Realignment talk not going away

[Gidnik 3284]

12 hours ago, LTtxfan said:

Cross-posting since this fills in potential answers to financials...

Seems like $16mill given up by each of the "Left Behind Eight" to add  Cincy/UH/BYU/UCF is a big part of this negotiation.  Plus Texas/blOU agreeing to a few games with FOX to compensate them.

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$16mil x 8 = $128mil.  Guess Texas and blOU will likely pay $64mil a piece.

Edit:  More recent video says 60-65% of this number is now likely plus Texas & blOU agreeing to additional games on FOX to compensate for their early departure from B12.

so if we stay for the final 2 years we can put the whammy on the little 8? i like that. 

[Slacks 6821]

4 hours ago, TKthunder2 said:

Did you quote the wrong person?

No. I was just talking randomness... The point was, if we didn't support Foxx or away games, their bitchassedness would backfire... But the idea is more fantasy than possibility because we can't really pull it off, like a fake boycott.

[TKthunder2 4992]

19 minutes ago, Slacks said:

No. I was just talking randomness... The point was, if we didn't support Foxx or away games, their bitchassedness would backfire... But the idea is more fantasy than possibility because we can't really pull it off, like a fake boycott.

My point was FOX is missing out on ~20 games between ‘23 & ‘24 including a pair of RRSO game and Michigan at Texas in ‘24. Giving them more inventory/options with conference game from BYU/UH/Cincy/UCF aren’t going to move the needle. Out of those, the only notable OOC home game in 23/24 is Cincy hosting Pitt in 2024. Clearly that’s not an even trade for FOX.

I’m not sure what if anything that has to do with a boycott. At this point Texas/OU want to leave, the Big 12 wants them gone, ESPN wants them in 2024 (after they get the 1st tier rights from CBS but could likely live with getting them a year early), so FOX is the only sticking point and they have a legitimate issue here. How do you compensate them for 20 games of Texas/OU over 2 seasons including 3 major blueblood vs blueblood opportunities?

Putting aside the logistics of getting it scheduled, but even if both agreed to a 6 year OOC series (encompassing the full timeline of the Big 12’s new deal) think 6 year agreement for Texas/Tech & Oklahoma/OSU (or just home and home with UT v TCU/Tech/Baylor & OU v OSU/KSU/ISU), that would still only give FOX the opportunity for 6 UT/OU games (which they would also have to fight with ESPN for those rights, since the B12 is a joint ESPN/FOX agreement) and that doesn’t even offset a single year of their deal with UT/OU in the B12, much less 2.

If I was FOX I’m not going to play ball unless I get a long term series or multiple OOC from both UT/OU, and I make ESPN trade me some game picks and/or straight inventory from their agreement to offset my loss.

In summary, 2023 seems like a near impossibility, but 2024 could happen with some wheeling and dealing between UT/OU/ESPN and FOX.

[Slacks 6821]

I understood your post and agree.

 

I'm not communicating well today. I was being tongue in cheek about sticking it to Fox by not watching and to the big 12 by not going to away games.

[BurntOrange&White 39934]

Not a lot of money to split between 14 teams the next 2 years. 

[Crockett 490]

 

[Vertigo 20290]

27 minutes ago, Crockett said:

 

If that is the best they have, then I expect the 4 corner schools to be in the B12 after next season. Hell, Oregon and Washington may come too. I believe the B12 has an expansion clause in their contract that guarantees new schools the same revenue as the current schools, which would be higher than the PAC. 

[Gidnik 3284]

The dude has 6k followers I doubt he is breaking that story

[Zeus 6093]

On 1/29/2023 at 12:58 PM, RoyalBevo21 said:

So Texas conceded to UH? What was the argument even about? Why was cougar high even involved? 

Houston is corrupt as fuck. 

Texas is balls deep in the medical center anyway, MD Anderson is Texas system. Billions in new buildings coming up, my company works on a bunch of these new projects.

https://www.virtualbx.com/construction-preview/houston-ut-m-d-anderson-cancer-center-to-expand-operations/

 

[RoyalBevo21 776]

5 minutes ago, Zeus said:

Houston is corrupt as fuck. 

