Realignment talk not going away

[JJxvi 10]

3 minutes ago, UncleBuck said:

Someone refresh me: was everyone really angry at A&M when they left the Big 12? I remember a lot of shit talk, poking fun, but not a whole lot of "Wahhhhhh you selfish bastards!" Seems like some conveniently hard to disprove talking point that's been rolled out by the aggy media.

It was mainly Baylor.  In hindsight, they were probably in the middle of planning what they were going to do in terms of stadium and all that at the time.

[bullet 1596]

4 hours ago, Huckleberry said:

Someone somewhere around here said they wished they could remember how all this started. Here's the first time I wrote about the BS spewing from our rivals:

https://www.barkingcarnival.com/2011/09/22/realignmentality

Good writeup except that you have the timing on the Pac 16 wrong.  Texas starting exploring the Pac 16 idea after the Big 10 announced it was expanding and Mizzou lifted its skirt.  When Nebraska president asked the Texas president about Pac 16 rumors, the Texas president told him the truth.  That is when Nebraska tried to get one of the Big 10 slots (according to the Nebraska president's account, who also said he and the UT president had a great relationship).

[Foosters 17765]

 

20 minutes ago, JJxvi said:

Tom Herman had a better record in his four years at Texas than Bobby Bowden's last 4 years at FSU.  I'm guessing that if Sark wins a national Title in his 4th season at Texas like Fisher did at FSU, then it wont be Herman getting the credit for it.

Well, if Sark wins a title in his 4th year, that will be roughly 15 years after Mack's departure. That's a bit different than 4 years post-Bowden.

[Born to Run 6568]

Someone refresh me: was everyone really this angry at A&M when they left the Big 12? I remember a lot of shit talk, poking fun, but not a whole lot of "Wahhhhhh you selfish bastards!" Seems like some conveniently hard to disprove talking point that's been rolled out by the aggy media today.

Some were pissed that Aggie opened Texas up to $EC recruiting. Most were glad to be rid of them, however.

[Saint Tacky 1610]

Can't hurt for them to try...

 

[SquishMitten 10402]

6 minutes ago, UncleBuck said:

Someone refresh me: was everyone really this angry at A&M when they left the Big 12? I remember a lot of shit talk, poking fun, but not a whole lot of "Wahhhhhh you selfish bastards!" Seems like some conveniently hard to disprove talking point that's been rolled out by the aggy media today.

I don't remember anybody being angry. At least around these parts, we were all pretty damn happy about it. We also thought it was absolutely hilarious and stupid. Taking their ball and going home was the main sentiment, and we were laughing about them thinking they were somehow going to become a powerhouse just by joining the SEC. I think Baylor threw a fit and maybe filed something in the legislature, but I don't remember the details of whether it was even remotely legitimate or just for show. I think the Big 12 at least made an attempt to keep them around, but there weren't really any concessions made to entice them into staying. In short, nobody of importance gave a shit.

[DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt 12301]

3 minutes ago, Born to Run said:

10 minutes ago, UncleBuck said:

Someone refresh me: was everyone really this angry at A&M when they left the Big 12? I remember a lot of shit talk, poking fun, but not a whole lot of "Wahhhhhh you selfish bastards!" Seems like some conveniently hard to disprove talking point that's been rolled out by the aggy media today.

Some were pissed that Aggie opened Texas up to $EC recruiting. Most were glad to be rid of them, however.

we also scoffed at the notion the move was in their long-term best interests. 

[Rockethorn1978 6061]

2 hours ago, South Austin said:

I mean, don't forget the OU sucks chant, which should be the loudest.

It should for sure be louder than your mom when I fucked her last night when I got the call Texas is in the sec for sure. I really laid into her too, I love me some horns.

[DFW Horn 6118]

16 minutes ago, utee94 said:

So, the B12 could withhold the prior year's distribution, and then sue for part of that SEC revenue distribution from the current year. But in reality, it never gets that far.  Instead, it's just a negotiated settlement that will no doubt end up lower than the max.  Probably substantially lower. 

I believe aggy and mizzery paid 1/3 of the buyout fee, but I don't care enough to look it up.

