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How many teams will be left when the dust settles in a few years? I think there's a way for all the teams to still have some involvement. I will explain that at the end of this list. Here's my list of the top 32 programs and a list if it goes to 48. There's some debate if it goes to 48, but not much debate if it stops at 32. I guess one could debate Arizona State, but that's about it. The top 32 at least come close to carrying their own weight. Everyone below that line is losing money for t

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2 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

Is the GOR contract public? It is rumored once 4 schools bail, then the whole thing dissolves, but haven't seen anything in term of contractual language

Burton said it requires 6 schools to dissolve it...

So OU/Texas and we hope the ball drops for Kansas/ISU to the BIG and two more schools seek another conference, most likely WVU, Tech, Ok St.

 

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Aggy should abstain so the vote is 13-0 and then we can then brand it on their dog.

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1 minute ago, closetojumping said:

There is an exact sequence of steps that they're following, for sure, and it's been printed, laminated, rehearsed, and rehearsed again with the lawyers watching. Whatever is happening now, it's for sure orchestrated and the goal has to be finality in a rapid fashion. Then they sit back and wait for the other schools to flee and dissolve the conference, or at least the GOR. 

I have to say it's refreshing to see a competent Texas administration. They played this exactly as it needed to happen. This isn't Deloss puffing his bloated cow chest out crowing about how "we're the Joneses" or "we'll be the last word in realignment". They did everything they needed to do while saying nothing to anyone who did not need to know. 

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1 minute ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Burton said it requires 6 schools to dissolve it...

So OU/Texas and we hope the ball drops for Kansas/ISU to the BIG and two more schools seek another conference, most likely WVU, Tech, Ok St.

 

But going to the AAC or MWC counts right?  Just any conference.

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2 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Burton said it requires 6 schools to dissolve it...

So OU/Texas and we hope the ball drops for Kansas/ISU to the BIG and two more schools seek another conference, most likely WVU, Tech, Ok St.

 

True but once 4 leave the other 2 will do anything to leave and it’s over.  It’s done. Cake is baked, gentleman.  

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15 hours ago, Lidig8r said:

For the younglings who were not around or too young to remember 1990 ... Arkansas' last appearance at DKR. The Show band of the Southwest expressed their view on Arkansas jumping ship to the SEC pretty damned well ...

 

Matt Jones and Cedric Cobbs say Hi and aren’t surprised you forgot about that ass kickin’

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30 minutes ago, BornAndRaised said:

God this victim mentality is wearing thin and its been less than a week. Aren't you just admitting to being an inferior school if its this hard for them to find a landing spot? Any other school would have done the same.

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Of all the colorful words and descriptions used to sum up Texas and Oklahoma within Big 12 circles over the past six days, here’s a creative one offered by an administrator: arsonists.

“They set the house on fire,” he said, “knowing there were eight of us in it.”

Ever since the covert scheme between the Longhorns and Sooners to depart for the SEC first leaked last Wednesday, their conference peers have felt engulfed in uncertainty. Texas and Oklahoma have now followed through as expected and delivered their exit notices, formally setting a contentious divorce process in motion.

As for the Big 12’s eight remaining schools, what future awaits them? They can stay to fight the fire. Or they can choose to run like hell.

The fate of the conference comes down to an element that has been historically elusive over its 26-year existence, something its two powerhouses just shattered: trust.

Can these eight schools stick together and operate with a shared belief that staying aligned puts more options on the table? Or does self-interest eventually win out, leading them to go off on their own and do whatever they can to find a secure new home?

The every-man-for-himself mentality is understandable. The decision-makers at Baylor, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma State, TCU, Texas Tech and West Virginia must feel a sense of urgency to establish an escape plan as fast as possible in case the conference collapses. Their nervous fan bases expect bold leadership. Their board members will apply pressure. These athletic directors have to do their job and see what’s out there. The potential cost of inaction is legitimately scary.

But sources inside and outside the Big 12 agree the more prudent course of action for these schools, at least right now, is banding together and focusing their efforts on plotting a path to long-term survival for their Power 5 league.

In their first substantive discussions about moving forward without Texas and Oklahoma last Thursday night, Big 12 presidents and ADs agreed on that imperative. The hard question is knowing how many of them meant it. Can they maintain confidence in each other amid the flurry of rumors and dubious reports about certain Big 12 schools engaging in talks with other conferences?

“The thing we have to do as a league,” one source argued, “is the eight of us have to not panic when we see these rumors. We have to just do everything we can to stick together and go at this collectively as best we can.”

