Realignment talk not going away

[Lonestar88 4708]

15 minutes ago, Al_4_ISU said:

Maybe better.  I’m just saying the blue bloods are almost fully consolidated.  ND is the last one out there, with Clemson and FSU being fringe.

 

3 minutes ago, Hurtlocker said:

Yeah I'd lump Oregon, Washington, FSU, and Clemson into that purgatory tier between the massive brands and the normal P5 brands.   Big enough to move the B12/ACC needle, but not enough to move the SEC/B1G needle

Y’all are severely underestimating the value of FSU.

[DanTheHorn 4971]

38 minutes ago, Al_4_ISU said:

Maybe better.  I’m just saying the blue bloods are almost fully consolidated.  ND is the last one out there, with Clemson and FSU being fringe.

As far as I am concerned Clemson and above are Blue Bloods to me because of where they have stood at times or some of the very dominant runs they have had over my lifetime. Even when Clemson was bad they kept coming up as a program that could be football royalty. Unlike A&M where only they say it in their own bubble.

Just one more figure through the end of the 2019 season.

 

Edited July 27, 2023 by DanTheHorn
Added most wins since 1970 through the end of 2019 season.

[Evil Bill Obrien 3314]

9 minutes ago, Uncle Nate said:

 

 

 

Its pretty rich seeing Cincinnati Bearcat fan tap dancing on the Pac12's soon to be grave... as if the Big 12 wouldn't jump at a chance to kick them to the curb to open a slot for a Pac12 school knowing what everyone knows today. Lucky for Bearcat nation no conference has really figured out how to ditch the schools just riding the gravy train without bringing much to the table, so they still get to enjoy their ride til that happens.

Edited July 27, 2023 by Evil Bill Obrien
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[Hurtlocker 2213]

1 minute ago, Evil Bill Obrien said:

Its pretty rich seeing Cincinnati Bearcat fan tap dancing on the Pac12's soon to be grave... as if the Big 12 wouldn't jump at a chance to kick them to the curb to open a slot for a Pac12 school knowing what everyone knows today. Lucky for Bearcat nation no conference has really figured out how to ditch the schools just riding the gravy train without bringing much to the table, so they still get to enjoy their ride til that happens.

The real irony is that the Pac could be the Pac 18 right now and Cinci, UCF, BYU, and Houston would be where they were.   But the Pac didn't strike.

Wasting two chances to kill the Big 12 in a single decade came back to bite them.

[Sabalo 998]

5 minutes ago, DanTheHorn said:

As far as I am concerned Clemson and above are Blue Bloods to me because of where they have stood at times or some of the very dominant runs they have had over my lifetime. Even when Clemson was bad they kept coming up as a program that could be football royalty. Unlike A&M where only they say it in their own bubble.

 

Cali, Mississippi,  and North Carolina are mildly surprising. 

 

[Texas Wahoo 3420]

13 minutes ago, Sabalo said:

Cali, Mississippi,  and North Carolina are mildly surprising. 

Yeah, I am pretty skeptical of those numbers.  Just taking a quick look at UNC's and NC State's followings - UNC has more on Twitter and 100k more on Instragram.  While NC State has more on Facebook, given that neither team has 100k followers on Facebook, I'm not sure how they ended up with NC State ahead.

[Richard Kimball 1501]

4 hours ago, TKthunder2 said:

Except SDSU has to payout out like $30 million to leave the MWC.

They obviously did that intentionally. It makes it unwise for 4 or more MWC to join the PAC as they be wheeling out $120+ million to the remaining 8 in the MWC and opens the door to a merger of equals where Wyoming v Stanford is now a must see conference matchup.

They're going to merge the Pac & Mountain West. The new conference will be called Broke Pac Mountain. 

[BurntOrange&White 40220]

What is the link to watch the Colorado meeting?

[Evil Bill Obrien 3314]

5 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

What is the link to watch the Colorado meeting?

https://cu.new.swagit.com/views/92/

Allegedly...nothing running on the live feed yet

[Evil Bill Obrien 3314]

It on now, and its pretty much just like every other zoom call I've ever been on

[thunderlounge 8026]

It's done. They gone.

[LTbear 4172]

[Hurtlocker 2213]

Wow, it didn't fall through

[TexasGary 853]

2 hours ago, notre dame joe said:

I don't believe CU will move to the Big12_whatever.  That would make sense and the one common prime factor is that no CR makes sense.

ISWYDT

[Crockett 495]

36 minutes ago, DanTheHorn said:

 

Hey everyone B12 will still have a blue blood in it after this season! Sweet!

