Realignment talk not going away

[hawkfan 60]

"Mostly Positive" telling the ACC ADs that they were locked in to being paid $40M-$60M less per year than every school in the SEC or B1G.

 

[bullet 1596]

Not sure if the report got posted on here, but some Big 10 source said Oregon and Washington were told its not their turn at bat.  Notre Dame is up.  And so the B$G $0 is working hard on getting Notre Dame.  After that they will figure out who is next.

 

 

[clapclapclap 9000]

I've been thinking about all that late night travel for USC and UCLA athletes, now that 14 of their 15 opponents will be 2 to 5 hour flights away.  With this new money they could open up athletes only USC-O'Hare & UCLA-Midway campuses and just shuttle in and out of there.

[Vertigo 20274]

5 minutes ago, clapclapclap said:

I've been thinking about all that late night travel for USC and UCLA athletes, now that 14 of their 15 opponents will be 2 to 5 hour flights away.  With this new money they could open up athletes only USC-O'Hare & UCLA-Midway campuses and just shuttle in and out of there.

For the non revenue sports this is going to suck ass. Baseball and basketball will be miserable. They almost have to take two or three more west coast teams. That would reduce the number of shitty cross country trips by half.

[Biggus Duckus 79]

shit, how to embed tweet please

Edited July 2, 2022 by Biggus Duckus

[Biggus Duckus 79]

 

[Valmy77 13150]

1 hour ago, maninblack said:

Dumb. The P12 needs to kill the B12. The 4 remaining join together in a breakaway from the NCAA. Reorganize after that. 

Adding poors just complicates things.

What does the P12 offer that the B12 can't provide for themselves? I don't see any evidence the Pac 12 has the resources to induce any Big 12 schools to leave.

[utee94 15747]

1 minute ago, Valmy77 said:

What does the P12 offer that the B12 can't provide for themselves? I don't see any evidence the Pac 12 has the resources to induce any Big 12 schools to leave.

Exactly.  Neither conference has the strength to raid the other, nor a value proposition for defectors that could make it worth it.

Unless for some reason the B1G actually did take, say, Oregon and Washington (OrSt and Wazzu protests notwithstanding).

Then, there'd be nothing left in the PAC to fight for, and defections of Arizona, ASU, and maybe some other PAC schools to the B12, would become viable.

The viability of defections the opposite direction, from the B12 to the PAC, ended the moment USC and UCLA left. 

[Poolflood 845]

25 minutes ago, Biggus Duckus said:

shit, how to embed tweet please

See below

18 minutes ago, Biggus Duckus said:

 

 

[Valmy77 13150]

1 hour ago, Sbbruin said:

I agree.  Only one of the PAC and B12 can survive.  Have a tournament and the bottom 8 teams are relegated to purgatory 

But a tournament of what sport? Stanford will probably win whatever it is.

[bullet 1596]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

GREG SWAIM

 

@GSwaim

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There are only ten #Pac12 schools left, and told by three different east coast media there will be less before they can even add anyone. Two of the three believe strongly that #Utes, #Buffs, #SunDevils and #BearDown heading to the #Big12, and as soon as this week.

 

 

Blast from the past.  The guy whose tweet started the old Shaggy realignment thread.

Of course, he makes the Dude of WV look credible.  But put it here for entertainment value.

[hawkfan 60]

He's got a whole new tweet storm, might be full of shit, but he's been beating the USC to B1G from for awhile, so even if he's full of shit, the realignment fiction porn is still entertaining.  This one tweet caught my attention though:

One thing that Utah/ASU/CU would have going for them is they Mountain time zone if you're trying to build out the broadest set of options you can from a TV schedule standpoint.  I would think Utah would be greatly preferred by the B1G presidents to ASU for academic reasons (or CU).

Thought the lack of Stanford being mentioned there was interesting.

[Post Oak 20189]

21 minutes ago, bullet said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

GREG SWAIM

 

@GSwaim

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4h

 

There are only ten #Pac12 schools left, and told by three different east coast media there will be less before they can even add anyone. Two of the three believe strongly that #Utes, #Buffs, #SunDevils and #BearDown heading to the #Big12, and as soon as this week.