If they can do that, they can rebuild their scorched house. They can pursue expansion and work to reach consensus on the right combination of two, four or maybe even more new members to help resolve the massive vacancy created whenever Oklahoma and Texas do leave. If they can make the right moves, sources hope that could ideally keep them in ACC territory when it’s time for their new TV deal in 2025. The ACC distributed more than $30 million to each of its members in 2019-20, with about $23.8 million coming from TV revenue. Big 12 schools each received $37.7 million for that year plus their third-tier rights revenue. Others believe that’s far too optimistic an aim given what they’re losing.

The Big 12 could go in a few directions to expand, but beyond making an appeal to Arizona and Arizona State to leave the Pac-12, there are few clear Power 5 options to poach. There are plenty of candidates worthy of consideration in the AAC, starting with UCF, USF, Cincinnati and Houston. It’s too early to know what criteria will matter most to commissioner Bob Bowlsby and the league’s board of directors, but the usual factors — alumni base, market size, football competitiveness — are a safe bet.

Presidents and chancellors tend to want prestige and research institutions in these situations. They didn’t seem to take these Group of 5 schools seriously in 2016. They don’t have the luxury of being overly picky anymore, not as they fight for survival. Those four schools would add value, and there are many more out there worth exploring. If you grant them the opportunity and the resources of a Big 12 school, recent history suggests they’ll evolve and succeed. Just ask TCU.

But there are other ways. The Big 12 could pursue more creative solutions, like a Pac-12 scheduling alliance. Less likely would be a merger with that league, sources say, but ADs in the conference are throwing around all sorts of ideas these days in search of smart solutions to their predicament.

By sticking together, they can also enjoy the substantial sums of money Texas and Oklahoma will owe and the revenue shares those two won’t receive. Big 12 sources still firmly believe Texas and Oklahoma aren’t leaving until 2023 at the earliest. There’s no point in projecting how the exit negotiations will play out, but as one source reminded, “It’s gonna cost them a shit ton of money.”

And if the rest choose to stay together, they should be able to retain the Big 12’s Autonomy 5 status in a time of intense unpredictability for the future of college athletics. You don’t want to be on the wrong side of that divide. The AAC aiming to add Big 12 members is an admirable ambition. Their revenue payout to their football members for 2019-2020 averaged just under $5 million. It’s hard to imagine any current Big 12 member can get by on that kind of money, not without drastically slashing budgets and staff.

Beyond that, who besides Texas and Oklahoma can even afford to break the Big 12 grant of rights contract and pay massive financial penalties? “You can’t rush and make stupid moves along the way,” one source said. So the view inside the Big 12 is, while they’re not going to sit back idly, they have time to solve these problems before 2025. But not without cooperation.

“It’s not like there’s infighting among these eight,” one source said. “But I’m not saying in six months that might not become an issue.”

These presidents and ADs surely won’t wait that long to explore alternatives. But they’re probably not going to be thrilled by what they find out. What value would these remaining schools bring to the Pac-12, Big Ten or ACC? That’s a tough question that will seriously test whether internal perception is in line with reality.

West Virginia pursuing a more natural fit and trying to get into the ACC would certainly make sense. There’s an argument to be made that the rest should throw themselves at the ACC and Pac-12, pitching the value of planting their flag in the Texas market. The ACC is incentivized to make a move that lets them reopen the 20-year deal with ESPN that threatens to create a serious financial gap for the conference.

At the moment, though, industry sources believe the Big Ten is skeptical of the value these remaining Big 12 schools provide or that their presidents would consider them academically suitable institutions. There’s already a fear among the remaining schools, too, that the Pac-12 won’t look to add them either due to similar academic standards.

That’s not to say those conferences can’t change their stance in the months and years ahead. Maybe the threat of the SEC becoming even more powerful does set off a domino effect of some kind for their anxious Power 5 peers. But if those conferences don’t wish to step in to rescue these Big 12 members beyond the logical West Virginia-ACC pairing, that puts them in a desperate position.

They’re going to have to fight an underlying fear, too, at least in football: If the Big 12 does stay intact and calls up a few Group of 5 schools, will it be good enough? The hard thing will be anticipating and confronting how much they will have lost in terms of reputation, respect and revenue once Oklahoma and Texas are officially gone. Sure, the conference can gain some of it back by getting its champion into 12-team College Football Playoffs and winning on that stage. But it’s difficult to forecast things like how much the next TV deal truly sets them back or how recruits will perceive this new-look league.

So suppose TCU has an opportunity in the Pac-12 or the Big Ten becomes enamored with Kansas basketball. Can any of these schools really afford to say no? This tricky dynamic is sort of like the prisoner’s dilemma: Acting in their own interest is unlikely to yield the optimal outcome for all, but they don’t know that. And this is eight decision-makers having to cooperate, not two. There are so many possible outcomes — and ways this can go poorly.

The hope among Big 12 sources is that, unlike past rounds of realignment, nobody concludes this is doomed and panics. In these tense times, we’ll see how long the fragile trust can endure. Each of the eight eventually has a decision to make: Do you grab the extinguisher or the flamethrower?

