Realignment talk not going away

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1 hour ago, LTtxfan said:

Just don't see UH making it in unless Kansas really wants them for basketball competition.

Tech, bailor, and tcu don't want UH

Tim Shepherd is not a real source of information.  

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4 hours ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

Like you, I used to think UCF was a flash in the pan. I don't think that is the case any longer.  The Big 12 would be stupid not to offer them a spot.

https://theathletic.com/2785167/2021/08/24/ucf-has-money-fans-and-a-new-facilities-plan-in-conference-realignment-will-someone-notice/?source=emp_shared_article

 

 

 

 

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“I really believe we are a consistent Top 25 program,” Mohajir told The Athletic. “And I truly believe that, in due time, we will be a consistent top-10 program.

UCF doesn’t have a long history. The school opened in 1968. It began playing football in Division III in 1979 and moved up to the FBS in 1996 as an independent. Daunte Culpepper became a first-round pick in 1999. UCF spent three years in the MAC and eight in Conference USA before joining the Big East, which reshaped into the American Athletic Conference.

Everything went fast. UCF opened an indoor practice facility in 2005, the first by any FBS school in Florida. An on-campus stadium opened in 2007. They aren’t the nicest facilities out there, but they’re there. Rival USF still doesn’t have either. UCF has made racing forward its priority, pacing and planning be damned. In 2019, the school’s president and board chair resigned amid an investigation into the misuse of funds for unauthorized school construction projects.

Enrollment has exploded to more than 70,000, and it’s not just a commuter school anymore. Football success has followed, as the Knights reached BCS/New Year’s Six bowl games in 2013, 2017 and 2018, with three top-10 finishes. A real fan base developed. The football team sold out all 28,000 season tickets in 2019. Its online army is relentless in the college football Twitter world. As of July 2019, UCF athletics ranked in the top 10 nationally in Twitter, Facebook and Instagram engagement.

All of which led to Thursday’s meeting. Mohajir laid out a three-phase vision for the “football campus” around the current football setup. Phase 1 involves the creation of a plaza outside the stadium, highlighted by the lazy river the school has planned for years (technically called “Recovery Cove”). It’ll be the front porch to the stadium for fans. Phase 2 will be a football operations building attached to the stadium and an expanded student section. Phase 3 will be a renovation of the locker room, training room, sports performance center and equipment facility.

“With all the stuff we have going here, with the size of the campus, the NIL opportunities, we believe we’ll be able to compete with anybody in the country when it comes to recruiting,” Mohajir said.

Speaking to the board, Mohajir estimated the football campus would cost around $50 million, part of a $130 million investment in all sports. It’s the beginning of a long process, but Mohajir has turned these visions into reality before. FAU Stadium, which opened in 2011, was his project as an assistant athletic director at Florida Atlantic. As Arkansas State AD, he led a stadium renovation and creation of a football operations building that opened in 2019, a stunning structure that could rival almost anyone in the nation. New Red Wolves coach Butch Jones recently called Mohajir to thank him for the facilities in place in Jonesboro.

The UCF presentation is out there now. Will the Big 12 notice? The school’s board asked Mohajir about Texas, Oklahoma and the changing landscape.

“The timing happens to be appropriate, but we started this way before the Texas and Oklahoma announcement,” Mohajir said. “We’re creating a vision to be the best we can be. We think this puts us on a level playing field.”

The presentation was not just about facilities. It was an overall athletics recap. One slide Mohajir presented to the board said UCF has had the ninth-most nationally televised games on major TV networks since 2018, because TV ratings paint a picture, too.

From 2018 to 2019, Big 12 home games not involving Texas or Oklahoma averaged 886,000 viewers. If you take out Fox and FS1 games, the 22 Big 12 home games on ABC, ESPN or ESPN2 averaged 1.37 million viewers, as The Athletic’s Stewart Mandel broke down. Take out one massive Ohio State-TCU game, and the Big 12’s ESPN-only number drops to 1.1 million. By comparison, the 49 AAC home games on ABC/ESPN networks in that span averaged 1.01 million viewers.

