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How many teams will be left when the dust settles in a few years? I think there's a way for all the teams to still have some involvement. I will explain that at the end of this list. Here's my list of the top 32 programs and a list if it goes to 48. There's some debate if it goes to 48, but not much debate if it stops at 32. I guess one could debate Arizona State, but that's about it. The top 32 at least come close to carrying their own weight. Everyone below that line is losing money for t

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2 minutes ago, CycleTex87 said:

For sure. Just not reciprocated. 

You don’t think having tortillas flung at you at night is a cool experience? It might toughen those kids up to see Stillwater and the Panhandle. See what it’s like to grow up in the middle of nowhere…😁

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Aggy should abstain so the vote is 13-0 and then we can then brand it on their dog.

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Really?  Do you have a pamphlet or something to distribute?

Just correcting your incorrect statement. That's all. Carry on.

My apologies, I thought you were from Iowa St.  OSU has a strong top to bottom athletic program.  

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20 minutes ago, Texasrocks said:

OSU and ISU I get. Maybe Tech, but why KState?  Do they bring anything?

Everything being reported should be taken with a large pinch of salt. It’s the Twitter equivalent of a chaotic newsroom scene with papers flying everywhere.

Craig Way told a good story on his radio show. 5 min before they went on the air for the 2011 UCLA game, a high ranking UT admin guy came into the booth and said, “well, it’s official guys. Texas is moving to the ACC.”

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You don’t think having tortillas flung at you at night is a cool experience? It might toughen those kids up to see Stillwater and the Panhandle. See what it’s like to grow up in the middle of nowhere…😁

Like a Grapes of Wrath ride at Disneyland. 

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17 minutes ago, Burt Macklin said:

FIFY. Fuck TCU and Baylor. I hope they get left out to dry.   They've been nothing but poisonous leaches to us and Baylor still deserves the death penalty.  

Abso-fucking-lutely.  With Briles the one to take that punishment.

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19 minutes ago, camel at sea said:

Swaim is about as credible as that MHver guy at WVU from 10 years ago.  

This. Goddamnit if he’s saying it were fucked. Look out East Carolina, we’re comin’ for you!

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6 minutes ago, Pancho said:

for all of yall saying WVU is an “easy add” to the ACC, man their message boards do not agree.  I’ve checked out several of them in the last 24 hours and the consensus on them all is they have been told before the ACC doesn’t want them. 

They also don’t think they are Big10 material because they aren’t AAU.

WVU getting fucked by this move brings me great pleasure

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4 minutes ago, Burt Macklin said:

Who knows if this guy has any actual sources, but it would make a lot of sense for the PAC to act quickly grab 2-4 teams from the Big12.  The other conference in threat of breaking up is the ACC and none of those schools would move to the PAC due to geography, so this is really their best opportunity to ever get to 16 P5 worthy teams.  I think Tech and OSU are no brainers, and ISU could make some sense but I dont get the KSU move at all. I'd definitely rather push for KU than KSU.  And I could also see them going after another Texas team, even though I hope that doesn't happen. 

PAC locking those 4 up first gets Texas off the hook for the SEC move and makes political opposition MOOT because there won't be a conference left for Texas to be potentially "forced" to be in.

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50 minutes ago, texifornia said:

WVU fans at their tailgates said the ACC will never take them because their academics aren't up to the conference's standard. Take it fwiw.

 

48 minutes ago, mdmost said:

Yeah but they took Louisville. 

Yeah that's the "official" reason. The real reason is nobody likes them. I'd bet WVU makes the top 5 for every ACC school's list of worst fanbases. 

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6 minutes ago, Burt Macklin said:

Who knows if this guy has any actual sources, but it would make a lot of sense for the PAC to act quickly grab 2-4 teams from the Big12.  The other conference in threat of breaking up is the ACC and none of those schools would move to the PAC due to geography, so this is really their best opportunity to ever get to 16 P5 worthy teams.  I think Tech and OSU are no brainers, and ISU could make some sense but I dont get the KSU move at all. I'd definitely rather push for KU than KSU.  And I could also see them going after another Texas team, even though I hope that doesn't happen. 

The main insider on the TCU board had this today about the "upcoming B12 meeting"

 

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There is another Big 12 member, having known for months where this was headed, that's also been preparing a possible exit path to a fellow Power 5. They were VERY quiet yesterday.

If UT/OU were confronted behind closed doors, they would have admitted their dissatisfaction and ongoing discussion of leaving post-2025, yes. I believe this because Jay did admit this 1-1 in the past few weeks to a fellow Big 12 President.

Problem with the alliance forming: Hard to do when, as you suggest, all feet may be out the door. That's what VBo and a few other leaders are working on now. But, they won't rest if the answers aren't clear and unequivocal... This is all going to move both very fast and slow over the next 3-6-12 months.

 

Maybe the answer is KU got tipped off by OU and made plans already (even if it hard to believe) to the B10...

Or WVU to the ACC...

 

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Yeah that's the "official" reason. The real reason is nobody likes them. I'd bet WVU makes the top 5 for every ACC school's list of worst fanbases. 

