Realignment talk not going away

[The Tower 362]

4 minutes ago, closetohumping said:

Does the b1g drop its academic requirements?

 

[Vertigo 20273]

47 minutes ago, ztejas said:

Yeah it's Texas and OU's fault that that entire conference has sucked ass at football for half a decade plus. 

It kinda is, Texas and OU kept taking all of their recruits. 

[camel at sea 589]

2 minutes ago, Vertigo said:

If the Pac goes on offense and starts gobbling up B12 teams, it could in theory cause the conference to come apart. I think a B12 P12 leftover conference is the most likely scenario, and in that scenario I bet UCF is just hating life right now. 

The PAC can't go on offense.  Nobody in the Big 12 will bite on an offer from them until Oregon and Washington's fate are settled.  The Big 12 is much more likely to be the one doing the raiding when this shakes out.  

[mdmost 42876]

4 minutes ago, The Tower said:

 

Oregon and Washington are AAU schools. As are Arizona, Cal, Stanford and Colorado. 

From the ACC: Duke, UNC, Pitt and Virginia. 

https://www.aau.edu/who-we-are/our-members

Edited June 30, 2022 by mdmost

[Valmy77 13125]

1 hour ago, Saint Austin said:

It doesn't, but they also don't care.

It will give them competitive money for those sports.

Besides the Big 10 may suck at baseball but it isn't like they suck at everything that isn't football.

[Al_4_ISU 12409]

If Big 10 announced they were expanding to 24 and offered spot to ISU you wouldn't want it?

At that point? Probably. Because it means that there are 48 schools going to the highest level.

If they stay at 16, I’d rather be ISU in the Big 12 than be Illinois in the Big 10. No debate.

And if they were going beyond 16 with schools like Oregon or Washington wouldn’t that be dropping now? They’re currently negotiating the new contract. It will be at least 10 years of the Big 10 and SEC at 16.

[The Hot Dog Buffet 1291]

I think the Big 10's next move is Notre Dame. With USC, that should be a no-brainer for them. Should be.

[hawkfan 60]

It's pretty clear Oregon/Washington are going to the B1G at this point, they probably needed to make it appear they had no other choice and forced USC/UCLA to announce first.

Then the B1G tells ND to get on board or be the northern outpost school with high academic standards in the SEC and ND will likely say yes.  Then add Stanford for the academic/travel bonus and be done with it.

[6th Street 6358]

Clemson, Miami, FSU, and VT to the SEC next 

[Al_4_ISU 12409]

 

That would definitely change things

[Deej 76599]

4 minutes ago, The Tower said:

 

Thanks, Nicole. 

[The Hot Dog Buffet 1291]

Just now, Al_4_ISU said:

At that point? Probably. Because it means that there are 48 schools going to the highest level.

If they stay at 16, I’d rather be ISU in the Big 12 than be Illinois in the Big 10. No debate.

And if they were going beyond 16 with schools like Oregon or Washington wouldn’t that be dropping now? They’re currently negotiating the new contract. It will be at least 10 years of the Big 10 and SEC at 16.

It's going to be a whole lot easier for Illinois to win 7 or 8 games in the new Big 10 than it would be for them in the new Big 12. The Big 10 still has a lot of very shitty football schools. It's harder for them to make the CFP in the Big 10, but that's going to be all but impossible for Illinois to do in either scenario.

[Al_4_ISU 12409]

At that point? Probably. Because it means that there are 48 schools going to the highest level.

If they stay at 16, I’d rather be ISU in the Big 12 than be Illinois in the Big 10. No debate.

And if they were going beyond 16 with schools like Oregon or Washington wouldn’t that be dropping now? They’re currently negotiating the new contract. It will be at least 10 years of the Big 10 and SEC at 16.

This aged poorly

[mdmost 42876]

5 minutes ago, The Hot Dog Buffet said:

I think the Big 10's next move is Notre Dame. With USC, that should be a no-brainer for them. Should be.

ACC has the right for Notre Dame to a conference first as part of their media deal. ACC would have to dissolve and that isn't happening. 

