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With two extra at large? I don’t get why BIG and SEC have the same auto bids. SEC always is deeper at the top than BIG. If there are at largest I guess we just assume SEC gets them. 

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Just now, 'stache said:

With two extra at large? I don’t get why BIG and SEC have the same auto bids. SEC always is deeper at the top than BIG. If there are at largest I guess we just assume SEC gets them. 

Because the SEC has agreed to collude with the Big 10 due to the Big 10's financial backing.

It would be nice if they developed a more adversarial relationship, because 75% of the Big 10 are schools that are no different in any meaningful capacity than the Big 12 and ACC schools, and just got lucky that Michigan, Ohio State, and Penn State are more altruistic than any other schools in their position.

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6 minutes ago, Al_4_ISU said:

Because the SEC has agreed to collude with the Big 10 due to the Big 10's financial backing.

It would be nice if they developed a more adversarial relationship, because 75% of the Big 10 are schools that are no different in any meaningful capacity than the Big 12 and ACC schools, and just got lucky that Michigan, Ohio State, and Penn State are more altruistic than any other schools in their position.

For now. They and sec will be doing the new acc distribution model within the next few years, I guarantee it.

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3 minutes ago, 'stache said:

With two extra at large? I don’t get why BIG and SEC have the same auto bids. SEC always is deeper at the top than BIG. If there are at largest I guess we just assume SEC gets them. 

Calculus changed a little when they added the 4 out West. Before that move I don’t think they would have been gifted that 4th bid. They assume Mich/OSU/Pedo will typically be up there and Oregon/USC/Wash pretty much encompass all the competitive history of the PAC12 save those few years Stanford was competitive and a Utah team or two.

If ESPN can get Mich/OSU/Pedo and USC into the CFP they’re good with giving out the occasional spot for Indiana or Iowa for that possibility.

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25 minutes ago, 'stache said:

For now. They and sec will be doing the new acc distribution model within the next few years, I guarantee it.

I sure hope so, because Iowa fans need a fucking dose of reality that up to this point they've been mostly born on third base, and not some kind of conference tent pole.

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23 hours ago, 'stache said:

For now. They and sec will be doing the new acc distribution model within the next few years, I guarantee it.

Man, I hope that's the case. I can't wait to see the reaction of the Piggy fans.

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If that model comes to pass, I wonder if you see the bottom half SEC and Big 10 schools consider moving to the Big 12 or ACC?  If they aren't getting paid more, what's their incentive to stick around and get their heads kicked in by the blue bloods?  Like if you're a Mizzou who is forced to be paid on the virtue of what they bring to the SEC, why wouldn't you look at joining back up with your historical rivals?  Or if you're Kentucky why wouldn't you look at going to ACC where you play your arch rival as a conference game and hook up with basketball schools?  By the same token that would open up Clemson and FSU to the SEC in a way that's more profitable for all parties.

I could see that revenue model pushing things further towards Prestige Worldwide.

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4 hours ago, Al_4_ISU said:

If that model comes to pass, I wonder if you see the bottom half SEC and Big 10 schools consider moving to the Big 12 or ACC?  If they aren't getting paid more, what's their incentive to stick around and get their heads kicked in by the blue bloods?  Like if you're a Mizzou who is forced to be paid on the virtue of what they bring to the SEC, why wouldn't you look at joining back up with your historical rivals?  Or if you're Kentucky why wouldn't you look at going to ACC where you play your arch rival as a conference game and hook up with basketball schools?  By the same token that would open up Clemson and FSU to the SEC in a way that's more profitable for all parties.

I could see that revenue model pushing things further towards Prestige Worldwide.

We all been saying aggy should have went back to the Big 12 years ago...they'd probably have won it once or twice and have a much better chance to make the playoffs.

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8 minutes ago, Drew said:

We all been saying aggy should have went back to the Big 12 years ago...they'd probably have won it once or twice and have a much better chance to make the playoffs.

Aggy probably provides enough TV value that they would be taking a major pay cut in that scenario.

But given their NIL power, I'd think they would be far more likely to reach the playoffs by changing leagues.

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22 hours ago, Al_4_ISU said:

But given their NIL power, I'd think they would be far more likely to reach the playoffs by changing leagues.

It's aggy. Far more likely is a stretch. 

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On 3/12/2025 at 9:00 AM, Al_4_ISU said:

I sure hope so, because Iowa fans need a fucking dose of reality that up to this point they've been mostly born on third base, and not some kind of conference tent pole.

Iowa is one of those weird ass fan bases that have no ties to reality, based on my fairly limited exposure. They think they are a well-known helmet school, and a threat every year to win the BIG. They are a weird, not nearly as cultist similar group to aggie and Miami. No real context of their place in college football history or the media. They are more known for the teams they play than themselves but they can't separate that reality.