They must be awful to their rivals because most UT fans have liked having them around, silly Horns Down game aside.

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for all of yall saying WVU is an “easy add” to the ACC, man their message boards do not agree.  I’ve checked out several of them in the last 24 hours and the consensus on them all is they have been told before the ACC doesn’t want them. 

They also don’t think they are Big10 material because they aren’t AAU.

Yes but what the ACC wants and what might need to happen are two different things. The deal about when the SEC does a move, it creates moves by other conferences. You really think the Big 10 wanted to take Rutgers and Maryland? Or the ACC wanted Pitt and Louisville? The ACC will want to get to 16 and tie down Notre Dame for good. 

As far as Swaim, do not take what that says with any sort of credence. He's an oSu alum and he's been spouting things for 8 years that never happened. The Pac 12 might want to do something but they are the low man on the totem pole and unless Fox wants to kick in more money, there's no reason or way that an already unhappy group of 12 with their standing in the world is going to want to split their meager pie with 4 more who do not really bring in markets. I love our ISU, oSu, and Tech brothers but I also see the reality of these schools do not bring enough to the Pac 12 for it to be worth Fox's money since Fox still has the bulk of the Big 10 inventory. 

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2 minutes ago, Laxtonto said:

The main insider on the TCU board had this today about the "upcoming B12 meeting"

 

Maybe the answer is KU got tipped off by OU and made plans already (even if it hard to believe) to the B10...

Or WVU to the ACC...

 

Ohhh this is juicy. I wonder who it is.

Also re WVU to ACC: maybe academics were a problem in the past, but I wouldn't be surprised if the tone changes when conference survival is on the line

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14 minutes ago, Laxtonto said:

The main insider on the TCU board had this today about the "upcoming B12 meeting"

 

Maybe the answer is KU got tipped off by OU and made plans already (even if it hard to believe) to the B10...

Or WVU to the ACC...

 

I think it's Kansas. Kansas basketball inventory would be enough of a boon for the Big 10 that KU's football isn't a big deal. Throw them in the Iowa/NU division. The better question is who is the 16th?

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5 minutes ago, texifornia said:

They must be awful to their rivals because most UT fans have liked having them around, silly Horns Down game aside.

I taught at WVU until last year (hence the username). They considered Texas their rivals which is the funniest shit ever.

Passionate fanbase but also pretty shitty. Just like the place itself (I left and am very happy I did).

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I have mixed feelings but am behind this move with the following caveats:

1. fuck the SEC, we’re Texas. I ain’t playing that conference awesomeness bullshit ever. Permabans must be the rule for anyone that does. SEC chant deserves a punch in the dick or tit or both for you moob having fucks. 

2. fuck SEC message boards, not going, not visiting, what a cesspool.

3. fuck confederacy racist bullshit. I’m serious, I’m not interested in all that southern bullshit.

4. I want to play arky every year, yeah I said it. 

5. bitch asses in charge on the 40 better fucking play to win. Saban’s days are numbered, there is a void to be filled soon, should be ours.

6. other than that bring on some kick ass match ups, let’s do this.

 

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I taught at WVU until last year (hence the username). They considered Texas their rivals which is the funniest shit ever.
Passionate fanbase but also pretty shitty. Just like the place itself (I left and am very happy I did).

Yeah when I see Motown I think West Virginia.
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27 minutes ago, Mack Tripper said:


I don’t know where this came from (this is like the 3rd post on this thread saying this) but that’s not how FOIA/Open Records Requests work. Having a private school in a conference or a non public person/ entity on a communication don’t do shit. Do we not remember the “Tech Problem” emails and the Eyes of Texas emails that came out?

I've heard that bullshit since I was in college decades ago.  Every conference has at least one private school so they can keep their business private.  Never made any sense to me.  I think it's like the "drain water spins the opposite way in the southern hemisphere" thing - doesn't matter how many times people debunk it, it just comes back.

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I don’t know where this came from (this is like the 3rd post on this thread saying this) but that’s not how FOIA/Open Records Requests work. Having a private school in a conference or a non public person/ entity on a communication don’t do shit. Do we not remember the “Tech Problem” emails and the Eyes of Texas emails that came out?

The way it’s was explained to me (and it could be bullshit) was that email and communications with public schools are obviously subject to FOIA.  But the conference can have private emails between conference employees that are exempt.  Without a private school included FOIA can petition for access to all conference records under the subject that only only pertain to public entities that are subject to FOIA.  Public entities can’t setup shell corporations to hide from FOIA or else everyone would simply do that for everything, and while this wouldn’t be a shell corp it would be governed by similar restrictions.

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I've heard that bullshit since I was in college decades ago.  Every conference has at least one private school so they can keep their business private.  Never made any sense to me.  I think it's like the "drain water spins the opposite way in the southern hemisphere" thing - doesn't matter how many times people debunk it, it just comes back.

Wait. The coriolis effect is bullshit?
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2 minutes ago, MotownHorn said:

Morgantown. Get it?

It's just not exactly people's first leap from "Motown".

And your explanation makes sense, but man were they a fun away weekend. Small, rural and hyper into it, kind of like much of the SEC.

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