Also, Notre Dame gives up their ability to pick their schedule if they go to a conference. With an expanded playoff, they really don't have to join a conference. The TV partners aren't going to let Notre Dame be left out in some form. They get a special exemption. 

Edited June 30, 2022 by mdmost

[Helobious 9493]

2 minutes ago, The Hot Dog Buffet said:

I think the Big 10's next move is Notre Dame. With USC, that should be a no-brainer for them. Should be.

ND is basically an ACC school though.

[Valmy77 13125]

2 minutes ago, 6th Street said:

Clemson, Miami, FSU, and VT to the SEC next 

Is the ACC really in such a bad spot?

[The Hot Dog Buffet 1291]

Just now, Helobious said:

ND is basically an ACC school though.

USC and UCLA are basically PAC schools.

[Jabberwocky 1666]

2 minutes ago, mdmost said:

ACC has the right for Notre Dame to a conference first as part of their media deal. ACC would have to dissolve and that isn't happening. 

Wrong.

[hawkfan 60]

1 minute ago, mdmost said:

ACC has the right for Notre Dame to a conference first as part of their media deal. ACC would have to dissolve and that isn't happening. 

I'd be willing to bet ND's attorney's weren't dumb enough to not give them any outs, and even if they did, the difference in value on the contracts makes it pretty easy to negotiate a buyout.

Keep in mind with this move it's likely that Clemson/FSU/UNC/UVA/Etc. are all going to want to kill the ACC to get in the SEC.

[The Hot Dog Buffet 1291]

1 minute ago, Valmy77 said:

Is the ACC really in such a bad spot?

Only relative to the SEC and B1G. And everything is relative.

[Vertigo 20273]

2 minutes ago, Valmy77 said:

Is the ACC really in such a bad spot?

They would become the Rhode Island of college sports. 

[hawkfan 60]

ND's current TV deal for football is like $20M per year, according to Wilner, the B1G deal could be 5X that.

https://twitter.com/wilnerhotline/status/1542589074770259968?s=20&t=A3WTpRZJ4TkjGG_MCaSQIQ

[jetsfan76 704]

13 minutes ago, TexEx15 said:

 

First thing I thought. $$$ will somehow be found for OU

[stork642 4498]

1 hour ago, Hiphopopotamos said:

Completely forgot about 'The Alliance':

 

[Al_4_ISU 12409]

Either this works out fine or a whole bunch of people like me quit caring about college football

[mdmost 42876]

4 minutes ago, Jabberwocky said:

Wrong.

 

4 minutes ago, hawkfan said:

I'd be willing to bet ND's attorney's weren't dumb enough to not give them any outs, and even if they did, the difference in value on the contracts makes it pretty easy to negotiate a buyout.

Keep in mind with this move it's likely that Clemson/FSU/UNC/UVA/Etc. are all going to want to kill the ACC to get in the SEC.

According to ACC commissioner, Notre Dame is tied to the ACC till 2036

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Swofford also isn't holding his breath for a permanent Notre Dame-ACC marriage, though he did point out that if the university decides to join a conference any time between now and 2036, the contract states it would move into the ACC. And it doesn't hurt that both sides benefited this season.

"I know Notre Dame always has and still continues to cherish its independence in football," Swofford said. "I think Notre Dame would say, and we would say, that their first year in a conference ever in the sport of football has been a very positive experience. I don't know that that necessarily translates down the road or for the future, but it was certainly the right thing to do for 2020."

You guys also need to remember that ESPN controls the ACC. So if ESPN doesn't want it to die, they will ensure that it doesn't die. 

Edited June 30, 2022 by mdmost

[VABuckeye 2472]

14 minutes ago, closetohumping said:

Does the b1g drop its academic requirements?

Why would they?  USC and UCLA both certainly meet them.