Someone should start a thread about the weirdest college football fans/teams. I'd throw in CU and USC as oddities as well for the kings of Fairweather Tshirts, and curiously Miami belongs in that discussion as well.

Then there is true Tshirt King, Notre Dame.

Does it seem like I hate Miami fans?

You're not wrong. It really would be an interesting discussion for the off season.

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33 minutes ago, BurntEyes said:

Iowa is one of those weird ass fan bases that have no ties to reality, based on my fairly limited exposure. They think they are a well-known helmet school, and a threat every year to win the BIG. They are a weird, not nearly as cultist similar group to aggie and Miami. No real context of their place in college football history or the media. They are more known for the teams they play than themselves but they can't separate that reality.

Someone should start a thread about the weirdest college football fans/teams. I'd throw in CU and USC as oddities as well for the kings of Fairweather Tshirts, and curiously Miami belongs in that discussion as well.

Then there is true Tshirt King, Notre Dame.

Does it seem like I hate Miami fans?

You're not wrong. It really would be an interesting discussion for the off season.

You’re absolutely spot on.  They’re low key delusional.  It’s not a cult like Aggy, but they just really don’t understand their place in the grand scheme of things at all.

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18 minutes ago, Al_4_ISU said:

Without any real natties

They were named MNC by the Football Writers Association of America in 1958. It was awarded after the bowls, in a year where the AP and UPI awarded the MNC before the bowls to LSU, who then lost their bowl game. 
 
I’ll allow it. 

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On 3/16/2025 at 8:53 AM, BurntEyes said:

Iowa is one of those weird ass fan bases that have no ties to reality, based on my fairly limited exposure. They think they are a well-known helmet school, and a threat every year to win the BIG. They are a weird, not nearly as cultist similar group to aggie and Miami. No real context of their place in college football history or the media. They are more known for the teams they play than themselves but they can't separate that reality.

Someone should start a thread about the weirdest college football fans/teams. I'd throw in CU and USC as oddities as well for the kings of Fairweather Tshirts, and curiously Miami belongs in that discussion as well.

Then there is true Tshirt King, Notre Dame.

Does it seem like I hate Miami fans?

You're not wrong. It really would be an interesting discussion for the off season.

 

On 3/16/2025 at 2:38 PM, SurlyGator said:

So in other words they are the Tennessee of the Big Ten.

Iowa has had something like two head coaches in 50 years?  And all without a pedo scandal.

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1 hour ago, notre dame joe said:

 

Iowa has had something like two head coaches in 50 years?  And all without a pedo scandal.

Ferentz did almost kill a bunch of his players in workouts about 15 years ago, then named the S&C coach his assistant of the year.

When Brian Ferentz played for Iowa, he got to live in low income housing despite his father being the highest paid state employee.

Kirk’s no pedo, but he’s done some fairly morally questionable shit in his tenure that never really drew a lot of fire because he maintains such an “aw shucks” persona.

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On 3/16/2025 at 8:02 PM, statsman said:

They were named MNC by the Football Writers Association of America in 1958. It was awarded after the bowls, in a year where the AP and UPI awarded the MNC before the bowls to LSU, who then lost their bowl game. 
 
I’ll allow it. 

Don't do this.  Bowls were largely meaningless exhibitions back then.

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On 3/16/2025 at 8:02 PM, statsman said:

They were named MNC by the Football Writers Association of America in 1958. It was awarded after the bowls, in a year where the AP and UPI awarded the MNC before the bowls to LSU, who then lost their bowl game. 
 
I’ll allow it. 

LSU went undefeated in 1958.  Iowa lost to Ohio State and tied Air Force.

LSU has a far more legitimate claim.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1958_Iowa_Hawkeyes_football_team

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1958_LSU_Tigers_football_team

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On 3/16/2025 at 8:02 PM, statsman said:

They were named MNC by the Football Writers Association of America in 1958. It was awarded after the bowls, in a year where the AP and UPI awarded the MNC before the bowls to LSU, who then lost their bowl game. 
 
I’ll allow it. 

Put it on the wall!

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LSU was an all white team that never played a game outside Dixie. 
 
Iowa arguably played a tougher schedule, was integrated and played other integrated teams. 
 
If contemporary sportswriters were willing to vote them MNC, I have no problem with it. 

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Your original argument wasn't about Iowa's schedule or being integrated.  It was about LSU losing their bowl game.  Which didn't happen.

If being progressive with integration is enough to qualify for a natty, then ISU should claim 1923.

