Realignment talk not going away

[Pato del Muerto 52485]

19 minutes ago, HookEm said:

Regardless, the Big 10 won't add two more schools.  We may be stopping at 20 and they are going to leave open a spot for Notre Dame guaranteed.

If ND asks for Stanford to be the 20th team, for versatility of their own scheduling, I’d think the big would do it. Would help with the other west coast schools as well. 
 

thereby leaving the sec to pick 4 from the acc, in theory. 
 

The acc remainder would just be out there though. Some would go b12 to make 20 there as well. 
 

20 is a decent number, especially if the geography fits, as football can go 4 pods of 5 that plays the 4 mates every season and one other pod rotating so you see every team every 3 years and host them every 6. 

Edited August 6, 2023 by Pato del Muerto

[Zhorn96 1773]

2 minutes ago, Satchel said:

Could be nothing more than click bait, but the cold reality of needing money now, might be calling some to become pragmatic

https://twitter.com/MHver3/status/1687841142644047872?t=1uM8EyqyPeVWSg5ePZnI5g&s=09

it would be an interesting cultural fit but obviously preferable to extinction.  And Cal and Furd are pretty much joined at the hip unless ND calls

[TheAuditor 1035]

AAU Membership list, dates admitted, and affiliation to 2024 B10/SEC/B12.  TLDR:  It's B10 by a mile. 

Spoiler

AAU Member Universities

BIG10(17): Indiana University (1909) Michigan State University (1964) The Ohio State University (1916) The Pennsylvania State University (1958) Purdue University (1958) Rutgers University – New Brunswick (1989),University of California, Los Angeles (1974),University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign (1908) The University of Iowa (1909),University of Maryland at College Park (1969) University of Michigan (1900) University of Minnesota, Twin Cities (1908),University of Oregon (1969)University of Washington (1950) The University of Wisconsin – Madison (1900)Northwestern University (1917) University of Southern California (1969)

SEC(5) : Texas A&M University (2001), University of Florida (1985),University of Missouri, Columbia (1908)The University of Texas at Austin (1929)Vanderbilt University (1950)

BIG12(6):The University of Arizona (1985), University of Colorado, Boulder (1966),The University of Kansas (1909),University of South Florida (2023),The University of Utah (2019)Arizona State University (2023)

Public Other: Georgia Institute of Technology (2010) Stony Brook University – The State University of New York (2001) University at Buffalo – The State University of New York (1989) University of California, Davis (1996) University of California, Berkeley (1900) University of California, Irvine (1996) University of California, Riverside (2023) University of California, San Diego (1982) University of California, Santa Barbara (1995) University of California, Santa Cruz (2019) The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill (1922) University of Pittsburgh (1974) University of Virginia (1904)

Private Other: Boston University (2012) Brandeis University (1985) Brown University (1933) California Institute of Technology (1934) Carnegie Mellon University (1982) Case Western Reserve University (1969) Columbia University (1900) Cornell University (1900) Dartmouth College (2019) Duke University (1938) Emory University (1995) Harvard University (1900) The George Washington University (2023) The Johns Hopkins University (1900) Massachusetts Institute of Technology (1934) New York University (1950) Princeton University (1900) Rice University (1985) Stanford University (1900) Tufts University (2021) Tulane University (1958) The University of Chicago (1900) University of Miami (2023) University of Notre Dame (2023) University of Pennsylvania (1900) University of Rochester (1941) Washington University in St. Louis (1923) Yale University (1900)

Canadian McGill University (1926) University of Toronto (1926)

 

Edited August 6, 2023 by TheAuditor
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[Satchel 6932]

5 minutes ago, Zhorn96 said:

it would be an interesting cultural fit but obviously preferable to extinction.  And Cal and Furd are pretty much joined at the hip unless ND calls

Interestingly, the Big 12 is as urban, culturally and ethnically diverse as it is rural - DFW, Houston, Cincinnati, Phoenix, Orlando…

[closetohumping 17435]

16 minutes ago, HookEm said:

Your family should start coming to grips with the fact that they are going to be in the Mountain West.

Probably don’t care. 

[Texas Wahoo 3389]

8 minutes ago, TheAuditor said:

AAU Membership list, dates admitted, and affiliation to 2024 B10/SEC/B12.  TLDR:  It's B10 by a mile. 

