Realignment talk not going away

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6 hours ago, Josef Pwag said:

So your argument for UofH's success in the 2020s is that they did well in football in the SWC decades ago when they cheated like holy fuck and in the 1980s they assembled the best college basketball team to never win a title. You are lightyears away from a coherent argument. Houston is a joke academic university based in a war zone with zero national titles in any sport that matters. Also, they spelled it 'Phi Slama Jama' and Guy V. Lewis is an eternal clown for not winning a national title with 2 of the NBA's Top 50 players. 

 

You are dismissed.

 

So you are too stupid to understand that history matters.  You are lightyears from having a coherent mind.

if you think UH is in a war zone, you should go to USC's campus.  I don't hear that being used as an argument against them.

And you forgot, Guy didn't win with Elvin Hayes either, another of the top 50.  So 3 of the top 50 got recruited to UH.  And Houston IS #2 right now in basketball, having spent some time at #1, not even being in a P5.

And not being in a P5, they did win a NY6 bowl and finish in the top 10.

When I was in school, UH was a bigger rival than aggy, because aggy was...aggy.  Not as big as the pigs or land thieves, but bigger than the farmers.

 

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4 hours ago, GreenspointTexas said:

Lololol no

 

 

also, houston is a better academic school than Tech and a lot of other big 12 schools. And i hate u of h

Yeah.  UH is better than most of the SEC where we are headed.

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3 hours ago, Al_4_ISU said:

Must be a purist about the SEC only having slave states?

Doesn't fit.  The Cherokee in Oklahoma had slaves!

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14 minutes ago, bullet said:

Doesn't fit.  The Cherokee in Oklahoma had slaves!

It wasn't a state though.  It was Indian Territory.

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44 minutes ago, Saint Austin said:

Geez, I have a diploma from SMU and live in Dallas, but had no idea the school had left the Methodist church.

Easy to understand why they kept it on the down low. Which bodes the question, is TCU still affiliated with the Church of Christ or some other denomination? 

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Written by Stewart Mandel, Nicole Auerbach, Max Olson and Chris Vannini.

Realignment is back in the news, thanks to continued discussions within the Big 12 about early exits for Oklahoma and Texas, and Pac-12 commissioner George Kliavkoff’s visit to SMU on Wednesday.

Here is the latest from The Athletic’s reporters.

Pac-12 media rights

Last July, shortly after USC and UCLA’s defections, the Pac-12 opened negotiations for its next media rights contract, which would take effect with the 2024 football season. Seven months later, there’s still no deal — and people are getting antsy. With good reason.

Three people with knowledge of the discussions said commissioner George Kliavkoff is struggling to find partners willing to pay close to what the league is seeking. Two of those sources said Kliavkoff overpromised his members on how many bidders there would be and what dollar amount they could command — a target north of $40 million per school, according to one league athletic director. Today, it’s uncertain whether the Pac-12 will even be able to exceed the $31.6 million average the Big 12 reportedly landed in a six-year extension with ESPN and Fox it reached last fall.

“(We) don’t have a deal because it hasn’t been good,” said the AD.

Kliavkoff made some key miscalculations. At last summer’s Pac-12 media day, he suggested the Big Ten’s pending jackpot — which wound up being for $8.1 billion over seven years — would have a ripple effect on the Pac-12. But the Big Ten is a much more watched conference that garnered interest from nearly every major linear and digital media company. The Pac-12, by contrast, has found fewer bidders since going to the open market. Fox, for one, has expressed little interest now that the Los Angeles schools are part of its prized Big Ten package. And CBS (Big Ten and Mountain West) and NBC (Big Ten and Notre Dame) are set in college football for the next several years. However, one Pac-12 administrator did indicate a new player emerged shortly after the new year.

Kliavkoff also sounded certain last summer that his league would be next in line after the Big Ten because its deal was up a year earlier than the Big 12’s (which runs through 2025). But Big 12 counterpart Brett Yormark outflanked him, convincing existing partners ESPN and Fox to open up negotiations a year early. Whereas Kliavkoff drew out the process by taking his rights to market, Yormark reached an extension of the current contract within a couple of months. And the Big 12’s agreement may have provided its own ripple effect on negotiations by unofficially setting a ceiling. 