UCF’s 14 games on those ABC/ESPN networks averaged 1.09 million viewers in that span, according to additional data from Sports Media Watch, essentially the same as the rest of the Big 12. (There were two ABC/ESPN2 mirror games not included because the data is unclear.) That number is boosted by 3.2 million who watched the 2018 UCF-Cincinnati game but doesn’t include the 4.7 million who watched the dramatic 2017 UCF-USF game, and opponents like UConn, East Carolina and Temple push the recent numbers down a bit.

“We’re an outstanding TV brand. That’s why we’re on,” Mohajir said. “The powers that be that choose teams think we’re a good brand. A lot of it has to do with eyeballs. So whether you’re undefeated or have eight wins, we have that deep breadth of eyeballs because of the size of our campus, our alumni base and our region.”

UCF’s athletic budget for the upcoming year is $73 million, and Mohajir told the board he hopes to increase that to $100 million in the next five years. UCF athletics finished the 2021 fiscal year in the black, in part thanks to $6 million in buyout money from Tennessee for former AD Danny White and former head coach Josh Heupel.

How does that compare to the Big 12? Kansas State has the lowest athletic budget in the league, at $83.5 million in 2019-20 before the pandemic. Most other Big 12 schools outside of Texas and Oklahoma are in the mid-90s. But television money accounts for almost that entire difference, as Big 12 schools make around $20 million more in annual television payouts than AAC schools — a number that is about to change dramatically with Texas’ and Oklahoma’s pending departures.

When that number drops, would UCF push it up? What about Cincinnati, Houston or BYU?

For now, conference realignment is at a standstill. The next domino to fall, if there is one, is likely to start in the Big 12. Either the league will fall apart as the eight remaining teams go elsewhere, or they’ll stay together and likely try to add teams. Mohajir described everything as one big staring contest at the moment.

If the Big 12 expands, UCF is ready for the call. The school and athletic department have willed themselves into position over the past two decades, hoping to finally take that last big step. But no one knows what comes next.

“You have to align yourself with eyeballs and viewership and alumni bases,” Mohajir said of UCF’s resume. “That’s why we believe we’re the future of college football.”

 

UCF might continue to do very well.  But you can't deny that they went from a 12-1 Fiesta Bowl winner to 0-12 in just 2 years with the same coach.

Houston, Cincinnati and BYU have proven they can compete consistently.

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1 hour ago, LTtxfan said:

Just don't see UH making it in unless Kansas really wants them for basketball competition.

Tech, bailor, and tcu don't want UH

I think Tech, Baylor and TCU will support UH.  Question is whether the Kansas City mob (KU, KSU, ISU) are going to fight more Texas schools.

[bullet 1596]

1 hour ago, Gaffords said:

I think we move after this season, but it wouldn't surprise me if we're here another two seasons.   The attempt by aggy to get help blocking the move by trying to get SEC and other fans to turn on the SEC office seems to have exposed things two years ahead of schedule.

I would guess it only got exposed a few months ahead of schedule.  They wouldn't be so far along if they were planning on 2023 disclosure.

[thunderlounge 7759]

2 hours ago, Gaffords said:

I think we move after this season, but it wouldn't surprise me if we're here another two seasons.   The attempt by aggy to get help blocking the move by trying to get SEC and other fans to turn on the SEC office seems to have exposed things two years ahead of schedule.

Just pull up your panties and stop. 
 

The money is there to leave after this year. The only question is how much of the total amount we will spend.

That’s what the negotiations are for. Not for when, but for how much. 

[Gidnik 3251]

59 minutes ago, camel at sea said:

Tim Shepherd is not a real source of information.  

hes a lying sack of shit 

[The Grassy Nole 43]

1 hour ago, bullet said:

UCF might continue to do very well.  But you can't deny that they went from a 12-1 Fiesta Bowl winner to 0-12 in just 2 years with the same coach.