[40acredropout 2902]

In thinking through desirability of ACC/PAC/B12 schools to fill spots in a Mega BIG/SEC scramble.  Note fan size is taken directly from this study that was posted somewhere on here previously... Can't vouch for methodology but it feels directionally correct other than a few weird ones (Syracuse?):

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1MiUOwx8X3H2bSkUOz8a1YhceyJWLLCoJ/view?usp=drivesdk

Edited June 30, 2022 by 40acredropout

[JBJ 3649]

2 minutes ago, Al_4_ISU said:

Either this works out fine or a whole bunch of people like me quit caring about college football

Yeah.  Think of the Pitt progam and fans from the 80s-90s and how they missed the first ACC round of poaching.  They ended up in the same place but with half the program they once had. If ISU has a better option come around, they can't not take it.

Edited June 30, 2022 by JBJ

[Valmy77 13125]

2 minutes ago, Al_4_ISU said:

Either this works out fine or a whole bunch of people like me quit caring about college football

That is already happening I believe. This is good for the elite schools but is a big blow to the popularity of the sport nationwide.

[hawkfan 60]

2 minutes ago, mdmost said:

 

According to ACC commissioner, Notre Dame is tied to the ACC till 2036

You guys also need to remember that ESPN controls the ACC. So if ESPN doesn't want it to die, they will ensure that it doesn't die. 

You don't think ESPN would rather see Clemson/FSU/UNC/Uva playing in the SEC than the against Wake Forest, Boston College, Duke (football), Etc.?

[ChiTownDoc 21105]

1 hour ago, 'stache said:

Norman to LA. Yeah, it was about competition, lol. You should call into the Sports Animal, every minute of every day some hick is crying about Reilly. He lives rent free in your heads. Get the fuck over it already.

LOL, my pussy?  I should count the OSU posts crying all over about being left behind.  If you don't think Riley was scared of competition, you didn't follow shit...not that I blame you.  And hey, where do you live?  I know exactly how bad it sucks down there and am happy as hell I can split my time between Chicago and Miami.  Earned my way out of that shithole state.  But it's more than just where you live.  Take it from somehow who actually made the money dumbfuck is making and got to choose where he lives.  

[ChiTownDoc 21105]

1 hour ago, TexEx15 said:

I bet he knew about it when he took the job or was involved in it after being hired.

I would agree he was involved after the hire.  I bet he was told and didn't get to block it.  It's a money move, pure and simple.  Going that far east to play 5-6 times a year is a bitch in an era where you can afford to lose only one game and make the playoff.  Hope this speeds up us getting to 8 teams in the playoff.  

[40acredropout 2902]

1 minute ago, ChiTownDoc said:

LOL, my pussy?  I should count the OSU posts crying all over about being left behind.  If you don't think Riley was scared of competition, you didn't follow shit...not that I blame you.  And hey, where do you live?  I know exactly how bad it sucks down there and am happy as hell I can split my time between Chicago and Miami.  Earned my way out of that shithole state.  But it's more than just where you live.  Take it from somehow who actually made the money dumbfuck is making and got to choose where he lives.  

['stache 21778]

4 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

LOL, my pussy?  I should count the OSU posts crying all over about being left behind.  If you don't think Riley was scared of competition, you didn't follow shit...not that I blame you.  And hey, where do you live?  I know exactly how bad it sucks down there and am happy as hell I can split my time between Chicago and Miami.  Earned my way out of that shithole state.  But it's more than just where you live.  Take it from somehow who actually made the money dumbfuck is making and got to choose where he lives.  

You can't make this argument, your highness, without posting a pay stub or tax return summary. Surly rules and all.

[Hiphopopotamos 20865]

 

[ChiTownDoc 21105]

1 minute ago, 'stache said:

You can't make this argument, your highness, without posting a pay stub or tax return summary. Surly rules and all.

Rocco has all those, sadly.  I'm making payments on his 2003 vette.  Anyways, I'm all for USC taking money to tank their chances at winning anything worthwhile.  And I don't know why you hate my ass, I wish nothing but the best for you guys, tech and ISU.  Let's see if this helps - imo it certainly does. 

[The Beast 584]

Everyone should be thanking CDC right about now.

[Francisco 2.0 32347]

12 minutes ago, jetsfan76 said:

First thing I thought. $$$ will somehow be found for OU

It was found months ago, when ESPN acquired the rights to handle all of Oklahoma's Tier 3 content.