Texas is balls deep in the medical center anyway, MD Anderson is Texas system. Billions in new buildings coming up, my company works on a bunch of these new projects.

https://www.virtualbx.com/construction-preview/houston-ut-m-d-anderson-cancer-center-to-expand-operations/

 

So essential they're just delaying the inevitable so they can say "see, we're just as good as Texas" 

[Zeus 6093]

4 minutes ago, RoyalBevo21 said:

So essential they're just delaying the inevitable so they can say "see, we're just as good as Texas" 

They aren't even one of the big boys capable of fucking with Texas. It's other corrupt mother fuckers. Same as any huge city I guess. Houston is a shit hole though if I'm Texas I'd just build in the Woodlands or League City, which again they already are with UTMB victory lakes and the huge med center there. More expansion underway there too. 

They don't seem to want to build normal education campuses though just med centers. 

They usually expand to new cities or areas by buying existing colleges... I donno if anything around Houston is worth going that route.

[Hurtlocker 2213]

 

Looks like today is the day, which also means looks like early exit negotiations didn't work.

Also, TCU's staff dropped the ball early and put it on their website and schedule snoops scraped it:

 

They're playing every team in Texas, which doesn't seem like a random event.

Edited January 31, 2023 by Hurtlocker

[closetohumping 17449]

24 minutes ago, Hurtlocker said:

 

Looks like today is the day, which also means looks like early exit negotiations didn't work.

Also, TCU's staff dropped the ball early and put it on their website and schedule snoops scraped it:

 

They're playing every team in Texas, which doesn't seem like a random event.

I think we all gave up on 2023 right

[BurntOrange&White 39934]

9 minutes ago, closetohumping said:

I think we all gave up on 2023 right

2023 is last year 100% confirmed.

 

Fox done being bitches

[Gidnik 3284]

5 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

2023 is last year 100% confirmed.

 

Fox done being bitches

Source :trust me bro ?

[BurntOrange&White 39934]

10 minutes ago, Gidnik said:

Source :trust me bro ?

better

[Hookem2147 21338]

59 minutes ago, Hurtlocker said:

 

Looks like today is the day, which also means looks like early exit negotiations didn't work.

Also, TCU's staff dropped the ball early and put it on their website and schedule snoops scraped it:

 

They're playing every team in Texas, which doesn't seem like a random event.

Of course they get Thursday game the week before playing Texas at home.

['stache 21819]

35 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

2023 is last year 100% confirmed.

 

Fox done being bitches

Fox worked out a financial deal, which was always going to be the case.

[closetohumping 17449]

1 hour ago, 'stache said:

Fox worked out a financial deal, which was always going to be the case.

Great.  Anyone have a link?

[The Hot Dog Buffet 1291]

On 1/18/2023 at 2:12 PM, camel at sea said:

It literally happened.  https://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/sam-mellinger/article65340322.html

There's plenty more of it if I wanted to go to the trouble of digging through old Sam Mellinger and Dennis Dodd articles.  KC media trashed Boren b/c KC media was being fed that stuff from KU/KSU/ISU admins.  National media then picked it up and dragged OU.  Absolutely none of that was coming from Texas media sources.  The old Big 12 North schools have fans that like to envision themselves as perpetual innocent victims of fate.  It keeps them from looking honestly at reality and how bad their own administrators were.

It's also true that the Big 12 North schools shot down expansion.  Just look at the votes.  OU, WVU, and Ken Starr pushed for expansion.  Those were the three running the expansion committee.  Texas was open to it under certain conditions and said so publicly.  UT didn't shit on the president of the other blueblood football program in the conference in the media.  Who does that leave as the "absolutely not" votes on expansion?  It only took 3 "absolutely not" votes to kill the whole thing.  When Texas said, "we're interested in adding Houston if we can get a campus in Houston," what happened?  Plains States media outlets started a PR campaign against the "over Texasification of the Big 12." 