Yet Scott Frost some how won a championship there, if that's not a sign UCF is a power nothing is

[camel at sea 589]

1 hour ago, bullet said:

I think Tech, Baylor and TCU will support UH.  Question is whether the Kansas City mob (KU, KSU, ISU) are going to fight more Texas schools.

Agreed.  It works in UH's favor though that they've got 6 Final Four trips in their history - including last season.  KU is going to want what's left of the Big 12 to at least be elite on the hardwood.  

[billfromlaketravis 11364]

No. One. Cares. About. Hoops. If they did, the ACC would be moving heaven and earth to get Baylor. 

Having a good basketball program during realignment is a bonus. It's like finding a single curly fry in a bag full of french fries.

[TKthunder2 4981]

36 minutes ago, billfromlaketravis said:

No. One. Cares. About. Hoops. If they did, the ACC would be moving heaven and earth to get Baylor Kansas.

Having a good basketball program during realignment is a bonus. It's like finding a single curly fry in a bag full of french fries.

FIFY 

[camel at sea 589]

49 minutes ago, billfromlaketravis said:

No. One. Cares. About. Hoops. If they did, the ACC would be moving heaven and earth to get Baylor. 

Having a good basketball program during realignment is a bonus. It's like finding a single curly fry in a bag full of french fries.

Basketball schools care about basketball.  If you're Houston and you want into the Big 12, having a strong basketball program (now and historically) is going to help get a school like KU on your side.  Obviously you have to bring football first.  But basketball is a good tie-breaker when a basketball strong league is in expansion mode.  

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2 hours ago, The Grassy Nole said:

Yet Scott Frost some how won a championship there, if that's not a sign UCF is a power nothing is

Gene Chizek won a real championship at Auburn in 2010 and got fired 2 years later.

[notre dame joe 173]

9 hours ago, Professor Chesney said:

What impact do you think the “alliance” has or will have?  It seems like it’s worth about as much as the paper it’s written on…

That's what all oral contracts are worth.

[GTNY 280]

4 hours ago, camel at sea said:

Basketball schools care about basketball.  If you're Houston and you want into the Big 12, having a strong basketball program (now and historically) is going to help get a school like KU on your side.  Obviously you have to bring football first.  But basketball is a good tie-breaker when a basketball strong league is in expansion mode.  

You just said the exact same thing bill said while quoting him and trying to make it sound like you disagreed. Congrats. 

 

 

[Dnaguy 11779]

12 hours ago, LTtxfan said:

Just don't see UH making it in unless Kansas really wants them for basketball competition.

Tech, bailor, and tcu don't want UH

 

If true, then it's 1a. BYU, 1b. UCF, 2. Cincy and 3. Boise.

Memphis is poop.

 

AAC then scoops up FAU and / or Liberty.

 

Mountain West then either just goes to a 11 team league or picks up either New Mexico St, UTEP, or UTSA off the trash heap. My $ is staying put w/ one less mouth to feed.

 

Divisions:

West:

Boise St

BYU

Tech

Baylor

TCU

Okie St.

East:

Kansas

K state

Iowa St

WVU

Cincy

UCF

Edited September 2, 2021 by Dnaguy

[The Grassy Nole 43]

8 hours ago, bullet said:

Gene Chizek won a real championship at Auburn in 2010 and got fired 2 years later.

More of a testament of Cam Newton than anything regarding Gene Chizek IMHO, my point is that if a terrible coach can go undefeated at place which went winless within a few years, the place is more valuable than one thought haha

[camel at sea 589]

8 hours ago, GTNY said:

You just said the exact same thing bill said while quoting him and trying to make it sound like you disagreed. Congrats. 

I disagreed with his statement that "no one cares about basketball."  The basketball schools care.  Probably the most prominent athletic department remaining in the Big 12 is a basketball-first school.  I'm not disguising agreement as disagreement.  I just disagree. 