 

 

Blast from the past.  The guy whose tweet started the old Shaggy realignment thread.

Of course, he makes the Dude of WV look credible.  But put it here for entertainment value.

No more posting for you for a while 

[TX Wing Fan 132]

Feel like we're going to end up with 3 big 20ish school conferences: B10, SEC, and the Big Pac (the 2023 B12 plus the remainder of the Pac12). Big Pac will be a second tier league, but it will be solid and I bet they'll end up getting a playoff spot once expansion happens.

Notre Dame is really the key factor. Like others have said, if Notre Dame goes to the B10 then Stanford probably tags along with them. If they don't end up in the ACC, then I honestly don't see that league surviving as a major football conference, and anticipate that the SEC will raid it's main football schools to keep pace with the B10. Clemson, FSU, and Miami would be the most likely schools in this scenario, with UNC being a possibility (depending how loyal they are to the other Carolina schools). The remaining ACC schools will form a solid basketball league.

Oregon and Washington are the main wild cards. B10 is the most likely landing spot, but I could also see that league passing and thus relegating these schools to the Big Pac. It all depends on what Notre Dame does and how quickly and willing these conferences are to expand (as well as money of course).

[clapclapclap 9000]

Also swaim, a few days before UH was confirmed:

@GSwaim
 
Replying to
@GSwaim
After Tuesday's #Big 12 meeting, #BYU, #Bearcats, #UCF and #BoisesState may well be the four teams invited, as we've mentioned before that Houston and SMU are likely out.

Edited July 2, 2022 by clapclapclap

[RabidM 2664]

Hopefully Baylor finally gets fucked like they've deserved for so long. 

[wild_turkey 3154]

This is bad for college sports, just like Nebraska/Colorado/A&M/Missouri leaving the Big 12 was bad, and Texas/OU leaving the Big 12 is also bad, and NIL and the transfer portal are bad.

We are going to end up with NFL-light and other semi-pro leagues across the major sports, where history and tradition and any pretense of actually caring about the associated universities or rivalries is completely gone.

Oh well, 2005 was a fun year. And as I get older I realize that spending a lot of time and emotional energy on sports is kind of a ridiculous waste of my limited time on Earth. I suspect in 20 years Texas and OU will play in the State Farm Red River Hangout and I’ll be blissfully unaware on a beach in Tahiti.

[Vic Mackey 46960]

37 minutes ago, wild_turkey said:

This is bad for college sports, just like Nebraska/Colorado/A&M/Missouri leaving the Big 12 was bad, and Texas/OU leaving the Big 12 is also bad, and NIL and the transfer portal are bad.

We are going to end up with NFL-light and other semi-pro leagues across the major sports, where history and tradition and any pretense of actually caring about the associated universities or rivalries is completely gone.

Oh well, 2005 was a fun year. And as I get older I realize that spending a lot of time and emotional energy on sports is kind of a ridiculous waste of my limited time on Earth. I suspect in 20 years Texas and OU will play in the State Farm Red River Hangout and I’ll be blissfully unaware on a beach in Tahiti.

Agreed with all of this. To start, what separates college from the pros is the regional based rivalries. While there are rivalries in pro sports, it isn't the same and as entrenched and passionate as college. Once these teams start moving all around, you lose that. Nebraska has zero identity now. No more Nebraska/OU rivalry. Nebraska/Colorado. Texas/Arkansas went away when Arkansas went to the SEC.

And now USC/UCLA going to a midwest conference? Just dumb. College sports as we all knew it is going away. I don't care about the NIL because I am glad these players are finally seeing money. It's all the realignment and mega conferences being built. And college football is becoming stale. A whole season just to see the same teams at the very end. And most the playoff games are blowouts. All SEC national championship games. 

I watch sports for what it is, entertainment. I don't get too emotional any longer as I got older. Much more important things in life than being that invested. I find myself doing other stuff than watching football and sports in general as the years go by.

[Sleep off ugly 279]

This may be the most idiotic idea on this thread, which is saying a lot.