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4 minutes ago, Al_4_ISU said:

Your original argument wasn't about Iowa's schedule or being integrated.  It was about LSU losing their bowl game.  Which didn't happen.

If being progressive with integration is enough to qualify for a natty, then ISU should claim 1923.

No, the point is that context should matter, and the dumbest way to pick a MNC is loss column bias. Example: BYU in 1984. 
 
The SEC in the ‘50s and early ‘60s was not the SEC of later decades. It was a bunch of little white guys that rarely ventured out of Dixie for a game. 
 
Again, the FWAA saw them play and voted them MNC. Why do you want to argue against that?

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7 minutes ago, statsman said:

No, the point is that context should matter, and the dumbest way to pick a MNC is loss column bias. Example: BYU in 1984. 
 
The SEC in the ‘50s and early ‘60s was not the SEC of later decades. It was a bunch of little white guys that rarely ventured out of Dixie for a game. 
 
Again, the FWAA saw them play and voted them MNC. Why do you want to argue against that?

"Little white guys" Jesus.

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6 minutes ago, statsman said:

No, the point is that context should matter, and the dumbest way to pick a MNC is loss column bias. Example: BYU in 1984. 
 
The SEC in the ‘50s and early ‘60s was not the SEC of later decades. It was a bunch of little white guys that rarely ventured out of Dixie for a game. 
 
Again, the FWAA saw them play and voted them MNC. Why do you want to argue against that?

Because we as a college football society moved away from that long ago, and Iowa's my arch-rival so I want to poke holes in their silly claims when I have a strong argument for it.

Why are you defending it when the AP (which has much more history of being the standard here) picked LSU?  My guess is you're doing it because you have an anti-Big 12 hard on, and you're looking to piss off the ISU fan.  Just a guess.

This is like the Aggy national titles you guys constantly mock.

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Naw. Arkansas is a rival, and their flame to a 1964 MNC is the FWAA vote (Alabama won the wire polls, I believe, before losing to Texas in the 1965 Orange Bowl). Look, the FWAA did that vote every year, and even awarded a MNC trophy. Is a school that just had a great season supposed to say, “Naw, Dawg, we can’t accept that, the UPI voted for someone else”?

I scoff at the MNC claims based on after-the-fact ratings (usually many years later).

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In 1958 the AP and Coaches Polls picked LSU.  An undefeated LSU.  Iowa lost (badly) to Ohio State, and tied Air Force at Kinnick.  Air Force wouldn't even graduate it's first class until the following spring.  

We can look back at it now and realize it's silly to claim they were the national champs.  90% of Iowa fans I know don't celebrate it or consider it a championship.  The ones who do are absolutely in the lunatic fringe.

Of course they're going to accept it, but it's like someone calling 2017 UCF champs just because the Colley Matrix said so.  No serious person considers these valid national championships.

 

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3 hours ago, Al_4_ISU said:

They didn't lose any games.

I know, but the other dude didn't claim LSU lost regular season games. 

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On 3/16/2025 at 4:38 PM, SurlyGator said:

So in other words they are the Tennessee of the Big Ten.

Eh.. closer to aggie than Tennessee, but a similar lack of attachment to reality and their place in college football history. Its a non-full cult, version of aggie. Maybe the Etsy version. People care and will watch Tennessee, though its admittedly extremely regional. Aggie and Iowa both think the world cares about them, they are often, incorrectly voted into the top 25, both think they're a blue blood, yet, most people care far more about watching them when they are playing, ya know, an actual blue blood. Iowa has no cult, fake army or jenga death tributes, but they are similarly devoid of reality regarding who does, or more importantly does NOT give a shit about them. Which, in both cases, is most of the US.

ISU, Wisky and Goofers love to watch them lose, like Texas (and LSU is starting to) sops up aggie tears with bread (so delicious), and because of their trumped up, errant ranking, the media plays them up as a "dangerous underdog" against ranked, real blue bloods. 

Some of that applies to Tennessee but not the majority. 

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21 hours ago, Al_4_ISU said:

Your original argument wasn't about Iowa's schedule or being integrated.  It was about LSU losing their bowl game.  Which didn't happen.

If being progressive with integration is enough to qualify for a natty, then ISU should claim 1923.

Statsman isn't known for making logically coherent arguments. 

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On 3/20/2025 at 8:46 AM, LTbear said:

Statsman isn't known for making logically coherent arguments. 

Baylor is a pissant program that had been freeriding on UT for decades, hypocritically claiming to be of higher morals while demonstrating it was happy to break any rule or law if doing so brought more wins. 
 
Its basketball program paid players illegally for decades, going sometimes to criminal lengths to hide it. 
 
Its football program paid tens of millions of dollars to buy rape victims’ silence, so it wouldn’t have to admit that the program’s greatest teams were built on a culture of gang rape. 
 
