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How many teams will be left when the dust settles in a few years? I think there's a way for all the teams to still have some involvement. I will explain that at the end of this list. Here's my list of the top 32 programs and a list if it goes to 48. There's some debate if it goes to 48, but not much debate if it stops at 32. I guess one could debate Arizona State, but that's about it. The top 32 at least come close to carrying their own weight. Everyone below that line is losing money for t

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6 minutes ago, Nueces River Rat said:

Can someone please educate me on why the cultural fit card is being played citing we will not be a good fit in the SEC?

It's not like our recruiting base exclusively comes from the wealthy zip codes in the Metroplex, Houston, or any others across the state.

And neither does our student body for that matter.     I get we have higher academics standards, etc., than a number of institutions in the SEC and it needs to stay there.   But we don't go around sipping wine and  eating cheese on crackers at our tailgates and other functions like they do somewhere like  a Stanford for crying out loud.  

 

remember that this card is being played by delusional aggy, not by anyone who actually grasps the situation

this is like relying on what a mark said to understand how a con works... while the mark is being conned.

actually, that's not a simile

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3 minutes ago, UncleSonny said:

If this happens quickly one lame duck season will be more than enough. I don't expect to get a call all season in conference play, it's gonna be a free-for-all out there. 

Can you imagine how funny it would be if we made the conference championship game and played OU? The Big12 half heartedly hyping a game between the teams that killed it, basically paying for a showcase for another conference? Bowlsby gritting his teeth while (good willing) handing the trophy to Sark? It would be fucking incredible.  

 

Would be the ideal scenario for both teams this year to make the Big 12 title . I don’t think this is something we can just be patient with and make the love 2-3 seasons down the road. Especially after your above reasoning with relationship with the fractured conference 

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This savage guy could be fun to roast in the future.  Apparently he isn't aware that B12 also-ran Missouri quickly won the East after joining the mighty SEC and aggy has a better winning % in the SEC than they did in the B12.  Other than Bama, stepping into the SEC is not exactly a huge leap. 

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This savage guy could be fun to roast in the future.  Apparently he isn't aware that B12 also-ran Missouri quickly won the East after joining the mighty SEC and aggy has a better winning % in the SEC than they did in the B12.  Other than Bama, stepping into the SEC is not exactly a huge leap. 

What the fuck is baw ball?

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9 minutes ago, MIkeHoncho said:

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This savage guy could be fun to roast in the future.  Apparently he isn't aware that B12 also-ran Missouri quickly won the East after joining the mighty SEC and aggy has a better winning % in the SEC than they did in the B12.  Other than Bama, stepping into the SEC is not exactly a huge leap. 

Wtf is “baw ball”?

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6 minutes ago, Rimbo said:

remember that this card is being played by delusional aggy, not by anyone who actually grasps the situation

this is like relying on what a mark said to understand how a con works... while the mark is being conned.

actually, that's not a simile

You used "like" so it is a simile, not a metaphor.  Don't feel bad.  I always have to look it up.  

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15 minutes ago, Nueces River Rat said:

Can someone please educate me on why the cultural fit card is being played citing we will not be a good fit in the SEC?

It's not like our recruiting base exclusively comes from the wealthy zip codes in the Metroplex, Houston, or any others across the state.

And neither does our student body for that matter.     I get we have higher academics standards, etc., than a number of institutions in the SEC and it needs to stay there.   But we don't go around sipping wine and  eating cheese on crackers at our tailgates and other functions like they do somewhere like  a Stanford for crying out loud.  

 

Aggy: "We're gonna change the College Football Landscape for 100 years!"

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8 hours ago, Al_4_ISU said:

I had no issue with Texas until yesterday.  I've made that abundantly clear over the years.

My issue is that whenever someone leaves they say "we had no choice, we had to do it".  Nebraska said this, and it was a lie.  Aggy said this, and it was a lie.  Why would I believe Texas and OU when they say it?  You have a choice.  And it looks like you've made it, and I just hope like hell we make it out alive.