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AAU Member Universities

BIG10(17): Indiana University (1909) Michigan State University (1964) The Ohio State University (1916) The Pennsylvania State University (1958) Purdue University (1958) Rutgers University – New Brunswick (1989),University of California, Los Angeles (1974),University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign (1908) The University of Iowa (1909),University of Maryland at College Park (1969) University of Michigan (1900) University of Minnesota, Twin Cities (1908),University of Oregon (1969)University of Washington (1950) The University of Wisconsin – Madison (1900)Northwestern University (1917) University of Southern California (1969)

SEC(5) : Texas A&M University (2001), University of Florida (1985),University of Missouri, Columbia (1908)The University of Texas at Austin (1929)Vanderbilt University (1950)

BIG12(6):The University of Arizona (1985), University of Colorado, Boulder (1966),The University of Kansas (1909),University of South Florida (2023),The University of Utah (2019)Arizona State University (2023)

Public Other: Georgia Institute of Technology (2010) Stony Brook University – The State University of New York (2001) University at Buffalo – The State University of New York (1989) University of California, Davis (1996) University of California, Berkeley (1900) University of California, Irvine (1996) University of California, Riverside (2023) University of California, San Diego (1982) University of California, Santa Barbara (1995) University of California, Santa Cruz (2019) The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill (1922) University of Pittsburgh (1974) University of Virginia (1904)

Private Other: Boston University (2012) Brandeis University (1985) Brown University (1933) California Institute of Technology (1934) Carnegie Mellon University (1982) Case Western Reserve University (1969) Columbia University (1900) Cornell University (1900) Dartmouth College (2019) Duke University (1938) Emory University (1995) Harvard University (1900) The George Washington University (2023) The Johns Hopkins University (1900) Massachusetts Institute of Technology (1934) New York University (1950) Princeton University (1900) Rice University (1985) Stanford University (1900) Tufts University (2021) Tulane University (1958) The University of Chicago (1900) University of Miami (2023) University of Notre Dame (2023) University of Pennsylvania (1900) University of Rochester (1941) Washington University in St. Louis (1923) Yale University (1900)

Canadian McGill University (1926) University of Toronto (1926)

 

When did South Florida join the Big 12?

[HookEm 2463]

The Big 12 would be dumb to add Stanford and Cal.  They are difficult to deal with and bring very little to the party besides academics.  They are terrible cultural fits and would make everything more difficult.

At this point the Big 12 should be waiting to see what happens with the ACC, prepared to scoop up any great assets that don't get invited to the Big 10 or SEC.  Why add Cal or Stanford when you could potentially add UNC, Virginia Tech, Miami and Pitt down the road?  Or Virginia. Or Duke. Or Louisville. Or possibly even FSU or Clemson if they get lucky. 

[Vertigo 20276]

1 hour ago, Uncle Nate said:

Welp. Truth is out. It was us Red Raiders all along. Pulling the strings like Don Corleone:

 

You sons of bitches. Also lulz at the west texas recruiting pipeline and its impact on tcu, smu, and baylor.

[Al_4_ISU 12451]

The Big 12 would be dumb to add Stanford and Cal.  They are difficult to deal with and bring very little to the party besides academics.  They are terrible cultural fits and would make everything more difficult.
At this point the Big 12 should be waiting to see what happens with the ACC, prepared to scoop up any great assets that don't get invited to the Big 10 or SEC.  Why add Cal or Stanford when you could potentially add UNC, Virginia Tech, Miami and Pitt down the road?  Or Virginia. Or Duke. Or Louisville. Or possibly even FSU or Clemson if they get lucky. 

I think it’s all but guaranteed that the Big 12 will be able to add Pitt, Ville, and VA Tech in the future, and they’re all pretty great fits that each bring some excellent rivalries back into the league.

[jTower 227]

56 minutes ago, Josef Pwag said:

Is Georgia an AAU school? 

No.  

Florida, Vandy, Texas, aggy, Mizzou in the secsecsec

[DukDukGru 48]

2 hours ago, locodos said:

I'm pretty sure Texas could wrangle a PAC invite now if they wanted to.

I don't think that Florida fans, or those of any other university in the SEC, feel deep comradery for other SEC schools.  I can't imagine, as a fan, traveling to another school and thinking "Ah, these are my people!"   Nope, I'm here to have a good time, see a great game in a cool environment.  If you need that sense of belonging I'd suggest crossfit. 

That said, if you want to compare atmospheres in the SEC vs Big10, that seems like a way to go.  But the idea of having your, or your university's, credibility burnished or tarnished based on athletic opponents seem very myopic.  I feel like Delany during his time at Ohio St. was the one really pushing this narrative as a salve to soothe their losses, which as a Florida fan was quite funny.

