly bid more for the Big Ten's 3:30 p.m. and primetime windows than other Big Ten suitors, according to The Athletic. If the Big Ten indeed turned down such an offer, the concerns were likely distribution and visibility.

The consensus among industry experts is that streaming remains "on the come" as a platform for college rights. That's why the Big Ten went big with broadcast partners CBS, Fox and NBC.

But that future is coming. Amazon's 11-year deal with the NFL for "Thursday Night Football" is reportedly worth $1 billion per season. Apple recently signed an 10-year deal with MLS for all its inventory at $250 million per year.

Approximately 85% of U.S. households have at least one streaming service. However, 85% isn't 100%.

The question remains: Is there enough desirable content in the Big Ten/Big 12/Pac-12 for Amazon to get involved? The Big Ten is attractive, suggested one insider, but is it that attractive?

"Otherwise, what's the point?" an industry source said. "That's why they bid on the NFL. They got high-level games."

California reviewing UCLA's Big Ten move

UCLA plan to align itself with the Big Ten will be reviewed by the University of California Board of Regents at a Wednesday meeting. Some regents -- and Gov. Gavin Newsom -- remain upset at the clandestine nature of UCLA's move. They found out about it around the same time the public did on June 30.

Sources tell CBS Sports there is a 1% chance UCLA will be compelled by the regents to stay in the Pac-12. More likely: UCLA will share revenue from its Big Ten deal with Cal to appease the regents.

Big Ten teams are estimated to be receiving $75 million annually beginning in 2023. The question remains: If Cal wants to go to the Big Ten with three other Pac-12 schools, would it be worth taking a reduced payout below the $75 million being received by UCLA but above a figure the Pac-12 can achieve in its new media rights deal?

Big 12/Pac-12 shootout

Big 12 commissioner Brett Yormark said publicly for the first time that his conference is looking toward the West Coast. "Obviously, going out West is where I would like to go," Yormark told The Athletic. "Entering that fourth time zone. A program that has national recognition. One that competes at the highest level in basketball and football, stands for the right things, is a good cultural fit."

Not that that was much of a surprise. CBS Sports reported early after USC and UCLA left for the Big Ten that the Big 12 desired Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado and Utah from the Pac-12.

It's not too hard to discern that Yormark was at least referring to Arizona in his remarks. The Big 12's potential in basketball -- which is "deeper" than the Pac-12, according to a media rights expert -- might tip the deal. Think of Big 12 basketball in expansion that could boast Arizona, Baylor, Cincinnati, Houston, Iowa State, Kansas and West Virginia.

The tug-of-war also continues over the so-called "fourth window" that ESPN desires for late-night Saturday programming. Will the Pac-12 be able to keep all its teams and that valuable fourth window, or will it have to share it with the Big 12?

Stay up late and stay tuned.

 

[notre dame joe 187]

13 hours ago, camel at sea said:

Clemson and South Carolina play annually. So do Georgia Tech and Georgia.  Pitt and WVU scheduled 8 games between 2022 and 2032.  TCU nearly always plays SMU.  It's entirely possible to continue playing a rivalry game after conference realignment.  My guess is that at some point, Oklahoma State will come around.  

 

We can discount conference changes that happened before there were conference tv contracts. 

[statsman 5471]

The Texas-TAMU dynamic is different. The programs recruit the same fields so much that they have to acknowledge each other. The situation has devolved into a stasis where neither program really wants to play the other, but the poorer recruiting one sees an opportunity in challenging the other to a game. 
 
I do think OU sees a reason to give OSU an OOC game, And OSU hopes to dominate the new Big XII and sees no reason to work all season for rankings and status only to give it up to OU late in the season. 

[YGIFS 19450]

Well I guess del Conte was right, they tried to make 2023 happen but things aren't looking good.  May have to wait until 2024 after all.  SEC schedule release reinforces that

[Pancho 44805]

21 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

Well I guess del Conte was right, they tried to make 2023 happen but things aren't looking good.  May have to wait until 2024 after all.  SEC schedule release reinforces that

[Aqua Buddha 14597]

2 hours ago, statsman said:

The Texas-TAMU dynamic is different. The programs recruit the same fields so much that they have to acknowledge each other. The situation has devolved into a stasis where neither program really wants to play the other, but the poorer recruiting one sees an opportunity in challenging the other to a game. 
 
I do think OU sees a reason to give OSU an OOC game, And OSU hopes to dominate the new Big XII and sees no reason to work all season for rankings and status only to give it up to OU late in the season. 