How committed are the horns and ou to the sec? If the big whatever gets Notre Dame, what if we and the land thieves joined? Maybe add in UVA or some other school that gave a shit about schooling. That’s five to six elite traditional powerhouses. Make a west pod with UT, OU, USC, UCLA and Nebraska (just to fuck with them) and that could be some fun fucking football. Add in ND as a “permanent rival” and I’d be down. 
 

I’m know this will never happen and UT would be blamed for ruining something, something integrity but I’m buzzed and a man can dream.

[RabidM 2664]

1 minute ago, Sleep off ugly said:

This may be the most idiotic idea on this thread, which is saying a lot.

How committed are the horns and ou to the sec? If the big whatever gets Notre Dame, what if we and the land thieves joined? Maybe add in UVA or some other school that gave a shit about schooling. That’s five to six elite traditional powerhouses. Make a west pod with UT, OU, USC, UCLA and Nebraska (just to fuck with them) and that could be some fun fucking football. Add in ND as a “permanent rival” and I’d be down. 
 

I’m know this will never happen and UT would be blamed for ruining something, something integrity but I’m buzzed and a man can dream.

The B10 had no interest in OU, even though they wanted us.  Things might be different now, but we're pretty committed to the SEC at this point.  I wonder if aggy might just be mad enough about us joining the SEC to jump ship... nah.   

['stache 21778]

2 hours ago, bullet said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

GREG SWAIM

 

@GSwaim

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4h

 

There are only ten #Pac12 schools left, and told by three different east coast media there will be less before they can even add anyone. Two of the three believe strongly that #Utes, #Buffs, #SunDevils and #BearDown heading to the #Big12, and as soon as this week.

 

 

Blast from the past.  The guy whose tweet started the old Shaggy realignment thread.

Of course, he makes the Dude of WV look credible.  But put it here for entertainment value.

I don’t think I’ve ever negged on surly but anyone who quotes Greg Swaim deserves it, he’s the biggest moron associated with ok state ever.

[Gidnik 3251]

2 hours ago, bullet said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

GREG SWAIM

 

@GSwaim

·

4h

 

There are only ten #Pac12 schools left, and told by three different east coast media there will be less before they can even add anyone. Two of the three believe strongly that #Utes, #Buffs, #SunDevils and #BearDown heading to the #Big12, and as soon as this week.

 

 

Blast from the past.  The guy whose tweet started the old Shaggy realignment thread.

Of course, he makes the Dude of WV look credible.  But put it here for entertainment value.

You fucking asvab waiver 

[DCLonghorn 244]

12 hours ago, Al_4_ISU said:

Cal and Stanford have awful fan support. Oregon and Stanford have smaller stadiums than half the new Big 12

I'm not sure stadium size is relevant. B1G just accepted a team that doesn't have a stadium.  

[immamac 42580]

2 hours ago, wild_turkey said:

This is bad for college sports, just like Nebraska/Colorado/A&M/Missouri leaving the Big 12 was bad, and Texas/OU leaving the Big 12 is also bad, and NIL and the transfer portal are bad.

We are going to end up with NFL-light and other semi-pro leagues across the major sports, where history and tradition and any pretense of actually caring about the associated universities or rivalries is completely gone.

Oh well, 2005 was a fun year. And as I get older I realize that spending a lot of time and emotional energy on sports is kind of a ridiculous waste of my limited time on Earth. I suspect in 20 years Texas and OU will play in the State Farm Red River Hangout and I’ll be blissfully unaware on a beach in Tahiti.

Negged. College football is going to get reigned in as something people can follow and be involved with. Like Horns With Heart. This is how you get everyone to pay players and be open about it with NIL to do good things. The conference sets the rules for caps and rev share and whatnot. 

1 hour ago, Vic Mackey said:

Agreed with all of this. To start, what separates college from the pros is the regional based rivalries. While there are rivalries in pro sports, it isn't the same and as entrenched and passionate as college. Once these teams start moving all around, you lose that. Nebraska has zero identity now. No more Nebraska/OU rivalry. Nebraska/Colorado. Texas/Arkansas went away when Arkansas went to the SEC.

And now USC/UCLA going to a midwest conference? Just dumb. College sports as we all knew it is going away. I don't care about the NIL because I am glad these players are finally seeing money. It's all the realignment and mega conferences being built. And college football is becoming stale. A whole season just to see the same teams at the very end. And most the playoff games are blowouts. All SEC national championship games. 