In this case, a good partner would be working with the others to find a win-win resolution on the way out the door.  Not just dropping a bomb out of nowhere.  Working behind the rest of your partner's backs without helping them find a way out isn't being a good partner.

I'm throwing a "like" at this post because I get the sentiment. I have a crush on ISU for the lockerroom after they beat Nebraska so many years ago and, perhaps surprisingly, for beating Mack Brown at DKR. I hated it when it happened, but I had to admire the effort. ISU has done all it can to compete, and they are certainly now a competitive football team not to be overlooked.

I'm lamenting this seachange in college football. I think the popularity of pro football has had gravitational pull how fans view college football.

It's all winning. Period. It's all about money, you naive fuck, and it always has been.

Actually, no as far as the money goes. That came with TV but not even at the beginning of TV coverage. It came when the NCAA limits on TV appearances were lifted (yay! we can watch out teams!) and suddenly ESPN and other outlets had money to vie for the rights.

Old money was $100 handshakes, sinecures for starters, and other forms of cheating that seem kind of quaint now.

I don't want to see the possibility of an ISU, TCU, Rutgers, or Syracuse having good years where they whip people they usually don't whip. It was part of the fun.

This is now a juggernaut. I do like the idea of a conference schedule with more traditional powers. I don't want to see the little guy shoved under the bus in the name of progress. Of course, nobody does or likely should care about what I think or feel.

Creasy Bear above makes a valid point about what is owed. It's cold blooded, but apt.

I'll just have to reassess how I feel about the game when the dust settles.

I gave up pro sports because I just couldn't give a shit about mercenary millionaires. I'd hate to have to do the same with college football.

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aggy on secrant just going nuts/ape-shit...telling how we would be coming into the league and changing everything.....running scared, I'd say:

Texas ain't coming in and dictating shit, if they want in they will get in line, they need us we don't need them.

This league was built on telling bigger, richer, supposedly better schools and programs to go fvck themselves. We've been doing it to each other, the B1G and the nation since Alabama went out to the Rose Bowl for the first time. If you think the University of fvckin Texas is going to walk in and all of sudden destroy 100 years of that sort of culture and attitude then you need to re-educate yourself on the league you are in.

texas will try to manhandle the SEC but there are too many big dogs to deal with their shite. I think the bigger question is whether texas can handle being 1 of 16. They may think yes now but after a few years of not getting their way I could see them bailing.

The SEC is a bigger challenge and they won't dominate as much, but Texas doesn't need political power in Georgia or Florida. You may not realize it, but no SEC school has as much political pursuasion as Texas.

This isn't about football.

I do not think Alabama under stands the situation when Texas joins the conference. Saban is not going to be coach forever. Look it as a power situation or like a giant RISK game. Oklahoma is already in their orbit. They are like their best friend. They will do what ever Texas wants. That is one school right there. Arkansas was there second best friend back in the SWC days and now get to be their friend again. They will want to the best friend and do what Texas wants. That is two schools now. Texas A&M will see the writing on the wall and will be the best little brother again and will what Texas wants. That is three schools. Missouri is in the same situation as Texas A&M because they will be more dependent on Texas than Alabama. That makes in 4 schools now in their orbit. Just need 3 more to get half the conference. LSU always whining about Alabama running the conference. Texas will go them and said this is there chance to take down Alabama. Auburn is kind in the same boat is LSU. Texas will go to them and say this is your chance to take your big brother down. What about the Mississippi schools? Are sure they are tired of Alabama taking a lot of top talent out of their state. Texas will tried to use that. What about Tennessee? Texas will to them and saying are tired of being under Alabama? What about Florida? Texas will say we are the 2 big state schools that is in the AAU we should stick run the conference not Alabama.

I am not saying all this is going to happen. However, Texas is going to wheel and deal to gain control and they will have plenty of cards to play.

We don’t want them here because we know who they are.

Just aggy being aggy!!!!!