I added a qualifier.  Football matters, too.  That doesn't change my point.  It just means that basketball helps Houston and Cincinnati, doesn't help UConn, and works against BYU and UCF.  

[LonghornSean 3942]

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The Big 12 continues to engage in serious discussions about future expansion, with a current preference of adding four new members, sources tell The Athletic.

BYU, UCF, Cincinnati and Houston are the four schools that have been most seriously discussed and are considered the leading contenders, sources said. The Athletic previously reported the Big 12 was seriously considering BYU as a potential addition early on in this process.

If the athletic directors and presidents of the league’s eight remaining members can reach a consensus on which members to invite, sources believe it’s possible that the process could move faster than initially anticipated. The ADs of the Big 12’s remaining schools met with commissioner Bob Bowlsby in Dallas on Tuesday and Wednesday to begin planning the future of the conference.

“The eight ADs remain committed to furthering the Big 12 as one of the nation’s premier athletic conferences, and look forward to working with our presidents and chancellors to strengthen the league,” Bowlsby said in a statement on Wednesday. “Future exploration by the group will continue to center on options that best position the long-term strength of the Conference.”

The Pac-12’s announcement last Thursday that it will not expand at this time meant the leaders of the eight schools have few options beyond staying and working together to build up the conference in preparation for its next phase, when Texas and Oklahoma leave for the SEC and its grant of rights and television deal expire in 2025.

When would expansion happen?

Few details are known at this time about the Big 12’s intended long-term timeline for bringing in new members.

Texas and Oklahoma have agreed to join the SEC in the summer of 2025 and have not given notice of intent to exit the conference before then. Big 12 bylaws require members to give at least 18 months’ notice before withdrawing and a fee of two years of revenue distribution, a penalty that’s expected to be around $80 million. The two exiting schools would need to give notice by the end of December if they wish to join the SEC in the summer of 2023.

Cincinnati, UCF and Houston are members of the American Athletic Conference, which requires 27 months’ notice and a $10 million penalty for departing members. Although the conference agreed in 2019 to let UConn exit on 12 months’ notice in exchange for a $17 million exit fee, the departure of this trio would be a much more significant loss for the conference.

BYU, an FBS independent in football whose other sports compete in the West Coast Conference, could potentially be brought in as a football-only member.

Why these four schools?

No one school can replace Texas or Oklahoma, but the Big 12 is looking at expansion with the intent to build as strong and compelling a football conference as it can. From that standpoint, these four schools are easy to justify as the top targets.

Cincinnati, Houston and UCF have all played in New Year’s Six bowl games since 2015. BYU came close to reaching one in 2020, going 11-1 and finishing 11th in the final AP poll. Cincinnati is the highest-ranked Group of 5 program in this year’s preseason AP poll at No. 8. These programs can give the Big 12 a better chance of maintaining its status as a Power 5 league, having more top-25 programs and potentially getting more teams into an expanded College Football Playoff.

Give these programs the resources and stage of a Power 5 conference and — as TCU and West Virginia have proven — it shouldn’t take long for them to find success.

There has been more debate around Houston than the other three. The Big 12 had previously been reluctant to embrace the school as an expansion candidate. One source said there now appears to be growing support for setting politics aside and accepting that inviting Houston is what’s best for the conference’s long-term strength.

Several more Group of 5 programs are interested in joining the Big 12, but these four have emerged as the initial favorites. One AD said the conference is not trying to rush a decision and more “homework” is still needed on candidates and which additions bring the most value.

What hurdles to expansion exist?

The addition of new members would require approval by a supermajority of 80 percent of Big 12 membership. If the eight remaining schools can get aligned on this, they would not need the support of Texas and Oklahoma to follow through on their plan.

There are a lot of details the conference would need to work out, too, in making these moves. When would new members join? Would they receive a partial revenue distribution for a period of time? What about an extension of the grant of rights? The continued presence of Texas and Oklahoma in the conference is another obvious issue that needs to be addressed. Then there’s the financial factor and how Big 12 television partners would value this 12-team league going forward.