[BurntOrange&White 40220]

Everyone giving resounding yes

[TexasGary 853]

47 minutes ago, Uncle Nate said:

 

If he had just let this go a few more seconds and show the Big12 logo on the side of Cousin Eddie's RV.....

 

[Evil Bill Obrien 3314]

[BurntOrange&White 40220]

[Hurtlocker 2213]

26 minutes ago, Richard Kimball said:

They're going to merge the Pac & Mountain West. The new conference will be called Broke Pac Mountain. 

 

[Texas Wahoo 3420]

 

Official.

[locodos 5419]

53 minutes ago, Lonestar88 said:

 

Y’all are severely underestimating the value of FSU.

Free crab legs?

[Laxtonto 12544]

So….. now what? Who panics first? Are we going to see a stupid add for Pac12 expansion that fails to garner the votes to pass or a dumb attempt at ratifying an incomplete agreement tv deal/grant of rights that goes no where?

How can you in good conscience as a remaining 4 corner school or UW/OU can you ratify any add without some serious concrete numbers and a long term plan? I bet we see a slow play for a week or so by the schools while they try to decide how fucked they really are…

['stache 21899]

[gatormarc 918]

32 minutes ago, Texas Wahoo said:

48 minutes ago, Sabalo said:

Cali, Mississippi,  and North Carolina are mildly surprising. 

Yeah, I am pretty skeptical of those numbers.  Just taking a quick look at UNC's and NC State's followings - UNC has more on Twitter and 100k more on Instragram.  While NC State has more on Facebook, given that neither team has 100k followers on Facebook, I'm not sure how they ended up with NC State ahead.

Yeah.

And Florida is in the top 5 in the nation for social engagement but somehow behind FSU?

https://athleticdirectoru.com/articles/college-athletics-social-media-rankings/

[Evil Bill Obrien 3314]

1 minute ago, Laxtonto said:

So….. now what? Who panics first? Are we going to see a stupid add for Pac12 expansion that fails to garner the votes to pass or a dumb attempt at ratifying an incomplete agreement tv deal/grant of rights that goes no where?

How can you in good conscience as a remaining 4 corner school or UW/OU can you ratify any add without some serious concrete numbers and a long term plan? I bet we see a slow play for a week or so by the schools while they try to decide how fucked they really are…

Yeah think we got about a week or so before the whole rest of the PAC schools (except Wazzu, Oregon State, and Cal who know they are fucked no matter what) start doing this:

 

Then OSU, WSU, and Cal just gonna be in the corner: 

['stache 21899]

Edited July 27, 2023 by 'stache

[Josef Pwag 1751]

13 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

 

 

[Hurtlocker 2213]

 

 

[BurntOrange&White 40220]

12 minutes ago, Laxtonto said:

So….. now what? Who panics first? Are we going to see a stupid add for Pac12 expansion that fails to garner the votes to pass or a dumb attempt at ratifying an incomplete agreement tv deal/grant of rights that goes no where?

How can you in good conscience as a remaining 4 corner school or UW/OU can you ratify any add without some serious concrete numbers and a long term plan? I bet we see a slow play for a week or so by the schools while they try to decide how fucked they really are…

Arizona/Oregon?

[Hurtlocker 2213]

[USC_TMB 405]

1 hour ago, USC Traveler said:

President of NW was recently hired away from Eugene Community College, so he’s been a big part of the PAC stupidity himself.

Wait, whaaaaat? Northwestern hired its president from Whoregon?????  Really. Wow, I’ll have to re-assess my opinion of Northwestern. AAU or not, NU >>> oregon

[LTbear 4172]

 

 

[Sir Ulrich 5219]

RE Oregon not moving the needle for the Big 10. They were 12th in avg viewership per game last year above all current and future Big 10 teams outside of Michigan, tOSU, and Penn State. 

[Sir Ulrich 5219]

 

 

Edited July 27, 2023 by Sir Ulrich

[Hurtlocker 2213]

2 minutes ago, Sir Ulrich said:

RE Oregon not moving the needle for the Big 10. They were 12th in avg viewership per game last year above all current and future Big 10 teams outside of Michigan, tOSU, and Penn State. 

Right, but Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State, and USC are the reason they get paid $75m a year.    Oregon may be a bigger brand than Iowa, but they're not commanding that kind of money.   That was the point of the comment.

They're not big enough to make the B1G money, but they are big enough to make the B12/Pac more money.   They exist in that gap between the two.

[camel at sea 589]

13 minutes ago, Laxtonto said:

So….. now what? Who panics first? Are we going to see a stupid add for Pac12 expansion that fails to garner the votes to pass or a dumb attempt at ratifying an incomplete agreement tv deal/grant of rights that goes no where?

