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How many teams will be left when the dust settles in a few years? I think there's a way for all the teams to still have some involvement. I will explain that at the end of this list. Here's my list of the top 32 programs and a list if it goes to 48. There's some debate if it goes to 48, but not much debate if it stops at 32. I guess one could debate Arizona State, but that's about it. The top 32 at least come close to carrying their own weight. Everyone below that line is losing money for t

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Aggy should abstain so the vote is 13-0 and then we can then brand it on their dog.

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7 minutes ago, SquishMitten said:

 


That’s a bit of an overstatement. It’s just us and OU having an average of 1-2 bigger games each season. Depending on how pods/divisions work out, some years maybe more and some years less. We’re not adding Bama, LSU, Georgia and Florida every season

 

No, but when you’re in the sec games against tenn, sc, and the Mississippis get billed as top tier matchups. 

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18 minutes ago, BornAndRaised said:

This is kind of what I'm hoping for. I can't think of who would find a home as quickly as tech though. Can we appreciate for a moment how we absolutely skullfucked Tech twice in the span of a few months? We stole their coach and then demolished their conference. 

Hell, even knifed them in the gut on the football field mid-Horns-Down.

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So I am guessing the 5pm B12 Zoom meeting didn’t go so well with TT already signaling they are throwing in the towel.

 

The main guy that is plugged in on the frogs of war TCU board stated that before the meeting at least 1 school had pretty much began the process of solidifying their landing spot (I assumed he didn’t mean TCU because how he felt their chances are of not heading back to the MWC/AAC) and the real strategy of the call was to determine who is in and who is out and should they backfill of blow it up. Seeing these tweets make me think TT didn’t get the news they liked and there may be enough schools looking to go to kill the league overall.

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14 minutes ago, mdmost said:

You know I don't want to shit on Tech but what did they expect? That we would be together forever? There are only so many spaces to go and we were bound for one of the conferences with only so much room. And we were always going with OU. And it was always ending when the Grant Of Rights ended. 

Just like everyone not named OU, they expected us to carry their water.

Welp, free rides over . 
Time to put on your big boy pants.

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Um. No it isn't. It's also every team that gets Texas or OU added to their schedule. 
Hypothetically - Arkansas/Auburn is now Arkansas/Texas. aggy/Missouri is now aggy/OU. That's 2 games and already a big difference. And that would just be within the division. 
If they do 2 cross-division games - you now get games like OU/Bama and Florida/Texas instead of Bama/Kentucky or Florida/Miss St.
I mean - are you kidding me? Have you thought this through? 
Also - that's without looking at the other side of the conference. There's no way of knowing what this will actually look like - but as has been suggested - say Bama and Barn go to the East. Now you get: Georgia/Bama, Florida/Bama, Florida/Auburn every year without fail. You no longer get Bama/LSU or Auburn/LSU - but you now get aggy/Texas, Texas/LSU and Oklahoma LSU.
The schedule would be nutty.

Maybe I misunderstood you. I interpreted your statement to mean tons of games garnering national attention. Us playing Arky, Kentucky, anybody from Mississippi, aggy, Missouri, Vandy, etc isn’t a bigger game nationally than what our Big 12 schedule would be. Sure, it’s a bigger game for those teams, but it’s not “like the playoffs” or however you phrased it.
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25 minutes ago, BornAndRaised said:

 Can we appreciate for a moment how we absolutely skullfucked Tech twice in the span of a few months? We stole their coach and then demolished their conference. 

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1 minute ago, SquishMitten said:


Maybe I misunderstood you. I interpreted your statement to mean tons of games garnering national attention. Us playing Arky, Kentucky, anybody from Mississippi, aggy, Missouri, Vandy, etc isn’t a bigger game nationally than what our Big 12 schedule would be. Sure, it’s a bigger game for those teams, but it’s not “like the playoffs” or however you phrased it.

I meant for the SEC as a whole there are going to be some crazy weekend slates. Any time you add teams you are obviously adding total conference games. Sure, there will be just as many shitty matchups across the conference and not every game Texas plays will be marquee, but you're ALWAYS going to have 2 or 3 must watch games. If they go from 8 to 9 conference games that's another 8 games added. And the 2 new teams in this case are both blue bloods that would also be reviving certain rivalry games. Texas/OU is now an SEC conference game. 

Potentially a Texas/Florida and OU/Bama home and home in conference every 8 years? 

It's going to be crazy. 

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I meant for the SEC as a whole there are going to be some crazy weekend slates. Any time you add teams you are obviously adding total conference games. Sure, there will be just as many shitty matchups across the conference and not every game Texas plays will be marquee, but you're ALWAYS going to have 2 or 3 must watch games. If they go from 8 to 9 conference games that's another 8 games added. And the 2 new teams in this case are both blue bloods that would also be reviving certain rivalry games. Texas/OU is now an SEC conference game. 