Bowlsby and the leaders in his conference would have a lot to work through. But executing on an expansion plan would at least bring a sense of stability to the Big 12, helping to calm some fears about the future status and stature of the conference.

 

[gmr548 16529]

What a fucking weird conference. I guess you put BYU with the four Texas schools and OSU, then the three plains schools with WVU, Cincinnati, and UCF.

It would be kind of funny to see an OG B12 division of Tech, Baylor, OSU, KU, KSU, and ISU vs newcomers in BYU, TCU, UH, UCF, Cincinnati, and WVU. Getting FL, WV, TX, and UT in the same division would be good for lulz.

I assume this new league moves to eight games and aggressively tries to schedule P4 OOC games.

['stache 21778]

18 hours ago, LTtxfan said:

Only provided info thru FSU...

10 Largest Florida Colleges With Most Students

1. University of Central Florida 68,475 Students
2. Florida International University 57,942 Students
3. Miami Dade College 54,973 Students
4. University of Florida 52,218 Students
5. Valencia College 46,521 Students
6. University of South Florida-Main Campus 43,846 Students
7. Florida State University 41,005 Students 

 

What kind of aggy shit is this? Who gives a fuck about number of students. UCF, FIU, USF, are not P5 programs. FSU, UF, and Miami are. These schools do nothing to help the Big 12 stay relevant. They can only help keep it afloat. The payout with our without them is going to be less than half of P4 schools. Wake Forest and Washington State are going to be making more than double OKST regardless of whatever mid-majors we add. That is truly sad.

[Huckleberry 32710]

That's not a bad expansion if they go with those four. Will be interesting if the schools with a P4 prayer (Kansas, Iowa State, Oklahoma State, Texas Tech) try to get the by-laws rewritten to avoid the financial penalty that Texas and Oklahoma might pay.

And yes they should go 8 games and be aggressive in OOC scheduling.

[BurntOrange&White 39694]

40 minutes ago, LonghornSean said:

When would expansion happen?

Few details are known at this time about the Big 12’s intended long-term timeline for bringing in new members.

Texas and Oklahoma have agreed to join the SEC in the summer of 2025 and have not given notice of intent to exit the conference before then. Big 12 bylaws require members to give at least 18 months’ notice before withdrawing and a fee of two years of revenue distribution, a penalty that’s expected to be around $80 million. The two exiting schools would need to give notice by the end of December if they wish to join the SEC in the summer of 2023.

I think below is the work around…it’s the leverage needed. 

40 minutes ago, LonghornSean said:

What hurdles to expansion exist?

The addition of new members would require approval by a supermajority of 80 percent of Big 12 membership. If the eight remaining schools can get aligned on this, they would not need the support of Texas and Oklahoma to follow through on their plan.

 

 

Edited September 2, 2021 by BurntOrange&White

[chase25 2048]

10 minutes ago, 'stache said:

What kind of aggy shit is this? Who gives a fuck about number of students. UCF, FIU, USF, are not P5 programs. FSU, UF, and Miami are. These schools do nothing to help the Big 12 stay relevant. They can only help keep it afloat. The payout with our without them is going to be less than half of P4 schools. Wake Forest and Washington State are going to be making more than double OKST regardless of whatever mid-majors we add. That is truly sad.

Depending on whether Oklahoma State is willing to stomach the financial loss, it wouldn’t be the worst thing from a competitive standpoint in football to stay in the Big 12 and play an 8 game conference slate with 4 non conference games. If I was the Big 12 I’d add Cincinnati, BYU, Houston, and UCF.
 

With the inevitable playoff expansion, if you win the Big 12 you are likely in the playoff and you’ve got a shot at winning it all regardless of how small you feel the chances of actually winning it all are.

Edited September 2, 2021 by chase25

['stache 21778]

19 minutes ago, chase25 said:

Depending on whether Oklahoma State is willing to stomach the financial loss, it wouldn’t be the worst thing from a competitive standpoint in football to stay in the Big 12 and play an 8 game conference slate with 4 non conference games. If I was the Big 12 I’d add Cincinnati, BYU, Houston, and UCF.
 