ESPN (who holds the future Big 12 contract) will make them play it and the local Stillwater business will pressure them as well.  That's basically the only guaranteed sellout they get every other year and it's a good TV game.  They won't throw that away because of OSU's bitch assedness.  

[bullet 1597]

1 hour ago, YGIFS said:

Well I guess del Conte was right, they tried to make 2023 happen but things aren't looking good.  May have to wait until 2024 after all.  SEC schedule release reinforces that

https://www.secsports.com/article/34632093/sec-releases-2023-football-schedule

Right.  I originally thought 2022 was unrealistic but 2023 was doable.  But its been clear for a while that the 2024 CBS/ESPN changeover in the SEC game of the week is the main target date.  2023 is not happening.

[bullet 1597]

https://www.sportsmediawatch.com/2022/09/penn-state-auburn-ratings-cbs-oklahoma-nebraska-fox-miami-texas-am-espn/

Interesting TV data:

"...In a rarity, ABC placed just eighth for its top game of the weekend, Michigan State-Washington on Saturday Night Football — down more than 60% from last year’s previously-mentioned Auburn-Penn State game. ABC also drew a 1.2 and 2.03 million for UConn-Michigan and a 0.8 and 1.39 million for Mississippi-Georgia Tech, also down double-digits.

The Mississippi State-Georgia Tech game actually drew a lower rating and fewer viewers than the late night Fresno State-USC game on FOX, which drew a 0.9 and 1.62 million...."

Maybe gives Pac 10 some hope the Big 10 isn't interested in making them the Pac 8 by taking UW, but also doesn't look good for their next TV deal.

 

[YGIFS 19450]

17 minutes ago, bullet said:

https://www.secsports.com/article/34632093/sec-releases-2023-football-schedule

Right.  I originally thought 2022 was unrealistic but 2023 was doable.  But its been clear for a while that the 2024 CBS/ESPN changeover in the SEC game of the week is the main target date.  2023 is not happening.

It was all the rage, and the plan, during chatter Spring Semester of 2022 on the 40.  They're still trying like hell to pull it off (and obviously SEC could realign the schedule, wouldn't be the first time) between now and Thanksgiving.  But it's not looking good anymore.  Well hey, we'll all get that last trip to Waco in one last time, amirite?  

['stache 21816]

1 hour ago, Aqua Buddha said:

ESPN (who holds the future Big 12 contract) will make them play it and the local Stillwater business will pressure them as well.  That's basically the only guaranteed sellout they get every other year and it's a good TV game.  They won't throw that away because of OSU's bitch assedness.  

Uh, we just sold out the Pine Bluff game. Capacity is 55k and last I looked we hadn’t been below 50k in any game (outside Covid year) since 2010. We sell out regularly. The bigger issue is tv ratings, it’s routinely our highest rated game. Our ratings are fucked anyway as I fully expect half our games to be on ESPN + after the new contract.

Edited September 21, 2022 by 'stache

[billfromlaketravis 11485]

That Big 12 2023 schedule is going to be fascinating in a very bad way for Texas. This is exactly what the Irate8 wanted. Prolong Texas/OU’s departure for as long as possible and soak every drop out of the sponge. But hey, UT painted themselves into a corner by letting ESPN drive the bus and not suing immediately after the Brent Z leak. 
 

Fans get screwed. The Tower, Bellmont, and ESPN don’t give a shit. Water is wet. 
 

Maalik better be ready next season. There is no way in hell Arch takes a snap in a Big 12 game. 

[Lou_Sassle 2875]

19 minutes ago, billfromlaketravis said:

That Big 12 2023 schedule is going to be fascinating in a very bad way for Texas. This is exactly what the Irate8 wanted. Prolong Texas/OU’s departure for as long as possible and soak every drop out of the sponge. But hey, UT painted themselves into a corner by letting ESPN drive the bus and not suing immediately after the Brent Z leak. 
 

Fans get screwed. The Tower, Bellmont, and ESPN don’t give a shit. Water is wet. 
 

Maalik better be ready next season. There is no way in hell Arch takes a snap in a Big 12 game. 

Well yeah.... I'm pretty sure the plan was always for him to redshirt next year. 

[derpyhorndog 2557]

24 minutes ago, billfromlaketravis said:

Maalik better be ready next season. There is no way in hell Arch takes a snap in a Big 12 game. 