The narrative of "our poor little universities did what we were told" sounds plausible in theory but it never quite matched up with the voting history of the Big 12.  Everyone will be better off after the split.  

Expansion didn't make sense until Texas and OU were leaving. Why would you give up a true round robin for any two of the four teams that got added? If Texas and OU would have stayed, we would be getting ready to add Oregon and Washington.

[YGIFS 19452]

I doubt BYU makes two trips to the state of Texas then.  You wanna let them get their feet wet with prolly 1 game in Texas, 1 in Oklahoma, 1 in Kansas/Iowa, and then let them start a new rivalry with UCF or Cincy.  

Maybe we head to BYU and all take a piss on Manny Diaz before we go...you know...for luck? 

Also, UCF heads to OKL in their first and only contest.  And talk of us going to UH perking back up, as per usual.  

Edited January 31, 2023 by YGIFS

[bullet 1597]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/2023-big-12-football-schedule-by-team-key-games-dates-as-league-welcomes-four-new-members-next-season/ar-AA16XTkI

Okie St. only gets one Texas team, at Houston.  Guess nobody wanted their paid refs.

All the Texas schools play each other.  All the Big 8 except OU/KSU play.  All the AAC schools and WVU play.

Yes, we go to Houston.  OU plays at Cincinnati and BYU.

[Gidnik 3284]

 

[n64ra 1086]

Kinda want one more game against WVU so we don't leave the series tied 6-6.

No OSU will be odd, but maybe for the best considering how OSU has had success against us over the past 13 years.

Then for the love of God, please BYU.

 

Edited February 1, 2023 by n64ra

[LTbear 4170]

19 hours ago, bullet said:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/2023-big-12-football-schedule-by-team-key-games-dates-as-league-welcomes-four-new-members-next-season/ar-AA16XTkI

Okie St. only gets one Texas team, at Houston.  Guess nobody wanted their paid refs.

All the Texas schools play each other.  All the Big 8 except OU/KSU play.  All the AAC schools and WVU play.

Yes, we go to Houston.  OU plays at Cincinnati and BYU.

Really would have enjoyed seeing OU go to Manhattan one more time 

[Al_4_ISU 12464]

14 hours ago, Gidnik said:

 

I'm definitely assuming this is the last year of UT in the Big 12.

[SimkinsMan 4391]

50 minutes ago, Al_4_ISU said:

I'm definitely assuming this is the last year of UT in the Big 12.

I've heard it's a matter of when it's announced at this point. 

[closetohumping 17449]

1 hour ago, n64ra said:

Kinda want one more game against WVU so we don't leave the series tied 6-6.

 

 

We will see them in the Gator Bowl in 2029.  Marshall Manning will be our QB at that point.

[TrashMaster G 17563]

6 hours ago, n64ra said:

Kinda want one more game against WVU so we don't leave the series tied 6-6.

No OSU will be odd, but maybe for the best considering how OSU & their refs have had success against us over the past 13 years.

Then for the love of God, please BYU.

 

Fify

[billfromlaketravis 11516]

So if we’re never going to be on Fox again, why are we playing nice?

[mdmost 43004]

44 minutes ago, billfromlaketravis said:

So if we’re never going to be on Fox again, why are we playing nice?

We will be when we play at Michigan and Ohio State. I'm definitely petty enough to say we should avoid future OOC games with conferences that have Fox as the first option. So a snoot full of ACC OOC games we would be our best option. 

Edited February 2, 2023 by mdmost

[billfromlaketravis 11516]

Help me to understand Fox’s leverage here. They have a signed contract. We break our contract. Fox sues us. We settle. What am I missing? 

[Not a Sock 2313]

13 minutes ago, billfromlaketravis said:

Help me to understand Fox’s leverage here. They have a signed contract. We break our contract. Fox sues us. We settle. What am I missing? 

That absolute fuck load of money Texas would owe and the legal limbo Texas’s media rights would go into which would be a problem for the SEC and ESPN.