 

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So the unequal revenue share play didn't work. Sorry, Bowlsby. 

Imagine if that kept Texas-OU in Big 12. They would thank us for “saving” them again for a hot minute, maybe two. Then they’d start screaming about how Texas is a terrible conference friend, we are responsible for all of their maladies, etc.

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1 minute ago, C-Man said:


Imagine if that kept Texas-OU in Big 12. They would thank us for “saving” them again for a hot minute, maybe two. Then they’d start screaming about how Texas is a terrible conference friend, we are responsible for all of their maladies, etc.

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3 minutes ago, mdmost said:

Everyone will start scrambling for lifeboats like Colorado did when Mizzou and Nebraska started looking. You don't want to be without a chair when the music stops. The trick is who actually has a legitimate shot at a spot?

I agree they will be scrambling.  I'm not convinced any deals are close to imminent.  You have to think that both the ACC and Big 10 are seeing if a major splash can be made (either with Notre Dame or raiding the high profile Pac 12 schools) before settling on any of the remaining Big 12.   The Pac 12 dynamic is what is interesting to me.  As you probably have some pushing for expansion of the remaining schools while the big names are vetting if a Big 10 move is possible.

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11 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

There is an exact sequence of steps that they're following, for sure, and it's been printed, laminated, rehearsed, and rehearsed again with the lawyers watching. Whatever is happening now, it's for sure orchestrated and the goal has to be finality in a rapid fashion. Then they sit back and wait for the other schools to flee and dissolve the conference, or at least the GOR. 

I'm curious if you or anyone else has heard whether A&M leaking to the press expedited the public aspects of this process, or if they were told it was happening this week and therefore leaked it in a last ditch effort? If the leak had nothing to do with the announcement today, holy shit, what a fucking shock that statement would have been. 

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6 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Agreed 100%. 

We just need Kansas(seems most likely) to make their statement and then the ball just keeps rolling.

Hate to break it to you but....

https://247sports.com/college/kansas/Article/College-football-realignment-Kansas-Jayhawks-Big-Ten-Conference-did-not-set-up-call-Big-12-168231575/

The Kansas Jayhawks and Big Ten Conference did not set up a call amid this past week's realignment news, 247Sports national college football reporter Brandon Marcello said Saturday. A verified Twitter account followed Horns247's breaking report Friday about the Oklahoma Sooners and Texas Longhorns leaving the Big 12 Conference for the SEC by tweeting that a call had been scheduled between Kansas and the Big Ten, but Marcello was told otherwise.

"Rumor spread quickly Friday that Kansas had set up a call with Big Ten," Marcello tweeted Saturday. "No such call has been scheduled with the conference, I was told Friday."

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15 hours ago, Lidig8r said:

For the younglings who were not around or too young to remember 1990 ... Arkansas' last appearance at DKR. The Show band of the Southwest expressed their view on Arkansas jumping ship to the SEC pretty damned well ...

 

Showband of the Southwest in the Southeastern Conference, what a time to be alive! 

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You know an added benefit to all this has to be the B1G/Pac 10 nuclear destruction.  For decades those two conferences and the Rose Bowl claimed moral superiority over everyone else.  It's great to see them eat each other alive over money like everyone else has done in earlier iterations of realignment.

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19 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

 

You are not alone. I didn't even pause to wonder what in the fuck the football over the mountains/Uncle Rico references were that kept popping up in conjunction with Real Genius. This thread moves too fast. Had I not read your post, it might have never clicked.

Some of you might be pleased to learn that he was also Rusty the Rickshaw Thief in Seinfeld. 
 

You know I once knew a horse named Rusty. No offense. 

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Just now, UTEX_ME said:

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Does this mean aggy will be forced to play us and OU every year? Or something more sinister? 

I think the implication being that heads are going to roll for high ranking Ag officials if anyone knew before Wednesday this was happening.

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2 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

Does this mean that someone at A&M is going to get smacked or that A&M is threatening to smack someone? Either one is hilarious.

It means they know who leaked this, forced it to happen sooner and more forcibly than expected, and simultaneously causing the most embarrassing melt of all time that will likely affect recruiting through this major change . 

 

Edit : Heads will roll 

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Just now, Helobious said:

Well maybe we might leave after all. Still, there’s no chance we’re leaving before 2025 ends. UT/OU said they’ll honor the remaining contract, and no one is fronting that buyout.  So I’m technically still right for the next 4 seasons. 

For God's sake man, put the shovel down.

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2 minutes ago, Helobious said:

Well maybe we might leave after all. Still, there’s no chance we’re leaving before 2025 ends. UT/OU said they’ll honor the remaining contract, and no one is fronting that buyout.  So I’m technically still right for the next 4 seasons. 

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