L oh fucking L. GTFO. 

[billfromlaketravis 11485]

To clarify, I meant Maalik better be ready to back up Ewers. 
 

I fully expect Arch to redshirt. I thought that was understood. 

[derpyhorndog 2557]

7 minutes ago, billfromlaketravis said:

To clarify, I meant Maalik better be ready to back up Ewers. 
 

I fully expect Arch to redshirt. I thought that was understood. 

The response was directed at the premise that Manning would, hard stop, be unwilling to take a snap in a B12 contest, whether that's limited clean-up duty in 2023 or as presumed starter in 2024 (in unfortunate scenario where we are still in B12). 

[Not a Sock 2313]

55 minutes ago, billfromlaketravis said:

That Big 12 2023 schedule is going to be fascinating in a very bad way for Texas. This is exactly what the Irate8 wanted. Prolong Texas/OU’s departure for as long as possible and soak every drop out of the sponge. But hey, UT painted themselves into a corner by letting ESPN drive the bus and not suing immediately after the Brent Z leak. 
 

Fans get screwed. The Tower, Bellmont, and ESPN don’t give a shit. Water is wet. 
 

Maalik better be ready next season. There is no way in hell Arch takes a snap in a Big 12 game. 

This comment is a power slide into progressively stupid takes.

[camel at sea 589]

3 hours ago, Aqua Buddha said:

ESPN (who holds the future Big 12 contract) will make them play it and the local Stillwater business will pressure them as well.  That's basically the only guaranteed sellout they get every other year and it's a good TV game.  They won't throw that away because of OSU's bitch assedness.  

ESPN getting involved is probably the only way the series gets saved in the short term.  It would make a lot of sense for ESPN to improve the visibility of its (hypothetical) Big 12 investment with a slate of "rivalry week" games against the SEC, in the same way that they do that for the ACC.  

The key difference though seems to be that the ACC schools *want* to play that permanent OOC game.  But money talks.  Maybe we could see Disney orchestrate Kansas-Missouri, , Bedlam, and some slate of ex SWC match-ups.  

In the long term, I think if Oklahoma State stays at or near the top of the Big 12 for the next decade+, then the odds of the series returning goes way down without media partner intervention.  Oklahoma State won't see any upside in it.  If they're losing, and not selling out, then maybe they'll want to play again.  

[gmr548 16580]

ESPN getting involved is probably the only way the series gets saved in the short term.  It would make a lot of sense for ESPN to improve the visibility of its (hypothetical) Big 12 investment with a slate of "rivalry week" games against the SEC, in the same way that they do that for the ACC.  
The key difference though seems to be that the ACC schools *want* to play that permanent OOC game.  But money talks.  Maybe we could see Disney orchestrate Kansas-Missouri, , Bedlam, and some slate of ex SWC match-ups.  
In the long term, I think if Oklahoma State stays at or near the top of the Big 12 for the next decade+, then the odds of the series returning goes way down without media partner intervention.  Oklahoma State won't see any upside in it.  If they're losing, and not selling out, then maybe they'll want to play again.  

A Big 12-SEC showdown lite, with a focus on legacy series, could work. Lots of options mixing and matching OU, aggy, Arkansas, Mizzou, and Texas with KSU, Kansas, OSU, Tech, TCU, UH, and Baylor.

[camel at sea 589]

9 minutes ago, gmr548 said:

A Big 12-SEC showdown lite, with a focus on legacy series, could work. Lots of options mixing and matching OU, aggy, Arkansas, Mizzou, and Texas with KSU, Kansas, OSU, Tech, TCU, UH, and Baylor.

Yeah.  Bedlam and the KU-Mizzou Border War game make a lot of sense on "Rivalry Week."  I think a SWC themed Kickoff Classic for Week 0 or Week 1 would be awesome.  Texas-Tech, aggy-Baylor, Arky-TCU, etc.  From the Big 12 side of it, if the schools involved could lock that down with a multi-year contract, that would give their TV deal a bump.    

[Teebox 89]

5 hours ago, billfromlaketravis said:

 

Fans get screwed. The Tower, Bellmont, and ESPN don’t give a shit. Water is wet. 
 

What?  It's the Tower and Bellmont that made the move to the SEC happen.  This isn't a Deloss Dodds move.

[tonedeaf 56]

1 hour ago, gmr548 said:

A Big 12-SEC showdown lite, with a focus on legacy series, could work. Lots of options mixing and matching OU, aggy, Arkansas, Mizzou, and Texas with KSU, Kansas, OSU, Tech, TCU, UH, and Baylor.