Potentially a Texas/Florida and OU/Bama home and home in conference every 8 years? 

It's going to be crazy. 

They were talking about this on the radio today and how SEC isn’t going to just give us prime game slots as the new guy and we will have A Lot of 11am kickoff games.  

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5 minutes ago, Horn80 said:

I don’t think this is a done deal either.  Wouldn’t surprise me if 4 SEC schools vote no and Texas and OU end up elsewhere.

Disagree, but also McMurphy’s source was saying they don’t think it’s a done deal that Texas and OU are leaving the Big12. 

Immediately after a call about the conference’s future that we didn’t even bother to join. 

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Just now, Hook1997 said:

They were talking about this on the radio today and how SEC isn’t going to just give us prime game slots as the new guy and we will have A Lot of 11am kickoff games.  

I heard part of the deal was that all of the Sooners games have to be at 11.

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Just going to throw this out there.  I think this is already a done deal, but if it does not go through.........Going to be some real interesting times if ou and Texas stay. Right now I would say Texas can't go to Lubbock after the Beard move and now this.   Texas will need a full security detail, no matter which way this goes.

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8 minutes ago, Horn80 said:

I don’t think this is a done deal either.  Wouldn’t surprise me if 4 SEC schools vote no and Texas and OU end up elsewhere.

If Texas wants to join the SEC, Texas is joining the SEC.

If Texas doesn't join the SEC, it's because Texas is getting more money not to join the SEC.

That's how this works.

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3 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

I would think an AD would be grateful to be cc'ed on the emails.  This is a business decision, way above that level, and that's WITHOUT considering the state politics that could be involved.

This is how I understand it in hearing a bunch of stories today. Also, if folks would just look at the early reporting yesterday after the leak, the stuff that came from UT sources, the names being thrown about repeatedly are Eltife and Hartsell. The amount of people who knew anything about this until very recently was less than a handful. Sankey, OU leadership, the top UT guys, and a few others. No one else knew shit.

3 hours ago, TrashMaster G said:

Assuming your facts are in order, you are choosing to characterize CDC as "clueless" and not one of "the adults", heavily implying that this stuff is beyond his capacity.  Do you have anything to support this and your characterization of him as less than fully engaged/competent?  Or is it possible that he and Hartzell and others on their respective staffs have created a division of labor that just happens to fall this way and you are choosing to use it to impugn him?

Separate my hyperbole out and you'll have context. Whatever anyone thinks of CDC, this was not his game to be played. 

3 hours ago, boilerhorn said:

This is the key takeaway.  The impact of such a move is well above the level and responsibility of the AD - at any university.  Even the most talented AD in the country would not be involved in the initial discussions.  The stakes are too high.

@closetojumping - when you refer to "adults" in this context, do you mean President + BOR?  Are others involved?

Just remove the term "adults in the room". I was typing fast in a meeting and it's clear it's distracting here. It's just not been a deal where ADs would be productively involved because of the element of institutional risk. Plus, Dodds and all of the leaks last time severely fucked everything up. Credit to the UT brass this time around for not doing any of that. The only reason this leaked is because eventually, the rest of the SEC needed to know what was happening. The story is that ATM and Missiouri were purposely never consulted and weren't told a fucking thing until this was as close to fait accompli as it could get.

2 hours ago, Valmy77 said:

He thinks he made a mockery of all of his hires. I am not sure what he is comparing it to. Most of our hires since 1956 have been mockeries.

Patently untrue. I have no issue with CDC's hires outside of football, gave him credit for such on this thread and others, and you can't find a single fucking instance in which your claim in this post is supported. I didn't like the Sarkisian hire, which happened in spite of CDC but he didn't acquit himself well in the lead up to it, which I criticized him for, and I felt like he was an idiot for letting Sarkisian think he could hire Mike Stoops, which I criticized him for. 

Fuck you and the dipshit you quoted for intimating otherwise on this shit. There are plenty of honest things to criticize about me as a post, or mock, so you don't need to lazily go making shit up. 

1 hour ago, Eggo said:

It's not a $150M loss. We'd collect on the SEC Network - less than $15M/year, but the gains would likely overcome the losses. Also, we've probably still got another year, so it will be less than 150. 

The LHN is likely to be repurposed and expanded as a second SEC network. In fact, there may be a SEC West and a SEC East network for everyone leveraging access inroads already made with the SEC and LHN networks. 

And Texas isn't going to lose anything associated to the LHN revenue going away. Whatever anyone thinks about the UT admin and athletic department, they're not altruists and they're not going to do anything that denigrates revenue or the brand. 

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