“It’s tough when your neighbor across the street sells his house for a low price,” said the Pac-12 administrator.

 

ESPN remains interested in the Pac-12, particularly in the league’s 10:30 p.m. ET games, but New York Post sports media writer Andrew Marchand reported last fall that the Pac-12 and ESPN were “hundreds of millions apart.” Which may explain why the Pac-12 is looking at possibly putting the majority of its games on a streaming platform. Sports Business Journal’s John Ourand predicted in December the league will “sell almost its entire media package to Amazon for a price that is slightly higher than what the Big 12 gets from ESPN and Fox.”

Which brings us back to expansion. Adding schools like San Diego State and SMU would not add significant value in a traditional TV deal, but a streaming service like Amazon or ESPN+ could be interested in volume. Inviting two more schools would add an extra 15 or so football games a year, which would raise the overall dollar amount (say, from $270 million a year to $300 million a year). Two sources believe the new schools would initially receive less than a full share — not unusual in these situations — which would up the existing schools’ slice of the pie.

While those sources still believe the media deal will be completed before any expansion becomes official, they also understand there could be pressure from media partners to swap the order of events so they know exactly what that inventory will be.

SMU and San Diego State in focus

SMU’s home basketball game on Wednesday night was supposed to serve as a secret pitch meeting, but it became a public demonstration. Multiple promotions and honors were scheduled heading into the matchup with Temple, including football players being told to attend the game. Several people in the athletic department weren’t sure why. The reason for the emphasis became clear when The Action Network first reported that Kliavkoff would visit SMU on Wednesday and On3 reported he would be at the game.

After a cold and rainy day in Dallas, Kliavkoff indeed attended. He tried to stay inconspicuous, wearing a black NBA Finals hat and a black quarter-zip. But The Athletic and the Dallas Morning News spotted him in a suite at the top of Moody Coliseum. He was flanked by two men who appeared to be Pac-12 deputy commissioner/COO Jamie Zaninovich and senior vice president of strategy Erik Hardenbergh. Throughout the game, the trio met with SMU president R. Gerald Turner, board of trustees chair and megadonor David B. Miller, athletic director Rick Hart and executive deputy AD/COO Kurt Pottkotter. Kliavkoff and Turner spoke for most of the second half, which saw SMU win on a free throw with three seconds left. The commissioner left the arena out of the view of media.

 

SMU did not want this visit to become public, as conferences and schools prefer to keep realignment workings behind closed doors. Even after the news leaked, many SMU officials wouldn’t say a word on or off the record and wouldn’t confirm Kliavkoff’s appearance at the game. Many had found out he was coming only when the news broke.

But the suddenly public nature of the visit provided an opportunity. SMU’s student section was packed and scattered with signs with Pac-12 references. One fan, Jack Joyce, wrote “Pac” on the back of an SMU club baseball jersey with the No. 12. Dallas mayor Eric Johnson tweeted his support before tipoff.

After the win, Mustangs basketball coach Rob Lanier was asked whether he knew the Pac-12 commissioner was there and replied, “I read that, yep.”

SMU’s Pac-12 case is centered on its location in Dallas, which would bring the Pac-12 into Texas and the Central time zone, along with solid academics (it is a top-75 national university per U.S. News & World Report and is working to become a R1 research school) and a lot of money (a $2 billion endowment and many active big-money donors). It’s a private school, with an enrollment of more than 12,000, and is nonsectarian, having split from the United Methodist Church in 2019. The Pac-12 has avoided schools with religious ties in the past.

The school has had conversations with the Pac-12, Big 12 and ACC dating back to at least last summer, a school official told The Athletic last year. Turner had a call scheduled with University of Washington president Ana Mari Cauce on Aug. 1 of last year, according to an email obtained by The Athletic in a public records request. Kliavkoff’s visit on Wednesday was a big step toward a possible transformative moment for a school slowly working its way back to a major conference since the Southwest Conference dissolved in 1996.