[Hank Kingsley 20727]

I was happy to see A&M leave the Big 12. 

For me the only negative with joining the SEC is re-establishing communication with A&M. We'll continue to whoop their ass, but they are just an embarrassment to the state and I enjoyed the almost decade of rarely thinking about them. 

 

[TexasGolf 4872]

4 minutes ago, Saint Tacky said:

Can't hurt for them to try...

 

TCU should send cheerleader pics along with resume in a comparison chart vs aggy milkmen

Edited July 27, 2021 by TexasGolf

[Native Horn 3493]

1 hour ago, maninblack said:

The SEC Network did float it

Ad did Paaaaauuuulllll Dullbaum

[South Austin 52169]

3 minutes ago, Rockethorn1978 said:

It should for sure be louder than your mom when I fucked her last night when I got the call Texas is in the sec for sure. I really laid into her too, I love me some horns.

Hmmm, it may be subtle, but I do believe there's a joke about my mom somewhere in your reply.

[JFKFC 4878]

6 minutes ago, Saint Tacky said:

Can't hurt for them to try...

 

Not as good as this letter from 5 years ago:

 

[bullet 1596]

4 hours ago, Huckleberry said:

It will be divisions but pods would be better with rotating pairings to form temporary divisions for two seasons at a time. That way you would play everyone both home and away at least every six years.

With divisions and the possibility of also having a permanent cross-division rival, even a 9 game conference schedule would mean it would take 14 years to play every other conference opponent both home and away.

No permanent crossover and you get everyone home and away over 8 years.

[Rockethorn1978 6061]

2 minutes ago, South Austin said:

Hmmm, it may be subtle, but I do believe there's a joke about my mom somewhere in your reply.

No joke man. She was super loud and got into it. I was just telling you, I don’t do all those gay jokes about your mom. Extremely disrespectful.

[Burt Macklin 19000]

 

28 minutes ago, ShowMeALoss said:

UT President, soon to be the head of the SEC Board, is trying to broker a deal to form a new collegiate athletics governing body. 

He’s flying up there to see how much physical office space they have and what it would take to relocate them to Dallas. 

 

[Wishbone 4739]

4 hours ago, Gidnik said:

its a done deal now. 

https://news.utexas.edu/2021/07/27/joint-statement-from-the-university-of-texas-at-austin-and-the-university-of-oklahoma-2/

They forgot to cc Helobious on this.

[Burt Macklin 19000]

51 minutes ago, conVINCEd said:

I wouldn’t do a package deal at this point.  

Not South Austin’s mom confirmed. 

[DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt 12301]

1 minute ago, Wishbone said:

They forgot to cc Helobious on this.

he's done some reading up on the matter, for what it's worth.

[Huckleberry 32710]

5 minutes ago, bullet said:

No permanent crossover and you get everyone home and away over 8 years.

Yes that would work. And to be honest if that's the way they do it then I think they should split the series. So for example Texas/Alabama could be

Texas @ Alabama 2022
Alabama @ Texas 2026
Texas @ Alabama 2030
Alabama @ Texas 2034

And so on. That would give players the chance to play every other team in the conference in their 4 years of eligibility.

[jimmyjazz 45602]

I'd probably rather see every out-of-division team scheduled once every 4 years, home and away.  That ties the two sides together.  Playing 'bama (for instance) home and away in year 1 and 2 and then not playing them again until year 9 and 10 (outside of any title game meetings) would suck.  I'd rather that be years 1, 5, 9, and 13.

Truthfully, trying to map a smaller 8-10 team conference mentality on a 2-division 16-team conference just doesn't really work.  Maybe it's OK that the 2 divisions don't really see each other that much.

EDIT:  pretty much what @Huckleberry just said, but 2 seconds before I did.

Edited July 27, 2021 by jimmyjazz

[bullet 1596]

3 hours ago, SquishMitten said:

 

Dumb question amnesty: Who determines what constitutes a P5 conference? Is that an official NCAA designation or something that just sort of came about in the media and general lexicon?

 

P5 (power 5) is a media creation.  A5 (autonomous 5) is an actual NCAA category.  They get to make certain rules independent of the NCAA.  The autonomous 5 are the ACC, $EC, B$G 10+4, Pac 12 and Big 12-2-2+2-2.