With the inevitable playoff expansion, if you win the Big 12 you are likely in the playoff and you’ve got a shot at winning it all regardless of how small you feel the chances of actually winning it all are.

No amount of "substantial financial loss" would make this worthwhile for anyone. This is a worst case scenario if no other options are available. If we sign a grant of rights with this shit I may just give up watching football altogether (not really it's just super upsetting right now).

[6th Street 6357]

I would take Boise over UH given the better football brand but otherwise this is as good as it gets for them 

[Al_4_ISU 12409]

51 minutes ago, gmr548 said:

What a fucking weird conference. I guess you put BYU with the four Texas schools and OSU, then the three plains schools with WVU, Cincinnati, and UCF.

It would be kind of funny to see an OG B12 division of Tech, Baylor, OSU, KU, KSU, and ISU vs newcomers in BYU, TCU, UH, UCF, Cincinnati, and WVU. Getting FL, WV, TX, and UT in the same division would be good for lulz.

I assume this new league moves to eight games and aggressively tries to schedule P4 OOC games.

I would actually enjoy the fuck out of this division.

If there's gonna be some kind of zombie Big 12, I would enjoy keeping those long time, historic opponents on the schedule.  Farmageddon is a hell of a rivalry, ISU/OSU has been a total gut check the game the past decade (and the schools/fanbases are very similar) and KU is both a total cupcake and someone we've played annually forfuckingever.  I hate Baylor's guts (hate is a necessary component of college football) and we at least have history (and probably more culturally in common than either of us realize) with Tech.

Whatever.  I'm over this shit.  Give us playoff access and enough money to pay for coaches and I don't really care.  Get Amazon in here, and let's get weird. 

I'm still not convinced we don't all get carved up to the Pac and B1G in a few years and this is anything more than a stopgap to bleed OU/UT out, but if it isn't, this will be a hell of a lot of fun to watch.

[Okie State 3788]

Depending on whether Oklahoma State is willing to stomach the financial loss, it wouldn’t be the worst thing from a competitive standpoint in football to stay in the Big 12 and play an 8 game conference slate with 4 non conference games. If I was the Big 12 I’d add Cincinnati, BYU, Houston, and UCF.
 
With the inevitable playoff expansion, if you win the Big 12 you are likely in the playoff and you’ve got a shot at winning it all regardless of how small you feel the chances of actually winning it all are.

Even if we did make an expanded playoff, the chance of us ever winning it all went from 0.001% to 0%. I'm sure we'll field a competitive team in whatever conference we end up in, but unless it's a P4 we won't even be in the conversation for recruits that would be able to compete at the highest level.

[SimonBolivar 10947]

As a Baylor fan we should be excited by these 4 especially if we get divisions of...

 

"West"

 

Baylor

BYU

Houston

Oklahoma State

TCU

Tech

 

"East"

Cincinnati

Kansas

Kansas State

Iowa State

West Virginia

UCF

 

I'd say that would be the best possible scenario post OU & UT that we (BU) could've hoped for.

 

Sorry oSu.

Edited September 2, 2021 by SimonBolivar

[SimonBolivar 10947]

41 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

And yes they should go 8 games and be aggressive in OOC scheduling.

Pretty much match the OG Big 12 scheduling wise.

[J.R. Juniors Junior Jr. 1084]

I like the 4 they are reported to be pursuing, but still think they should also add SMU and Memphis.

[nineliveslost 2710]

Keep Houston and SMU out . They don't need anymore Texas schools. Lock them out and pick up other markets and recruiting grounds 

[n64ra 1078]

Seems like the Big 12 should go to more than 12 teams (14? 16?) so when a few are poached, they may still have 12 teams.