San Diego State, which hosted Kliavkoff in December according to multiple reports, is confident about its position for Pac-12 expansion. The Aztecs’ case: a presence in Southern California, a new $310 million football stadium, an expanding campus and a combined football/men’s basketball record second only to Ohio State among FBS programs since 2010. The school put together a strategic operations plan to help prepare a possible move to the Pac-12, an idea SDSU took from Utah.

“We’re competitive in all of our sports, we invest in our programs, and we’re a rising star from an academic standpoint,” athletic director JD Wicker said last month, adding separately, “If an opportunity comes to anyone to elevate, no one is going to say no. We’ll continue to be the best San Diego State we can be, and see where that leads up. We’ll work with (commissioner Gloria Nevarez) and the Mountain West to make sure we’re being the best partner to everyone we can be.”

Leaders around college sports believe San Diego State is the No. 1 football option for the Pac-12 if it expands, but the longer the media deal negotiations drag out, the harder it is to predict what will happen.

Where the Big 12 stands

The Big 12 is now well-positioned to benefit from any Pac-12 chaos. But first, it needs to finalize its divorce from Oklahoma and Texas.

Conversations continue about an early exit for the two departing schools, which are contractually bound to the Big 12 through the 2024-25 academic year. Talks that would allow the Sooners and Longhorns to move on to the SEC ahead of the 2024 football season hit a snag last week, but they are not dead, two people with knowledge of the negotiations said.

Because of the number of parties — the Big 12 and its remaining schools, Oklahoma, Texas and television partners ESPN and Fox — the discussions are complex. While it remains possible the talks stall and Oklahoma and Texas are forced to stay through June 2025, neither side feels as if the discussions are close to a drop-dead deadline.

“Everybody wants to get it done,” one high-ranking official at a Big 12 school said. “It comes down to ESPN and Fox working their deal out. Fox doesn’t want to give up too much content for 2024.”

ESPN will become the exclusive home of the SEC starting in 2024-25, so adding the incoming members at that time would be ideal. But Fox must be made whole in some way if it’s going to agree to surrender its rights to 2024 games featuring the Big 12’s two biggest ratings-drivers. As one conference source close to the situation put it, “Fox doesn’t feel they need to give away something that they already have.”

Even if the Fox-ESPN dynamic is truly the missing piece in these negotiations, leaders at Oklahoma and Texas would also need to be satisfied with the other critical detail — the expensive exit penalties — needed for settling on an early split.

First-year Big 12 commissioner Brett Yormark has a lot of bold ideas for the future of the Big 12 and plenty he is determined to accomplish, but he can’t move forward with many of those ambitions until this early exit gets resolved.

Yormark quickly delivered on a new media rights deal for the conference last October, agreeing to a six-year extension with ESPN and Fox through 2030-31 that will pay an average of $380 million per year. That maneuver to effectively leapfrog the Pac-12 when it had the advantage of being next to market is looking wiser by the day.

The Big 12 has been eyeing the four remaining Pac-12 South schools — Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado and Utah — since last summer but certainly also views Oregon and Washington as prized targets. Big Ten commissioner Kevin Warren’s departure makes it tough for those two schools to assess whether they fit into that conference’s future plans. The longer the Pac-12’s hunt for an acceptable TV deal drags on and stirs doubts about the conference’s financial future, the easier it becomes for Yormark to make his pitch to those schools.

That’s not his only option. The Big 12 continues to talk with Gonzaga, one high-ranking source at the school confirmed. They described the Big 12’s approach as much more forward-thinking than the Pac-12. Yormark’s background is in basketball, and he sees serious potential in the idea of making the best men’s basketball conference even stronger. The challenge for Gonzaga is convincing either conference to invite it as more than just a basketball-only member. There’s still reluctance to make a move unless it’s for all sports.

When the Big 12 went through its last round of expansion in 2021, SMU was considered but wasn’t viewed as a serious contender. The concern was and has long been that SMU wouldn’t add value for the Big 12. But would the Pac-12 inviting SMU and entering the Dallas-Fort Worth market be detrimental for the Big 12? How will Yormark and his board assess that threat?

— The Athletic’s Andy Staples, Dana O’Neil and Christian Caple contributed to this report.

