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How many teams will be left when the dust settles in a few years? I think there's a way for all the teams to still have some involvement. I will explain that at the end of this list. Here's my list of the top 32 programs and a list if it goes to 48. There's some debate if it goes to 48, but not much debate if it stops at 32. I guess one could debate Arizona State, but that's about it. The top 32 at least come close to carrying their own weight. Everyone below that line is losing money for t

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A look inside the beleaguered Pac-12 instant-replay command center, where Woodie Dixon is still a central figure

Dixon has no officiating experience.

He has no specialized instant-replay training.

He isn't supposed to be anywhere near the process. And yet, somehow, Dixon intervened and overruled both the in-stadium replay official and the team working at the conference's centralized command center.

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Aggy should abstain so the vote is 13-0 and then we can then brand it on their dog.

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On 11/27/2018 at 4:50 PM, kopp0e said:

Larry Scott is far overpaid, and the conference headquarters should be located in a far less expensive area, as with the PAC-16 deal, the office was set to be "split", half in Dallas...

 

The lost "key" to the Pac 16 deal was they needed the BCS auto in from both the Pac and the Big 12 to make it work.

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The lost "key" to the Pac 16 deal was they needed the BCS auto in from both the Pac and the Big 12 to make it work.

That blockbuster deal as UT/OU to PAC would have found a way to work itself out, just the same as the B1G offered Notre Dame in the 90's, & North Carolina in the 10's... 

 

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Pac-12 loses 'staring contest' with DirecTV, leaving fans in the dark and limiting the conference's reach

UCLA had a $7.5 million agreement with Adidas while Neuheisel was the Bruins' coach. About $1 million of that came in the form of apparel and equipment. Neuheisel said only a fraction of the equipment allocation ever made its way to football.

"We didn't even have enough gloves for everyone on the team," he said. "We were asked to share with the rest of the athletic department. I couldn't go to my first and second-string players and give them gloves and then not give everyone else gloves.

 

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On 11/27/2018 at 1:48 PM, Hurtlocker said:

Hadn't thought of that but the timing would line up with the big push.   Also allows them to finally shed the final mile that has been dominated by cable providers.   If its faster over the air, they're going to have the upper hand.

satellite only works well for a down stream "shoutcast" it does not work well for back and forth interaction because of the latency from earth to sat and back to earth

so the "streaming" would basically just be more channels with the broadcast "shouted" out and then you tune in to whatever channel from the bunch being received

5G is what will cut more of the last mile if it lives up to potential

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9 minutes ago, kopp0e said:

In news that's not news, some (aren't saying they will compensate for lost revenues from the projected $246 million tied up in the XII GoR's) want OU out due to inverted #Hook'Em:

'Get Oklahoma out of the Big 12 Conference' Petition has started.

Did they miss Hager's reprimand for saying "OU sucks?"

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9 hours ago, ButtFumble said:

satellite only works well for a down stream "shoutcast" it does not work well for back and forth interaction because of the latency from earth to sat and back to earth

so the "streaming" would basically just be more channels with the broadcast "shouted" out and then you tune in to whatever channel from the bunch being received

5G is what will cut more of the last mile if it lives up to potential

Yeah that's what I meant.   Now, the issue being you need a fuckton of more antennas since 5Gs compressed frequency doesn't travel far, but if you're spiking bandwidth over today its going to get set up in the urban markets.   That's a very easy way for Verizon and AT&T to jump cable markets and get into the houses to stream.

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6 hours ago, kopp0e said:

In news that's not news, some (aren't saying they will compensate for lost revenues from the projected $246 million tied up in the XII GoR's) want OU out due to inverted #Hook'Em:

'Get Oklahoma out of the Big 12 Conference' Petition has started.

sweet baby jesus that's the dumbest fucking thing I've read since TexAgs

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Here is a contrast in two (mainly) coastal conferences, that are currently jockeying for 4th best paid conference, (as paid from current media contracts):


As said before, the issues in the PAC bode well for Texas & Oklahoma in the XII, if both so wish to expand with P5 schools, as opposed to leaving the league...

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6 minutes ago, kopp0e said:

As said before, the issues in the PAC bode well for Texas & Oklahoma in the XII, if both so wish to expand with P5 schools, as opposed to leaving the league...

It is, but not how you’re thinking.  The Big12 and PAC12 have been left out of the playoff more than any other conference, neither has a strong contract for their 3rd party rights, and both conferences have some dead weight they can get rid of to become stronger.

We don’t need to raid them, and they don’t need to raid us because either scenario you end up with a weaker conference.  We need to simply start a new conference and get rid of the schools that can’t hold their own weight and don’t belong (like Baylor, West Virginia, Iowa State, K State, Washington State, Oregon State, Utah).

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5 hours ago, Post Oak said:

Well, now I'm certain it was a mistake not to expand.

Also, this little gem from Del Conte:

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I would much prefer the PAC-12 over B1G, but anything is an improvement over the Big-12. It would at least give us a chance to avenge the back-to-back Maryland losses...