 

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/21994162/history-fun-obnoxious-inescapable-sec-football-chant

[Pato del Muerto 52485]

I wonder if the sec cares if they were to have Kentucky, North Carolina, and Duke basketball under the umbrella. 

[Surly Bevo 24908]

Academics simply do not matter in all of this beyond what being indecisive worrying over something like academics will do to you in this big game of duck duck goose....which is get you trucked.  

Edited August 6, 2023 by Surly Bevo

[PilotsError 2286]

2 hours ago, Satchel said:

Yeah, these are not my people either:

https://www.mississippicir.org/news/a-year-after-an-instagram-photo-of-ole-miss-frats-hoisting-guns-in-front-of-a-bullet-riddled-emmett-till-sign-went-viral-questions-remain

But child rapists are?

[camel at sea 589]

21 minutes ago, Al_4_ISU said:

I think it’s all but guaranteed that the Big 12 will be able to add Pitt, Ville, and VA Tech in the future, and they’re all pretty great fits that each bring some excellent rivalries back into the league.

I think that's on the table, but it just depends on how things fall.  If the ACC loses ND, FSU, Clemson, UNC, and UVA, the other 10 full members could decide to stick together - like the Irate8 did.  They'd have a pretty good roster:  VT, Miami, Pitt, Lville, NC State, GT, etc.  Decent to good (but not elite) football.  Elite brand names in men's basketball.

[BurntOrange&White 39930]

2 hours ago, Satchel said:

Yeah, these are not my people either:

https://www.mississippicir.org/news/a-year-after-an-instagram-photo-of-ole-miss-frats-hoisting-guns-in-front-of-a-bullet-riddled-emmett-till-sign-went-viral-questions-remain

So these are your people? 

 

https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/24/us/larry-nassar-sentencing/index.html

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penn_State_child_sex_abuse_scandal

 

https://www.mlive.com/news/ann-arbor/2022/01/timeline-of-the-dr-robert-anderson-abuse-scandal-at-university-of-michigan.html

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohio_State_University_abuse_scandal

 

 

Edited August 6, 2023 by BurntOrange&White

[redswingline 1057]

The entire CFB system is kind of fucked in a decentralized way if you think about it.

The NFL is one business that can set the same rules and fair schedules for everyone, divide revenue between the teams and set up a real playoff.

CFB is currently 65 different businesses in the P5 ( soon to be P4), each having their own direction.

It would be so much better if there was one entity that could balance everything such as schedules, travel etc. Take 48-60 teams, create 4 divisions by region and you only play in your region. Regional divisions would drastically cut down on travel costs. Then add a real playoff setup and none of this invitation bullshit, or bs pansy ass powder puff OOC scheduling and lets-play-a-high-school-team-in-November crap.

It would be ironic if in the future a mega conference(s) eventually broke up into regional pods that was similar in what I am describing above.

 

Edited August 6, 2023 by redswingline

[Texzilla58 4731]

Big 12 should make their road games Morgantown, Lubbock, Houston, Cincinnati 

Big 12 should tell ‘em to fuck off and stay with the pac 4.

[TKthunder2 4985]

52 minutes ago, HookEm said:

The Big 12 would be dumb to add Stanford and Cal.  They are difficult to deal with and bring very little to the party besides academics.  They are terrible cultural fits and would make everything more difficult.

At this point the Big 12 should be waiting to see what happens with the ACC, prepared to scoop up any great assets that don't get invited to the Big 10 or SEC.  Why add Cal or Stanford when you could potentially add UNC, Virginia Tech, Miami and Pitt down the road?  Or Virginia. Or Duke. Or Louisville. Or possibly even FSU or Clemson if they get lucky. 

I let it go the first few times you said this but UNC is NOT joining the Big 12. The SEC/B1G will have a knife fight over who gets the Tar Heels. Virginia is nearly in the same boat. The ONLY way they could get FSU is if they take them while their GOR is still tied up in the courts. Clemson is likely the best the Big 12 could get and that is still a very long shot.

Miami, Georgia Tech, Duke, NC State, Virginia Tech, Louisville, Pitt, Syracuse, Boston College, and Wake Forest are all realistic Big 12 candidates (not that they’d want all of them)

ND, UNC, UVA, FSU, Clemson are not.

[TheAuditor 1035]

1 hour ago, Texas Wahoo said:

When did South Florida join the Big 12?

Good Catch -  Too may shitty Florida schools to keep them straight. 