 

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57 minutes ago, Revolution512 said:

Powerful House Chairman……hmm let me think of another guy in a chair with veto power

I wouldn't count on Abbott to be a strong ally here. He might be -- but I wouldn't bet the house on it.

 

52 minutes ago, Penche Gringo said:

They don’t have the votes and the Governor is a Longhorn. Plus, Ann Richards and Bob Bullock ain’t  walking through that door anytime soon. 

Neither is Greg.

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What a wild 30 hours or so...keeping up with this thread is challenging while trying to get some work done but I'll chime in with a few thoughts:

1. This is a business decision, pure and simple...as almost everything is. What is great for UT at this time is that you have a chairman and University president aligned with the understanding that the business of college athletics is important and a school that thinks it is one of the best in the country should excel on both sides of that ledger. In addition, they seem to understand as it relates to football that culturally, football is very important to the state of Texas and the flagship school should be at the top of heap given the sport's cultural importance to the citizens it is supposed to cater to as a public institution. With the landscape changing quickly because of NIL and other factors, this is the right move at the right time and bringing our long time rival along to cement the deal makes it a no brainer for any conference. No way the SEC passes on this opportunity and they will tell A&M to go sit in timeout while the adults make the decisions. If A&M tries any chicanery, there will be hell to pay.

2. The eventual admission of UT and OU to the SEC will create a new football "country" in this land - The Football States of America (FSA), which will now wield more power than the Big 10 aligned NCAA will have. A new Mason-Dixon line of sorts in college athletics (closely paralleling the old one ironically). Its an absolute threat to the Big 10 which will now figure out how to align with and "bail out" the PAC-10. Won't be a merger, but there will be something done to counter the SEC's move. The ACC sits in an interesting spot, but I bet they begin to align more closely with the SEC as the football powers that be are squarely in or in close proximity to the new SEC footprint.

3. While I feel for the conference mates that get left behind, as the great Don Corleone said, its not personal, its business. This shit happens in the real world all the time..top people from companies always upgrade when they see an opportunity and it is usually because they economically benefit. Companies like to tout "culture, culture, culture" all the time, but the reality is the big players go where the dollars are 99+% of the time. This is no different. However, I do see landing spots for OSU, ISU, the Kansas schools, WVU, and even Tech. They all got big $ while the Big 12 was together, especially after the initial defections and almost all of them have done significant upgrades (well, except for maybe KU) to their facilities to get them in position for this point. Even if in the early round of this there aren't spots...there will be some opening up in short order. Watch the ACC...they have some smaller schools (looking at you BC, Duke, and Wake) who might not want to play in the new NIL sandbox which will drive the cost of competing in college athletics much higher. Yes, even Duke who has to wonder what will happen when Coach K retires. We are moving towards a 64 or 72 high level football league and if schools are willing to do what it takes to commit to it, there will be a spot in the big leagues. I think ISU, KSU, KU, WVU, OSU and Tech are willing. Baylor and TCU think they are...we will see.

4. A&M's schadenfreude is glorious to watch but at the end of the day it is their own fucking fault that they still don't have a brand identity separate and apart from Texas (which is what the whining is really about). They had a decade head start but because they tied their identity more to the conference than their own school, they fucked up. And if you push your Ag friends on this point, anyone with a half a brain would have to concede that point. John Sharp going around trying to cut deals with SEC schools like this is the 1980's Texas government...good luck with that. Legislature going to bail you out by threatening to cut UT's funding? State's population has almost doubled since the formation of the Big 12 and a state trying to promote STEM and tech companies moving here, etc,. etc., isn't going to cut the knees of its best public university and best state school system because Jethro from BFE East Texas, Carter from Levelland, or Josiah from the suburbs of Waco living in a Magnolia renovated house don't think its fair that Texas can just up and change conferences without their consent.

This should be fun...