How can you in good conscience as a remaining 4 corner school or UW/OU can you ratify any add without some serious concrete numbers and a long term plan? I bet we see a slow play for a week or so by the schools while they try to decide how fucked they really are…

I think Arizona files its Big 12 paperwork in the next couple of weeks and then the Big 12 waits out Oregon and Washington.  If those two don't have a B1G invite, they're going to have to make the Big 12 move, too.  

ASU and Utah might have to spend a long time in a rebuilt PAC.  It doesn't make a lot of sense for the Big 12 to go to 18 if #15/#16 are UO/UW.  

The remaining 6 PAC schools probably end up adding SDSU, Boise, Colorado St, and SMU and sign a media rights deal with Apple streaming.      

[Hurtlocker 2213]

1 minute ago, camel at sea said:

I think Arizona files its Big 12 paperwork in the next couple of weeks and then the Big 12 waits out Oregon and Washington.  If those two don't have a B1G invite, they're going to have to make the Big 12 move, too.  

ASU and Utah might have to spend a long time in a rebuilt PAC.  It doesn't make a lot of sense for the Big 12 to go to 18 if #15/#16 are UO/UW.  

The remaining 6 PAC schools probably end up adding SDSU, Boise, Colorado St, and SMU and sign a media rights deal with Apple streaming.      

[Al_4_ISU 12523]

RE Oregon not moving the needle for the Big 10. They were 12th in avg viewership per game last year above all current and future Big 10 teams outside of Michigan, tOSU, and Penn State. 

Then why aren’t they in the Big 10?

[mdmost 43184]

I'm not a fan of the Pac 12 going away but if it's grabbing 1-3 of them versus Group of 5 then kill the Pac 12. 

[Sir Ulrich 5219]

Just now, Al_4_ISU said:

Then why aren’t they in the Big 10?

More than likely because they have no partner like UCLA/SC and UT/OU. If they ever get ND to join the Big10 then Oregon would be the only worthy partner of the remaining gettable schools. 

[Chewbacca 7789]

1 minute ago, mdmost said:

I'm not a fan of the Pac 12 going away but if it's grabbing 1-3 of them versus Group of 5 then kill the Pac 12. 

Yeah, I think the Pac is done.  The timing of SC and UCLA leaving right before having to negotiate a media deal killed it.  Sounds like 1-3 more Pac teams on the way to B12 with the Buffs.

[mdmost 43184]

If I'm the Big 12, I want Utah, Oregon and Washington. Arizona and Arizona State net you nothing. I get that they're DTF but have some standards. You're bringing a lot of mediocre football teams to the Big 12. 

[LTbear 4172]

1 minute ago, mdmost said:

If I'm the Big 12, I want Utah, Oregon and Washington. Arizona and Arizona State net you nothing. I get that they're DTF but have some standards. You're bringing a lot of mediocre football teams to the Big 12. 

Swap Arizona for Utah. New state/ market, elite basketball.

[gatormarc 918]

So the MWC's TV contract is through 2026.

I wonder if they've been negotiating to see what kind of deal they can get with the PacScraps.

[SimonBolivar 10961]

2 minutes ago, mdmost said:

If I'm the Big 12, I want Utah, Oregon and Washington. Arizona and Arizona State net you nothing. I get that they're DTF but have some standards. You're bringing a lot of mediocre football teams to the Big 12. 

Arizona is a big basketball school. Supposedly we're trying that angle as hard as possible and it's the one thing we really stand out at compared to the P2.

[mdmost 43184]

2 minutes ago, LTbear said:

Swap Arizona for Utah. New state/ market, elite basketball.

Football is king. You get a much better rivalry game with BYU than anything Arizona can offer.

Edited July 27, 2023 by mdmost

[Lonestar88 4708]

1 minute ago, mdmost said:

Football is king. You get a much better rivalry game with BYU than anything Arizona can offer.

If this were just about good football matchups then they wouldn’t have taken Colorado, and they sure as hell wouldn’t be contemplating UConn.

Money wise, it’s better to get into the Arizona market than take a second team from Utah.

['stache 21899]

Yormark seems to really want UConn. If he can get UO and UW, I bet the rest of the members and the networks would let him go with them as the 16th member. That leaves the PAC with 7 and they can backfill with SDSU, SMU, and Tulane? Maybe UNLV?

[mdmost 43184]

Just now, Lonestar88 said:

If this were just about good football matchups then they wouldn’t have taken Colorado, and they sure as hell wouldn’t be contemplating UConn.

Money wise, it’s better to get into the Arizona market than take a second team from Utah.

No, they took Colorado because they're trying to destroy the Pac 12 so they can grab the better Pac 12 teams. I don't think they want UConn if they can get better teams out West.