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How many teams will be left when the dust settles in a few years? I think there's a way for all the teams to still have some involvement. I will explain that at the end of this list. Here's my list of the top 32 programs and a list if it goes to 48. There's some debate if it goes to 48, but not much debate if it stops at 32. I guess one could debate Arizona State, but that's about it. The top 32 at least come close to carrying their own weight. Everyone below that line is losing money for t

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Aggy should abstain so the vote is 13-0 and then we can then brand it on their dog.

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Can't imagine Zona would stay in the shitty basketball Pac-12 conference with PPV TV coverage on the horizon.  Especially when they have an opportunity to get into the Big-12 and be on regular TV in packed stadiums against ranked opponents almost every week.  But hey, they're Arizona so meh?

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1 minute ago, Loose Stool said:

But hey, they're Arizona so meh?

There is so much chatter on twitter today, and it includes upset Arizona fans. They are bitching that they cannot even watch their games in Tucson, but Texas Tech can watch every single one of their games on ESPN. I assume this is due to Pac 12 network.

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2 minutes ago, Jabberwocky said:

There is so much chatter on twitter today, and it includes upset Arizona fans. They are bitching that they cannot even watch their games in Tucson, but Texas Tech can watch every single one of their games on ESPN. I assume this is due to Pac 12 network.

Just saw that too, most of the noise seems to be Arizona and Utah fans, but it will only take one.

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5 hours ago, Jabberwocky said:

I don't know who this guy is, but he seems to be located in Utah. Take it for whatever it is worth, but he says this regarding the Pac 12 tv deal. He has also posted several other doomsday tweets regarding Pac 12 over the past hour:

 

They have a pretty popular podcast. It is full of those annoying sound drops that some drunk intern just smashes the whole time, but if they would cut that out he is pretty good. He had been on the forefront of PAC criticism and he has a pretty wide audience.

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3 hours ago, Jabberwocky said:

Canzano just released this. Perhaps Colorado State is one of the schools he mentions.

 

Take anything from Canzano, Mandel, or Adam Rittenberg with a massive grain of salt. They are all P12 reporters who are carrying the league banner and disseminating propaganda out of their own self interest.

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absolutely nothing new here, but KSL doing a "ditto" article quoting everything else from the day is important

gslc media has been mostly quiet until today

if utah can't play in LA every year, there is zero reason to hang around

UU is the darkhorse of the 4 corners and i can see them going first

making the holy war a conference game creates an OOC slot with a state flagship

UU won't play OOC patsies like window cougar or rapelor, and this will add value to the BDF tv deal

https://kslsports.com/499194/big-12-conference-talks-utah-utes-colorado-arizona-asu-realignment/

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1 hour ago, 6th Street said:

Those idiots had the chance to add any number of Big 12 schools - Tech, OSU, TCU, KSU etc after Texas/OU announced we were leaving. Instead they sat there holding their dicks and now they're fucked. 

In fairness, USC blocked any expansion since they knew they were leaving and would sign a new GOR (though Stanford/Cal likely went along with it too)

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15 hours ago, Hagbard Celine said:

absolutely nothing new here, but KSL doing a "ditto" article quoting everything else from the day is important

gslc media has been mostly quiet until today

if utah can't play in LA every year, there is zero reason to hang around

UU is the darkhorse of the 4 corners and i can see them going first

making the holy war a conference game creates an OOC slot with a state flagship

UU won't play OOC patsies like window cougar or rapelor, and this will add value to the BDF tv deal

https://kslsports.com/499194/big-12-conference-talks-utah-utes-colorado-arizona-asu-realignment/

The Utah media has suddenly started being a little negative about the Pac.  That is a change.

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https://saturdaytradition.com/big-ten-football/hayes-b1g-drama-trying-to-figure-out-permanent-opponents-for-16-team-super-conference/amp/
 

Apparently the B1G is doing the same 9 game/3 rivals/3-6-6 model as the SEC

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One Big Ten athletic director told Saturday Tradition that 1 model proposal includes Ohio State with UCLA as a permanent opponent, and Michigan with USC.

That would give Fox/CBS/NBC 2 more mega ratings games annually, instead of the 3 media partners getting those games every other year. Or 4 more mega games (a total of 😎 every 4 years if both Ohio State and Michigan add 1 of the 2 Los Angeles teams as permanent opponents.

There are other models with Penn State as a permanent opponent, and the goal for the media partners is getting the Big Ten’s biggest television properties playing annually. And don’t forget, that’s what conference expansion is all about.

The Big Ten expanded — and the SEC expanded to 16, too — with the long-term goal of increased revenue distribution for its member institutions. There’s only 1 guaranteed road to increased revenue — for now, anyway — and that’s media rights.

Live sports is everything for cable and network television, the 1 thing that makes money no matter the year, no matter the economy. To take it 1 step further, live football is everything — live football drives media rights deals.

That’s why ESPN, Fox, CBS and NBC will pay the Big Ten, SEC, ACC and Big 12 in excess of $3 billion annually — not including the estimated $1.5 billion annually for a 12-team Playoff beginning in 2024 — to televise games.

You’re not paying more than $4 billion annually to 4 Power conferences and accepting a steady diet of USC vs. Indiana every year. Or UCLA vs. Rutgers. Or Oklahoma vs. Kentucky and Texas vs. South Carolina.

Television networks (and streaming sites) make money off advertising, and the most profitable games for selling advertising are those that reach 4 million viewers and above.

USC vs. Indiana every year isn’t getting 4 million viewers. USC vs. Michigan is — every single year.