I watch sports for what it is, entertainment. I don't get too emotional any longer as I got older. Much more important things in life than being that invested. I find myself doing other stuff than watching football and sports in general as the years go by.

Imagine a cool bowl game in the middle of a season on the other side of the country. That's when regional styles generally collide, they can essentially manufacture that a bunch of times a season. Entertaining these new fanbases at DKR is gonna be so much more fun. Imagine the surly tailgates. Going to be fun ass times. 

[SL Xpress 7505]

1 hour ago, Vic Mackey said:

Agreed with all of this. To start, what separates college from the pros is the regional based rivalries. While there are rivalries in pro sports, it isn't the same and as entrenched and passionate as college. Once these teams start moving all around, you lose that. Nebraska has zero identity now. No more Nebraska/OU rivalry. Nebraska/Colorado. Texas/Arkansas went away when Arkansas went to the SEC.

And now USC/UCLA going to a midwest conference? Just dumb. College sports as we all knew it is going away. I don't care about the NIL because I am glad these players are finally seeing money. It's all the realignment and mega conferences being built. And college football is becoming stale. A whole season just to see the same teams at the very end. And most the playoff games are blowouts. All SEC national championship games. 

I watch sports for what it is, entertainment. I don't get too emotional any longer as I got older. Much more important things in life than being that invested. I find myself doing other stuff than watching football and sports in general as the years go by.

There was never a rivalry with Arkansas other than in the 60s, except on their end. At least in football. There was one in basketball that stretched from Abe Lemons/Tom Penders and Eddie Sutton/Nolan Richardson, but not one in football. 

I guess if it gets repeated enough we’re going to convince a younger generation that older Texas fans gave a shit about the Razorbacks in football, but it still won’t be true. 

As to the rest of the post, all of this was inevitable once the 1984 case involving OU/GA versus the NCAA in front of the Supreme Court struck down the NCAA’s ability to negotiate TV contract, through which they tamped down revenue and exposure for the biggest programs. When conferences were allowed to negotiate their own deals, and then the money hit the stratosphere because of the need for live programming to mitigate viewers skipping advertisements, what we’re seeing is the ultimate result. Add in the additional budget pressures of manufacturing a payroll of tens of millions of dollars to the student athletes through NIL, and of course we were going to see this kind of coalescence. 

It’s funny. The NCAA gets all kinds of grief, but they’ve held the tide back to preserve amateur athletics the best they could. By losing court case after court case, it’s become untenable. And every step of the way you can read the judges’ thoughts, and how dismissive they were in each case regarding the impact their decisions would have on college sports versus the doomsaying of the NCAA attorneys, when in matter of fact the NCAA had it right. 

Ah well. At least Texas is well positioned to benefit from all of it. 

[SL Xpress 7505]

17 minutes ago, immamac said:

Negged. College football is going to get reigned in as something people can follow and be involved with. Like Horns With Heart. This is how you get everyone to pay players and be open about it with NIL to do good things. The conference sets the rules for caps and rev share and whatnot. 

Imagine a cool bowl game in the middle of a season on the other side of the country. That's when regional styles generally collide, they can essentially manufacture that a bunch of times a season. Entertaining these new fanbases at DKR is gonna be so much more fun. Imagine the surly tailgates. Going to be fun ass times. 

There’s no realistic way to set NIL caps without Congressional legislation. There can be caps on direct pay to student athletes for the colleges themselves, but that will always have to be the same across the board among all participating athletes, and the same market pressures which made under the table payments so compelling, and provide the difference in NIL payments today will still be at work.

What will be incredibly compelling will be the new 16 team playoff format that’s dominated by the SEC and B1G and whomever they determine can be eligible for a smaller piece of the pie.  

[Gidnik 3251]

[closetohumping 17410]

18 hours ago, The Hot Dog Buffet said:

Seems like we get about 10 years of stability every time things get shaken up. We're going to have a new Big 12 with a few extra Pac schools (I truly believe Stanford and Cal won't allow the poaching to work in the other direction) and the ACC will stick around until their GOR expires. Give teams a couple of extra years to move, and best case is 2040 before college football is a minor league NFL affiliate that nobody cares about.