Edited September 2, 2021 by n64ra

[chase25 2048]

32 minutes ago, Okie State said:

Even if we did make an expanded playoff, the chance of us ever winning it all went from 0.001% to 0%. I'm sure we'll field a competitive team in whatever conference we end up in, but unless it's a P4 we won't even be in the conversation for recruits that would be able to compete at the highest level.

Money will ultimately be the deciding factor and if the PAC, B1G, or ACC came calling OKST would be gone the next day but there are upsides to the Big 12 competitively speaking for Oklahoma State in football. I wouldn’t say Oklahoma State’s chances of winning a national title get better or worse going to a P4 conference. 
 

Do your chances of beating Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State, or Georgia go up because you are in a P4 conference versus being in the Big 12? I get your point in recruiting but I’d say TCU and Boise State are perfect examples of building programs in lesser conferences and then letting the chips fall where they may when you get your shot at the end of the year. It’s not like Oklahoma State has made a living reeling in blue chip recruits in the past. Gundy takes the overlooked 4 star and 3 star kids and develops them.

This is all mute if Oklahoma State gets a call from the P4, they would undoubtedly take the money but in the short term I don’t think the proposed 12 team Big 12 is the end of the world for Oklahoma State. Especially if you lead the charge to keep it at an 8 game conference schedule so you have more flexibility to bring in marquee opponents out of conference because Oklahoma State would be an attractive non conference game for a Notre Dame, Alabama, Ohio State etc…

[Huckleberry 32710]

45 minutes ago, Okie State said:

Even if we did make an expanded playoff, the chance of us ever winning it all went from 0.001% to 0%. I'm sure we'll field a competitive team in whatever conference we end up in, but unless it's a P4 we won't even be in the conversation for recruits that would be able to compete at the highest level.

Oklahoma State hasn't ever consistently reeled in high level recruits with some infrequent exceptions (lots of which had qualification hurdles that meant they were less recruited than their talents would indicate, which will still happen). I don't see any reason that your recruiting would be noticeably worse after that expansion than it is now.

[bullet 1596]

25 minutes ago, n64ra said:

Seems like the Big 12 should go to more than 12 teams (14? 16?) so when a few are poached, they may still have 12 teams.

Splits the money too much.  Going to 12 provides protection against poaching.  Lose 2 and they don't need to add.  Lose 4 and they are still at 8.

[Al_4_ISU 12409]

2 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

Oklahoma State hasn't ever consistently reeled in high level recruits with some infrequent exceptions (lots of which had qualification hurdles that meant they were less recruited than their talents would indicate, which will still happen). I don't see any reason that your recruiting would be noticeably worse after that expansion than it is now.

That's my thinking about ISU.

All of these games are going to be on TV.  Guys don't get much exposure rotting on blue blood benches (I know, there's always Matt Cassel), and as long as football is an 11 man game, there's a limited number of windows to play and expose yourself.

We aren't going to lose 3 star recruits because we don't play Texas.  The Big 12 will have much better exposure than any existing G5, and I don't think it's going to be that hard to recruit against the Pac 12 and ACC with their empty stadiums.

We'd still bail for the Big 10 the second they called, but I'm really not that opposed to this.  All we're losing is the top end TV money, and as you guys, Michigan, Nebraska, etc have routinely shown, being the richest doesn't translate to high end success.  The law of diminishing returns is real.

[bullet 1596]

12 minutes ago, chase25 said:

Money will ultimately be the deciding factor and if the PAC, B1G, or ACC came calling OKST would be gone the next day but there are upsides to the Big 12 competitively speaking for Oklahoma State in football. I wouldn’t say Oklahoma State’s chances of winning a national title get better or worse going to a P4 conference. 
 

Do your chances of beating Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State, or Georgia go up because you are in a P4 conference versus being in the Big 12? I get your point in recruiting but I’d say TCU and Boise State are perfect examples of building programs in lesser conferences and then letting the chips fall where they may when you get your shot at the end of the year. It’s not like Oklahoma State has made a living reeling in blue chip recruits in the past. Gundy takes the overlooked 4 star and 3 star kids and develops them.