[Thiefery 5012]

Wonder if the Big12 meeting today will cover adding the four corners/PAC raid.  Rumor is that Oregon and Washington said no to signing a new deal (with GOR) for the Amazon deal. Both Arizona schools also rumored to have said no.

Maybe adding 4-6 schools from the Pac, could free UT/ou in '24.. also killing the PAC?

[Josef Pwag 1738]

4 minutes ago, Thiefery said:

Wonder if the Big12 meeting today will cover adding the four corners/PAC raid.  Rumor is that Oregon and Washington said no to signing a new deal (with GOR) for the Amazon deal. Both Arizona schools also rumored to have said no.

Maybe adding 4-6 schools from the Pac, could free UT/ou in '24.. also killing the PAC?

[Al_4_ISU 12464]

37 minutes ago, Thiefery said:

Wonder if the Big12 meeting today will cover adding the four corners/PAC raid.  Rumor is that Oregon and Washington said no to signing a new deal (with GOR) for the Amazon deal. Both Arizona schools also rumored to have said no.

Maybe adding 4-6 schools from the Pac, could free UT/ou in '24.. also killing the PAC?

That would be cool, but I'm not holding my breath.  The leadership of those schools seem like they'd rather die athletically and cling to the Pac academic mantle as they drown.

[n64ra 1086]

22 hours ago, closetohumping said:

We will see them in the Gator Bowl in 2029.  Marshall Manning will be our QB at that point.

I was thinking the QB would be Jordan Young at that point, but dear Lord hopefully not in the Gator Bowl.

[Vertigo 20290]

39 minutes ago, Al_4_ISU said:

That would be cool, but I'm not holding my breath.  The leadership of those schools seem like they'd rather die athletically and cling to the Pac academic mantle as they drown.

I am fairly confident that Arizona would be the first to jump. They are first and foremost a basketball school, and a P12 streaming deal would kill their basketball exposure and be a real problem for them. With Arizona you would likely see Colorado or Arizona State. Once that happens, it is only a matter of time. Oregon and Washington may have their hand forced because they are going to be left with Stanford and Cal to play unless they can find a landing spot. They are likely pounding on the new B1G commissioners door as we speak. 

Edited February 2, 2023 by Vertigo

[Laxtonto 12090]

1 hour ago, Thiefery said:

Wonder if the Big12 meeting today will cover adding the four corners/PAC raid.  Rumor is that Oregon and Washington said no to signing a new deal (with GOR) for the Amazon deal. Both Arizona schools also rumored to have said no.

Maybe adding 4-6 schools from the Pac, could free UT/ou in '24.. also killing the PAC?

So ASU, AU, Col and Utah and leave UO, OSU, UW, WSU, Stanford and Cal to figure their own shit out? Curious how that would work

[DFW Horn 6124]

46 minutes ago, Vertigo said:

...They are likely pounding on the new B1G commissioner's door as we speak. 

Right now, they've got nobody to talk to except B1G university presidents.

I didn't realize Warren was only in the B1G chair for 3 years. What did he accomplish other than "canceling" the 2020 football season and money-whipping USC and UCLA? CBS speculation includes TV executives from FOX and ESPN.

[Vertigo 20290]

2 minutes ago, DFW Horn said:

Right now, they've got nobody to talk to except B1G university presidents.

I didn't realize Warren was only in the B1G chair for 3 years. What did he accomplish other than "canceling" the 2020 football season and money-whipping USC and UCLA? CBS speculation includes TV executives from FOX and ESPN.

Yeah, I am sure they are working overtime with the university presidents. Washington and Oregon in the B12 actually isn't the craziest thing if they did pull the 4 corner schools. You are talking about good travel partners for a western division without having to fly to Florida and West Virginia too often for non revenue sports. Their conference football schedule wouldn't have them flying east of Dallas. 