Fuck baylor.

[statsman 5471]

It’s funny about these series- TAMU and TT had a great series, nearly even. Ags don’t want it to continue. OU-OSU may be popular with the fans, but evidently the schools don’t care. OU really didn’t mind the NU series stopping that much. 

[thunderlounge 7837]

6 hours ago, gmr548 said:

A Big 12-SEC showdown lite, with a focus on legacy series, could work. Lots of options mixing and matching OU, aggy, Arkansas, Mizzou, and Texas with KSU, Kansas, OSU, Tech, TCU, UH, and Baylor.

 

[statsman 5471]

I see a Big XII flex coming, where Texas has to visit UH in 2023. And that pisses me off. 

Edited September 22, 2022 by statsman

[ATXhorn17 1617]

31 minutes ago, statsman said:

I see a Big XII flex coming, where Texas has to visit UH in 2023. And that pisses me off. 

Yup, expect to have night road games at BYU, Cincy, UH and UCF. The Big 12 will want to prove that the new members can compete, so expect a lot of suspect officiating as well.

[mdmost 43002]

Game times are determined by TV partners, not the conference. If it were the way you say, we'd be playing a night game in Lubbock this Saturday instead of 2:30. 

Edited September 22, 2022 by mdmost

[Pancho 44805]

ESPN isn’t going to force ou/osu. They’ll resume when they want, similar to Texas/aggy.

 

[Treefidy 1463]

On 9/20/2022 at 6:08 PM, Deej said:

aggy BIL still tries to convince me Texas killed it because of unequal revenue sharing. Hahahaha....you mean the share aggy unreservedly received that was equal to Texas'?

Well, they now say that A&M doesn’t stand for anything, so when they hear or read that “Texas A&M demanded unequal revenue sharing” all they see is “Texas demanded unequal revenue sharing.”
 

Things have to be worded so they can understand, “The fighting texum Aggies demanded unequal revenue sharing” leaves less room for confusion.  

[The Beast 585]

I’d be happy as hell to see Texas raise that Big12 trophy next year, then exit stage right with a big fuck you. 

[Deej 76797]

13 minutes ago, The Beast said:

I’d be happy as hell to see Texas raise that Big12 trophy next year, then exit stage right with a big fuck you. 

Texas will set the record for phantom penalties and baseless suspensions next season. 

[The Beast 585]

2 hours ago, Deej said:

Texas will set the record for phantom penalties and baseless suspensions next season. 

True.

[jTower 227]

7 hours ago, Deej said:

Texas will set the record for phantom penalties and baseless suspensions next season. 

Apparently, the officials were getting some practice during the Alabama game.

[Francisco 2.0 32395]

You've got to be fucking kidding me:

 

https://theathletic.com/3621500/2022/09/22/pac-12-ucla-big-ten/

 

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Pac-12 commissioner George Kliavkoff sent a letter to the University of California Board of Regents on Thursday in an attempt to overturn the UCLA chancellor’s decision to leave the Big Ten in 2024, a source confirmed to The Athletic.

Kliavkoff’s three-page letter, first reported by The New York Times, outlined reasons why the program would be hurt both financially and emotionally if it made the move.

 

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He wrote that UCLA athletes could see their academic and health status decline due to increased time traveling on planes to road games. Family and friends of those athletes would also have a more arduous and expensive time seeing the Bruins compete further away from California. Kliavkoff stated travel costs — currently $8.1 in the Pac-12 — would jump to $23.7 million if flights were chartered in the Big Ten.

 

 

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The letter additionally stated salaries for coaches and administrators would be forced to go up in the Big Ten despite the new seven-year, $7.5 billion media rights deal.

UCLA and local rival USC are both expected to join the Big Ten in 2024.

 

Here's the letter:

 

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenttools/pac-12-uc-regents-letter/2d54d08a97825d75/full.pdf

 

 

Edited September 23, 2022 by Francisco 2.0

[LTbear 4170]

Good god 

[Trojan Man 429]

2 hours ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

You've got to be fucking kidding me:

 

https://theathletic.com/3621500/2022/09/22/pac-12-ucla-big-ten/

 

 

 

 

 

Here's the letter:

 

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenttools/pac-12-uc-regents-letter/2d54d08a97825d75/full.pdf

 

 

Fuck that cocksucker and fuck the Pac 12.