We'd be in the West with exciting conference foes like Northwestern, Iowa, Illinois, Purdue, and Minnesota.  We'd only get the privilege of playing Maryland a couple times per decade.

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We'd be in the West with exciting conference foes like Northwestern, Iowa, Illinois, Purdue, and Minnesota.  We'd only get the privilege of playing Maryland a couple times per decade.

No move really seems that great. The SEC gets us the best collection of games, but it would hurt to see us tie ourselves to the most corrupt conference. The Big 10 has good academic ties, but we aren't really trading up that much on the games with that division. The ACC and Pac suck.

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2 minutes ago, rickyspub said:

No move really seems that great. The SEC gets us the best collection of games, but it would hurt to see us tie ourselves to the most corrupt conference. The Big 10 has good academic ties, but we aren't really trading up that much on the games with that division. The ACC and Pac suck.

Most don't want to admit it but the SEC would be the best spot Texas could land in.

West: Texas, OU, Arkansas, Texas A&M, LSU, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Missiouri

East: Florida, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Georgia, Kentucky Alabama, Auburn, South Carolina

Not only is it the best choice financially but when you line up the fact that in terms of sports that I would say most fans at Texas care about in terms of interest goes football, baseball, then basketball. Watching Texas play baseball in the SEC would be fun.

Next best option would be the ACC. B1G as has been mentioned before is signing up for geographic isolation and going out west is suicide.

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9 minutes ago, chase25 said:

Most don't want to admit it but the SEC would be the best spot Texas could land in.

West: Texas, OU, Arkansas, Texas A&M, LSU, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Missiouri

East: Florida, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Georgia, Kentucky Alabama, Auburn, South Carolina

Not only is it the best choice financially but when you line up the fact that in terms of sports that I would say most fans at Texas care about in terms of interest goes football, baseball, then basketball. Watching Texas play baseball in the SEC would be fun.

Next best option would be the ACC. B1G as has been mentioned before is signing up for geographic isolation and going out west is suicide.

The ACC would suck. I am not even that interested in having FSU and Clemson on the schedule and that's the best of the lot. The travel would be the worst of 4 other conferences. The Pac would probably only be slightly better on travel than the Big 10 in terms of divisional play, assuming there are 4 from the old Big 12, but the overall travel would be much, much worse in the Pac. At least the majority of the Big 10 teams are in the Central Time Zone.

If the money works out staying put is probably the best option, even if it comes with some sort of shared media rights with the Pac.

I don't like the SEC and think we probably don't make the move. That said, I would actually take your SEC West as a new Big 12 with Ok State, Tech, TCU,  and Kansas.

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This is precisely why we didn't make a move in the rounds of realignment in 2010, or 2011.  Geographically the only one that makes sense is the SEC.  And since OU would most likely make that move with us, we'd be reunited with our other two traditional rivals, still have OU, and get to play LSU.  But, there are still so many drawbacks.  And the geographic disadvantages to joining the PAC or B1G are painfully huge.  

There's a reason the B12 exists as a middle-American conference.  Texas is sort of land-locked from an athletic-conference standpoint, the state is just so huge that going beyond its borders all the way to the great lakes or either coast, just doesn't work.

 

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51 minutes ago, chase25 said:

Most don't want to admit it but the SEC would be the best spot Texas could land in.

West: Texas, OU, Arkansas, Texas A&M, LSU, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Missiouri

East: Florida, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Georgia, Kentucky Alabama, Auburn, South Carolina

Not only is it the best choice financially but when you line up the fact that in terms of sports that I would say most fans at Texas care about in terms of interest goes football, baseball, then basketball. Watching Texas play baseball in the SEC would be fun.

Next best option would be the ACC. B1G as has been mentioned before is signing up for geographic isolation and going out west is suicide.

You have to preserve rivalries. SEC would function better as North/South under this hypothetical.

"North": Texas, OU, atm, arky, ole miss, miss st, Mizzou, South Carolina

"South": Bama, LSU, Florida, Georgia, Vandy, Tennessee, Kentucky, Auburn. 

South would be a bit stronger I guess - but the Texas/OU pairing is a powerhouse.

Play your division to keep rivalries intact and then play the other division on an 8 year home and home rotation.

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2 minutes ago, ztejas said:

You have to preserve rivalries. SEC would function better as North/South under this hypothetical.

"North": Texas, OU, atm, arky, ole miss, miss st, Mizzou, South Carolina

"South": Bama, LSU, Florida, Georgia, Vandy, Tennessee, Kentucky, Auburn. 

South would be a bit stronger I guess - but the Texas/OU pairing is a powerhouse.

Play your division to keep rivalries intact and then play the other division on an 8 year home and home rotation.

LSU could stay in the West and most likely would. Alabama would probably use the protected cross divisional rivalry game that they currently have with Tennessee, to play LSU every year.

You can't put Alabama, LSU, Florida, Georgia, and Auburn all in one division.