['stache 21819]

5 minutes ago, Vertigo said:

Yeah, I am sure they are working overtime with the university presidents. Washington and Oregon in the B12 actually isn't the craziest thing if they did pull the 4 corner schools. You are talking about good travel partners for a western division without having to fly to Florida and West Virginia too often for non revenue sports. Their conference football schedule wouldn't have them flying east of Dallas. 

Yeah but based on OSU’s ranking in US News, if their football players spend a few hours in the same field as our players, the whole State of Washington will get the dumbz and cant be havin none of that i tells you wut.

[DFW Horn 6124]

18 minutes ago, Vertigo said:

Yeah, I am sure they are working overtime with the university presidents. Washington and Oregon in the B12 actually isn't the craziest thing if they did pull the 4 corner schools. You are talking about good travel partners for a western division without having to fly to Florida and West Virginia too often for non revenue sports. Their conference football schedule wouldn't have them flying east of Dallas. 

Two 9-team Big 18 divisions, west & east, isn't the dumbest idea I've seen now that USC and UCLA are in the B1G. 

[HouTex 1878]

On 2/1/2023 at 12:04 PM, SimkinsMan said:

I've heard it's a matter of when it's announced at this point. 

Hope you are right.  I recall the discussion on this board in late July 2021 when it all went down that the move to the SEC would happen at least by 2023 and even perhaps by 2022.  Either the Big 12 would dissolve, or we'd pay the $$$.  With hindsight, some of those posts are hilarious.

[BurntOrange&White 39934]

PAC looking pretty ripe for poaching with those alleged latest deal numbers

Edited February 2, 2023 by BurntOrange&White

[Thiefery 5012]

Just now, BurntOrange&White said:

PAC looking pretty ripe for poaching with those alleged latest deal numbers

yeah.. tbh they and the big 12 should have gotten a merger discussion going... instead they got into a pissing contest.

I think something could still be worked out with an Amazon deal in tow, but from what people keep saying.. Cal and Stanford are the real problems

[BurntOrange&White 39934]

7 minutes ago, Thiefery said:

yeah.. tbh they and the big 12 should have gotten a merger discussion going... instead they got into a pissing contest.

I think something could still be worked out with an Amazon deal in tow, but from what people keep saying.. Cal and Stanford are the real problems

Cal and Stanford can fuck off. These are football moves(fuck you stanford).


Big 12 should 100% be targeting Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, Oregon, Utah, and Washington.

 

If you can pull any combination of the two outside of Oregon and Washington then I think that opens the door for Oregon and Washington to bolt. 

[DFW Horn 6124]

9 minutes ago, Thiefery said:

..... Cal and Stanford are the real problems

Both are good at sports that don't pay the bills. Throw in academic snobbery and it breeds discontent among the Pac rank-and-file. Neither should be in lead roles.

[TKthunder2 4992]

Honestly a sneaky lynchpin in this would be for the Big 12 to go after Washington State. Almost everyone thinks the PAC10 schools are valuable to other conferences for one reason or another, and each one has been rumored as an expansion candidate with the exception of Oregon St and Washington St. Oregon State is just a small state with nothing special about it other than its mascot and baseball, but Washington State punches above its weight class in TV ratings and is in a growing area (especially if you include Idaho) in an already good sized state (even if most of the population is on the other side).

If the PAC crumbled tomorrow one could see 4 joining the B1G, 4 joining the B12, and WSU would end up stranded in the PAC10 with OSU 8 MWC members. But WSU’s vulnerability may be the Big 12’s ticket to Western expansion.

Take Washington State and you now put some urgency behind the realignment musical chairs and a school like Arizona also decides to jump. Then as the other four corner schools come in, Washington has an easy out to leave assuming the Big Ten is truly off the table, and once Washington joins Oregon would follow.

If the Big 12’s end game is to get very big then I think it’s the best plan short of raiding the eventual ACC leftovers which could be over a decade away.

[statsman 5472]

It would be very, very stupid of the B12 to take in Oregon. Oregon recruits Texas and California, and just lost exposure in Southern California. They have more NIL money than any remaining B12 school.