 

Stew was in tears as he wrote and tweeted that.

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1 minute ago, DFW Horn said:

Easy to understand why they kept it on the down low. Which bodes the question, is TCU still affiliated with the Church of Christ or some other denomination? 

I think TCU is (/was?) Disciples of Christ, which I believe is a lot more chill and instrument-friendly than Church of Christ.

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3 hours ago, Texas Wahoo said:

The AAU may not include any religious institutions, although that is probably because those universities do not tend to be top research universities.  However, the AAU includes a ton of private universities.

Many actually do, though not to the degree of public, more secular institutions.  I know BYU does a fair amount of research, though it's aim is more towards elite undergrad engagement and top tier post grad programs such as the MBA, LAW, Accounting and MPA programs.   Notre Dame does a fair amount of research too, despite being religiously affiliated.  

45 minutes ago, Thiefery said:

I sorta feel bad for that conference (PAC) because they have had bad luck with their commissioners.. 

I do think Larry Scott had the right idea, but he really needed to do everything to get UT and the other 3 schools to join. I think he was willing to accept LHN but his bosses said no and left it at that. 

I wish the Big12 had Yorkman back in the Beebe days.. Conference would most likely have kept every member and who knows, they could be poaching SC and UCLA 

I don't. they brought it upon themselves with their anti-religious bigotry.  

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26 minutes ago, Thiefery said:

I sorta feel bad for that conference (PAC) because they have had bad luck with their commissioners.. 

I do think Larry Scott had the right idea, but he really needed to do everything to get UT and the other 3 schools to join. I think he was willing to accept LHN but his bosses said no and left it at that. 

I wish the Big12 had Yorkman back in the Beebe days.. Conference would most likely have kept every member and who knows, they could be poaching SC and UCLA 

Larry Scott was terrible, but he wasn't an unavoidable act of God.  He was hired because Pac 12 presidents bought what he was selling and he kept his job for as long as he did because the same presidents loved him.  It's not a coincidence the conferences that prioritize competitive football and making money have good commissioners while the conference that prioritizes academic circle jerking and winning championships in sports nobody cares about has shitty commissioners.  Larry Scott was a reflection of misplaced priorities among Pac 12 leadership.  He had very high approval ratings with Pac 12 presidents while he was destroying the conference.

Even if Scott landed Texas, Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State I don't know if that would have saved the Pac 12.  They would have served as a nice counterbalance to the ivory tower attitudes plaguing the Pac 12, but giving more money to the people who killed this conference would have just encouraged them.  USC, Texas and Oklahoma might still have developed wandering eyes for the conferences that take football seriously as opposed to the Pac 12, where they act like football success and non-revenue success are equally important.  At least now an existential crisis is forcing some of the poor leadership around the Pac 12 that was happy to just ride the gravy train to reconsider their beliefs.  For example Colorado wouldn't have hired Prime Time if they were in a stable conference.

11 minutes ago, Al_4_ISU said:

Stew was in tears as he wrote and tweeted that.

I usually like him but yes, he has a massive blind spot when discussing Pac 12 issues.

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3 minutes ago, Trojan Man said:

I usually like him but yes, he has a massive blind spot when discussing Pac 12 issues.

He was absolutely gleeful at the prospect of the AAC absorbing the Remaining 8 Big 12 schools when UT and OU left.  There's a real seething hatred amongst west coast media (and Utah fans apparently) for the bulk of the Big 12.  They absolutely want to see schools like the old Big 8 schools and the other Texas schools to be tossed aside.  I don't know what we did to them, but the most satisfying part of the Big 12 gaining the upper hand over the Pac 12 has been watching those assholes try and cope with it.

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35 minutes ago, FartingDreamer said:

 

I don't. they brought it upon themselves with their anti-religious bigotry.  

On the curses of Cain and Ham, Brigham Young stated, "What is the mark? You will see it on the countenance of every African you ever did see...."

 

Hope you get your own planet one day, though. That sounds dope.

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49 minutes ago, Trojan Man said:

Larry Scott was terrible...