They seemed to be ok with utah and Colorado joining.  They would’ve accepted us and aggy back in the day as well

hell I’d like to blame some of this on deloss dodds 

[LTbear 4161]

[Bateshorn 9908]

11 hours ago, clapclapclap said:

I've been thinking about all that late night travel for USC and UCLA athletes, now that 14 of their 15 opponents will be 2 to 5 hour flights away.  With this new money they could open up athletes only USC-O'Hare & UCLA-Midway campuses and just shuttle in and out of there.

This is why I don’t entirely buy the “no conversations with Oregon and Washington” line from B1G.  I think they are contingent on ND, but bringing Stanford, UO, and Washington in gives you a west coast Pod to work with.  The question is whether you can cleave Stanford free of Berkeley. 

[Gidnik 3251]

https://tarheelswire.usatoday.com/2022/07/01/unc-could-draw-interest-from-sec-realignment/
 

 
 

 

[LTbear 4161]

15 minutes ago, Bateshorn said:

  The question is whether you can cleave Stanford free of Berkeley. 

Stanford is by no means tied to Berkeley in any meaningful way. Stanford is also just the oddest duck in this scenario, as they're the one team I could see saying "thanks but no thanks" and going semi-independent.

[South Austin 52180]

35 minutes ago, LTbear said:

One of my favorite Big 12 road trips was to Boulder in 2004. I didn’t want Colorado to leave the conference, but they fucked around and found out.

[LTbear 4161]

13 minutes ago, South Austin said:

One of my favorite Big 12 road trips was to Boulder in 2004. I didn’t want Colorado to leave the conference, but they fucked around and found out.

Oh Boulder was definitely the top travel destination of the original Big XII. I loved my couple of years there. Luckily I did just enough to get a degree out of it.

Edited July 2, 2022 by LTbear

[DFW Horn 6118]

Let's check in on our "connected" WVU contingent. 😏

 

[Texas Wahoo 3383]

41 minutes ago, Gidnik said:

https://tarheelswire.usatoday.com/2022/07/01/unc-could-draw-interest-from-sec-realignment/
 

 
 

 

I’m in for UVA and UNC joining the SEC. 

[hawkfan 60]

UNC/UVA will almost have to go to the SEC, unless the B1G is willing to go beyond 20.

They're interesting because they're a better academic fit in the B1G, but a better cultural fit in the SEC.  Could be two where the Board of Regents/Academic side push for B1G, but athletic department and boosters all want SEC.

[nd2003 23]

The lack of any statement from ND is really surprising me. Our admin usually jump out and says something.

 

Jack Swarbrick favorite retort is we're monitoring the landscape. 

[SimonBolivar 10949]

27 minutes ago, Texas Wahoo said:

I’m in for UVA and UNC joining the SEC. 

It would certainly add to the academic prestige of the conference.

[Bateshorn 9908]

1 hour ago, LTbear said:

Stanford is by no means tied to Berkeley in any meaningful way. Stanford is also just the oddest duck in this scenario, as they're the one team I could see saying "thanks but no thanks" and going semi-independent.

Yeah. Tree definitely gives no fucks. 

[XOVERX 5]

8 hours ago, SL Xpress said:

There was never a rivalry with Arkansas other than in the 60s, except on their end. At least in football. There was one in basketball that stretched from Abe Lemons/Tom Penders and Eddie Sutton/Nolan Richardson, but not one in football. 

I guess if it gets repeated enough we’re going to convince a younger generation that older Texas fans gave a shit about the Razorbacks in football, but it still won’t be true. 

As to the rest of the post, all of this was inevitable once the 1984 case involving OU/GA versus the NCAA in front of the Supreme Court struck down the NCAA’s ability to negotiate TV contract, through which they tamped down revenue and exposure for the biggest programs. When conferences were allowed to negotiate their own deals, and then the money hit the stratosphere because of the need for live programming to mitigate viewers skipping advertisements, what we’re seeing is the ultimate result. Add in the additional budget pressures of manufacturing a payroll of tens of millions of dollars to the student athletes through NIL, and of course we were going to see this kind of coalescence. 