[Jive Turkey 12570]

4 hours ago, Beantown Express 2.0 said:

UT destroying the SWC is so untrue and I have yet to hear Aggies take on how UT destroyed that conference. 

that's the one that gets me.  who in their right fucking mind would think that an 8 team conference with all 8 members in the same fucking state would work long-term.  Texas did aggy a favor by getting them out of that conference and into a competitive conference with a bigger footprint.

 

[BornOrange 1441]

12 minutes ago, UncleBuck said:

Someone refresh me: was everyone really this angry at A&M when they left the Big 12? I remember a lot of shit talk, poking fun, but not a whole lot of "Wahhhhhh you selfish bastards!" Seems like some conveniently hard to disprove talking point that's been rolled out by the aggy media today.

We were pissed because when Mizzou started flirting with the Big 10, we arranged a deal with the Pac 10 that included aggy but aggy blew up the deal at the last minute. Nebraska took the Big 10 slot that Mizzou wanted. Colorado went to the Pac 10. All the remaining Big 12 schools agreed to commit to the BIg 12. The Big 12 even offered an extra share of revenue to UT, OU, and aggy to remain in the conference. UT and OU declined, aggy took it. aggy then secretly negotiated with SEC to join them.

In all the realignment escapades, we tried to include aggy. But they fucked up our chance to leave while making sure they had a way out.

[bullet 1596]

3 hours ago, Laxtonto said:

So ESPN owes us for the LHN distribution through 2025 in this scenario. We can’t touch it in the SEC. So 2022-23 to end of 2025 is a minimum of 45M (not sure if the escalators change or how the kick to the academic side is accounted for) that we lose if we start in the 2022 season.

I would love to see someone run the NPV of what is left on the LHN pay schedule to really see how much we are walking away from..

My guess is that 45m number is what we should be willing to settle at to leave the B12. That way ESPN can pay it and then we are done

The last 10 years are $169 million.  It started at $10,980,000 and escalated 3% per year.

[bullet 1596]

3 hours ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Would it be the worst thing in the world for both sides of the stadium to chant sec together one time as a fuck your to the other big 12 members who run their mouths constantly?

Yes.  We aren't aggy.  We aren't Ole Miss.

[BornOrange 1441]

1 hour ago, TexasBeta said:

Now hold on one moment.... While am very disappointed in the twins decision, I did understand it.. We are now in a very very different position. 

 

I predict the following - 

1) Texas to play in SEC for 2022

2) Brocks redshirt this season

2) Brocks transfer to Texas

3) Profit

 

Oh and we get Manning to boot. 

I predict the following:

1. Texas plays in the SEC in 2022
2. Brocks find Alabama tougher than their private school league
3. Brocks want to transfer to Texas, but get turned down
4. Brocks end up at SMU
5. Profit

[bad_teammate 13145]

The problem with ironically chanting "SEC!" is that it will just come across as sincere.

So we shouldn't do it.

 

[lemonandaturd 4285]

4 hours ago, Armybrat said:

What, you put a quarter in a vending machine while passing through Norman?

It was either for an OU degree or a rubber.  

[riloh05 107]

1 hour ago, RaysBoomBoomRoom said:

 

Going to show tom how many wrankles he has on his middle finger knuckle.

[perfectchaos007 6596]

5 minutes ago, BornOrange said:

I predict the following:

1. Texas plays in the SEC in 2022
2. Brocks find Alabama tougher than their private school league
3. Brocks want to transfer to Texas, but get turned down
4. Brocks end up at SMU
5. Profit

Isn’t one of the Brocks already on the roster as a preferred walk-on? We like him at least, right?

[bullet 1596]

2 hours ago, Huckleberry said:

Okay, I see the disconnect. Paying the buyout now versus on 6/30/2023. If a team withdraws from the Big 12 they owe the buyout, but the withdrawal date is the first June 30th that's at least 18 months after they declaration of withdrawal. So the remaining teams have two main options:

1. Try to stick it out as a conference. Take the $160M on 6/30/2023. Hold on to Texas and OU's GOR until 7/1/2025. Then get absolutely dick from their rights after that and try to make that money work for the rest of their program's lives.
2. Take the $160M ASAP. Relinquish Texas and OU's GOR. Build a new good conference or find other homes. Negotiate decent TV rights.