This is all mute if Oklahoma State gets a call from the P4, they would undoubtedly take the money but in the short term I don’t think the proposed 12 team Big 12 is the end of the world for Oklahoma State. Especially if you lead the charge to keep it at an 8 game conference schedule so you have more flexibility to bring in marquee opponents out of conference because Oklahoma State would be an attractive non conference game for a Notre Dame, Alabama, Ohio State etc…

I'm not convinced TCU wasn't the best team in 2010.  They certainly had a much better defense than Oregon and Auburn.  They only thing Auburn had on them was Cam Newton.

[Al_4_ISU 12409]

1 minute ago, bullet said:

Splits the money too much.  Going to 12 provides protection against poaching.  Lose 2 and they don't need to add.  Lose 4 and they are still at 8.

The only way there isn't poaching of the remaining 8 is if the Big 10, Pac 12, and ACC are truly fine staying where they are, and the remaining 8 sign a new GOR in '25.

[bullet 1596]

44 minutes ago, J.R. Juniors Junior Jr. said:

I like the 4 they are reported to be pursuing, but still think they should also add SMU and Memphis.

If they go to 14 and UCF is in, USF should be #13.

[SimonBolivar 10947]

1 minute ago, Al_4_ISU said:

The only way there isn't poaching of the remaining 8 is if the Big 10, Pac 12, and ACC are truly fine staying where they are, and the remaining 8 sign a new GOR in '25.

This.

 

Any of the present or future Big 12 leaves with an offer.

[fellside 1079]

So if the Big 12 expands, and Texas/OU depart for the SEC next fall, does the Big 12 really keep the home rights until 2025?  

We just play Ole Miss/LSU/Arkansas at home but it's on Fox?  Seems bizarre.

[nineliveslost 2710]

23 minutes ago, bullet said:

If they go to 14 and UCF is in, USF should be #13.

agree. Those 2 schools would add exposure , recruiting and possibly TV sets/Streams 

[Zeus 5950]

[Crockett 489]

41 minutes ago, bullet said:

Splits the money too much.  Going to 12 provides protection against poaching.  Lose 2 and they don't need to add.  Lose 4 and they are still at 8.

As a BYU fan, this gives me more security about joining the Big 12. It took us many years as an independent to build up some good schedules with around 5-6 P5 games each year. We're in a decent spot now. If we join the Big 12 and then a few years from now the Big 12 blows up that will majorly suck for us trying to rebuild what we lost. 

[lemonandaturd 4285]

1 hour ago, Zeus said:

 Dragline from Cool Hand Luke has a nice new suit. 

[6th Street 6357]

The Ralph Wiggum of commissioners 

[South Austin 52166]

9 hours ago, Dnaguy said:

Memphis is poop.

[billfromlaketravis 11364]

On 9/1/2021 at 10:25 AM, 'stache said:

I'd take Memphis first, at least it's a cool city, and none of them are really distinguishable, just more weakness to a dying conference. It'll most likely be BYU, Cincinnati, Memphis, and Houston. I don't give a single shit about commuter schools in Florida. We have commuter schools much closer to home that can at least save on travel costs, since we'll be making peanuts from any media contracts with or without these additions.

Are you comparing Memphis to Stillwater or are you a huge Elvis fan? 

[Mittens 8177]

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I would take Boise

Obviously football is the main driver here, but Boise is absolute shit everywhere other than the football W/L column....and they are 4-5 vs P5 teams the last 5 seasons.

Their stadium is almost 10K smaller than TCU's.  No baseball team.  In 40+ years of D1 play, hoops has only been to the Tournament 7 times, with zero wins, and they have been in the play in round the last 2 times.  Their only halfway decent team is women's hoops, going to the Tournament 4 times in the last 6 years, seeded 13-16, with 0 wins.  

Finished 103 in the Director's Cup...Kansas was 82, KState 139. 

[DFW Horn 6118]