Is that logically coherent?

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54 minutes ago, statsman said:

Baylor is a pissant program that had been freeriding on UT for decades, hypocritically claiming to be of higher morals while demonstrating it was happy to break any rule or law if doing so brought more wins. 
 
Its basketball program paid players illegally for decades, going sometimes to criminal lengths to hide it. 
 
Its football program paid tens of millions of dollars to buy rape victims’ silence, so it wouldn’t have to admit that the program’s greatest teams were built on a culture of gang rape. 
 
Is that logically coherent?

We all hate Baylor, but what in the ever living fuck does this have to do with anything?

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On 3/3/2025 at 10:44 AM, Al_4_ISU said:

I'd have to think the value generators in the SEC and Big 10 are watching this very closely.

Purdue getting Ohio State $ and Vanderbilt getting UT $ is not long for this world.

 

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40 minutes ago, BurntEyes said:

In case anyone is interested the link below has the full CNBC list. That Tech is top of the Big 12 and aggie is #3 ahead of schools like Michigan and USC, it leaves me very skeptical of these evaluations.

Link to CNBC full rankings

Cal just ahead of Wake and behind Wazzu Rutger and Boston College got a major lol from me.

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37 minutes ago, TKthunder2 said:

Cal just ahead of Wake and behind Wazzu Rutger and Boston College got a major lol from me.

Cal is a head of BYU and SMU in that list too.

Yeah... there are some bizarre ones in there. 

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7 hours ago, statsman said:

Baylor is a pissant program that had been freeriding on UT for decades, hypocritically claiming to be of higher morals while demonstrating it was happy to break any rule or law if doing so brought more wins. 
 
Its basketball program paid players illegally for decades, going sometimes to criminal lengths to hide it. 
 
Its football program paid tens of millions of dollars to buy rape victims’ silence, so it wouldn’t have to admit that the program’s greatest teams were built on a culture of gang rape. 
 
Is that logically coherent?

Can you succinctly explain why you think I would/ should care about the repetitive and predictable slop an internet nobody like yourself continues to put out? Obviously I got under your skin, and I didn't even try to. 

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50 minutes ago, LTbear said:

Can you succinctly explain why you think I would/ should care about the repetitive and predictable slop an internet nobody like yourself continues to put out? Obviously I got under your skin, and I didn't even try to. 

Repetitive and predictable? Like Baylor's inability to follow the teachings of Jesus?

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On 3/19/2025 at 12:46 PM, BurntEyes said:

Eh.. closer to aggie than Tennessee, but a similar lack of attachment to reality and their place in college football history. Its a non-full cult, version of aggie. Maybe the Etsy version. People care and will watch Tennessee, though its admittedly extremely regional. Aggie and Iowa both think the world cares about them, they are often, incorrectly voted into the top 25, both think they're a blue blood, yet, most people care far more about watching them when they are playing, ya know, an actual blue blood. Iowa has no cult, fake army or jenga death tributes, but they are similarly devoid of reality regarding who does, or more importantly does NOT give a shit about them. Which, in both cases, is most of the US.

ISU, Wisky and Goofers love to watch them lose, like Texas (and LSU is starting to) sops up aggie tears with bread (so delicious), and because of their trumped up, errant ranking, the media plays them up as a "dangerous underdog" against ranked, real blue bloods. 

Some of that applies to Tennessee but not the majority. 

Iowa is at the top of their brand, the scrappy lunch pail team that wins with 3 stars.  It has been evidenced.  It was like 15 years ago but Iowa was on top of a chart of the ratio of wins:recruiting.  Somehow the Hawks run this ancient offense that found their way to the conf title game when the BUG was split by geography.  

I haven't encountered many overly proud and enthusiastic Hawkeyes.  Tennessee is #3 in SEC titles and only recently was passed by UGA at #2.  I have no idea where Iowa is/was in the little 8.

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7 hours ago, Deej said:

Repetitive and predictable? Like Baylor's inability to follow the teachings of Jesus?

Have you watched Stats' posts? Yes, predictable, repetitive, etc. I didn't even read all of his post - saw "Baylor" and my eyes rolled backwards. Seeing as Baylor has nothing to do with the topic at hand, it was/ is just such a moronic attempt at diversion from the topic at hand - in this case, his own inability to form a coherent argument.

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1 hour ago, notre dame joe said:

Any suspicious criticisms of the NCAA coming out of the Big2?  So far I heard the UCLA coach complaining about the NCAA booked flights on Allegiant.  That is pretty good cover for anyone who has had to fly on Allergant. 

Check the southwest thread then report back. They’re  all shit 

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