Even if Scott landed Texas, Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State I don't know if that would have saved the Pac 12. USC, Texas and Oklahoma might still have developed wandering eyes for the conferences that take football seriously as opposed to the Pac 12, where they act like football success and non-revenue success are equally important.  

I usually like him but yes, he has a massive blind spot when discussing Pac 12 issues.

Fuck Stewart Mandel - moron

Thanks for confirming what I've always believed about the Pac-12. I don't get too excited about the "Director's Cup". Who gives a crap? 

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1 hour ago, FartingDreamer said:

Many actually do, though not to the degree of public, more secular institutions.  I know BYU does a fair amount of research, though it's aim is more towards elite undergrad engagement and top tier post grad programs such as the MBA, LAW, Accounting and MPA programs.   Notre Dame does a fair amount of research too, despite being religiously affiliated.  

I don't. they brought it upon themselves with their anti-religious bigotry.  

I don’t know about the others, but it’s hard to take an institution where most of the students and staff wear magic underwear seriously. Maybe you should drop this

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6 hours ago, DFW Horn said:

Why would SDS propose an 18-team SEC with no OU? While adding BU, Memphis, and UH? Very odd. He must be a morning drinker.

Who wants to throw yet another lifeline to Raeplor, cougar High, and add Memphis State? 

 

 

Nope! You LOSE! Welcome to Oblivion!

 

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6 hours ago, DFW Horn said:

Why would SDS propose an 18-team SEC with no OU? While adding BU, Memphis, and UH? Very odd. He must be a morning drinker.

Should add Louisiana Tech and Georgia Southern…then the SEC would dominate!

 

 

 

/s

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4 hours ago, DFW Horn said:

Yep, and fan engagement should improve playing BU, Tech, and TCU on a regular basis. Not to mention KU and others in hoops. Big 12 hype and exposure will help their athletic department in all facets. 

Nah. They played Rapelor/Tech/pussy-frogs in the SWC already, you younger people forget, and there was never any draw, never any "excitement" other than those fast-break cougar-high teams that never won titles because everyone figured out that they couldn't shoot free-throws. Reid Gettys could, but everyone knew not to foul him.

Their "fans" will continue to do what cougar-high fans always do..... not show up for anything unless they're playing TEXAS.

Being in the Big12 won't mean shit to attendance for football/basketball, putting your life on the line getting robbed or worse (and/or getting your car stolen or stripped) in that horrific warzone campus area (Greater Third Ward). It's never been worth it, not in the 70s, and not now.

Same as it ever was.

 

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3 hours ago, Saint Austin said:

Geez, I have a diploma from SMU and live in Dallas, but had no idea the school had left the Methodist church.

So did USC.

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2 hours ago, YouLoveMyPenises said:

Hope you get your own planet one day, though. That sounds dope.

You're welcome to visit anytime

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3 hours ago, DFW Horn said:

is TCU still affiliated with the Church of Christ or some other denomination? 

Huh? I thought the C stood for curious 

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48 minutes ago, BachelorTrek said:

Nah. They played Rapelor/Tech/pussy-frogs in the SWC already, you younger people forget, and there was never any draw, never any "excitement" other than those fast-break cougar-high teams that never won titles because everyone figured out that they couldn't shoot free-throws. Reid Gettys could, but everyone knew not to foul him.

Their "fans" will continue to do what cougar-high fans always do..... not show up for anything unless they're playing TEXAS.

Being in the Big12 won't mean shit to attendance for football/basketball, putting your life on the line getting robbed or worse (and/or getting your car stolen or stripped) in that horrific warzone campus area (Greater Third Ward). It's never been worth it, not in the 70s, and not now.

Same as it ever was.

 

How big was UH in the SWC days? I have to imagine it's much bigger now, but will still probably last in B12 in football attendance. 

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Leaving one year early. 

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Let's win this bitch on the way out.

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2 minutes ago, mdmost said:

Let's win this bitch on the way out.

That would be the ultimate FU, would love to see Yomark hand us the trophy as we put a foot out the door.