 

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What a wild 30 hours or so...keeping up with this thread is challenging while trying to get some work done but I'll chime in with a few thoughts:

1. This is a business decision, pure and simple...as almost everything is. What is great for UT at this time is that you have a chairman and University president aligned with the understanding that the business of college athletics is important and a school that thinks it is one of the best in the country should excel on both sides of that ledger. In addition, they seem to understand as it relates to football that culturally, football is very important to the state of Texas and the flagship school should be at the top of heap given the sport's cultural importance to the citizens it is supposed to cater to as a public institution. With the landscape changing quickly because of NIL and other factors, this is the right move at the right time and bringing our long time rival along to cement the deal makes it a no brainer for any conference. No way the SEC passes on this opportunity and they will tell A&M to go sit in timeout while the adults make the decisions. If A&M tries any chicanery, there will be hell to pay.

2. The eventual admission of UT and OU to the SEC will create a new football "country" in this land - The Football States of America (FSA), which will now wield more power than the Big 10 aligned NCAA will have. A new Mason-Dixon line of sorts in college athletics (closely paralleling the old one ironically). Its an absolute threat to the Big 10 which will now figure out how to align with and "bail out" the PAC-10. Won't be a merger, but there will be something done to counter the SEC's move. The ACC sits in an interesting spot, but I bet they begin to align more closely with the SEC as the football powers that be are squarely in or in close proximity to the new SEC footprint.

3. While I feel for the conference mates that get left behind, as the great Don Corleone said, its not personal, its business. This shit happens in the real world all the time..top people from companies always upgrade when they see an opportunity and it is usually because they economically benefit. Companies like to tout "culture, culture, culture" all the time, but the reality is the big players go where the dollars are 99+% of the time. This is no different. However, I do see landing spots for OSU, ISU, the Kansas schools, WVU, and even Tech. They all got big $ while the Big 12 was together, especially after the initial defections and almost all of them have done significant upgrades (well, except for maybe KU) to their facilities to get them in position for this point. Even if in the early round of this there aren't spots...there will be some opening up in short order. Watch the ACC...they have some smaller schools (looking at you BC, Duke, and Wake) who might not want to play in the new NIL sandbox which will drive the cost of competing in college athletics much higher. Yes, even Duke who has to wonder what will happen when Coach K retires. We are moving towards a 64 or 72 high level football league and if schools are willing to do what it takes to commit to it, there will be a spot in the big leagues. I think ISU, KSU, KU, WVU, OSU and Tech are willing. Baylor and TCU think they are...we will see.

4. A&M's schadenfreude is glorious to watch but at the end of the day it is their own fucking fault that they still don't have a brand identity separate and apart from Texas (which is what the whining is really about). They had a decade head start but because they tied their identity more to the conference than their own school, they fucked up. And if you push your Ag friends on this point, anyone with a half a brain would have to concede that point. John Sharp going around trying to cut deals with SEC schools like this is the 1980's Texas government...good luck with that. Legislature going to bail you out by threatening to cut UT's funding? State's population has almost doubled since the formation of the Big 12 and a state trying to promote STEM and tech companies moving here, etc,. etc., isn't going to cut the knees of its best public university and best state school system because Jethro from BFE East Texas, Carter from Levelland, or Josiah from the suburbs of Waco living in a Magnolia renovated house don't think its fair that Texas can just up and change conferences without their consent.

This should be fun...

 

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This savage guy could be fun to roast in the future.  Apparently he isn't aware that B12 also-ran Missouri quickly won the East after joining the mighty SEC and aggy has a better winning % in the SEC than they did in the B12.  Other than Bama, stepping into the SEC is not exactly a huge leap. 

Thats exactly what I keep saying to folks on twitter and shit.  They all take BAMA'S success as theirs.  It's Bama, occasionally another really good team pops up(LSU 2 years ago or so), a bunch of decent to good teams, and a bunch of mediocre to bad teams...JUST like every other conference.  How are they so stupid to see that?

Texas isn't going to go in there and win the Conference, but they'll compete.  OU has a chance to win the conference though.  Something Aggy doesn't.

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