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3 minutes ago, utee94 said:

16 team conferences.  Gross.

Even 14 is way too many.  12 was too many but workable.  10 is ideal.

But, money-grab, so...

The only reason it is bad is because conferences seem persistent on not increasing the conference schedule to more than 9 games.

In a 16 team conference, if you went to a 10 game conference schedule, would allow you to play the 7 teams in your division and 3 from the other division.

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LSU could stay in the West and most likely would. Alabama would probably use the protected cross divisional rivalry game that they currently have with Tennessee, to play LSU every year.

You can't put Alabama, LSU, Florida, Georgia, and Auburn all in one division.

That would work if you went to 10 conference games. 

Now that I'm looking at it all I did was switch SCAR and LSU lol.

Or - here begins the intrigue - what about four four team divisions?

OU/Texas/ATM/Arkansas

LSU/Ole Miss/Miss St/Mizzou

Georgia/Florida/Kentucky/SCAR

Tennessee/Bama/Vandy/Auburn

Play your division - then play 2 teams from each of the other 3 making considerations for rivalries - 2 OOC games - top 2 division winners play for the conference.*

Create 4 of these - have the conference title winners get auto bids - and then do 4 at large that could include other FBS teams if they performed well enough.

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The only reason it is bad is because conferences seem persistent on not increasing the conference schedule to more than 9 games.

In a 16 team conference, if you went to a 10 game conference schedule, would allow you to play the 7 teams in your division and 3 from the other division.

I like the big intersectional matchups.  I like seeing Texas play USC and Notre Dame and LSU and Michigan and Ohio State.  I'm  completely against anything that would make those matchups LESS likely, and moving conference schedules to 10 conference-games would definitely start squeezing out some of the intersectional matchups.

10-team conferences playing 9 conference games in a full roundrobin would be ideal.  There's no way we're ever turning back the clock to that, but moving to 16-team conferences is definitely a step in the wrong direction.

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the answer is to play FEWER conference games and let each team craft a schedule for their own needs

Texas and OU (and some others) can schedule for names and making the playoffs, others can schedule for decent home and home games with equal teams that draw fans, give a chance for a win and that do not cost $1,000,000 to bring in shit for a buy in win.....some can schedule for wins so their programs can get out of the ditch

fewer conference games means less dependence on teams that some think schedule for shit and also more scheduled wins for some of those teams stuck at 3 or 5 wins a year for multiple years means they actually are a better strength of schedule when they are on the schedule

there is no need to move to a terrible league (to most likely be in the shit half of the conference like the PAC 12, Big 10 and ACC) or to put up with the bullshit in the SEC SEC SEC......simply losen the ties to yourself with the teams in the conference that had treated you well overall and let that conference serve each member for THEIR needs instead of trying to fit each member into some box they are not going to fit in or forcing all members to accept things that are bad for them because it is good for others

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Yes, the B1G will "target" both Oklahoma & Texas, as the league sees the writing on the wall in needing new markets...
Just the same as the SEC will "target" the duo, and the PAC would look to form an alliance/ merger with the XII members...

Just dropping this thought here, on the opinion of local/national sports columnist who could be hearing something; maybe not much at all:



It comes down to what league offers a best deal to Oklahoma & Texas, B1G/SEC or merger in PAC; keeping king status...
No different than local/ national media pundits, who within the last few years who also state the SEC & PAC as serious options as well:
 

 


 

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Aug 13, 2016 - Since the departures of bedrock members, the Big 12 has no ideal. Some ... Merger with SEC or Pac-12 is the Big 12's only chance for stability.

 

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14 minutes ago, kopp0e said:

Yes, the B1G will "target" both Oklahoma & Texas, as the league sees the writing on the wall in needing new markets...
Just the same as the SEC will "target" the duo, and the PAC would look to form an alliance/ merger with the XII members...

Just dropping this thought here, on the opinion of local/national sports columnist who could be hearing something; maybe not much at all:



It comes down to what league offers a best deal to Oklahoma & Texas, B1G/SEC or merger in PAC; keeping king status...
No different than local/ national media pundits, who within the last few years who also state the SEC & PAC as serious options as well:
 

 


 

 

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On 12/1/2018 at 1:32 AM, Thiefery said:

wouldn't mind offering the AZ schools.. then make East, West divisions

 

Same. Lets grab the Arizona school's and bring in Utah so we can drop WVU. I don't think Utah is very happy with the Pac right now.

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, F250 said:

Same. Lets grab the Arizona school's and bring in Utah so we can drop WVU. I don't think Utah is very happy with the Pac right now.

 

 

 

Utah doesn't bring anything to the table though.  Would be better off bringing back Colorado.  

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44 minutes ago, Gaelic said:

Utah doesn't bring anything to the table though.  Would be better off bringing back Colorado.  

Colorado is preferable but Utah would be a realistic school to poach along with the Arizona schools. I doubt Colorado would come back.

 

 

 

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