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https://www.statesman.com/story/sports/college/longhorns/football/2023/02/09/texas-oklahoma-leaving-big-12-for-sec-in-one-year/69890716007/

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1 hour ago, SimonBolivar said:

How big was UH in the SWC days? I have to imagine it's much bigger now, but will still probably last in B12 in football attendance. 

UH is bigger and they're less of a commuter school now than they were 50 years ago.  When they were trying to get into the Big 12 seven years ago, I remember their president bragging bout 10,000 beds on campus.  The TCU/Baylor/Tech types are a bigger draw now than they were in the SWC.  Baylor and TCU are both arguably in the midst of their best 15 year runs in modern program history.  Oklahoma State / BYU / etc. are all relatively god draws, too.  I haven't been to the Third Ward in a few years but I'm pretty sure that part of Houston is gentrifying (for good or bad or however you want to look at it.)  Point is that it's hard to compare their SWC days to the present.

I think they'll get a huge attendance bounce in year one.  They'll have to win and be competitive to keep it going.  Fertitta seems like a guy who will go make a big hire if Dana falls on his face.    

 

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Hallelujah! Fuck this shit conference. Can't wait to see what defensive line holding calls, phantom ref bumps and QBs looking at a pile and being awarded the fumble get called this fall.

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Sayonara, bitchez!

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Never gets old

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I’m so excited I could shake the hand of a coogar high grad

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https://big12sports.com/news/2023/2/9/conference-big-12-announces-agreement-for-withdrawal-of-oklahoma-and-texas.aspx

An official version!  Finally done!

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Texassports.com already added 2 stories in relation to the SEC move in 2024 just an hour after the news broke, but they still haven't posted the 2023 Texas football schedule that has been out for a couple of weeks. Maybe there's more news to come?

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8 minutes ago, mdmost said:

 

UO and UW come on down, only gotta change one letter. Or maybe they’re super excited about playing SMU.

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19 minutes ago, The Dog said:

Never gets old

One of the greatest gifs of all time

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4 minutes ago, 936horn said:

One of the greatest gifs of all time

For some reason I'm not getting this and don't feel like messing with it.

Is it red and blue window Cougars?

 

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I will miss the Big 12. I will miss the Big 8 teams. BYU will be the team to beat in the Big 12. Thanks to all those non-Longhorns who have been in this chat for YEARS and taken illogical Longhorn hubris and assholery.

Here's hoping we do better in the SEC/NFL B League than we did in the Big 12... 3 out of 27!!!

Maybe James Brown can be QB1 for the 2024 season.

Since we're too fucking smug collectively, I certainly won't start the chant... But I'm damn excited/scared for the SEC!!!! 

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13 minutes ago, BornAndRaised said:

 

I miss the Big XII, too.

But my aim is improving.

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Miss the Big 12? Lmao fuck the Big 12, it’s shitty refs, and all the second rate schools and programs that thought they were even in the same hemisphere as us the last 30-odd years. 

Edited February 10, 2023 by 936horn

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30 minutes ago, DCLonghorn said:

I will miss the Big 12. I will miss the Big 8 teams. BYU will be the team to beat in the Big 12. Thanks to all those non-Longhorns who have been in this chat for YEARS and taken illogical Longhorn hubris and assholery.

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19 minutes ago, 936horn said:

Miss the Big 12? Lmao fuck the Big 12, it’s shitty refs, and all the second rate schools and programs that thought they were even in the same hemisphere as us the last 30-odd years. 

*its

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44 minutes ago, BornAndRaised said:

 

That is a shitload of money to piss away. I hope this one extra year in the SEC is worth it.

Anyway glad we finally have a definite end date.

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2 minutes ago, TrashMaster G said:

*its

Fair. For some reason my iPhone always tries to correct its to it’s

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21 minutes ago, 936horn said:

Miss the Big 12? Lmao fuck the Big 12, it’s shitty refs, and all the second rate schools and programs that thought they were even in the same hemisphere as us the last 30-odd years. 

I mean clearly they were in the same hemisphere since we failed to beat them generally in either football or Men's Basketball.

Are we A&M now? Pretending we are superior to schools we lose to? If we are better then why aren't we better? 

Anyway hopefully we take these last few Big 12 titles on the way out.