I mean theoretically they could go with #1, and some of them might be dumb enough to do it. But I doubt that happens.

Seems clear that Tech and Kansas have smart presidents.  Iowa St. is playing his cards close to his vest.  Okie St.'s president is dumb.  TCU, Baylor, WVU and KSU haven't said anything that I've seen.

[FunkSoulBrother 923]

9 minutes ago, BornOrange said:

I predict the following:

1. Texas plays in the SEC in 2022
2. Brocks find Alabama tougher than their private school league
3. Brocks want to transfer to Texas, but get turned down
4. Brocks end up at SMU
5. Profit

6. Fuck the Brocks

[BornOrange 1441]

4 minutes ago, perfectchaos007 said:

Isn’t one of the Brocks already on the roster as a preferred walk-on? We like him at least, right?

Luke Brock is a LB at UT. And yes, we like him. His twin OL brothers are at Bama.

Edited July 27, 2021 by BornOrange

[RomaVicta 29812]

3 hours ago, demos said:

 

 

Ok. Sure looch.

 

Ladies and gentlemen, the new narrative: Texas is whining, not A&M. Texas A&M did this first with the same impact if not greater impact. Smug self deception and lying. Have you seen our honor code? It's one of our traditions! WHOOP!

In short: you didn't see what you saw. We're the real university of Texas: That's another tradition just like not caring about tu.

Edited July 27, 2021 by RomaVicta
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[jimmyjazz 45602]

2 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

Ladies and gentlemen, the new narrative: Texas is whining, not A&M. Texas A&M did this first with the same impact if not greater impact. Smug self deception and lying. Have you seen our honor code? It's one of our traditions! WHOOP!

In short: you didn't see what you saw. We're the real university of Texas: It's That's another tradition just like not caring about tu.

It's called gaslighting, and it's America's favorite sport.

[Doc Reeves 6434]

Just now, jimmyjazz said:

It's called gaslighting, and it's America's favorite sport.

Which explains why aggy isn’t that good at it…

[texifornia 56565]

9 minutes ago, bullet said:

Seems clear that Tech and Kansas have smart presidents.  Iowa St. is playing his cards close to his vest.  Okie St.'s president is dumb.  TCU, Baylor, WVU and KSU haven't said anything that I've seen.

WVU's AD released one: https://wvusports.com/news/2021/7/26/general-statement-from-wvu-director-of-athletics-shane-lyons.aspx

[westexhorn 2008]

What did Coach O look like the last time your team won a national championship? | SECRant.com

Gave me a pretty good chuckle.  Yea Aggy fuck you 100 year losers.

Edited July 27, 2021 by westexhorn

[Willfully Horn 7931]

1 hour ago, Scholz said:

aggy didn't lie and obfuscate on their way out the door?  Lulz.

I don’t pay much attention to aggy, but UT did no obfuscating. Temporizing? Okay.

Edited July 27, 2021 by Willfully Horn
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[Nicole44 22028]

Just now, texifornia said:

WVU's AD released one: https://wvusports.com/news/2021/7/26/general-statement-from-wvu-director-of-athletics-shane-lyons.aspx

Wow. 

[Richard Kimball 1492]

11 minutes ago, Jive Turkey said:

that's the one that gets me.  who in their right fucking mind would think that an 8 team conference with all 8 members in the same fucking state would work long-term.  Texas did aggy a favor by getting them out of that conference and into a competitive conference with a bigger footprint.

 

The SWC died because it was based on previous economic sports realities. Media contracts didn't make much difference. School proximity was a big deal. Two or three teams could claim national championships in any given year. 

In the sixties, it was great for the Longhorns, cause they had lots more funding and students than anyone else in the conference. They could run the conference pretty easily, space out a couple of marquee out of conference games, and grab a natty. World changed. TV footprint was the reality of the 90s-00s. Texas saw the change and got the B12 off the ground. The other schools could have told Texas to FOAD and kept the SWC together without the Horns, but they knew nobody else in the conference would bring in TV contracts. 