 

 

['stache 21778]

Just now, ChiTownDoc said:

Rocco has all those, sadly.  I'm making payments on his 2003 vette.  Anyways, I'm all for USC taking money to tank their chances at winning anything worthwhile.  And I don't know why you hate my ass, I wish nothing but the best for you guys, tech and ISU.  Let's see if this helps - imo it certainly does. 

I made a relatively benign comment about how OU fans are still whining about Riley. You went scorched earth about how poor I am because nobody can apparently have any sort of wealth in Oklahoma. Whose spewing hate again?

[mdmost 42876]

9 minutes ago, hawkfan said:

You don't think ESPN would rather see Clemson/FSU/UNC/Uva playing in the SEC than the against Wake Forest, Boston College, Duke (football), Etc.?

Sure but do they want to pay for it? Especially when they already have both conferences locked in? 

[DFW Horn 6118]

 

[Sbbruin 21782]

28 minutes ago, 40acredropout said:

If Big 10 announced they were expanding to 24 and offered spot to ISU you wouldn't want it?

Yeah, we’re going to get roughed up a bit, but it’ll help recruiting and I think we’ll hold our own eventually.  I don’t like it, but at least we’re in, not out.

[ChiTownDoc 21105]

2 minutes ago, 'stache said:

I made a relatively benign comment about how OU fans are still whining about Riley. You went scorched earth about how poor I am because nobody can apparently have any sort of wealth in Oklahoma. Whose spewing hate again?

No lol - it was about you still living there.  You're not poor unless we have totally different definitions of poor.  Poor is growing up in buttfuck, OK and your parents taking a permanent marker to your pink shoes, slapping you on the ass, and sending you off to school.  Never forget.  Always stay full of piss and vinegar.  

[mdmost 42876]

2 minutes ago, Sbbruin said:

Yeah, we’re going to get roughed up a bit, but it’ll help recruiting and I think we’ll hold our own eventually.  I don’t like it, but at least we’re in, not out.

Some really good basketball for you in the future. 

[hawkfan 60]

1 minute ago, mdmost said:

Sure but do they want to pay for it? Especially when they already have both conferences locked in? 

What choice will they have?  They're going to have to pay the piper eventually.  ND is currently making $20M per year, they'll make $80M-$100M per year in the B1G within two years - they'll have plenty of cash to negotiate a settlement.

There is no way forward for independence at this point, they will either have to join the B1G or the SEC.  Do they fit better with USC/UCLA/Michigan/Northwestern or Alabama/Florida/Georgia/Auburn?  That's the only question that matters at this point.

[YouLoveMyPenises 79]

The logical next eventual step is for the SEC and Big 10 and other big brands to simply merge into a new conference.

 

Nobody cares about competition, it's just the biggest number of eyeballs on the biggest games. Why not just have a conference of OU, Texas, Alabama, Ohio State, Michigan, Florida, Georgia, A&M, LSU, Tennessee, Michigan State, Penn State, Notre Dame, USC, UCLA, Oregon, Washington, Florida State, Clemson, and Miami play each other every week?

 

Ratings Bonanza without having to deal with Baylor or Oklahoma State or Iowa State or Washington State sleepers.

[ChiTownDoc 21105]

2 minutes ago, Sbbruin said:

Yeah, we’re going to get roughed up a bit, but it’ll help recruiting and I think we’ll hold our own eventually.  I don’t like it, but at least we’re in, not out.

You have to like the fact USC basically just ruined any chance at the playoff, in it's current form.  There's no way in hell they're taking that travel schedule on and not losing more than 1 game every regular season.  If we get to 8 teams great, OU will get in enough times and have their shot at those pussies.  

[Horn of Gabriel 1590]

18 minutes ago, Valmy77 said:

That is already happening I believe. This is good for the elite schools but is a big blow to the popularity of the sport nationwide.

Viewership numbers suggest differently.

[GhostOfTomJoad 9308]

USC potentially playing in the Rose Bowl in the future as a B1G team is quite the mind fuck.

And speaking of fuck, here's hoping that these continued maneuverings sticks a red hot poker up Baylor's balloon knot.