It’s funny. The NCAA gets all kinds of grief, but they’ve held the tide back to preserve amateur athletics the best they could. By losing court case after court case, it’s become untenable. And every step of the way you can read the judges’ thoughts, and how dismissive they were in each case regarding the impact their decisions would have on college sports versus the doomsaying of the NCAA attorneys, when in matter of fact the NCAA had it right. 

Ah well. At least Texas is well positioned to benefit from all of it. 

There was definitely a UT/AR rivalry in the 60s. From there I disagree with your analysis to the extent that once a “rivalry” is established in a person’s mind, it never goes away. It is eternally “legitimate “.

The 60s were powerful in the mind, for sure. When you watch Texas lose a NC to AR earlier in the 60s, then turn on the fuzzy B&W console TV to see AR on the pinnacle of defeating Texas again … until Street to Pueschel turns the game - yeah, that’s pretty powerful in the mind, for sure.

Hell, I loved the last play victory over AR in the 80s, lol. Warm and fuzzy.

Young folks may not perceive UT/AR to be a rivalry now, but I can assure you that after last years butt-stomping by AR, a lot of young folks want a pig take-down. Thus are rivalries rekindled and/or established.

The SEC is perfect for Texas: OU, AR, aggy. I place piggy at #2, lol, not aggy. Then the rest.

It appears the SEC is watching the shakeout of ND, the B1G, and the ACC as the SEC considers its next move. 20 appears to be inevitable. 24 is also possible.

Anyhow, hope you’re well.

[PittsburghTiger 6154]

I'd be all for the SEC planting a flag in Pittsburgh and taking Pitt.

It could take some of the sting away from Robert E. Lee's ill-fated foray a bit east at Gettysburg

[statsman 5428]

The Burton podcast with Maisel clarified why it was USC and UCLA, not USC and Oregon or UW. USC and UCLA give the kill shot to the PAC.  In the past, a huge part of the PAC attraction was playing games in Southern California and recruiting LA. Now, the B10 owns all that. 
 
PAC needs to sign SDSU before some other smart conference does. 

Edited July 2, 2022 by statsman

[CooterBrown 17946]

The lack of any statement from ND is really surprising me. Our admin usually jump out and says something.
 
Jack Swarbrick favorite retort is we're monitoring the landscape. 

That’s usually a sign that something is happening.

[Valmy77 13150]

1 hour ago, PittsburghTiger said:

I'd be all for the SEC planting a flag in Pittsburgh and taking Pitt.

It could take some of the sting away from Robert E. Lee's ill-fated foray a bit east at Gettysburg

Only if you an convince the Steelers to join along with you.

[Dnaguy 11782]

1 hour ago, Texas Wahoo said:

I’m in for UVA and UNC joining the SEC. 

 

55 minutes ago, SimonBolivar said:

It would certainly add to the academic prestige of the conference.

The GOR makes expansion of the SEC into the ACC more difficult but I think if ND leaves then the GOR thing blows up. It’ll be tested and I just don’t think it holds up. 

B1G gets to 20, 1st. Just having 2 LA schools isn’t sustainable. They are waiting on ND. And when they join, Stanford + OU and Washington also join.

CLemson and FSU go SEC. SEC goes full court press on UNC and UVA but will likely lose out on them to BiG10. They take NC state VaTech second pickings.

Syracuse might, MIGHT have a shot at B1G. Which the BIG would then either pick up a former PAC12 school. Maybe Cal? Maybe Utah? maybe Colorado? Or maybe they 

ACC temas Pitt, Miami, Louisville, Ga Tech / Syracuse all go Big12. BC left in cold. Wake Forest left in cold.

Utah, Arizona schools, and whoever doesn’t join Big 10 go to Big12. 
I guess that’s unless the SEC gets super salty and takes Arizona schools + Utah and Colorado to be a ‘national conference’ too.

[SL Xpress 7505]

1 hour ago, XOVERX said:

There was definitely a UT/AR rivalry in the 60s. From there I disagree with your analysis to the extent that once a “rivalry” is established in a person’s mind, it never goes away. It is eternally “legitimate “.