I get the money aspect of it, but some of these schools are getting more embarrassing that when I showed up drunk at my ex-girlfriend's house at 2 AM. None of the other B12 schools, no matter how successful, are going to expand interest beyond their alumni and region. 

The new reality is that you have to bring the eyeballs with you. 

 

[bullet 1596]

2 hours ago, TexArcher said:

 

Lolwut?  No one gave half a shit when aggy left.  We were more upset about losing Nebraska and Missouri, because they'd been, you know, relevant.

I've said this a million times: aggy is Texas Tech with a god complex.  

 

That's not fair to Texas Tech.  Over the last 10 years of the 12 team Big 12 Tech was tied for 3rd with Nebraska at 47-33 in conference games.  aggy was 8th behind Mizzou, Okie St. and CU.

Over all 15 years it was:

Texas 90-30

OU 86-34

Nebraska 81-39

Tech 69-51

Snyderland 69-51

aggy 64-56

Colorado 60-60

Mizzou 58-62

Okie St. 55-65

KU 36-84

ISU 34-86

BU 18-102

[TexasRenegade 2391]

1 hour ago, SydneyCarton said:

None of that forgives the piece of shit behavior by Blake Brockermeyer throughout the entire process, as well as his childrens glee in talking shit about Texas and actively recruiting Jalen Milroe and others away from Texas. I'll take his kid(s) in the portal if it makes good sense and they can still also get fucked. 

[Scooter Monzingo 820]

2 minutes ago, bullet said:

That's not fair to Texas Tech.  Over the last 10 years of the 12 team Big 12 Tech was tied for 3rd with Nebraska at 47-33 in conference games.  aggy was 8th behind Mizzou, Okie St. and CU.

Over all 15 years it was:

Texas 90-30

OU 86-34

Nebraska 81-39

Tech 69-51

Snyderland 69-51

aggy 64-56

Colorado 60-60

Mizzou 58-62

Okie St. 55-65

KU 36-84

ISU 34-86

BU 18-102

Been a long time since Nebraska sniffed that record.

[TexArcher 37543]

19 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

The problem with ironically chanting "SEC!" is that it will just come across as sincere.

So we shouldn't do it.

 

Plus, us joining doesn't make it any less stupid of a thing to chant.

[BigHornedLurker 1896]

14 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

Ladies and gentlemen, the new narrative: Texas is whining, not A&M. Texas A&M did this first with the same impact if not greater impact. Smug self deception and lying. Have you seen our honor code? It's one of our traditions! WHOOP!

In short: you didn't see what you saw. We're the real university of Texas: It's That's another tradition just like not caring about tu.

“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”

[ABSR 5289]

54 minutes ago, Born to Run said:

1 hour ago, UncleBuck said:

Someone refresh me: was everyone really this angry at A&M when they left the Big 12? I remember a lot of shit talk, poking fun, but not a whole lot of "Wahhhhhh you selfish bastards!" Seems like some conveniently hard to disprove talking point that's been rolled out by the aggy media today.

Some were pissed that Aggie opened Texas up to $EC recruiting. Most were glad to be rid of them, however.

The most common phrase was "No take backs!!"

[UncleSonny 6564]

I guess this thread is as good as any for this, Billy keeps throwing a hissy fit about how we just aren't ready for the meat grinder that we are entering. Their joke schedule last year is a mirage, check the bowl results:

Well...about that. The SEC was an impressive 7-2. Of course 2 of those wins were Alabama (lost 52-24). One of them was aggy over UNC. 3 of the SEC bowl wins were by teams a&m didn't even play (Georgia, Kentucky, Ole Miss). The ags did play both SEC programs who lost their bowl however (Florida lost by 35 to OU & Auburn lost by 16 to Northwestern). Those two also happen to represent their two most impressive regular season wins. 

That leaves 1 SEC team that won their bowl who the ags actually beat during the season: Miss St. They won an all-timer of an Armed Forces Bowl against Tulsa by 2 points.

TLDR: The closer you look at it, A&M's big coronation season becomes even more of a mirage. So thank you for pointing that out Billy.