[dogfarts 45]

The entire CFB system is kind of fucked in a decentralized way if you think about it.
The NFL is one business that can set the same rules and fair schedules for everyone, divide revenue between the teams and set up a real playoff.
CFB is currently 65 different businesses in the P5 ( soon to be P4), each having their own direction.
It would be so much better if there was one entity that could balance everything such as schedules, travel etc. Take 48-60 teams, create 4 divisions by region and you only play in your region. Regional divisions would drastically cut down on travel costs. Then add a real playoff setup and none of this invitation bullshit, or bs pansy ass powder puff OOC scheduling and lets-play-a-high-school-team-in-November crap.
It would be ironic if in the future a mega conference(s) eventually broke up into regional pods that was similar in what I am describing above.
 

That is the future and the logical next step for the eternal realignment. The splitting off by the top teams in the mega conferences will be a way to trim the fat.

[TKthunder2 4985]

59 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

I wonder if the sec cares if they were to have Kentucky, North Carolina, and Duke basketball under the umbrella. 

It was rumored the SEC was looking at adding UNC/Duke before they took aggy.

Seriously though, if the power conferences are eventually moving away from the NCAA in full, which also means the tournament, adding UNC/Duke and maybe even Kansas could be very beneficial for the conference, whose biggest weakness has been basketball.

That also the same reason the Big 12 is focusing so heavily on basketball. They hope by having the hands down undisputedly BEST basketball league with Kansas, Gonzaga, UConn, Arizona, and maybe Duke that they would at least be able to join the B1G/SEC in the event of a full divorce from the NCAA.

When you look at the big picture through that point of view, the BY’s vision for the Big12 and that he is STILL pushing for UConn and Gonzaga to join as #17-18 doesn’t look as crazy as it sounds.

[Francisco 2.0 32389]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[bullet 1596]

1 hour ago, HookEm said:

Your family should start coming to grips with the fact that they are going to be in the Mountain West.

Looking at the new Window Cougar board and they seem to understand their fate.

[BurntOrange&White 39930]

I was bored so I through together this

[Guest]

LOL Kansas.

[bullet 1596]

1 hour ago, DukDukGru said:

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/21994162/history-fun-obnoxious-inescapable-sec-football-chant

What they don't mention in that article is that the season they announced, they were getting hit by the S-E-C, S-E-C chant in every SWC stadium.  They went 1-7 in conference and only beat just back from the dead SMU.

[notre dame joe 186]

57 minutes ago, redswingline said:

The entire CFB system is kind of fucked in a decentralized way if you think about it.

The NFL is one business that can set the same rules and fair schedules for everyone, divide revenue between the teams and set up a real playoff.

CFB is currently 65 different businesses in the P5 ( soon to be P4), each having their own direction.

It would be so much better if there was one entity that could balance everything such as schedules, travel etc. Take 48-60 teams, create 4 divisions by region and you only play in your region. Regional divisions would drastically cut down on travel costs. Then add a real playoff setup and none of this invitation bullshit, or bs pansy ass powder puff OOC scheduling and lets-play-a-high-school-team-in-November crap.

It would be ironic if in the future a mega conference(s) eventually broke up into regional pods that was similar in what I am describing above.

 

That's why you watch college football with your grandparents and the NFL with some shirtless oaf you of whom you can't remember the last name.

20 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

non-charter.  I guess that matters if they make the players buy tickets.

 

Also you fly into Portland and take a bus to Eugene.

 

Edited August 6, 2023 by notre dame joe

[Evil Bill Obrien 3263]

3 hours ago, Uncle Nate said:

Welp. Truth is out. It was us Red Raiders all along. Pulling the strings like Don Corleone:

 

Glad someone is out there trying to spread the truth that Tech has a good amount of conference realignment blood on its hands but this is the college football news equivalent of the Navy pilot testifying under oath to congress that we got the aliens...and there is so much else going on in the world (Pac 12 getting destroyed in a day on Friday) that no one is gonna notice...

 

[MonkeyDoughnut 10229]

58 minutes ago, redswingline said:

The entire CFB system is kind of fucked in a decentralized way if you think about it.

The NFL is one business that can set the same rules and fair schedules for everyone, divide revenue between the teams and set up a real playoff.

CFB is currently 65 different businesses in the P5 ( soon to be P4), each having their own direction.

It would be so much better if there was one entity that could balance everything such as schedules, travel etc. Take 48-60 teams, create 4 divisions by region and you only play in your region. Regional divisions would drastically cut down on travel costs. Then add a real playoff setup and none of this invitation bullshit, or bs pansy ass powder puff OOC scheduling and lets-play-a-high-school-team-in-November crap.