If Ohio State and Michigan don’t get USC or UCLA as a permanent opponent, the Big Ten’s media rights partners will get 2 less ratings bonanza games over a 4-year period.


Some fun quotes here. The R8 will love the Power 4 comment.

Still I don’t see how they pair USC/UCLA with Michigan and Ohio St. Unlike the SEC which will have 8 teams with recent titles, the B1G only really has 4.

To match the number of big time games that the SEC is putting out they’ll have to make all these big time schools rivals but then the smaller schools would all just be rivals with each other (think Northwestern/Illinois/Indiana/Purdue all just playing each other as rivals) meaning they’d only get 1 major opponent at home each year, which doesn’t seem like it would fly.

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On 3/3/2023 at 1:02 PM, Vertigo said:

Did anyone tell them we changed the locks?

You should have made them leave their key.

22 hours ago, Hurtlocker said:

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First time I heard someone besides Arizona leading the charge.

Also how did "Hail Mary" and "Colorado State" end up in the same sentence?

fawlty memory?

 

 

1 hour ago, TKthunder2 said:

In fairness, USC blocked any expansion since they knew they were leaving and would sign a new GOR (though Stanford/Cal likely went along with it too)

Pitt did that to the Big East too. 

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1 hour ago, TKthunder2 said:

https://saturdaytradition.com/big-ten-football/hayes-b1g-drama-trying-to-figure-out-permanent-opponents-for-16-team-super-conference/amp/
 

Apparently the B1G is doing the same 9 game/3 rivals/3-6-6 model as the SEC


Some fun quotes here. The R8 will love the Power 4 comment.

Still I don’t see how they pair USC/UCLA with Michigan and Ohio St. Unlike the SEC which will have 8 teams with recent titles, the B1G only really has 4.

To match the number of big time games that the SEC is putting out they’ll have to make all these big time schools rivals but then the smaller schools would all just be rivals with each other (think Northwestern/Illinois/Indiana/Purdue all just playing each other as rivals) meaning they’d only get 1 major opponent at home each year, which doesn’t seem like it would fly.

USC Michigan will pretty much always be big, but is tOSU UCLA really that big after the newness factor goes away?  It will do numbers because all tOSU games do, but is it better than tOSU vs Wisconsin or Nebraska?

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11 minutes ago, Texas Wahoo said:

USC Michigan will pretty much always be big, but is tOSU UCLA really that big after the newness factor goes away?  It will do numbers because all tOSU games do, but is it better than tOSU vs Wisconsin or Nebraska?

If you consider the travel and time zone difference, that could be sort of an equalizer that would add intrigue to those games?

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55 minutes ago, Texas Wahoo said:

USC Michigan will pretty much always be big, but is tOSU UCLA really that big after the newness factor goes away?  It will do numbers because all tOSU games do, but is it better than tOSU vs Wisconsin or Nebraska?

Agree, historically UCLA is not even in the top half of the new Big Ten. They are more comparable to Iowa or Purdue than Michigan State or Wisconsin.

 

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2 hours ago, TKthunder2 said:

https://saturdaytradition.com/big-ten-football/hayes-b1g-drama-trying-to-figure-out-permanent-opponents-for-16-team-super-conference/amp/
 

Apparently the B1G is doing the same 9 game/3 rivals/3-6-6 model as the SEC


Some fun quotes here. The R8 will love the Power 4 comment.

Still I don’t see how they pair USC/UCLA with Michigan and Ohio St. Unlike the SEC which will have 8 teams with recent titles, the B1G only really has 4.

To match the number of big time games that the SEC is putting out they’ll have to make all these big time schools rivals but then the smaller schools would all just be rivals with each other (think Northwestern/Illinois/Indiana/Purdue all just playing each other as rivals) meaning they’d only get 1 major opponent at home each year, which doesn’t seem like it would fly.

fOSU and Michigan with a game in LA every years. Shaking my head. I’m patiently waiting for Riley to buy a house in Dallas as his recruiting HQ. 

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1 hour ago, Texas Wahoo said:

USC Michigan will pretty much always be big, but is tOSU UCLA really that big after the newness factor goes away?  It will do numbers because all tOSU games do, but is it better than tOSU vs Wisconsin or Nebraska?

Probably a gift to the Rose Bowl

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21 minutes ago, Gidnik said:

at the 7 minute mark

Seems about right, outside ND no one is worth the $75 and ND would likely pay for a partner at that rate.   Clemson, FSU, Oregon, Washington, and UNC are all around $40-50m in total worth.  Arizona/ASU/Colorado are all in line with the top of the Big 12, Utah is probably even with BYU.   

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2 hours ago, TrashMaster G said:

I typically depend on aggy to provide me lulz with stupid stuff.  This was a nice change of pace.

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Funny thing is though, the old big 12 needed inventory, but if Texas and OU stayed would have been making about $65m on the new contract, a 13% dif and not even noticed in the total revenue.  Quite likely they could have lured in LA to make more.

At the end of the day though, this was about a recruiting war that the SEC was winning.  Doesn't matter if adding USC would have added the same money, its a rounding error.   Its about negating 

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46 minutes ago, Hurtlocker said:

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Funny thing is though, the old big 12 needed inventory, but if Texas and OU stayed would have been making about $65m on the new contract, a 13% dif and not even noticed in the total revenue.  Quite likely they could have lured in LA to make more.

At the end of the day though, this was about a recruiting war that the SEC was winning.  Doesn't matter if adding USC would have added the same money, its a rounding error.   Its about negating 

You think USC and UCLA would have chosen the Big 12 over the B1G????

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