The 60s were powerful in the mind, for sure. When you watch Texas lose a NC to AR earlier in the 60s, then turn on the fuzzy B&W console TV to see AR on the pinnacle of defeating Texas again … until Street to Pueschel turns the game - yeah, that’s pretty powerful in the mind, for sure.

Hell, I loved the last play victory over AR in the 80s, lol. Warm and fuzzy.

Young folks may not perceive UT/AR to be a rivalry now, but I can assure you that after last years butt-stomping by AR, a lot of young folks want a pig take-down. Thus are rivalries rekindled and/or established.

The SEC is perfect for Texas: OU, AR, aggy. I place piggy at #2, lol, not aggy. Then the rest.

It appears the SEC is watching the shakeout of ND, the B1G, and the ACC as the SEC considers its next move. 20 appears to be inevitable. 24 is also possible.

Anyhow, hope you’re well.

I hope you’re well, too. Without Arkansas being a dominant force there was nothing to it. Arkansas faded from national relevance after those heady days. It’s like saying UT-SMU had a rivalry due to the Pony Express days, or UH-Texas have a rivalry because of the run and shoot and the 1990 game. Not quite the same thing, I’d agree, but similar enough. 

The Arkansas-Texas series can be characterized by two things. UT’s overall complete dominance, and Arkansas fans’ complete obsession. During the 70s and 80s one of the biggest problems with the game is that it was always played right after OU, which really was a rivalry game. The team would go into Fayetteville and tend to be woefully ill prepared for how jacked up the Razorback players and fans were to be playing hated UT. And yet they still routinely came out victorious. 

There was never any real build up on the Texas side prior to the Arkansas matchup. But there’s a blood lust frenzy on the Arkansas side before every gridiron tilt. That’s not a rivalry. It’s a narrative being forced because of the games in the 1960s, Mack Brown fubaring the schedule and misunderstanding the nature of the series, and this nostalgic glow for when Texas was nationally relevant on a consistent basis. But when it comes to being on campus in the 70s and 80s, nobody gave that much of a shit any time Arkansas rolled into town any more so than the other conference foes. Most years even less because while consistently a solid team, they weren’t as talented or as good as some of the other opponents Texas would face in the SWC. 

The so called rivalry is being made up. And you’re doing it here, too, when you know better. Heck, look forward to it all you want. That’s your prerogative. Arkansas and the rest of the SEC certainly represents more compelling opponents than the Big 12 members. Of that there’s no argument. But when we talk about the storied Texas Arkansas football rivalry, we’re engaged in myth making, not a reflection of reality. 

That said, the pass to Tony Jones to break their hearts holds a special place for me, too. The first time Texas won on literally the last play of the game, although the UCLA game to keep the winning streak alive came close (there was a subsequent kickoff). I wish it had boded better for David McWilliams’ career, but alas. Ken Hatfield never did live that game down in Fayetteville. 

[MrBig 5293]

The Big Ten can have Notre Dame. They suck dick when it comes to winning big games. They gave the ACC blue balls by using them for other sports but still remaining “independent” in football. Going into business with someone so non-committal usually ends up being a huge mistake. 

The Big Ten can have ND so they can continue their rivalries with USC and Michigan. I don’t want to hear Mike Golic + Jr. gargling ND’s balls and coming up for air with a gold ring around their mouths every fucking week in the SEC. 

 

[Thiefery 4974]

4 minutes ago, MrBig said:

The Big Ten can have Notre Dame. They suck dick when it comes to winning big games. They gave the ACC blue balls by using them for other sports but still remaining “independent” in football. Going into business with someone so non-committal usually ends up being a huge mistake. 

The Big Ten can have ND so they can continue their rivalries with USC and Michigan. I don’t want to hear Mike Golic + Jr. gargling ND’s balls and coming up for air with a gold ring around their mouths every fucking week in the SEC. 

 

so the leprechauns pissed in your bowl of cheerios today sir?

[Domedriver 655]

5 minutes ago, Thiefery said:

so the leprechauns pissed in your bowl of cheerios today sir?

ND has pissed in our Cheerios way too many times!  I have huge historic hate for the fucking Irish!  Fuck them!