It would be ironic if in the future a mega conference(s) eventually broke up into regional pods that was similar in what I am describing above.

 

On its current path you don't even have to go that far. We're looking at less than 20 teams that really matter. Everything else is window dressing.

[Uncle Nate 2097]

4 minutes ago, Evil Bill Obrien said:

Glad someone is out there trying to spread the truth that Tech has a good amount of conference realignment blood on its hands but this is the college football news equivalent of the Navy pilot testifying under oath to congress that we got the aliens...and there is so much else going on in the world (Pac 12 getting destroyed in a day on Friday) that no one is gonna notice...

 

I’m gonna go with satire instead. 

[Evil Bill Obrien 3263]

3 minutes ago, Uncle Nate said:

I’m gonna go with satire instead. 

The government having aliens or Tech being a low key realignment baddie?

[Frank Drebin 5659]

The best recruits in the country will be in the SEC footprint.  And that's why the SEC will continue to dominate college football.

I would add FSU to make sure I had a stranglehold on Florida.

Kick Missouri out so you can stay at 16.

[BurntOrange&White 39930]

4 minutes ago, Frank Drebin said:

The best recruits in the country will be in the SEC footprint.  And that's why the SEC will continue to dominate college football.

I would add FSU to make sure I had a stranglehold on Florida.

Kick Missouri out so you can stay at 16.

Top 5 targets for SEC moving forward IMO

1. Notre Dame

2. UNC

3. Florida State

4. UVA

5. Clemson

[Pasken 1309]

9 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Top 5 targets for SEC moving forward IMO

1. Notre Dame

2. UNC

3. Florida State

4. UVA

5. Clemson

Kansas?

[BurntOrange&White 39930]

 

 

[BurntOrange&White 39930]

 

 

[BamaATL 16593]

2 hours ago, billfromlaketravis said:

Y’all are impossible to please. Texas is joining a conference with more revenue, better athletics, better academics, better officiating, better leadership, more stability, better branding, more land grant flagship universities, and yet y’all still find new things to bitch about. 

You think the officiating is going to better?  

Oh boy.  

[BurntOrange&White 39930]

 

 

[elfenix 34223]

 

[BurntOrange&White 39930]

 

[bullet 1596]

49 minutes ago, BamaATL said:

You think the officiating is going to better?  

Oh boy.  

Well we won't have to play Oklahoma St.!!!

One thing you won't like is that they don't protect players.  Late hits and cheap shots are often ignored.  Targeting will still be a crap shoot.  They never call holding on running plays, but do sometimes call it on pass plays.

 

[billfromlaketravis 11448]

There’s a decent chance Oregon State wins the PAC 12 this season. The schedule sets up pretty well. No USC. They get Utah and Washington at home. I’m here for the irony. 

[The Original Greaser Bob 2822]

https://pac-4.com/

[Satchel 6932]

2 hours ago, PilotsError said:

But child rapists are?

Pics?

[DukDukGru 48]

5 minutes ago, billfromlaketravis said:

There’s a decent chance Oregon State wins the PAC 12 this season. The schedule sets up pretty well. No USC. They get Utah and Washington at home. I’m here for the irony. 

Shared this article with my wife who is an OSU alum. He is promoting the same idea.

https://sports.yahoo.com/if-you-hate-whats-happening-to-college-football-heres-the-team-to-root-for-this-season-185034053.html

[Satchel 6932]

20 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

 

This^  Watching greed and ethics dance around each other in the era of big time college football is otherworldly.

[billfromlaketravis 11448]

2 minutes ago, DukDukGru said:

Shared this article with my wife who is an OSU alum. He is promoting the same idea.

https://sports.yahoo.com/if-you-hate-whats-happening-to-college-football-heres-the-team-to-root-for-this-season-185034053.html

Yeah I read that earlier today. I should have cited Wetzel, but I hate that fat yankee f***. 

Edited August 6, 2023 by billfromlaketravis

[Sbbruin 21829]

2 hours ago, notre dame joe said:

That's why you watch college football with your grandparents and the NFL with some shirtless oaf you of whom you can't remember the last name.

non-charter.  I guess that matters if they make the players buy tickets.

 

Also you fly into Portland and take a bus to Eugene.

 

It’s a long bus ride

[Sbbruin 21829]

39 minutes ago, billfromlaketravis said:

There’s a decent chance Oregon State wins the PAC 12 this season. The schedule sets up pretty well. No USC. They get Utah and Washington at home. I’m here for the irony. 

They’re a good team, but they ain’t winning the PAC unless DJU has a complete rebirth.